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Athenathefabulous
03-24-2010, 01:12 PM
girls actually say that? Wow. that is ridonculous.

Kylea2
03-24-2010, 04:08 PM
Those things do happen in Austin occasionally.

But in Houston one will regularly hear such gems as "cover me, I'm 'bout to go suck some dick."

Or...finding used condoms in seat cushions, not an unusual occurrence either.

Well, at least they are trying to cover it. Have you ever worked in FL? OMG, it's not even just "high mileage" out there - its full on extras and management pretty much expects it.

Still though, extras and other such services shouldn't be occurring in the club/solicited from the club - etc.

KS_Stevia
03-24-2010, 04:18 PM
Its possible to do ok in Houston without performing extras, although you'll have a lot of trouble selling much of anything without two-way contact.

rihannsu
03-24-2010, 10:59 PM
Eh austin is not totally safe. re: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=139423

but i guess a girl getting her pussy rubbed on the floor is mild compared to what happens in houston.

Oh, God- you have got to be kidding me!

*Iris*
03-25-2010, 12:11 AM
Houston will be perfect for you. At least from what I hear about Houston.

Although extras happen everywhere even in the places you least expect it. Some places/dancers are more discreet than others.

I thought SA and Austin were bad with not being so discreet on extras until I came to Dallas. Not sure if it has cleaned up a lot since the background checks though. From what I've read most have gone to Forth Worth (not sure if true I read it on eraps).

la petite sexy
03-25-2010, 08:59 AM
its Called the sex industry for a reason!
maybe its you who should find another profession..



WHAAAAaaaaa??!!!!

I'm such a lurker and have read a ton of posts and threads that I wanted to comment on and ended up choosing to spectate but this...

OMFGoodness! I'm so angry I can't type straight! Who are you to tell someone they need to find another profession because they're not willing to whore themselves out in the club? If we wanted to escort or prostitute that's what we would do. Strippers/Exotic DANCERS are suppose to sell allure, sensuality, and fantasy not sex itself!

Don't sugar coat what you do by calling yourself "extra's girls" in order to make yourself feel better about what you're doing. Call it what it is, market it that way and make you're money...outside of the club. If you're already doing that then why do you feel the need to do it in the club as well? Lose the entitlement attitudes! It is not all about you!

It's funny. I logged on to see about finding another place close by to work for awhile b/c I'm getting burned out and this is the first thread I read. I'm exhausted, grossed out, offended, frustrated, and unhappy because of work conditions here. I'm tired of being the stripper that has it together but scrapes by b/c that club is all about who does the most (i.e. handjobs) in the back, of being patted on the back and told "Thanks honey, that was nice.", or "I respect your boundaries but I'm looking to have a little more fun. I was kinda disappointed back there. I'm gonna go with her.", or overhearing the managers talk shit about you b/c you only did x amount of dances in said extra's ridden club etc.

Dancing use to be fun. It's definately not fun anymore (in a lot of cities) and it's because of girls like you >:(

rubyredlipsss
03-25-2010, 10:24 AM
yeah i'm in la too and there aren't a lot of clean clubs. you can still make money as a clean dancer, but it's much harder and a lot come in asking up front for extras, even before the dance and if you reply no or even without answering but hustling him, he won't go without knowing directly.

lilmisssunshine
03-25-2010, 11:24 PM
Isn't it funny how the OP and the girls that defended her have now STFU. They have absolutely no rebuttal to this.

Nope haven't STFU. Just have a life and don't come to stripperweb every damn day to argue with others who haven't figured out how to earn enough money to move forward with their own lives. No rebuttal necessary. What I said is what I said and I stand by it. Sure escorting outside the club is preferable and in my opinion much better, but when in a city like Houston where extras are the norm inside the club, it's makes no difference whether you take the client elsewhere. I live in Austin now, and although I am out of the business now, if I were to do extras here, I wouldn't do them in the club. It's not the norm here.

When in Rome...

I don't see how you can trash a girl or any girl for going with the norm. It's a competitive business. If you are not willing to step up your game and do what others do, then you should find a city/niche where you belong. But I don't see how you can hate on another girl for trying to make her own money.

The rest of the women in the world hate strippers and think all of us are trashy whores. Food for thought.

J.D.
03-26-2010, 12:25 AM
Not worth arguing with idiots.... deleted.

NREXM
03-26-2010, 05:43 PM
JD, if I was giving hand jobs on a daily basis to each and every customer of mine then I'd walk out of the club every single day with more than $3,000 in my pocket (because I already walk out with at least $1,000 as a non-extras girl). That's half a million dollars a year (based on four days of work). Keep telling yourself that extra's girls are selling themselves short. Do you make half a million annually?

Oh and I'm sorry I don't post here everyday. I'm too busy making that "fake money" by giving hand jobs while you sit here in front of your computer making nothing.

pinupgurl2k6
03-26-2010, 05:49 PM
If one is willing to go the extra mile why not just go to Nevada? I wouldn't jump off a building or bridge, snort coke or shoot up heroin due to the "when in Rome"
philosophy. I am not going to condone, rhetoric with the statement "when in Rome" either.

Sociology is alive and well in the 21st century and one mentioned, people think "strippers are trashy whores", In my silly college educated opinion, personally that is an achieved status, one never starts out at that level, it is an obtained title and to some it is their inner self speaking when chastising others for not accepting their norm and being okay with how they have rationalised this to themselves.

I wonder what academia says about extras, one is technically escorting inside a club, so for amusement.

Studies show, independent escorts differ in socio economic status – as measured by their father’s occupation – to those working in massage parlours, strip clubs or on the street. This is further reflected in the average level of academic achievement. Indeed, many women were eager to emphasise this point in emails sent to me independently of the questionnaire.

As one escort wrote, “I certainly think that the sex trade is very much portrayed as a very seedy scene always.. Even though you will find most independent girls are very well to do and intelligent”.

Another believed that these differences extend beyond socioeconomic
status and approved of the current project because “[I was] not tarring escorts with the same brush as street workers, on the whole, [they] are very different types, and do this job for very different reasons”.

Escorts were very enthusiastic about explaining this point to an outsider and some sent very long emails articulating their views.

As one wrote “we are respectable working girls… ladies who do not do drugs,
and behave badly in public. Would it surprise you to know that when I leave my flat, I call in at the supermarket and go home and make tea for my children? That I cook, bake and clean my house in the same way as ‘respectable women’... that I teach my children the difference between right and wrong?... the problem we have as sex workers is that there is a deep misunderstanding of the mode in which we work and how society perceives what we do”.

So why is it so different for strippers? We all come from different backgrounds and socio-economic status. Why we are working in this field has no bearing one way or another but having a safe working environment makes it more comfortable to practices ones art of seduction and many women I know have personal relationships outside the club and rather lucratively fiscal relationships at that.

When in Rome is a pathetic excuse it is one's personal judgement that takes a simple lap dance or private session to the next level and it is all dependant on that person. I would say "Birds of a feather flock together" and "If you lay down with dogs one gets fleas, or is it STD's.." (Shrug)

Have a happy evening :)

J.D.
03-26-2010, 06:24 PM
JD, if I was giving hand jobs on a daily basis to each and every customer of mine then I'd walk out of the club every single day with more than $3,000 in my pocket (because I already walk out with at least $1,000 as a non-extras girl). That's half a million dollars a year (based on four days of work). Keep telling yourself that extra's girls are selling themselves short. Do you make half a million annually?

Oh and I'm sorry I don't post here everyday. I'm too busy making that "fake money" by giving hand jobs while you sit here in front of your computer making nothing.

I sit in front of my computer emailing people and making phone calls, working, setting appointments, making money, FYI.

Look, all I'm saying is that you can make even more money by getting into other businesses, and using dancing as a means for networking. Do what you want though, honestly I could care less. :D I'm just happy I've never had to resort to giving hand jobs in the strip club, LOL.

J.D.
03-26-2010, 06:28 PM
JD, if I was giving hand jobs on a daily basis to each and every customer of mine then I'd walk out of the club every single day with more than $3,000 in my pocket (because I already walk out with at least $1,000 as a non-extras girl). That's half a million dollars a year (based on four days of work). Keep telling yourself that extra's girls are selling themselves short. Do you make half a million annually?

Oh and I'm sorry I don't post here everyday. I'm too busy making that "fake money" by giving hand jobs while you sit here in front of your computer making nothing.

How many hours are you working each night? Keep lying to yourself, LOL. ::)

Sell that to the pawn shop, because nobody's buying it!

NREXM
03-26-2010, 06:57 PM
I don't know how you can sit there and insult me when you openly rip guys off. If you knew anything about selling you'd know that ripping someone off, regardless of their request, is horrible for business. Why not turn them down politely and be on your way instead of making everyone unhappy?

I work about six to seven hours a night. There is no way to prove this online and neither is there a way to prove that you make more than extra's girls, so we're basically fighting about nothing. If you want to continue arguing with me then fine, waste your time. As for me, I'm going to go to work and bring home another G.

NREXM
03-26-2010, 06:59 PM
Eventually I'll pursue other business ideas but for now I'm completely content with just dancing.

J.D.
03-26-2010, 07:01 PM
I don't know how you can sit there and insult me when you openly rip guys off. If you knew anything about selling you'd know that ripping someone off, regardless of their request, is horrible for business. Why not turn them down politely and be on your way instead of making everyone unhappy?

I work about six to seven hours a night. There is no way to prove this online and neither is there a way to prove that you make more than extra's girls, so we're basically fighting about nothing. If you want to continue arguing with me then fine, waste your time. As for me, I'm going to go to work and bring home another G.

Why not work in a jack shack or for an escort agency if you are going to give hand jobs instead of making all the clean dancers unhappy?

Have fun at work, don't forget your hand sanitizer and condoms! :D

NREXM
03-26-2010, 07:05 PM
You're only unhappy because you don't mind your own business and you let such trivial things get to you. I know girls that offer full service for $100/hour in the club. It's cool though, I'm still making money regardless so I have no reason to complain.

pinupgurl2k6
03-26-2010, 07:07 PM
I would think if you make 1k to 3k a night you could easily make 10k a night escorting and doing the same thing, never even upping the mileage from a simple hand job. It just makes sense to me, to go full on and have fun then worry about going to jail or just a simple example. In Michigan, North of Detroit, you would be seriously hurt and I mean physically. I don't know how it is in Texas because I have not ventured there. ::)

Eventually I'll pursue other business ideas but for now I'm completely content with just dancing.

pinupgurl2k6
03-26-2010, 07:09 PM
It's not cool, 100 bucks even screws up the money for escorts. Like the Dr, I met last night said "I got to fuck her in the mouth, ass and vagina for 40 bucks, I make close to 2 million a year". $40.00 bucks and more than full service from a Gate Agent at DTW. This World has lost its mother file system checking mind..



You're only unhappy because you don't mind your own business and you let such trivial things get to you. I know girls that offer full service for $100/hour in the club. It's cool though, I'm still making money regardless so I have no reason to complain.

NREXM
03-26-2010, 07:12 PM
I know for a fact that I could easily charge upwards to 5k for full service but it's just something I'm not quite comfortable with yet. I've considered doing escorting but it's hard to find agencies that only offer things within my boundary limit. I've done OTC things with customers for high amounts of money but that's not a norm and definitely not something I could consistently rely on.

Prostitution is prostitution whether it is in the club or in a hotel. I'd go to jail either way.

J.D.
03-26-2010, 07:12 PM
You're only unhappy because you don't mind your own business and you let such trivial things get to you. I know girls that offer full service for $100/hour in the club. It's cool though, I'm still making money regardless so I have no reason to complain.

I'm very happy, trust me. I make more money than you and I don't have to even consider giving hand jobs.

It's entertaining to me that you continue to defend yourself, when the truth is, prostitution inside the club is ILLEGAL and is detrimental to the strip club business model as a whole.

I'm stepping out now....

NREXM
03-26-2010, 07:17 PM
There will always be girls that will sell themselves short but that doesn't mean that I should allow it to fuck up my business. I simple step up my game on selling. The girl next to me may be selling blow jobs for $20 a song while my clean dances are $40. It has never stopped me from finding those customers willing to pay me more for less. If you're good at persuasion then competing against this will not be a problem. Sure there will always be those customers looking for the most for their buck but there are so many customers out there to choose from; simply ignore them and move along.

NREXM
03-26-2010, 07:24 PM
If you make more money than me then why did you accuse me of lying? Being the ultra money maker that you are, you should know that it's possible for girls to be making that a night considering you do it regularly; right?

This whole argument is basically about pride and "oh I'm so much better than you," isn't it?

J.D.
03-26-2010, 07:38 PM
If you make more money than me then why did you accuse me of lying? Being the ultra money maker that you are, you should know that it's possible for girls to be making that a night considering you do it regularly; right?

This whole argument is basically about pride and "oh I'm so much better than you," isn't it?

Because I don't make 1K a night every night in the strip club. The most I ever made in one night was 8K cashed out, 10K in funny money. I meet guys in the strip club and broker deals in other ways though, that's where I make big money, but this is something new, and it took 5 years of dancing to realize that there are bigger avenues to money out there, and being an attractive woman can make you money on a much bigger scale than strip club money. Yes, 1K a night is good, but you can be making SOOOO much more than that. I am working right now with an investment banking firm, and they are offering me a set commission, as well as a 3% equity ownership of each project that I bring investors into. Guess who my investors are? Old regular customers.

So yeah, I do kind of get irritated to hear girls brag about making SOOO much money by being a "slightly" dirty dancer, only for the right price. To me, that is selling yourself short. That amount is laughable compared to what is out there. It's like hearing a Denny's waitress brag about making $100 a night! That's something that we would laugh about, right? So imagine how I feel, being that I have been a dancer for five years, and am now getting into a much bigger game, and hearing dirty dancers brag about making sooo much more money..... I just kind of feel sorry for them.

la petite sexy
03-28-2010, 11:06 AM
*sigh*
This thread makes me sad...

rubyredlipsss
03-28-2010, 04:08 PM
me too...i wish i could just 'i dream of jeannie' the extra girls into the small little bottle and throw it far far into the ocean. and btw i'm sure her 40 dollar clean dances are reaaaal clean ::)

Athenathefabulous
03-28-2010, 06:20 PM
me too...i wish i could just 'i dream of jeannie' the extra girls into the small little bottle and throw it far far into the ocean.

well we cant do that, so i guess we will have to settle for encouraging them all to go to houston :P.

rubyredlipsss
03-28-2010, 06:22 PM
yeah, it'd be a major influx of la girls slapped right into houston! and it would make life so much easier.

dtxgirl
03-28-2010, 08:26 PM
*sigh*
This thread makes me sad...

Me too. It's kinda like fighting about the separation of church and state.

la petite sexy
03-28-2010, 08:34 PM
Me too. It's kinda like fighting about the separation of church and state.

lol! I dunno why that made me laugh.


yeah, it'd be a major influx of la girls slapped right into houston! and it would make life so much easier.

gawd yes!

lilmisssunshine
03-28-2010, 11:35 PM
Not worth arguing with idiots.... deleted.

Ditto...I totally agree.

lilmisssunshine
03-28-2010, 11:47 PM
If one is willing to go the extra mile why not just go to Nevada? I wouldn't jump off a building or bridge, snort coke or shoot up heroin due to the "when in Rome"
philosophy. I am not going to condone, rhetoric with the statement "when in Rome" either.

Sociology is alive and well in the 21st century and one mentioned, people think "strippers are trashy whores", In my silly college educated opinion, personally that is an achieved status, one never starts out at that level, it is an obtained title and to some it is their inner self speaking when chastising others for not accepting their norm and being okay with how they have rationalised this to themselves.

I wonder what academia says about extras, one is technically escorting inside a club, so for amusement.

Studies show, independent escorts differ in socio economic status – as measured by their father’s occupation – to those working in massage parlours, strip clubs or on the street. This is further reflected in the average level of academic achievement. Indeed, many women were eager to emphasise this point in emails sent to me independently of the questionnaire.

As one escort wrote, “I certainly think that the sex trade is very much portrayed as a very seedy scene always.. Even though you will find most independent girls are very well to do and intelligent”.

Another believed that these differences extend beyond socioeconomic
status and approved of the current project because “[I was] not tarring escorts with the same brush as street workers, on the whole, [they] are very different types, and do this job for very different reasons”.

Escorts were very enthusiastic about explaining this point to an outsider and some sent very long emails articulating their views.

As one wrote “we are respectable working girls… ladies who do not do drugs,
and behave badly in public. Would it surprise you to know that when I leave my flat, I call in at the supermarket and go home and make tea for my children? That I cook, bake and clean my house in the same way as ‘respectable women’... that I teach my children the difference between right and wrong?... the problem we have as sex workers is that there is a deep misunderstanding of the mode in which we work and how society perceives what we do”.

So why is it so different for strippers? We all come from different backgrounds and socio-economic status. Why we are working in this field has no bearing one way or another but having a safe working environment makes it more comfortable to practices ones art of seduction and many women I know have personal relationships outside the club and rather lucratively fiscal relationships at that.

When in Rome is a pathetic excuse it is one's personal judgement that takes a simple lap dance or private session to the next level and it is all dependant on that person. I would say "Birds of a feather flock together" and "If you lay down with dogs one gets fleas, or is it STD's.." (Shrug)

Have a happy evening :)

Because you have obviously never worked in Houston. If you read what I said, I said escorting IS better outside the club PERIOD. However it IS the norm in Houston to do extras in the club, therefore all this bs about hurting the business of clean dancers is a moot point in Houston. Don't think you understand what I am saying at all. I didn't say we should all do extras in Houston cause everybody is doing them, thus "when in rome". I was saying that if one chooses to do so, I don't see how you can hate or think you are better than that person because it IS the norm "when in rome". Try working in Houston and you will see what I mean.

And hating on someone else and calling them lazy and what not for trying to make their money in whatever way they can is just plain ignorant and hateful. And if these so called clean dancers make so much god damn money doing clean dances and making so much god damn money doing clean and legit business deals outside the club, then why the fuck would you care what a "dirty" dancer does? Mind your own business and go make all that money you "claim" to make. You are just an angry and sad person to hate on others.

I say make your money any way you can and if you are happy doing what you are doing then more power to you.

Brush the haters off.

rihannsu
03-29-2010, 09:32 PM
I'm just curious- how often does HPD raid the clubs?

KS_Stevia
03-30-2010, 10:43 AM
There was a time when working in Houston didn't equate to extras. I was there from 1997 onward. The extras started getting super heavy after 2003, 2004. H-town is the 4th largest city in the country, by population. Its also massive in size and has at least 100 strip clubs.

Lots of clean girls live in Houston, and are bound there by their family, home ownership, educational commitments. Its really a shame and fucked up (lilmissunshine) that you all have accepted that Houston is extras city, especially considered how frequent busts are.

It totally fucks over girls in that town that DO NOT want to do hand jobs/suck dick, or have their titties sucked on until they chafe.

Maybe if a good portion of Houston dancers stood up for themselves against the spoiled brat custies with entitlement issues, it could be a decent city to dance in, and dancers wouldn't have to resort to doing things that made them feel bad about themselves in order to earn a decent buck.

Don't get me wrong, Houston has always been a two way high-contact town. That is fine. But I don't think its fine to have Mr. Happy come out for air ANYTIME in the club, unless he's in the bathroom taking a wizzzz.

Its really so sad, I always enjoyed working in Houston. Tons of conventioneers and travelling businessmen, stable economy, tons of clubs guaranteeing me anonymity from familiar faces....but the custies became unbearable because of the expectations.

So let the OP have her hand jobs. Even that isn't good enough for the custies there anymore. Girls do HJ as part of a $20 dance now a days. Truly the decline of an entire city.

Oh yeah, and the reason it all started, was because of the damn 6 foot rule put into laws by uptight puritans! Had exactly the opposite effect of what it intended to do.

pinupgurl2k6
03-30-2010, 10:12 PM
Thanks to your honesty I don't think Huston would be a good fit for me, I thank you for your honesty whole heartedly. I do not want to become like many pornography addicts, so desensitized to the situation I no longer care.

I just got home from the Netherlands, I spent a couple days in Amsterdam and I also went through the red light district. I always thought it would be fun to stand in a window and have my picture taken, just for giggles.

When I was actually asked to work by a pimp, that freaked me the fuck out, and I had no idea why, I was polite and said "no thank you" and kept walking.
I saw children with their parents, I saw guys pissing on the side of the street.

The last time I saw something alive behind glass it was an Animal. I saw female humans represented as nothing more than that, Animals. to have sex with one of those women is no different from landing in Egypt and paying for a Camel ride.
They offer a service but holy shit, and if this is how it is only hidden in the club,
I don't want to tell anyone it is okay.

:O

Because you have obviously never worked in Houston. If you read what I said, I said escorting IS better outside the club PERIOD. However it IS the norm in Houston to do extras in the club, therefore all this bs about hurting the business of clean dancers is a moot point in Houston. Don't think you understand what I am saying at all. I didn't say we should all do extras in Houston cause everybody is doing them, thus "when in rome". I was saying that if one chooses to do so, I don't see how you can hate or think you are better than that person because it IS the norm "when in rome". Try working in Houston and you will see what I mean.

And hating on someone else and calling them lazy and what not for trying to make their money in whatever way they can is just plain ignorant and hateful. And if these so called clean dancers make so much god damn money doing clean dances and making so much god damn money doing clean and legit business deals outside the club, then why the fuck would you care what a "dirty" dancer does? Mind your own business and go make all that money you "claim" to make. You are just an angry and sad person to hate on others.

I say make your money any way you can and if you are happy doing what you are doing then more power to you.

Brush the haters off.

rubyredlipsss
03-30-2010, 10:22 PM
glad to see you see it in a different light. i only know la and how it's ridden with extras but after reading this thread i don't think it's quite as bad just shitty money...cause i do well without extras and as far as contact im pretty low on the scale compared to other la dancers (maybe not to other dancers in other parts of the country)

what it comes down to is, extras are illegal...and if you're comfortable with breaking the law then fine...but don't ruin a perfectly legal industry just because other girls are doing it. escorting is illegal but it's different terroritory, providing a different service. i also believe escorting should be legal but the two in the same entity (prosititution and sc) should be left separate.

J.D.
03-30-2010, 10:42 PM
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what it comes down to is, extras are illegal...and if you're comfortable with breaking the law then fine...but don't ruin a perfectly legal industry just because other girls are doing it.

:withstupi Yes! This is the point I've been trying to make, yet some people just don't seem to get it.... :dunce:

KS_Stevia
03-30-2010, 10:46 PM
That's the thing about Houston. They made it technically illegal to get within 6 feet of a customer. So basically, any and all interaction in the SC has become illegal. Thus, they started moving lapdances to dark, unmonitored corners, while leaving the main floor area relatively clean. In those dark corners, since it was all illegal anyway, it began to be "anything goes." Management didn't watch or have videos of those areas so they could have plausibly deniability from the cops, and the dancers could take the blame.

Voila, the exact opposite effect occurred then the one intended.

sonora
03-30-2010, 10:53 PM
Dancers like you make the rest of us look bad. You need a brothel, not a strip club.

rubyredlipsss
03-30-2010, 10:58 PM
:withstupi Yes! This is the point I've been trying to make, yet some people just don't seem to get it.... :dunce:


thats cause those girls fall into the line of the DERRRR i'm slightly or maybe fully special ed category. :D

and it's sad that regulation has created such a problem in houston. they have the same thing in orange county (6 ft rule, bikini only ld's) last time i went into my old club the front door guy told me a girl i used to work with (very smart, ucla math major graduate) was suspended for sucking dick. total shock coming from her but i guess she's just trying to 'compete' which i call bullshit anyway.

rubyredlipsss
03-30-2010, 11:02 PM
ps. LOL at the brush the haters off. if hating on a girl giving hj's in a club to make an extra buck makes me a hater, then I'LL KEEP ON HATING while counting my 20's and 100's at the end of the night barely taking my bottoms off in a fully nude club.

Lasher
04-03-2010, 12:38 PM
^^^^ We're giving her a hard time because she (and now admittedly you) are fucking up our money with this shit! I don't care what you do in your spare time, but PLEASE don't prostitute in strip clubs! I don't want to deal with these nasty fucks who expect it from me because of girls like you. Take it outside of the club please, and do it on your own time. If you want to give handjobs for money, you shouldn't be working in a strip club! Period! Go work for an escort agency!


And I can GUARANTEE you I make more money as a clean dancer who knows how to talk to guys than an extras girl.

I agree with this. Anyone willing to whore herself out should not be in an SC. You're taking money from the rest of us, and, as JD pointed out, patrons will then think of the club as an 'extras' club, and expect it from the rest of us. GTFO.>:(

lilmisssunshine
04-03-2010, 06:36 PM
Ummm...I don't work anymore. So I don't know what the prob is.

The extras girls didn't ruin Houston. As KS Stevia pointed out, Houston ruined Houston by their regulations. If you can go to jail for breaking the 6 foot law or go to jail for a handjob, then it makes no difference to the extras girls what they go to jail for if they are getting paid more for the offending act. This opened a can of worms and everything went to hell. I know, I was working there back when all the legal drama started. It didn't used to be that way. But you can't hate on the rest of the girls who are still working there and trying to compete in a fucked up situation. It's a fucked town to work in IMO. There can be good money, but you gotta compete to work there.

And so once again, you will notice, I said I don't work anymore.

*SIGH* and I already said escorting would be a better and more preferable option. Agreed.

lilmisssunshine
04-03-2010, 06:37 PM
glad to see you see it in a different light. i only know la and how it's ridden with extras but after reading this thread i don't think it's quite as bad just shitty money...cause i do well without extras and as far as contact im pretty low on the scale compared to other la dancers (maybe not to other dancers in other parts of the country)

what it comes down to is, extras are illegal...and if you're comfortable with breaking the law then fine...but don't ruin a perfectly legal industry just because other girls are doing it. escorting is illegal but it's different terroritory, providing a different service. i also believe escorting should be legal but the two in the same entity (prosititution and sc) should be left separate.

Yes, but basically Houston has been making the move to make the industry illegal, regardless of whether you are clean or dirty. Thus the problem.

mediocrity
04-16-2010, 01:17 PM
I also love how everyone assumes that because I have no problem with it then it must mean I do it every day and to even customer because it's "oh the only way to make money.". What I do is my buisness; why don't you concentrate your energy on making your own money rather than spending it bashing me for "fucking up your money." If it fucks up your money that bad then you were never good at selling to begin with.

This is why I hate most strippers, ESPECIALLY these self-righteous "clean-dancers" because it just seems that they cannot keep to themselves and completely freak out when they hear of another dancer doing something illegal. They even go to the point of trying to insult me for my actions; I must be pretty stupid to be giving hand jobs, right J.D? Let me guess, because I cannot make money while selling a clean dance? I find it absolutely hilarious that you can make these assumptions about me through a few anonymous posts on the internet.

I don't know any of you. I asked for some club recommendations but instead this turned into a drama fest. It's just like walking into the dressing room.

Dude, what does your husband think about you jerking off guys for money?

Kylea2
04-16-2010, 03:49 PM
Dude, what does your husband think about you jerking off guys for money?

I'm a clean dancer, some of my closest friends are total opposite. Some of them are also married and their husbands don't give a damn. I probably wouldn't get along with a few of them except for a few things:

- They don't give dirty dances in clubs where most of the girls are clean
- They don't give dirty dances at cheap prices
- They keep most of their dirty work outside of the club

I prefer not to work with dirty dancers, because I know that when they do things they put all the other dancers at risk for busts - which could lead to not having a place to work.

I also have some pretty old school opinions about the dance industry in general and what's lead to the demise of the industry. It's a slippery slope effect. I've actually become a lot more conservative over time.

sonora
04-17-2010, 07:11 PM
Hand jobs should be reserved for whore houses. Having said that, I am confused by the fact that there are so many dancers on here are giving her a hard time for her honesty. I work at probably the cleanest club in Dallas, but even there 98 percent of dancers are all over their customers, bumping and grinding. To me, grinding on a guy until his dick is so far up your ass or pussy it makes you squint.... be it with our without his pants on, is no better than giving him a hand job! When I first started dancing my "air dances" were acceptable, and it was possible to give a sexy and sensual dance while being funny and entertaining... without all the physical contact. Unless you have stuck to your guns and still dance as I do, you really are not in a position to tell this girl where to go stick her nasty hand jobs. I make as much if not more than any girl that believes being a stripper means that you have to accept being molested by a strange man. If dancers would all come together and not allow men to get away with this because of low self esteem issues... we could actually enjoy our job and change the way people view this industry. You can make money just by allowing men to see your beautiful bodies, by being young, funny and entertaining! Where else would a man get this kind of attention? Just have a little self respect and self belief!

rubyredlipsss
04-17-2010, 08:15 PM
^i understand the points you make but just because some of us grind does not mean grind to the extreme that you assume. i would probably be considered one of the most conservative dancers in my area because my dances do not consist of purely grinding and yes there are dancers that grind really hard, but i am not one of them. i've heard a lot stories from girls in the DR about guys coming in their pants...and to me it's because they grind so hard to the point of getting the guy off and come out all disgusted. i've been lucky and never had this happen and hope it never does. in fact if i find a guy that if i rub slightly against him and he starts moaning, he gets an air dance from me, which is definitely NOT the norm in my area. but those are my boundaries. don't come in here assuming that we all grind as you described.

get it? k, glad we cleared that up.

sonora
04-18-2010, 02:54 PM
I am speaking from my experience as a dancer and what I have witnessed .... I am not assuming anything. The point I was trying to make is that it isn't necessary to do anything other than strip and entertain. We engage men, make them laugh and feel special, take our clothes off and shake our asses. It is the ultimate treat for them! And anything beyond that is just unnecessary.
We wouldn't give these men the time of day if we met them outside the club.... yet most dancers seem to forget this when it comes time to charge these men for the pleasure of our time, company and beauty..... not to mention the view of our naked bodies in front of their faces! I am not trying to trash anybody, I just wish we could all remember what entertaining is really about.

miabella
04-18-2010, 03:17 PM
i don't know how much things have changed re: contact in the last couple years in houston, but when i stopped dancing in clubs 3-4 years ago, nude clubs there were lower contact, high stage money and higher consistent earning potential than topless. topless was skank-out central and scrambling to avoid being groped while a manager leered. i worked topless like 2 months, and it was completely wasted time that could have been spent earning 500-1k/shift nude.

i do know that the laws have gotten crazier since 2006/7, and that there are waaay more busts than there used to be, including of customers, not just dancers. houston is not really a place to try these days unless you are stuck there, from what i understand happened with the laws a couple years back.