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Glamourmilf
06-27-2015, 12:15 PM
Just had groceries delivered for the second week and I LOOOOOVE it! Going to the store later doesn't seem like a big deal knowing I only need 5 things instead of my massive weekly shopping list. Getting everything I need instead of putting it off, not being burned out from the long tedious trip, and actually having the energy to cook batch meals afterward is the main reason I've been so good at sticking to my diet this past week, and I feel (and look, if I do say so myself) amazing! I ain't never going back to hours-long shopping trips!

Isn't delivery the best thing ever? I miss it.
I was thinking of your post yesterday, when I had to go to the grocery store, and the check out bitch kept talking my ear off!! Ughh!
First it started with her complimenting me on my sundress, then she just went on and on about where to buy them, etc. I was buying stamps too, and she just kept blabbering! I actually had to hold my hand out and ask her for the stamps, and my receipt so I could get the frig outta there!
The store was old, didn't have a good selection, & smelled like piss from all of the homeless people that go in there. I only went to that market, because I needed to go to the pharmacy next door. never again!
I'm way too irritated from the get go because my twat landlord won't let me turn on my ac, and its over 100 degrees in my room.

Likethis
06-27-2015, 03:02 PM
I confess that lately I've been feeling like I'm turning into a rude cunt.

So much anger and resentment. But I don't think it's necessarily bad. It's just that sometimes when you open your eyes and see things as they really are it can make you angry and rightly so.

I used to be so sweet, in many ways I was far too nice, I look back now and think "wow I should have told more people to fuck off". I used to let people get away with so much, I didn't demand the respect I deserve and it makes me both furious and sad to think about how I wasted my time with the wrong people and how it has affected me. Maybe this change I'm feeling means that from now on I will accept no bad behavior from others... I hope so because I'm so done with all that.

Genoveve
06-27-2015, 06:13 PM
^^Don't confuse being a rude cunt with having boundaries. If someone is being rude, you stand up for yourself and now they think you're the rude one, well that's on them. In life no one owes you anything, but the plus side to that is that you don't owe anyone anything either.

I confess that I started drinking coffee to get a buzz on for work but all that did was make me start tweaking out on the forums and forget working. This happens way too often lol.

BarbieNYC
06-27-2015, 06:37 PM
I'm leaving ny for a month. I am so happy. I am going to miss my dog and my boyfriend but this break will be good for me. Can't wait to be back in Cali. It's a shame because I just found a good club to work at here in ny but i'm ready for a break.

Went out twice this week in Manhattan and omg the nightlife in the city is not what it used to be. Wednesday night was so dead and all the clubs I used to go to were closed and only open weekends. Or closing early. Went out last night and friday night was almost as dead. Manhattan clubs used to be so picky about who they let in and now they let in everyone. I couldn't believe it.

Ended up at an upscale spanish club by my house and even that place was dead. That place usually has a line down the block and charges cover. We just waltzed right in.

What is going on? this is summertime. The clubs and streets should be packed. We say strip clubs are going downhill but I think it's nightlife in general.

The boyfriend said it's rent and netflix that are killing nightlife. I totally agree.

charlie61
06-27-2015, 06:56 PM
^ Ohhhhh tempting to order....

If you get it, I wouldn't recommend reading it right before work. Her story has a happy ending, but the majority of the book doesn't make you feel great about the male side of our species...

whirlerz
06-27-2015, 10:38 PM
I can't stop packing even though I'm exhausted & mostly done..I'm afraid I won't get out/check out of here in time, I can ask for an extra hour or so but..I don't want to get set off & punch somebody.

xStacey
06-27-2015, 10:55 PM
Saw a hot but annoying (always asking for extras) body rub regular I haven't seen in over a year. He moved to Toronto for work and just came back last week, his body is transformed whoa, he now works out 5 days a week. We were in the jacuzzi and as he was kissing my neck I said oh that feels so amazing when did you learn that he replies it was in Toronto, but the girls over there don't charge, LOL. I was thinking, and this is why you're back begging me to let you eat my pussy for more money ::)

ScarletKitten
06-28-2015, 03:15 AM
I confess reading "Ho Tactics" made me feel really depressed, and I'm not even sure why. I couldn't even finish reading it. smh. Maybe I'm not meant to be a hoe?! Am I just totally wrong for this industry?? Ahhhhhh!!!!

*runs screaming into the woods*

xStacey
06-28-2015, 03:46 AM
I confess reading "Ho Tactics" made me feel really depressed, and I'm not even sure why. I couldn't even finish reading it. smh. Maybe I'm not meant to be a hoe?! Am I just totally wrong for this industry?? Ahhhhhh!!!!

*runs screaming into the woods*

It made me depressed too. At the beginning it was really interesting but I had trouble going through the second half of the book. I decided to finish it anyway but it was difficult to keep reading.

xStacey
06-28-2015, 04:06 AM
I confess that I really want to drop the guy I am currently seeing after reading Ho Tactics. He rarely picks me up or drop me home, I have to take the public transportation to go see him, he makes me go Dutch on dates except on special occasions, he's boring, the conversation is boring, the sex is boring. I don't want anything serious with him but it really offended me when he told me the reason why he doesn't introduce me to his family is because I am a stripper. He just moved and he's gonna be living 1 hour away from me, I haven't visited yet but I don't feel like he's worthy of my time for me to spend an hour to go to his place and one hour to go back to mine. Our relationship isn't going anywhere. I don't want to do "Come over and chill" dates anymore. Getting ready to go see him is such a chore, I don't want to spend over an hour getting ready, putting on expensive make-up, brand new hair extensions, nice clothes just to go over to his place and watch TV or play video games for 2 hours then remove everything because it's time to go to bed for him.

I think the reason why I stayed with him for over a year is because he's good looking and convenient. He's pretty nice, but I mean I can easily find a nicer guy who will listen to what I have to say, but also pick me up and pay for me on dates. I am afraid I won't get laid (I don't want to have sex so quick with guys I meet anymore, but just the thought of having to meet someone new and start all over again sounds like so much work and I don't feel like it at all) if I leave him but then when I am with him I never ever feel like having sex with him anyway. We haven't had sex in months, the last time I tried I ended up crying because the sex was so boring as always and I forced myself thinking it would get better during the act. He never does what I like, he doesn't kiss me the way I want to be kissed, he doesn't eat me out unless I tell him to, he doesn't talk dirty to me, doesn't compliment me. There is nothing worse than giving a guy a blowjob or riding him and he has no reaction at all, does not make any sound, does not moan, does not say anything. I mean, I always thought I was pretty good in bed with what the previous guys I've been with have said... He cuddles well though.

I always have so much trouble ending relationships and wait for the other person to do it for me, but it's not happening. My birthday is in a week though, I don't want to end up spending it alone but it'll be selfish for me to keep him until then before ending things.

whirlerz
06-28-2015, 08:09 AM
Well, it's countdown to check out of Rachet Central motel..I'd thought it was tomorrow, luckily I noticed the date yesterday, & hauled ass all day to get my stuff out, & somewhat arranged @ the storage.
Whew! I've got like 2 carry bags left, my computer & random shit in my car.
Even though I'm not sure where I'm going, kinda relieved to gtfo. Although there's some nice people that stay here long term

HoolaTwister
06-28-2015, 08:21 AM
I confess I don't understand the controversy about the Confederate flag. People are focusing on the the flag!?! Stores are now getting rid of it? What? But I can still buy a dreamy portrait of Stalin and Hitler on amazon, as well as a Che or Mao throw pillow. All these people paying lip service to it, what am empty gesture. What a tragedy, instead of us coming together and uniting, we are being pulled apart. That's exactly what they want, have us all looking at each other with resentment and suspicion.

This is supposed to be a free country, what's it to anyone if someone is flying a Confederate flag? Focusing on a pice of cloth? Sanctimonious media, feigning such outrage, they should look around their offices and see how many minorities they have hired....

HoolaTwister
06-28-2015, 08:24 AM
Well, it's countdown to check out of Rachet Central motel..I'd thought it was tomorrow, luckily I noticed the date yesterday, & hauled ass all day to get my stuff out, & somewhat arranged @ the storage.
Whew! I've got like 2 carry bags left, my computer & random shit in my car.
Even though I'm not sure where I'm going, kinda relieved to gtfo. Although there's some nice people that stay here long term

I hope you find a really great place where people are respectful and you can rest and make it cozy!

miss.a.p1600
06-28-2015, 08:51 AM
I confess I don't understand the controversy about the Confederate flag. People are focusing on the the flag!?! Stores are now getting rid of it? What? But I can still buy a dreamy portrait of Stalin and Hitler on amazon, as well as a Che or Mao throw pillow. All these people paying lip service to it, what am empty gesture. What a tragedy, instead of us coming together and uniting, we are being pulled apart. That's exactly what they want, have us all looking at each other with resentment and suspicion.

This is supposed to be a free country, what's it to anyone if someone is flying a Confederate flag? Focusing on a pice of cloth? Sanctimonious media, feigning such outrage, they should look around their offices and see how many minorities they have hired....

I don't get it either. I think with top chains banning the sale of confederate flag it's simply people wanting what they can no longer have or not easily access. On one hand I can see it, if people can't fly the nazi flag then they shouldnt fly the confederate flag. I would never date a person who flies either flag. But On the other hand it's just a flag, flying a flag doesn't mean anything to me. Now if a person is acting racist while waving the flag then that's a whole 'nother story. I befriended a guy in high school - true redneck and had confederate flag accessories - but he never crossed the line and said anything or acted racist so in this case I'd say to each his own.

I am considering hanging out with one of my regulars outside the club simply so I can make more money with out having to pay fees to the club. Only downside is he annoys me sometimes....plus he is really older than me and if I'm seen in public with him people will wonder what I'm doing with him and may think I'm a prostitute. *sigh*

zoezoebelle
06-28-2015, 11:51 AM
I wrote out the full story of my current relationship on another forum, and two people accused me of writing a 50 Shades/Pretty Woman parody. xD It's not though...

carmen_b
06-28-2015, 11:59 AM
I'm supposed to do a huge job today ( day job ) . We ordered a huge batch of gear to work outside but it's RAINING like Hell . I really hope it clears up.
My stomach is in pain and I'm not at my best but this needs to be PERFECT. Luckily the rain here comes and goes . I Need to start moving towards set up and I'm just trying not to think about the rain.

charlie61
06-28-2015, 02:42 PM
I've developed an irrational fear of the poles at work. The second stage is up on a platform, and the (spinning) poles are near the edge of the platform, so if anything were to happen to the pole, I'd fall like 6-7 feet before hitting the ground. Even though I know the poles are strong and whatnot, every time I start to do a trick, all I can picture is the pole falling and taking me with it. This clear image flashes through my head of me toppling over and cracking my skull open. Eep!!

zoezoebelle
06-28-2015, 03:04 PM
I've developed an irrational fear of the poles at work. The second stage is up on a platform, and the (spinning) poles are near the edge of the platform, so if anything were to happen to the pole, I'd fall like 6-7 feet before hitting the ground. Even though I know the poles are strong and whatnot, every time I start to do a trick, all I can picture is the pole falling and taking me with it. This clear image flashes through my head of me toppling over and cracking my skull open. Eep!!

That's not irrational at all. It could happen, and more to the point if you happen to slip you could injure yourself just as easily. That's why I don't plan on doing any pole climbing or upside-down tricks at work. An extra $5 tip is not worth breaking my neck!

Vyanka
06-28-2015, 08:05 PM
Taking a day off work this week to take my bff(she's not a dancer) sugar daddy hunting. Lol. I hope she finds one good, bc she needs it. This should be fun. The lies we are gonna create! Lol

charlie61
06-28-2015, 08:36 PM
Er meh gehrd. Taylor Swift's "biopiracy" boots in her Bad Blood video. So hot. Check it out - about 1 minute in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcIy9NiNbmo

MyButter
06-28-2015, 09:19 PM
I love that "I've Got a Girl Crush" song. It reminds me of the level of inadequacy I feel when I crush on gorgeous women. I always end up fantasizing about how perfect their lives must be, and how perfect *my* life could be if I looked anything like them.

xStacey
06-28-2015, 09:32 PM
I really think I'll make the worst gold digger ever, I am too soft lol. There's a regular who used to visit me all the time at my previous club, I never took my regulars number at that time and haven't seen him for over a year after I switched club. Saw him again on Tuesday, it was so unexpected and he visited again yesterday. He's a millionaire too and has a Porsche.

We talk a lot about deep topics. It's very sad, people always take advantage of him, girls always screw him over, all the girlfriends he had in the past, his friends, his family, his mom. His ex-girlfriend is a high-end escort, she was working behind his back, he wasn't aware of it and discovered it after many years together. He didn't understand why she had to do that because he offered to pay for her living expenses and anything she needed, she was often stealing money at his place, a few hundreds in his pants, a few thousands, he had $30 000 in cash stolen at his house. It's hard for him to make friends because he doesn't know if they're genuine or only interested in his money. He told me he just lost a million in investments but doesn't care much, he never wants to work and isn't interested in making money anymore after seeing what money does to people.

He's so sweet and nice, he said no matter what happened I still have faith and try to see the best in people but I've been deceived many times. When I trust someone, I don't trust them 95% or 99%, it's 200%. My dad was the same, he was always volunteering and ended up losing all his money because he gave it all away.

I mean it would be so easy, he's always texting me and wants to see me outside, looking for a girlfriend but I don't want to do that to such a gentle person. Sometimes when I talk to him I feel like telling him he should stop displaying his wealth while talking about how gullible he is, it's not hard to understand why he attracts so many gold diggers... :(

xStacey
06-28-2015, 09:51 PM
There's seriously a problem when customers treat you better than guys you date :banghead:

kaninchen
06-28-2015, 10:10 PM
^ Maybe it's my innate distrust of men, but I can't help but wonder if he's just playing you with all that victim talk. Unless he's an heir or happened to get super lucky with stocks, it's unlikely that he became a millionaire by being a doe-eyed, naive sweetheart.

xStacey
06-28-2015, 10:16 PM
^ Maybe it's my innate distrust of men, but I can't help but wonder if he's just playing you with all that victim talk. Unless he's an heir or happened to get super lucky with stocks, it's unlikely that he became a millionaire by being a doe-eyed, naive sweetheart.

Sometimes I wonder too... I've known him for almost 2 years, he's always paying me to listen to him talk about getting taken advantage of and his wine collection, his two favorite subjects.

xStacey
06-28-2015, 10:34 PM
Taking a day off work this week to take my bff(she's not a dancer) sugar daddy hunting. Lol. I hope she finds one good, bc she needs it. This should be fun. The lies we are gonna create! Lol

Ohh where are you taking her? :)

zoezoebelle
06-28-2015, 11:50 PM
^ Maybe it's my innate distrust of men, but I can't help but wonder if he's just playing you with all that victim talk. Unless he's an heir or happened to get super lucky with stocks, it's unlikely that he became a millionaire by being a doe-eyed, naive sweetheart.

I always distrust people who use that sort of victim talk as you said. My mother used to constantly talk about how everyone has screwed her over and all these people are so evil (myself included), and she was basically a self-absorbed sociopath. But most people think she's this super nice, sad, vulnerable woman because they don't see how she is at home. And all my ex boyfriends who used victim talk were the exact same, just totally irresponsible assholes who like to manipulate folks with their sob stories.

Also, if he's so rich and sweet hearted why does he date so many sex workers? Either there's some massive personality flaw that makes nobody else want to date him, or he just loves keeping women he perceives as vulnerable around. Whenever I meet regulars in the club who talk about having stripper girlfriends/exes, it's usually both, and they're all looking to cheat with someone else. Would not touch with a ten foot pole.

SimoneGray
06-29-2015, 12:06 AM
There's seriously a problem when customers treat you better than guys you date :banghead:

Damn, you hit the nail on the head. For some reason this also applies to camming. Like when guys are sweeter than any you meet in real life and are just nicer to you and more respectful than any real ones...sigh. There is a problem in this world for sure.

wednesday86
06-29-2015, 07:52 AM
I have a regular and I am already annoyed by him and already dreading his next visit. In many ways, he's the perfect customer. He doesn't even make me dance. We just do VIPs where we sit and talk. He spent $500 on me last time he saw me and I didn't even have to sell to him. He was the one dragging me back for VIPs!

But of course he's already pushing for otc...gave me his number (which I threw away.) "blah blah blah call me!" "blah blah blah let me take you out to dinner!" ugh! I really want to push him onto another girl because it gets on my damn nerves! Oh and the girls at work are like "Just let him take you out and make him pay." FUCK NO! I'm married and even if I wasn't...NO! Ew! I hope he doesn't come back, but I know he will...and it's not like I'm gonna turn down his money. I hate having regulars!!!!!

Vyanka
06-29-2015, 08:31 AM
Ohh where are you taking her? :)

Happy hour at a few upscale bars/restaurants.

Selina M
06-29-2015, 08:41 AM
I have no idea what I would actually want to do if getting an MD didn't happen. I would happily be a degree collector though!

baer45
06-29-2015, 09:58 AM
I could not stand some people with strong body odor. It's not like they are poor, it's just disrespectful to see me like that.

HoolaTwister
06-29-2015, 10:12 AM
I could not stand some people with strong body odor. It's not like they are poor, it's just disrespectful to see me like that.

I feel the same. I have a regular who shows up totally disheveled and smells like he didn't take a shower. His clothes have tons of stains on them, always. This guy is a grown man, in his 40's! He's got $$$$$$$$. Yet he complains the only attention he gets is at the club. I have had countless conversations with him where I politely pointed out what maybe the problem is and he never ever takes the advice. How hard is it to take a shower and wash your clothes?!
I now avoid him.

whirlerz
06-29-2015, 10:16 AM
I How hard is it to take a shower and wash your clothes?!
I now avoid him.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

carmen_b
06-29-2015, 02:04 PM
Yes! Haha. It's been years since a breakthrough like this for me, but 4-5 years ago, I preferred my customers company to TWO back to back guys I was starting to see ( I ditched them both after the realization ).
There's seriously a problem when customers treat you better than guys you date :banghead:

carmen_b
06-29-2015, 02:06 PM
Not to mention... It's pretty easy to " pretend " to have a normal income if he really wants to. I guess it would require some details like not using his real name though which could be a hassle.


^ Maybe it's my innate distrust of men, but I can't help but wonder if he's just playing you with all that victim talk. Unless he's an heir or happened to get super lucky with stocks, it's unlikely that he became a millionaire by being a doe-eyed, naive sweetheart.

lynn2009
06-29-2015, 03:28 PM
My copy of Ho Tactics arrived today! I shall now start reading before doing any work for class.

wednesday86
06-29-2015, 05:10 PM
i had sex seven times with my husband yesterday..............seven...............times.. ......................i think he's getting hornier with age.

BarbieNYC
06-29-2015, 05:20 PM
I've been back home in LA a day and so far have had tacos, korean food, and in n out burger.

I need to slow my roll, but damn all the food is so good. If I don't chill, I'm gonna gain back all the weight I lost in ny. Weighed myself at the korean spa and I still am nowhere even close to the weight I was in california. Thank goodness.

I'm also kicking myself for ever leaving my home. Currenty people watching the drive thru at in n out and drooling over all the cars and gorgeous 6ft tall 2nd generation mexican men. When people say mexicans arent good looking, theyve obviously never been to california. I wanna sit on everyone's face right now.

michele11
06-29-2015, 05:42 PM
All I talk about on here anymore is my cat, my anxiety, rental properties. I rarely talk about work and when I do I don't mention dollar amounts. So I am one of the most traveled dancers here and do give lots of advise and help people. i won;t be shamed into not posting once in a while when someone is ungtateful how they should listen to the more experienced, successful dancer and i'm proud i've been asked to train girls. If it bothers people I'm proud of my accomplishments too bad! There are enough girls who mention what they make everyday and blah. blah and they get complained about two. or the girls I guess who complain they only made 400? If that bothers some of you all that much. Idk maybe you should stay ut of dancing related threads.

Selina M
06-29-2015, 06:02 PM
or the girls I guess who complain they only made 400? If that bothers some of you all that much. Idk maybe you should stay ut of dancing related threads.

:/ I've been guilty of being annoyed by that, because it's kind of ungrateful in one sense... they could be working a job where they DON'T make $90/hour... I think some girls need a reality check at times. And I will admit to being semi-jealous because I can't go on 2 week long trips to follow the money, and when it's not season here $400 is a pretty lofty aspiration.

Me: I just downloaded WoW again. My friends from high school started a raiding group and I said what the hell, at least it's a cheaper hobby than shopping.
Also makes me feel stupid because I remember one of my first non-stripping posts here, I was pissed that my ex was playing WoW all night and ignoring me... that will definitely not be me lol

wednesday86
06-29-2015, 06:46 PM
:/ I've been guilty of being annoyed by that, because it's kind of ungrateful in one sense... they could be working a job where they DON'T make $90/hour... I think some girls need a reality check at times. And I will admit to being semi-jealous because I can't go on 2 week long trips to follow the money, and when it's not season here $400 is a pretty lofty aspiration.

Me: I just downloaded WoW again. My friends from high school started a raiding group and I said what the hell, at least it's a cheaper hobby than shopping.
Also makes me feel stupid because I remember one of my first non-stripping posts here, I was pissed that my ex was playing WoW all night and ignoring me... that will definitely not be me lol

Omg I just downloaded WoW this week too! Haha!! I have another 10 days before my husband moves here, school doesn't start til August...so in between work I'm just sitting here with nothing to do. It's a nice little time sink and I think it's better for your brain than watching tv.

amberlly
06-29-2015, 07:20 PM
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xStacey
06-29-2015, 10:16 PM
Ugh I'm fantasizing about hot millionaire CEO with whom I have a date next week. He turns me on so much, from the way he talks to me and everything else, can't sleep with him on the first date, can't sleep with him on the first date... Especially if I want to convert him into a high paying sugar daddy... I don't know if I will be able to resist. Ahhhhh!!!! :guilty:

Selina M
06-29-2015, 10:17 PM
Omg I just downloaded WoW this week too! Haha!! I have another 10 days before my husband moves here, school doesn't start til August...so in between work I'm just sitting here with nothing to do. It's a nice little time sink and I think it's better for your brain than watching tv.

That's totally what it is. It's a decompressing thing. I have a really hard time shutting "off" and stopping my mind from racing endlessly, so it helps to sit and do nothing with any real thought, in a fantasy world, for 2 hours.

I suppose that's the strip club experience for customers as well!

Genoveve
06-29-2015, 10:40 PM
:/ I've been guilty of being annoyed by that, because it's kind of ungrateful in one sense... they could be working a job where they DON'T make $90/hour... I think some girls need a reality check at times. And I will admit to being semi-jealous because I can't go on 2 week long trips to follow the money, and when it's not season here $400 is a pretty lofty aspiration.

I feel like money is totally subjective in that what one person considers to be a little bit of money, another may consider it to be a lot and vice versa. If a girl makes $100 a shift and is thrilled with that and considers it to be a lot of money, who is anyone to tell her that it's not and that she better fix her hustle? And conversely, if a girl makes $400 and considers it a bad shift because she's used to making a lot more, who is anyone to tell her that she's wrong for her disappointment? And where would the argument stop because by using it someone could also say that people working part-time in a fast food restaurant should be grateful and never complain about the wages they make because there's factory workers making only cents in plenty of parts of the world. I think everything is relative.

It reminds me of back when I worked in clubs and I'd work with mothers that would get very resentful towards whoever was out-earning them that day because 'it wasn't fair' since they 'had kids to feed at home.' Whenever I'd hear that I'd think to myself 'Ummm it's no one else's fault that you got yourself in a pickle.' That entitlement always irked me, them assuming that the universe just owed them at the expense of everyone else because they felt like their issues were 'more important'. <---Sorry for the off-topic rant but that can be my confession because it used to bother the crap out of me!

I understand your semi-jealousy too, as a camgirl I would consider a $400 shift to be pretty damn good!

Cashmere Star
06-29-2015, 10:43 PM
I want a cute boyfriend to make porn with. :3

Elektra Luxx
06-29-2015, 10:44 PM
Currenty people watching the drive thru at in n out and drooling over all the cars and gorgeous 6ft tall 2nd generation mexican men. When people say mexicans arent good looking, theyve obviously never been to california. I wanna sit on everyone's face right now.

Who says Mexicans aren't good looking!!! Thems fighting words!!! Mexicans and people of Mexican decent are very attractive. Sure not everyone is attractive, but overall we are good looking people. Who ever says that has never been to Texas either. That really pisses me off!!!

Elektra Luxx
06-29-2015, 10:56 PM
i had sex seven times with my husband yesterday..............seven...............times.. ......................i think he's getting hornier with age.

Wow!!! I went five times with my bf and I was looking for over sized clothes and a safe place to hide.

amberlly
06-29-2015, 11:07 PM
Im getting into the ebay thing! Just made $150 selling random school supplies. Still more stuff to go!