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mediocrity
05-21-2010, 05:23 PM
My husband would be dumping bodies in the bayou. I don't see how these girls' SO's don't care.

And I agree with Zinaida. I can't even remember the last time I gave a handjob even to my own husband or any SO previous to him.

NREXM must have hella carpal tunnel.

GrlWithTheMost
05-21-2010, 09:47 PM
My husband would be dumping bodies in the bayou. I don't see how these girls' SO's don't care.

And I agree with Zinaida. I can't even remember the last time I gave a handjob even to my own husband or any SO previous to him.

NREXM must have hella carpal tunnel.

LMFAO!!! You already turning into a cajun.. "dumping bodies in the bayou".. LOL LOVE IT!!!

mediocrity
05-21-2010, 09:56 PM
^^ Haha. Those were his words, not mine. He's got this creamy smooth Louisiana accent and always says "The bayou is only so deep...".

tempest666
09-13-2010, 12:47 AM
So I've decided to go dance elsewhere for a while since my husband and I have decided to move. I'm going to try out a few different states that may be of interest and have good consistent money. I want to try out either Houston or Dallas. I've known dancers that have worked at both and they say that it's good $$$ overall.

What are the pros and cons of each city? Which would be a better choice? I can only go to one because I'll be traveling by plane and I'm not old enough to rent a car.

Oh and please don't comment on how there are rampant extras going on. I've banked at clubs being a semi-clean dancer with really low-priced extras. That and I'm not opposed to hand jobs given the right price, anything over that is a no for me.

Damn I know this is an old thread, but I dunno how anyone can stand giving a HJ for a prolonged period of time... I jerked him off all the way from Wildwood, NJ to Philly and my arm is sore... I don't think I would make any money doing HJ's. I guess I'm no good at them? :-\

tempest666
09-13-2010, 12:48 AM
^^^ Keep in mind, you cross that line and you are no longer just a stripper...


Hey, even Darth Vader got redeemed ::)

oxSkylarxo
09-13-2010, 03:36 PM
Damn I know this is an old thread, but I dunno how anyone can stand giving a HJ for a prolonged period of time... I jerked him off all the way from Wildwood, NJ to Philly and my arm is sore... I don't think I would make any money doing HJ's. I guess I'm no good at them? :-\

Frankly I hate giving those. That is one of the reasons why I could never do those for money. I guess I am bad at them too, but I don't freakin care. lol

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 03:46 PM
I hate to sound judgmental but it seems like a lot of the escorts on this board have very low self esteem.


Alot of them do .. This one doesn't for damn sure!

oxSkylarxo
09-13-2010, 03:51 PM
Alot of them do .. This one doesn't for damn sure!

lol. Exactly. I am too lazy to go back several pages, but what gave her that impression? All the ones I see on here seem very smart, business minded, and have their shit together. I didn't notice you or any of the others acting evenly remotely insecure/self-hating.

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 03:56 PM
lol. Exactly. I am too lazy to go back several pages, but what gave her that impression? All the ones I see on here seem very smart, business minded, and have their shit together. I didn't notice you or any of the others acting evenly remotely insecure/self-hating.

I don't know. A lot of people on this board just feel the need to make themselves feel better that's why they say things like that. I don't know where the hell she got that from either because there are not THAT many escorts on this board. I have counted less than ten. If there are anymore I don't know of it's because they haven't really came out. The escorts that have posted so far don't sound like they have low self esteem at all so that threw me off a little". I follow Marvel Girl's posts. She seems to say things like that very frequently.. So I guess I should have ignored her.

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 04:00 PM
I'm lol'n about the girls admitting to do extras but bitch at me for being an escort. Sure keep giving $50 blowjobs...

Athenathefabulous
09-13-2010, 04:33 PM
I'm lol'n about the girls admitting to do extras but bitch at me for being an escort. Sure keep giving $50 blowjobs...

only 20 blowjobs to make a grand in one night! ;) sounds like smart business to me!

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 04:43 PM
only 20 blowjobs to make a grand in one night! ;) sounds like smart business to me!

lmfao! Hey whatever floats their boat! UGH

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I'm just shocked at the majority of dancers on this board that actually do extras.

Malaya says "That's nasty" GET A ROOM! Yes there is a big difference between an escort and an extras dancer..

If you can't figure it out ... well you're an idiot and you shouldn't become an escort.

Question for extras dancers: Do you take condoms to work? What about your laptops? SMFH

Yes I have a big problem with this. It is NOT fair!

tempest666
09-13-2010, 08:53 PM
My arm still hurts :( Sooooo how the fuck does it work? Do you try to get them off by the time the song ends?!? I know the OP is still active. I am a bit curious as to how the whole system works.

Athenathefabulous
09-13-2010, 08:59 PM
My arm still hurts :( Sooooo how the fuck does it work? Do you try to get them off by the time the song ends?!? I know the OP is still active. I am a bit curious as to how the whole system works.

you are giving way too much credit to SC perverts. how many of them do you really think would even be able to last a full song?

J.D.
09-13-2010, 11:30 PM
handjobs are sooooo 8th grade

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 11:52 PM
handjobs are sooooo 8th grade

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I'm reading this thread like wtf?! LOL

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 11:56 PM
i'm sorry this is a little old but i have to comment. you came down hard on la dancers before in a previous thread about how you could make 700+ a night, never actually admitting dancing in la. money in la like that is not easy to come by unless you are providing extras. giving a handjob is illegal and not part of the stripping profession...it's part of escorting and if you think you're so money smart then why don't you take it outside the club and make MORE money then you would inside the club. and hell yeah we're gonna give you shit, you're a dirty dancer who makes it hard for clean dancers who follow the law and provide entertainment that much harder. get off your handjob high horse and admit that you should just become an escort since you think you're such a great hustler...you'll make even more out of the club. and it doesn't fuck up my money, i just have to hustle that much harder and fend off guys asking for extras because they're getting them for dirty dancers like you.

and if you were smart you'd probably figure out why girls give you shit here and in the dressing room. but you just don't seem to get it.


Public Service Announcement: Malaya Taylor has never given a handjob as an escort. If you're having to give handjobs as an escort that means ummmmmm.... lol Let's just say that is NOT good! :)

Unless you are a jackshack worker you shouldn't be jacking mfers off... I mean this is comical to me now.

malayataylor
09-13-2010, 11:58 PM
/\.....


Great, now she'll go to Dallas...... Oh the joy. It's ok though, most of the dirty girls in Dallas either have pimps or do outcall. She wont last long. Oh yeah, and Dallas is a B*TCH to get around in without a car. Get ready for the $60 cab rides each way, baby!!!

Here's the other thing about D-town.

Some of the guys there do come in the club for dirty girls, but the ones that actually spend good money CALL A DAMN ESCORT when they want that. They are smart enough to realize the difference between fantasy and being a story on the news and the internet forever.

I am MORE THAN WILLING to report anything I see that shouldn't be happening. Don't think I won't call management, corporate management or even the cops on things. Don't think that I haven't in the past and won't in the future.

Here's what pisses me off about extras girls.

Like what JD and the others said, YOU ARE MESSING UP OUR INDUSTRY. It is essentially lowballing the whole damn industry when you give a handjob or blowjay or BBFS or HJBJAJblablabla... One bad apple slowly ruins the whole bunch.

I adore escorts. Stay out of the club, be a professional, be clean, be a provider. Bravo. I applaud escorts.

The problem with being dirty in the club is that YOU... YES YOU!!!! put me at risk. I DO NOT WANT to be at work the day that you offer the undercover cop a "handjob for the right price" and suddenly every girl in the club is in the office and being charged and all over the effing internet. Remember this?

YEAH. That is NOT GOING TO BE ME on the internet forever because YOU and enough of your friends chose to be whores in an inappropriate place.

What happens to the single mom supporting her kids off dancing money if she wrongly gets charged because of YOU?

What happens to the college girl dancing her way through school who gets charged because of YOU?

What happens to the teacher making ends meet WHO GETS CHARGED BECAUSE OF YOU?

Oh that's right... the juvenile sense of entitlement and "it doesn't affect you, get over it" attitude just affected everyone.

And we're the ones acting like we're in high school?

Give me a break.


Well said.

oxSkylarxo
09-14-2010, 12:05 AM
handjobs are sooooo 8th grade

I agree. That is kid stuff. Guys are totally capable of doing that themselves with a bottle of lotion.

strippername
09-14-2010, 01:41 AM
About the jacking cocks...I love jacking cock as long as I can spit on it, stare up at the cock owner and suck it intermittently. I feel like I need to host a lesson! You women have to be kidding me!!! I love the way it feels staring up...blah..blah..blah. Yes, I did it as an escort, too. Malaya, I used to think it was funny when I got away from a booking without fucking a dick.

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 01:50 AM
About the jacking cocks...I love jacking cock as long as I can spit on it, stare up at the cock owner and suck it intermittently. I feel like I need to host a lesson! You women have to be kidding me!!! I love the way it feels staring up...blah..blah..blah. Yes, I did it as an escort, too. Malaya, I used to think it was funny when I got away from a booking without fucking a dick.


High end escorts are usually not hired to just Jack cocks.. Hahaha. No seriously we're not. Men stare at our hot pics and think "Oh I'm so gonna do her" They usually don't want to pay $500 an hour or more just to have their cock jacked by us. I have had booking when I did not have to have sex but I was not confined to a 4-5 star hotel room at all. My clients like to take me out on town, take me to parties, concerts and then fuck me or not. I sure hope you used protection when performing oral (Sorry the thought of unprotected sex with a random cock owner makes me cringe)

When I was working for an an agency There was an indian guy that wanted me to play with his inner thigh and I did and he actually came from it. Now I thought THAT was funny. I don't like handjobs.. unless I am an FBSM provider and make money JUST from handjobs and massage. I have to admit it doing handjobs for a living gets a bit tiring and I rather just go out for dinner and fuck. I am also not one of those providers that discuss sex acts with the client. It is unspoken of.. If a client told me "I'm just looking for a handjob" I wouldn't see him. I hate playing the guessing game and the last thing I want to do is incriminate myself :). Eh well at least we know I picked the right profession... HAhahaha!

P.s think about it.. why pay $500 to an escort just to have your cock jacked when you can just go to a jack shack parlor for less than half the price?

deedee at the beach
09-14-2010, 06:52 PM
High end escorts are usually not hired to just Jack cocks.oral . Hahaha. No seriously we're not. Men stare at our hot pics and think "Oh I'm so gonna do her" They usually don't want to pay $500 an hour or more just to have their cock jacked by us. I have had booking when I did not have to have sex but I was not confined to a 4-5 star hotel room at all. My clients like to take me out on town, take me to parties, concerts and then fuck me or not. I sure hope you used protection when performing (Sorry the thought of unprotected sex with a random cock owner makes me cringe)

When I was working for an an agency There was an indian guy that wanted me to play with his inner thigh and I did and he actually came from it. Now I thought THAT was funny. I don't like handjobs.. unless I am an FBSM provider and make money JUST from handjobs and massage. I have to admit it doing handjobs for a living gets a bit tiring and I rather just go out for dinner and fuck. I am also not one of those providers that discuss sex acts with the client. It is unspoken of.. If a client told me "I'm just looking for a handjob" I wouldn't see him. I hate playing the guessing game and the last thing I want to do is incriminate myself :). Eh well at least we know I picked the right profession... HAhahaha!

P.s think about it.. why pay $500 to an escort just to have your cock jacked when you can just go to a jack shack parlor for less than half the price?


i loved what you mentioned about the condom!!!!

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 07:05 PM
i loved what you mentioned about the condom!!!!

;) No amount of money is worth going without it!

Italian_Bombshell849
11-18-2010, 02:41 AM
Hey girl I am looking for a place to work in Houston too! Im sorry the girls on here are giving you a hard time for your hand-jobs but I say you got to do what you got to do for yourself!
PM me if you find anything good!

@babybambi08 - my friend and I are looking for a place to dance in Houston as well. We are desperate enough to point of looking into a more hole-in-the-wall/dive-ish type of place....which in Houston....that can be scary!! :O Please PM me and maybe you, me, the girl who you asked to PM you, and my friend can all network. We're struggling with finding a place as well. :-\ She only can make barely ok money at Centerfolds only on Thursday nights because the extras are so so so rampant and severe there. Some girls bank...but they're fucking, sucking, and doing God knows what else in the CRs and even out in the open! /:O ha! I'm on often and hope to hear from you. I've seen your posts on other threads, so I am hoping you get this soon...

But seriously, please PM me and we can figure something out!!
Italian_Bombshell849

rock_n_roll_dream
11-18-2010, 03:18 AM
Oh my god, this is just ridiculous. Strippers/Dancers work in Strip Clubs......PROSTITUTES work in brothels or in dark alleys!!!! lmao. I mean seriously there are girls that do these extras that are illegal...if it's illegal and your doing it anyway in a strip club then it's considered prostitution and that makes you a whore! I never understood why dirty girls who don't mind having no morals or self respect work in strip clubs anyway....you would probably make better money in a whore house or on the corner of the street where you belong! It's nasty girls like that who give us REAL dancers a bad name!

tempest666
11-18-2010, 03:33 AM
It's not just confined to Houston , though. Houston is merely the posterchild for extras.

Italian_Bombshell849
11-18-2010, 04:02 AM
Oh my god, this is just ridiculous. Strippers/Dancers work in Strip Clubs......PROSTITUTES work in brothels or in dark alleys!!!! lmao. I mean seriously there are girls that do these extras that are illegal...if it's illegal and your doing it anyway in a strip club then it's considered prostitution and that makes you a whore! I never understood why dirty girls who don't mind having no morals or self respect work in strip clubs anyway....you would probably make better money in a whore house or on the corner of the street where you belong! It's nasty girls like that who give us REAL dancers a bad name!

just curious...was this rant directed towards me? If so, I apologize if I upset you to the point of this rant. I in no way, shape, or form support extras. I can honestly say I am a legit dancer. I was contacting babybambi because I want to network with her so we can find a club here in Houston that DOESN'T have only the extras girls making good to great money. I reread my post and can see where you are coming from whenever you say what you said about extras girls. It actually kind of DOES sound like I am supporting extras and such...but I honestly I don't.

Again, if I was the one to upset you I apologize.

Italian_Bombshell849
11-18-2010, 04:04 AM
It's not just confined to Houston , though. Houston is merely the posterchild for extras.


LMFAO 8) true true...

tempest666
11-18-2010, 10:31 AM
One thing that has always puzzled me... for such a trigger happy, God fearing, right wing Republican state, TX has some of the most debauched clubs I have ever encountered...not that it's a bad thing but it's an interesting phenomenon.

rock_n_roll_dream
11-18-2010, 12:26 PM
No it wasn't directed towards you Italian_Bombshell849.....just ranting about the people on here who do the extras and think it's okay and people at my workplace as well...

bunny8558
11-18-2010, 01:50 PM
One thing that has always puzzled me... for such a trigger happy, God fearing, right wing Republican state, TX has some of the most debauched clubs I have ever encountered...not that it's a bad thing but it's an interesting phenomenon.

Before I ever danced (but I had waitressed at a few clubs here in Houston), I wrote a paper for a law and society class concerning the interplay of local and state laws/ordinances affecting strip clubs in Houston and Texas. Most of the laws make doing practically anything in or out of a club illegal. Hell, from what I understand, it's still illegal in Texas for a married couple to have anal sex (or even just "slip" into the "wrong" hole!); just about anything sexual is demonized legally speaking. Fact is, most of these laws are written not to be practical protections against dangerous behaviors; instead, they are made entirely for public relations purposes to gain votes and favor with the super-religious crowd (who morally bullies everyone else into agreement with said values).

Unfortunately, these PR-motivated politicians inadvertently create the nasty extras environment they supposedly were trying to get rid of with the laws. Since they make doing just about anything illegal, EVERYTHING becomes black market and under-the-table... If a traditional lap dance is already wrong, then it can't be bad to let guys touch you for extra money, right? It can't be bad as a custie to want to screw the dancer in the back for a fee, since the dance itself is already illegal, right? In Houston, with our full-latex, full-bottoms policies, this is exactly what goes on.

Perhaps the nastiest, dirtiest, grossest thing about all of this is not the sex-- it's the money. With dancing made de facto illegal, clubs have to pay off vice in order to stay raid-free. If your club falls behind on payments or can't keep up with the bureaucratic extortionists' demands, it gets raided. That's why the larger clubs and flagship clubs of companies owning more than one club in Houston always get raided, even though extras might be more rampant at the smaller club.

To add insult to injury for the legit dancer and patron, pimps have started acting as outside (and sometimes inside!) agents for dancers... as in most of them at some clubs! The clubs allow for this since the extras are already happening-- the pimps pay off managers to allow for their girls to work, and the girls give a cut to managers when they turn tricks. The pimps drop off, pick up, clothe, sometimes feed, and otherwise provide for their girls. I've heard of clubs that prefer hiring pimped-out girls... management makes more money that way.

How do I know this? Well, aside from research, some of this (namely the pimp parts) I know from experience. I get approached by a pimp nearly every night I work-- I think they are starting to understand that I don't need them just because I'm new to the game. I see them skulking around, watching their girls work, taking payment... One of the first questions I got asked at work wasn't about me... it was if I had a "daddy" or "pimp" since "everyone else does."

So, the money trail is as follows: the pimp pays the manager for a girl to work and her cut, the management pays off vice to avoid raids, and god knows how high the money trickles up (The Supreme Court upheld one particular ordinance that by property law would be considered illegitimate, so who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes!). All this corruption results NOT from women taking off their clothes as performers. It results from ultra-conservative, chauvinist, and elitist legislation, corrupt and selective enforcement, and Texans being led around by the nose via religious sexual guilt.
So Tempest, the debauchery exists because people are dumb enough to think that making things illegal stops them. The law treats clubs as semi-legal brothels, and unfortunately, that's what they've become. Sorry for the long diatribe, but that's the answer to the puzzle.
And yes, once I get my law degree, I will add dancer defense to my specialties. ;)

Italian_Bombshell849
11-18-2010, 03:31 PM
No it wasn't directed towards you Italian_Bombshell849.....just ranting about the people on here who do the extras and think it's okay and people at my workplace as well...

gotcha. no worries then! 8)

lagirl
01-02-2011, 03:22 AM
;) No amount of money is worth going without it!
just wanted to point out that two uncurable stds can be passed regardless of condom use- HPV and HSV can live in the are around the shaft (which is not covered by a condom). You CAN pass it on while being asymptomatic, and the forms of HPV that cause cervical cancer are not at all detectable on men.
Anyway have fun :-)

Italian_Bombshell849
01-05-2011, 09:03 AM
girls actually say that? Wow. that is ridonculous.


yeah Athena...they do say that. I work in a "semi clean" club in Houston but it still happens, as you know. lol. and yes, it IS ridonculous. lol. Some clubs are worse than others but some clubs really don't give a shit. I find that the extras girls don't really make much more than the girls who keep their stuff to themselves (as in keep their toungue, hands, and pussy to themselves...). There is always those select few who do that shit. I don't treat these girls any different. If anything I am sympathetic towards some of them because I know they have pimps or abusive boyfriends turning them out.

It's the name of the game...what can you say?

Italian_Bombshell849
01-05-2011, 09:03 AM
It's not just confined to Houston , though. Houston is merely the posterchild for extras.


no shit sherlock.

lmfao

Italian_Bombshell849
01-05-2011, 09:05 AM
One thing that has always puzzled me... for such a trigger happy, God fearing, right wing Republican state, TX has some of the most debauched clubs I have ever encountered...not that it's a bad thing but it's an interesting phenomenon.


haha..."debauched clubs"....rofl }:D

sophiagold
01-05-2011, 11:30 AM
just an observation.. but anytime you admit you are doing things that most don't do (I am a clean dancer myself) you are asking for a frenzy and "drama". You stated your self quite clearly. And with no regard to the consequences of your post, now you want a grievance. You cannot have it both ways. We, clean dancers, are selling an illusion, a fantasy.. you are selling your body. I don't plan to be mean to you.. but I just hope in some way you are able to look inside yourself and be more open to the effect you are having on others when you are working. Its just Not cool dude. I think escorting is an option you should absolutely look into, since you are open to "extras" you could really pocket it away, while not pissing off the dancers that just sell what we are supposed to. Plus, think of the possiblities at your disposal for networking online!

tempest666
01-05-2011, 11:32 AM
just an observation.. but anytime you admit you are doing things that most don't do (I am a clean dancer myself) you are asking for a frenzy and "drama". You stated your self quite clearly. And with no regard to the consequences of your post, now you want a grievance. You cannot have it both ways. We, clean dancers, are selling an illusion, a fantasy.. you are selling your body. I don't plan to be mean to you.. but I just hope in some way you are able to look inside yourself and be more open to the effect you are having on others when you are working. Its just Not cool dude. I think escorting is an option you should absolutely look into, since you are open to "extras" you could really pocket it away, while not pissing off the dancers that just sell what we are supposed to. Plus, think of the possiblities at your disposal for networking online!

???????? I'm lost????????

sophiagold
01-05-2011, 11:38 AM
still learning this site.. lol.. but it was in response to the initial poster of this thread..

noelle
01-05-2011, 11:42 AM
Yeah she's talking about the first post where NREXM says she's willing to do handjobs for the right price.

tempest666
01-05-2011, 11:46 AM
^^^^^^ Alright lol gotcha. This goddamn thread went off in so many directions I forgot about the original point.....

AudrinaN
01-09-2011, 11:30 AM
wooooow.

Sadie/karina
03-24-2011, 10:44 AM
Ok did you not just admit to being dirty? Don't get butt hurt because they called you out on it! Go to an escort service or massage parlor, and you won't have to deal with the drama from the ACTUAL CLEAN dancers!

tempest666
03-24-2011, 01:29 PM
I like being dirty in TX.....I always take a shit off the highway after drinking a cup of coffee! :D

J.D.
03-24-2011, 01:44 PM
Why won't this thread die?

lilmisssunshine
03-24-2011, 02:50 PM
OMG it's the ZOMBIE THREAD!

It will NEVER die!

Happy2BSpoiled
10-24-2011, 03:10 AM
To add insult to injury for the legit dancer and patron, pimps have started acting as outside (and sometimes inside!) agents for dancers... as in most of them at some clubs! The clubs allow for this since the extras are already happening-- the pimps pay off managers to allow for their girls to work, and the girls give a cut to managers when they turn tricks. The pimps drop off, pick up, clothe, sometimes feed, and otherwise provide for their girls. I've heard of clubs that prefer hiring pimped-out girls... management makes more money that way.

How do I know this? Well, aside from research, some of this (namely the pimp parts) I know from experience. I get approached by a pimp nearly every night I work-- I think they are starting to understand that I don't need them just because I'm new to the game. I see them skulking around, watching their girls work, taking payment... One of the first questions I got asked at work wasn't about me... it was if I had a "daddy" or "pimp" since "everyone else does."

So, the money trail is as follows: the pimp pays the manager for a girl to work and her cut, the management pays off vice to avoid raids, and god knows how high the money trickles up (The Supreme Court upheld one particular ordinance that by property law would be considered illegitimate, so who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes!). All this corruption results NOT from women taking off their clothes as performers. It results from ultra-conservative, chauvinist, and elitist legislation, corrupt and selective enforcement, and Texans being led around by the nose via religious sexual guilt.
So Tempest, the debauchery exists because people are dumb enough to think that making things illegal stops them. The law treats clubs as semi-legal brothels, and unfortunately, that's what they've become. Sorry for the long diatribe, but that's the answer to the puzzle.
And yes, once I get my law degree, I will add dancer defense to my specialties. ;)


OH MY GOSH! THIS IS SO TRUE!

I use to work during days only. Three clubs, 2 air dances and 1 grind and go club. The grind and go wasn't too bad because you could make really good money during the day. Most guys didn't grab, it was just lap dances. Then the manager changed, as they normally do, and everything went to hell. Girls started giving hjs and bjs in the corners. I noticed there were a bunch of new girls doing this and the manager seemed to be protecting them while they did it. One day I got drunk and the manager pissed me off so I said, "are you blind? Can't you see the girl in the corner giving blowjobs!" Yeah, probably not a good move.

Then I noticed on his desk was a list of all the girls who had gotten champagne and what type of bottle. These same girls were getting off stage all day for a one set bottle. That is when I left. I always thought there was something funny and the manager was getting money for it, but I wasn't sure if they were girls he worked with in the past or if it was some kind of pimp deal. This explains it!

Thanks for the info.