View Full Version : Maximizing OTC Options When Traveling (one man's view)
yoda57us
04-21-2010, 09:25 AM
Again, in my perfect world, all of this would be accomplished in a club style brothel, like you can see on that Cathouse show. After they do the "lineup", it appears at though the custy and his chosen girl get to spend some time at the bar getting to know each other.
LOL, The time at the bar is actually the negotiating period...
I like the whole idea of what you are talking about KS but the places would have to be vastly improved over what actually goes on at the legal brothels currently. I have seen a few ladies who worked in them and, honestly, they couldn't get out fast enough! In my world of mongering there are independent girls and agency girls. Both maintain varying degrees of control over when they work, who they see and how much they make. The agency girls obviously have to pay a fee for the services that their agency provides but beyond that they are pretty much in control. At the legal brothels it's an entirely different story. You give half of everything you make to the brothel, you have to be available 24/7 when you are "on" and you can't really say no to a guy if he picks you. On the up side the girls are protected and, of course, it's legal but the grossly inflated pricing added to all of the other negatives make it a no-go for me in it's current form.
I would really love to see something more along the lines of the way a strip club works where girls would pay a flat fee to work on the premises as an independent contractor. The brothel gets house fees, liquor revenue and a "room rental fee" similar to a VIP set up in a strip club. The ladies set their own rates, work when they want to work and, most importantly, have the right to not go with a guy if they get the wrong vibe from him.
I think it would be a blast to be able to go into the "club", find a girl that strikes my fancy (maybe a really hot eastern European type, for example), have a few drinks, buy a few lap dances (great tease/foreplay) and then retreat to a private room for the main event!
Hey, a guy can dream...}:D
Kylea2
04-21-2010, 03:23 PM
Again, in my perfect world, all of this would be accomplished in a club style brothel, like you can see on that Cathouse show. After they do the "lineup", it appears at though the custy and his chosen girl get to spend some time at the bar getting to know each other.
The issue with that is supply and demand. The moment something is legal or common the price starts to drop on it. For example, when I was in FL the dancers down there were offering in club full service for $200 - $500. $300 would get you lower end services OTC. In Alabama cheap dancers/escorts will straight out leave the club if a guy gives them $100 and agrees to pay a bit more for the night. I've had friends that have gone to the Bunny Ranch (legal & plenty of supply), and the guys want full service for $100.
From a customer's perspective it's a great solution to create a cabaret style brothel, because it will drive down the price. From the perspective of the entertainer it isn't good because it means less money for more work and/or risk.
KS_Stevia
04-21-2010, 04:14 PM
Like I said, this is my perfect world...not even remotely feasible in the reality of this country, USA, and the restrictive laws and uptight people. Its all conjecture on my side.
Kylea2
04-21-2010, 04:36 PM
^^^ Very true. Actually though, I think in some ways even I would appreciate this. It would give all the dancers who escort on the side someplace to go and sell their "goods" outright, which means there would be fewer of them in the regular gentlemen's clubs. If that were the case I'd be able to go to clubs that didn't offer these services and have less competition from extras girls who would rather be forth-right about what they are selling.
SPLUT
04-21-2010, 06:46 PM
I'm just left to wonder....does a ho you pulled out of a club give as good, or better service than a professional escort?
Kylea2
04-21-2010, 06:51 PM
^^^ I would think this is where the term "practice makes perfect" would come in handy.
rickdugan
04-21-2010, 06:59 PM
I'm just left to wonder....does a ho you pulled out of a club give as good, or better service than a professional escort?
I can't speak for everyone, but in my experiences a definate yes. This is especially true since you have the luxury of picking a girl in the club with the right attitude and personality, where in the dial a hoe arrangement you get what they send. Also, when you meet her at the club you can establish some rapport before the hotel visit, which is obviously not the case when her first contact with you is in the room.
Chili Palmer
04-21-2010, 07:13 PM
I'm just left to wonder....does a ho you pulled out of a club give as good, or better service than a professional escort?
Most of the time, the answer is an unequivocal yes. I've never had a dancer who had a time limit, and in almost every case, were a lot more enthusiastic and proactive, no matter how feigned that enthusiasm might have been. They've also rarely demanded the money upfront (true!), as they knew they'd be getting it at some point from me based upon their club experience.
I've been with escorts who claimed to be GFE, then told me (after the payment was handed over), their version of GFE didn't include kissing, etc. I've been with escorts who are a lot older than their pictures indicate, who wildly overexaggerated their cup size (a real sticking point with me), and who were real clock watchers.
Unfortunately, TER doesn't protect you as well as it claims, as many escorts have had their reviews pulled, and/or many fake reviews are posted. Aside from the lack of paper trail, the other reason dancers are preferable escorts for me is because their are no secrets: no hidden scars, no camera angles hiding extra weight, no room for lies on the size of their boobs, waist or ass, and they've already been successfully test driven in the club.
Yes, I've had terrific escorts (pornstar Lisa Lipps, and muscle girl Amber DeLuca were two), but their body of work preceded them. The sheer overkill of time and/or skills they exhibited, combined with great attitudes, amde them special. So many others just go through the motions, far moreso than dancers, in my experience.
CP
yoda57us
04-21-2010, 08:18 PM
I'm just left to wonder....does a ho you pulled out of a club give as good, or better service than a professional escort?
In my limited experience I would say yes. As I've already stated trying to get OTC in a club is not my preferred MO but it has happened and the experience was quite a bit of fun. Of course, the girl was a pro and I still see her so I guess in my case the deck is a bit stacked. She stopped dancing a few months ago but has been escorting since she came here from South America six years ago.
Honestly I don't disagree with any of the negatives being pointed out here when it comes to using escorts. I do however still prefer it and my selection process works well for me. I have ATF escorts just as I do ATF strippers when I'm local. The clock is never running, there is zero screening or hassle and when I set up a date I'm the only guy she is seeing that night, often that week. When I travel I have similar situations in some cities and other times I just see who's available and roll the dice. Honestly, a quick meaningless fuck with a beautiful total stranger is not the worst way to kill an hour or two on the road...
Chili Palmer
04-21-2010, 08:22 PM
honestly, a quick meaningless fuck with a beautiful total stranger is not the worst way to kill an hour or two on the road...
q f t
rickdugan
04-21-2010, 08:57 PM
I have ATF escorts just as I do ATF strippers when I'm local.
I do too, they just happen to be one in the same ;)
As you conceded that there are definately downsides to escorts, I will concede that you make some fair points about the downsides of the club pickup approach. While some of us obviously think the club pickup approach is still preferable, I can see the other side of the coin for someone who is looking for the guaranteed score. To quote FBR, we are under a big tent here.
From the "clean" strippers' perspective, of course they will take the position that the club pickup approach is not optimal. It is not in their best interest to say anything else. Like it or not, however, sex services are a natural by-product of strip clubs and, where there are girls selling the fantasy by taking off their clothes, there will always be a certain percentage that take the money to provide the reality.
As Marlow Stanfield said to the convenience store security guard in an episode of the Wire:
"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."
WestCoast101
04-21-2010, 10:55 PM
I would really love to see something more along the lines of the way a strip club works where girls would pay a flat fee to work on the premises as an independent contractor. The brothel gets house fees, liquor revenue and a "room rental fee" similar to a VIP set up in a strip club. The ladies set their own rates, work when they want to work and, most importantly, have the right to not go with a guy if they get the wrong vibe from him.
many cities in south america have "strip clubs" just like that.
Kylea2
04-22-2010, 12:07 AM
^^^ Don't forget the little island vacation spots where you get to mingle with all the girls and then choose one of your liking. Honestly, I don't know why more men do go to those or even seem to know about them.
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 01:07 AM
many cities in south america have "strip clubs" just like that.
Yes, I have seen several Brazilian escorts here in the US who worked in the "Termas" back home.
laurcon
04-22-2010, 01:33 AM
I think it would be a blast to be able to go into the "club", find a girl that strikes my fancy (maybe a really hot eastern European type, for example), have a few drinks, buy a few lap dances (great tease/foreplay) and then retreat to a private room for the main event!
Hey, a guy can dream...}:D
lol, and how is this different from present-day strip clubs? ::)
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 06:40 AM
lol, and how is this different from present-day strip clubs? ::)
Haha! In some cases it's not!
KS_Stevia
04-22-2010, 09:51 AM
lol, and how is this different from present-day strip clubs? ::)
Sex!!! :P
rickdugan
04-22-2010, 09:59 AM
lol, and how is this different from present-day strip clubs? ::)
Sex!!! :P
LOL KS, I think his point was that at some strip clubs there really IS sex in the champagne room ;) Hence they serve as the [illegal] equivalent of the unique type of bordello being theorized in earlier posts.
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 12:25 PM
LOL KS, I think his point was that at some strip clubs there really IS sex in the champagne room ;) Hence they serve as the [illegal] equivalent of the unique type of bordello being theorized in earlier posts.
LOL, Sex? In the champagne room!? Shocking I say!:O
By the way, the little pink bow in Laurcon's post window would indicate that "He" is a she...
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 12:34 PM
I do too, they just happen to be one in the same ;)
As you conceded that there are definately downsides to escorts, I will concede that you make some fair points about the downsides of the club pickup approach. While some of us obviously think the club pickup approach is still preferable, I can see the other side of the coin for someone who is looking for the guaranteed score. To quote FBR, we are under a big tent here.
It's more than just the guaranteed score. While I like the safety and "sure thing" aspect of my regular favs there is also something to be said for the occasional thrill of not knowing exactly who is going to be knocking on my door and what's going to happen. Sure the TER review system is helpful in at least determining that the lady is for real but beyond that it's a roll of the dice. There have been girls that I screwed and couldn't get rid of fast enough, girls who stayed all night, girls who did the bare minimum and girls who showed up with a bag full of toys and lube who just wanted to blow my mind and have me blow theirs. Some I never see again and others that I have driven out of my way to see for years and years. My regulars actually love hearing my stories from the road!
KS_Stevia
04-22-2010, 12:51 PM
LOL, Sex? In the champagne room!? Shocking I say!:O
By the way, the little pink bow in Laurcon's post window would indicate that "He" is a she...
Oh Laurcon is MOST CERTAINLY a lady, I can attest to that. }:D}:D}:D
KS_Stevia
04-22-2010, 12:58 PM
When I set up a date I'm the only guy she is seeing that night, often that week.
How can you be sure of this though? Only date per night, that's feasible. But if a woman is a professional escort, isn't she likely to have several dates in a week?
mediocrity
04-22-2010, 01:03 PM
I love how the term takeout is used like the girl's a fucking pizza or something.
rickdugan
04-22-2010, 01:07 PM
By the way, the little pink bow in Laurcon's post window would indicate that "He" is a she...
Duly noted - sorry Laurcon :)
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 01:30 PM
How can you be sure of this though? Only date per night, that's feasible. But if a woman is a professional escort, isn't she likely to have several dates in a week?
Most of the time you can't be sure but my ATF escort has a real job and we are friends outside of the "hobby" so she has no reason, or need, to lie to me. I met her years ago when she worked for an agency but she retired from full time escorting a while ago and only sees four or five of her old regulars for supplemental income. She is UTR-no website, no advertising and no presence on TER or any of the other escorting sites. Lol, I've even been her "driver" a few times when she had appointments in my neck of the woods and I wasn't busy...(Oh God! I'm BEM/Phil lol)
The funniest thing happened a few months ago. She texted me to see if I wanted to have dinner with her after she finished her appointment with a guy in Boston who was in town attending a business meeting. I asked her where she wanted me to pick her up so that we both wouldn't have to pay to park again and it turned out that I was working the meeting that her customer was attending! Small freaking world!
Admittedly, It's a unique situation with my ATF. Most of the time you are right KS, you only know what they tell you. With other girls I don't even ask. The Brazilian chick I saw in Miami a few months ago was a great time but I could have been the fifth or tenth guy she saw that day. Worrying about that sort of thing is counterproductive if you want to see escorts. As long as you have a good time that's all that matters. It's like wondering if a stripper really likes you or not-a waste of time. As long as you have a good time that's all that matters. if the girl is any good she will know her limits and you won't know if you were the first or last guy she saw that day.
yoda57us
04-22-2010, 01:34 PM
I love how the term takeout is used like the girl's a fucking pizza or something.
It's funny you should say that. I'm always busting guy's balls on TER, the escort review site, for thinking exactly that way. Too many guys treat the whole thing like it's a call to Domino's. All I can tell you M. is that I don't see it that way IRL, even if it comes of that way in print.
Kylea2
04-22-2010, 01:41 PM
I love how the term takeout is used like the girl's a fucking pizza or something.
I know, right? Actually though, I use the term in the club to when guys approach me and I say "Sorry, we don't offer take out here". It's a gentle let down as opposed to saying, "WTF type of girl do you think I am?!"... keeps them on better terms.
Golden_Rule
04-22-2010, 07:26 PM
^^^ Dude, this is all just too much work and, quite frankly, too much of a financial risk vs. reward for my time and money.
I get laid on the road all the time. It's much easier to spend a little time on the internet exploring your options and simply making the right phone call...
I don't disagree with you regarding ease, but there are a few advantages in "dating" strippers...
There are any number or dancers who see a limited few customers for the purpose of getting "help" with their bills. It does require more work to get to the point where you are exchanging cash, in some form [gifts, vacations, help with bills, "loans", etc] for sex. We all know what that is but the primary benefit is this:
The women I speak of are in absolute denial of it. They will not, under any circumstances, consider what they are doing prostitution. This works out in your favor as since they can not bring themselves to think of what they are doing as prostitution they can not bring themselves to think of you as a "john". They don't treat you like one either.
So when it works you get a "friend and lover" who is prettier than your average escort, who isn't on the clock, is probably open to an extended date with dinner, maybe a show, and an over night stay [at least multiple hours] at what works out to be a flat rate that is considerably lower than a comparable escort would charge for the same amount of time, who doesn't give your "hooker sex" and is seeing far fewer men than the average escort.
Some guys think that is worth the extra effort.
[Yes, I know you have found escorts that meet the same criteria, except maybe for the reasonable price paid out over all for 8-16 hour dates, but what are the odds and how many of them are there. My personal experience is its a lot easier to find dancers that fit this criteria than escorts, and thus worth the time to try to do so.]
Kool-aid is for kids and sheep. My opinion is my own. You can try to make clever jokes if you like but that doesn't negate the fact that someone here other than a dancer thinks that you are full of shit.
I don't know the guy so I don't know if he is on the level or not. Sounds to me like he very well could be. I'll also state that the way he says he is going at it he might as well hire an escort. The approach is so blatant that it can't allow for the denial " what we are doing isn't prostitution" aspect that is essential to the "sugar daddy/baby light" scenario I'm talking about to take place.
It does happen in the clubs all the time, and I do know - personally and face to face - any number of guys still doing it besides my almost entirely retired from the P-4-P arena self.
There is sex in the champagne room and as most of us know it happens far more often than anyone wants to admit, but there is also sex outside the clubs and that happens a lot more often than anyone wants to admit as well.
Things are as they are and all the shouting and denial by dancers and custies in the world who don't want to see it doesn't change the truth of it.
Anyway... I know we have agreed to disagree on most of this so I am, basically, just using your posts to address the masses and not you particularly.
We can move the meeting if you prefer. :D
wishing well good Yoda-san...
Golden_Rule
04-22-2010, 07:40 PM
Also, if a girl sits with me, she always gets something for her time ($20-40) plus drinks (which some girls get paid on), even if my end goal with her does not pan out. Not a fortune, but better than nothing, particularly after she had been told that I never do dances in those places.
When I did this, and its been a bit now since I have [I am almost completely retired from the play for pay arena now days... just not that interested anymore so it has to be something totally special/unique to catch my attention... I've gone through phases like this before but this one feels different so it may very well stick this time - hell, maybe I am finally growing up :) ], I almost always sealed the deal in the VIP. Hustler, Penthouse, Delilah's Den down to the more mid-range clubs like Stilettos, the Flash Dance chain or Satin Dolls [the "Bada Bing" on the Sopranos] it works pretty much the same.
Dancers seeing "special friends" OTC in "sugar daddy light" sort of arrangements. Sex is always in play as money doesn't exchange hands without it, so legally there is no doubt what is going on but... no one is admitting it to themselves [well, I never denied what I was doing... but to suggest it as such to the dancer in question would queer the situation in a heartbeat].
Some psych post grad ought to do their thesis on the psychology of the men and women involved in such pay-for-play scenarios. Its bound to be a gas when its finished.
Golden_Rule
04-22-2010, 07:51 PM
Chances are the dancer will let all the other dancers know what you are up to and you will not succeed at your quest. At best, you will get one of the dirty STD dancers willing to go back to your hotel with you.
And here my experience differs as well.
These things end after a time. It is simply their nature [though I have had a few last quite some time and turn into real friendships after the P-4-P part was over]. On more than a few occasions I have had the dancer I was "seeing", when it was becoming obvious that things were drawing down, introduce me to amicable friends of hers with a good recommendation.
So quite to the contrary of your statement above, the dancers I have come to know in such ways have been a major link to other dancers I have come to know in such ways.
RBurgundy
04-22-2010, 07:58 PM
You aren't going to convince me.
Here's what I notice. Most guys that really have good amounts of money, they get references.
I agree with this, which is why I discounted the OP's recommendations on how to maximize options, and to stay away from upper end clubs. But instead of references from internet/friends, ask the people who really know -- VIP hosts.
This ain't that hard. When I go to a new club, I just go chat with the VIP host almost right away. Tip him/her $20/$40 and chat about the club. You can have a frank discussion of club rules, VIP costs, and girls they recommend. You tell them you want to have some fun, and believe me, they will recommend some girls. Tell him/her that you are going to have a couple of drinks, but to send one or two of those names by your table. Sit back and relax until one of the recommended ladies stop by. Plus, now you can actually tell the "wanna dance" girls that start coming up that you are waiting for someone else.
The interesting thing I have found is that women VIP hosts will actually be more frank about the girls than men. They will not only recommend fun girls, but tell you specifically girls to stay away from.
A little off topic since I am not saying these VIP hosts will tell you who is open to OTC.:)
Kylea2
04-22-2010, 08:24 PM
I agree with this, which is why I discounted the OP's recommendations on how to maximize options, and to stay away from upper end clubs. But instead of references from internet/friends, ask the people who really know -- VIP hosts.
I did mention the VIP host in my post I believe along with managers. It's pretty common to get information from them for the right price on who provides what services. However, they might tell you a bit faster if they know you are a personal friend of a good customer or someone they know. There's a combination of name dropping and money dropping that creates a synergy to quickly get the information that you are looking for rather than just handing over money and having a beat-around-the-bush conversation because they aren't sure if you are vice. It's the same problem you run into with many dancers. If a dancer knows for sure that you aren't vice she's much more likely to be frank with you about if she provides or who in her club does provide. In some places if vice came up to a dancer (let's call her Jane) and asked who provides, if she refers them successfully to Suzy, then Jane could get a ticket for assisting in solititation of prostitution. There's a good chance she'll just keep her mouth shut. However if someone name drops another John's name she recognizes, she'll happily refer you to the girls who provide for a bit of money.
Golden_Rule
04-22-2010, 09:22 PM
Totally agree with RB and Kylea2.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Flying FoM [friend of management] is the best way to go down the path we are discussing. Especially on the high end. I particularly agree with RB if not in your regular club(s). Though its usually a bit more than $40 in a place like the Hustler Club or PEC for an unknown. A regular on the other hand, that small tip isn't even required if you do regular business over a certain amount on a standard basis.
They'll seek you out to find out what makes you happy, and once they know you won't even have to ask. You'll be sitting at your table and a young lady will stop by and say, ""insert name of floor manager/general manager or VIP host" said I should come over and say hello."
WestCoast101
04-22-2010, 11:06 PM
^^^ Don't forget the little island vacation spots where you get to mingle with all the girls and then choose one of your liking. Honestly, I don't know why more men do go to those or even seem to know about them.
Certain enclaves in the Domican Republic have those, They are expensive, often using very hot euro eastern bloc girls, with locals as backups and that's why guys like Rush Limbaugh have been said to frequent them, and he actually got detained at the airport for flying in Viagra. I believe some are condom-optional deals, as the girls are purportedly tested 9 different ways, (perhaps the clients too if they want to volunteer it) and I believe that's the real sellling point.
KS_Stevia
04-23-2010, 08:40 AM
Certain enclaves in the Domican Republic have those
Yuppers. An elderly Dutch businessman I know (not from stripping) takes that trip to DR with his partners, and even his son-in-law, every year. The girls are delivered and he refers to them as 'chocolate treats.'
:-\::):O
mediocrity
04-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Some of ya'll impress me with your level of delusion.
yoda57us
04-23-2010, 07:51 PM
So when it works you get a "friend and lover" who is prettier than your average escort, who isn't on the clock, is probably open to an extended date with dinner, maybe a show, and an over night stay [at least multiple hours] at what works out to be a flat rate that is considerably lower than a comparable escort would charge for the same amount of time, who doesn't give your "hooker sex" and is seeing far fewer men than the average escort.
I get all of that now from two different UTR ladies who are far from average looking...
rickdugan
04-25-2010, 04:20 PM
I agree with this, which is why I discounted the OP's recommendations on how to maximize options, and to stay away from upper end clubs. But instead of references from internet/friends, ask the people who really know -- VIP hosts.
A little off topic since I am not saying these VIP hosts will tell you who is open to OTC.:)
There is a lot of downside to taking that approach in a strange club.
1. You and the VIP host may not be on the same page as to what "fun" might mean, unless, of course, you are asking him who will blow you in the back room, but I suspect that you are being a little more circumspect than that;
2. This could put you on the club shit list, which means that you are under scrutiny for the rest of the night; and/or
3. You could be fed bad information and spend lots of time and $$$ before you realize that you were duped
I have also seen this work in one place where I was once a regular, but I would be hesitant to try it in a strange place. However, I have never seen a club host/manager help with an OTC option.
Philisophically I alway prefer under-the-radar OTC to ITC anyway. Not only does it drastically reduce fraud, but also ensures that I am not on candid camera in one of these rat holes.
yoda57us
04-25-2010, 09:00 PM
There is a lot of downside to taking that approach in a strange club.
I knew we would agree on something sooner or later rick...
Of course, RB's post has absolutely nothing to do with OTC, it's just a crap load of bad information about how to get extras in a strip club...
Yesterday I went to see a dancer friend who changed clubs a couple of weeks ago. I asked her how she was doing at her new club. She told me that the money is pretty good but the club is much heavier in the extras department than the place she left(she is clean dancer). Then she told me something that kinda shocked me considering the recent law changes in RI. One of the club's room hosts had told a regular customer who management is friendly with that my friend would "take care of him" in the VIP booth. In this case "taking care of" meant a HJ or BJ. Why would the room host assume that my dancer friend performs services that she doesn't? All we could come up with is the fact that she is Brazilian and, in the past, there have been a few South American dances who were not shy about performing extras. Again, the lady in question does not. Needless to say the customer was a bit disappointed. My dancer friend has not said anything to club management about the incident since she is now aware that extras are not only condoned but seemingly encouraged at the club and complaining won't do her any good.
The moral of my little story? If you are looking for action of the seamier variety and want to find out what a girl does just pony up some cash and ask her. Anyone working in the club has an agenda. They may be shilling for a favorite dancer or they may just be trying to show off to their friends but they do not have the customers best interests at heart.
JoeUnCool
04-26-2010, 06:34 PM
I knew we would agree on something sooner or later rick...
Of course, RB's post has absolutely nothing to do with OTC, it's just a crap load of bad information about how to get extras in a strip club...
Yesterday I went to see a dancer friend who changed clubs a couple of weeks ago. I asked her how she was doing at her new club. She told me that the money is pretty good but the club is much heavier in the extras department than the place she left(she is clean dancer). Then she told me something that kinda shocked me considering the recent law changes in RI. One of the club's room hosts had told a regular customer who management is friendly with that my friend would "take care of him" in the VIP booth. In this case "taking care of" meant a HJ or BJ. Why would the room host assume that my dancer friend performs services that she doesn't? All we could come up with is the fact that she is Brazilian and, in the past, there have been a few South American dances who were not shy about performing extras. Again, the lady in question does not. Needless to say the customer was a bit disappointed. My dancer friend has not said anything to club management about the incident since she is now aware that extras are not only condoned but seemingly encouraged at the club and complaining won't do her any good.
The moral of my little story? If you are looking for action of the seamier variety and want to find out what a girl does just pony up some cash and ask her. Anyone working in the club has an agenda. They may be shilling for a favorite dancer or they may just be trying to show off to their friends but they do not have the customers best interests at heart.
This does not surprise me. I've been to two clubs in the DC area that are fairly open about pimping their girls. I was just some guy that walked in off the street and it was offered up to me the first night in both clubs by management. I have no idea if the girls were giving management a cut or not, I just know it was offered to me. Thankfully, I declined and left figuring that was the best option.
Golden_Rule
04-26-2010, 10:52 PM
I get all of that now from two different UTR ladies who are far from average looking...
I know, but you've been at this a long time and the "average" [whatever that means] dabbler isn't going to be bumping into that kind of situation picking up a phone and calling an agency. Even a high end one.
Golden_Rule
04-26-2010, 10:53 PM
Some of ya'll impress me with your level of delusion.
And I am sure there are occasions when some of them all might suggest that feeling is mutual. :) [Hey, I said it with a genuine smile]
jasmine22
04-26-2010, 11:05 PM
OH rick rick rick......just get an escort. Why cant you do that? The thrill of the chase right.......sweetie pie let me tell u something. If your paying for sex......you've already shown that you don't know how to score or chase women. Real players get it for free.
But u already know that huh Rick? Thats why your posting this ridiculous thread trying to boost your ego by being an "expert" on picking up girls in the club who would fuck ANY guy with $$ lol!! That's like being the smartest kid in special ed. Your an idiot and a SUCKER.
Kylea2
04-26-2010, 11:09 PM
Haha - died laughing at that. Can't say much more other than it is sort of ironic.
rickdugan
04-27-2010, 05:04 AM
OH rick rick rick......just get an escort. Why cant you do that? The thrill of the chase right.......sweetie pie let me tell u something. If your paying for sex......you've already shown that you don't know how to score or chase women. Real players get it for free.
But u already know that huh Rick? Thats why your posting this ridiculous thread trying to boost your ego by being an "expert" on picking up girls in the club who would fuck ANY guy with $$ lol!! That's like being the smartest kid in special ed. Your an idiot and a SUCKER.
Now now jasmine - you mean I'm not a player and she is only screwing me for the money? Damn, where have you been all of these years? You could have saved me a lot of time and $$$ over the years :O
You are clearly a slow reader as there are lots of posts above that cover this ground, so I will try to make it easy for you to understand:
I monger at clubs because I get to evaluate the goods and the attitude before I try to screw her. Also note that this is an article about OTC when traveling in a strange city, which means that I often need to wade through the weak hustles to identify the willing.
Before you respond to this post with more stuff that has already been covered, you might want to read the posts above. Take all the time you need and read aloud if necessary ;)
Chili Palmer
04-27-2010, 03:12 PM
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laurcon
04-27-2010, 04:11 PM
I don't get what's so difficult. Just ask. You'll prob get many girls who are pissed off at you before you find one willing, but that's what you get for breaking the rules.
yoda57us
04-27-2010, 04:59 PM
I know, but you've been at this a long time and the "average" [whatever that means] dabbler isn't going to be bumping into that kind of situation picking up a phone and calling an agency. Even a high end one.
What's your point GR? Neither of us are "average" in our approach. We both reap the rewards of the individual approaches that we take. For that matter, even if I don't agree with him, so does the OP. I've seen newbies blow through a grand in a strip club in less than an hour because a dancer promised him something she had no intention of ever delivering on just as I've read accounts from guys on the escorting sites who got bait-and-switched or just plain bad service.
I'm not writing a how-to manual on where to find the best P4P sex. I just talk about my experiences and, when it seems appropriate, offer opposing points of view...
rickdugan
04-27-2010, 05:47 PM
I don't get what's so difficult. Just ask. You'll prob get many girls who are pissed off at you before you find one willing, but that's what you get for breaking the rules.
Well, with a thread this long I guess the same question is bound to pop up multiple times..
With the approach I use (and I'm sure there are other ways of doing this) most clean girls get filtered out quickly (and none the wiser) because they bolt as soon as they hear "no dances." If a persistent clean girl makes it to the later filtering round (rare), the issue is handled quietly with a tip and a thank you. When I have filtered my way to a girl that I like and is willing, bingo.
I've never had a bad reaction to this and I've done it in clubs all over the country. Now I'm not claiming any special mastery of anything here, only that this has been effective for me.
Despite what "clean" girls think about the "dirty" girls, in many clubs they are careful about doing this (as the results can be bad if they are caught). Someone waiving a wad and running his mouth off is usually not going to get any play from anyone, including a girl who might otherwise have been willing.
Smokeless
04-28-2010, 12:20 AM
"Well, with a thread this long..."
Rick, dear Rick: Search "OTC" in the various blue forums. You'll find threads many times the 100 (so far) posts in this one. And occasionally more interesting. And with many of the same points of view. Even with many of the same participants. (Save Jenny and many others, how we miss the dear departed!)