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jasmine22
04-28-2010, 12:41 AM
Now now jasmine - you mean I'm not a player and she is only screwing me for the money? Damn, where have you been all of these years? You could have saved me a lot of time and $$$ over the years :O

You are clearly a slow reader as there are lots of posts above that cover this ground, so I will try to make it easy for you to understand:

I monger at clubs because I get to evaluate the goods and the attitude before I try to screw her. Also note that this is an article about OTC when traveling in a strange city, which means that I often need to wade through the weak hustles to identify the willing.

Before you respond to this post with more stuff that has already been covered, you might want to read the posts above. Take all the time you need and read aloud if necessary ;)

Rick u just don't get it do u.

I read everything Rick. Every word. And u know what.....u should write a book since you have such a "vast knowledge" of how to score. You should call it " HOW TO SCORE WITH CHICKS" by Rick Dugan. Then the first page would read "PAY FOR IT. THE END"

Oh wait, no publisher would ever pick that up. Oh well. I guess ur stuck bragging on forums trying to feel like your somebody. Well your a nobody. Only a loser with a loser mentality would've posted what u did. I have more respect for men who pay for sex and go about their business, than some idiot trying to pretend like he actually has some kind of game.

jasmine22
04-28-2010, 12:45 AM
Chili Palmer......Rick thanked u in this post because u were able to capture exactly what he looks like:D



http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk17/chilipalmer99/Haters.gif

rickdugan
04-28-2010, 05:57 AM
Rick u just don't get it do u.

I read everything Rick. Every word. And u know what.....u should write a book since you have such a "vast knowledge" of how to score. You should call it " HOW TO SCORE WITH CHICKS" by Rick Dugan. Then the first page would read "PAY FOR IT. THE END"

Oh wait, no publisher would ever pick that up. Oh well. I guess ur stuck bragging on forums trying to feel like your somebody. Well your a nobody. Only a loser with a loser mentality would've posted what u did. I have more respect for men who pay for sex and go about their business, than some idiot trying to pretend like he actually has some kind of game.


I agree with a previous post that there is no way to have a rational conversation about OTC on this board. The end result is always going to be some headcase (see above) getting worked up about it.

Now I've tried to be respectful, including keeping my opinions on the blue side. Nonetheless I realize that this is not a monger house, but really? :P

So jasmine honey, I hear your self righteous indignation. I see from some of your other posts that you are a good girl. You are obviously at the top of your game and would never need to stoop to "dirty" deeds.

You just keep shaking that ass and hustling non-english speaking indians to scrounge up that $300 per shift that you are so happy to have. While other girls at your club may be beefing up their wads with after hours stops, at least you earned your money clean.

You're a hero - really ;)

JoeUnCool
04-28-2010, 06:41 AM
I can honestly say that I have no idea what the discussion is about anymore. It seems that this thread has really degraded. I'd suggest that everyone just drop the subject.

rickdugan
04-28-2010, 07:33 AM
I can honestly say that I have no idea what the discussion is about anymore. It seems that this thread has really degraded. I'd suggest that everyone just drop the subject.


All in good fun. I posted this first as a conversation starter for OTC on the road and second to gauge reactions to it. It has been an interesting thread.

Smokeless
04-28-2010, 09:23 PM
^^^ If you do say so yourself.

Chili Palmer
04-28-2010, 10:05 PM
The defense rests:

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/story/Police-release-600-page-client-list-in-AZ/ka-x9Ifdb0G0f77DG3ycyQ.cspx

I'll take fucking anonymous dancers for $400, Alex.

CP

Kylea2
04-28-2010, 11:14 PM
^^^ That's a case where the government is in the wrong though. Actually, I'd like to see this type of thing go to supreme court.

1. Most customers don't know which agencies operate legally vs. illegally

2. There's no way to prove based off a list who actually was a "john" in prostitution. If he hired an escort for a date/company or "party call".

Chili Palmer
04-28-2010, 11:44 PM
^^^ That's a case where the government is in the wrong though. Actually, I'd like to see this type of thing go to supreme court.

I'm sure you would, but the 600 pages of customers don't get the comfort of sitting back in an ivory tower and watching the results.



1. Most customers don't know which agencies operate legally vs. illegally


Huh? Most customers want an agency that operates illegally. That's the whole fucken point. No one but a pansy willingly or knowingly pays $500 for a private entertainer to simply strip in front of him without any contact. We want sex, and the agencies listed in this bust were the ones who had the best reps (for not being ripoffs) in Phoenix.



2. There's no way to prove based off a list who actually was a "john" in prostitution. If he hired an escort for a date/company or "party call".


Whew, I'm sure that's a great relief to them, especially after each and every one of them are visited by the Maricopa Sheriff/Phoenix PD at dinner time, or at their place of business, or on a message left on the family phone's voice mail (because that's exactly what they do). I'm sure their wives won't be angry at all because it was just a "party call." ::)

CP

jasmine22
04-29-2010, 01:41 AM
I agree with a previous post that there is no way to have a rational conversation about OTC on this board. The end result is always going to be some headcase (see above) getting worked up about it.

Now I've tried to be respectful, including keeping my opinions on the blue side. Nonetheless I realize that this is not a monger house, but really? :P

So jasmine honey, I hear your self righteous indignation. I see from some of your other posts that you are a good girl. You are obviously at the top of your game and would never need to stoop to "dirty" deeds.

You just keep shaking that ass and hustling non-english speaking indians to scrounge up that $300 per shift that you are so happy to have. While other girls at your club may be beefing up their wads with after hours stops, at least you earned your money clean.

You're a hero - really ;)




How would u know how much $$$ i make per shift Rick? Can u please quote me on that? Is that the best u have Rick? I completely broke down everything u said in ur post to prove how ridiculous it was, and u come back at me with some bs u made up? Now now little boy.........settle down! I know how much i bothered u by expressing my opinion that u had to click on my name and read my other posts lol!! I love this more than anything thank u for entertaining me douchebag:)

I love messing with this guy.

rickdugan
04-29-2010, 05:35 AM
How would u know how much $$$ i make per shift Rick? Can u please quote me on that? Is that the best u have Rick? I completely broke down everything u said in ur post to prove how ridiculous it was, and u come back at me with some bs u made up? Now now little boy.........settle down! I know how much i bothered u by expressing my opinion that u had to click on my name and read my other posts lol!! I love this more than anything thank u for entertaining me douchebag:)

I love messing with this guy.

Get it all out honey, you'll feel better ;)

rickdugan
04-29-2010, 06:07 AM
..., but the 600 pages of customers don't get the comfort of sitting back in an ivory tower and watching the results.

Whew, I'm sure that's a great relief to them, especially after each and every one of them are visited by the Maricopa Sheriff/Phoenix PD at dinner time, or at their place of business, or on a message left on the family phone's voice mail (because that's exactly what they do). I'm sure their wives won't be angry at all because it was just a "party call." ::)
CP


Another chilling one was the Wall Street Madame.

http://lafiga.firedoglake.com/2009/02/06/stimulus-package-madame-claims-wall-street-fat-cats-charged-girls-on-corp-credit-cards/

She eagerly coughed up her client list, with all the gory details, in the hopes of getting her sentence reduced. Hell, she even whined to reporters about the fact that they were prosecuting her and would not go after her clients.

yoda57us
04-29-2010, 07:49 AM
Whew, I'm sure that's a great relief to them, especially after each and every one of them are visited by the Maricopa Sheriff/Phoenix PD at dinner time, or at their place of business, or on a message left on the family phone's voice mail (because that's exactly what they do). I'm sure their wives won't be angry at all because it was just a "party call." ::)
CP

Exactly, when it comes to prostitution guilt, or proof of guilt, is really secondary to being outed publicly in the first place. Your name being on an agency customer list is actually not enough to get you convicted but it is plenty good enough to get you investigated if the police want to do so.

I stand by my preferences when it comes to P4P sex. I am aware of the risks and do the best I can to minimize them. Some guys are idiots. They forget that even though it's very easy to get an escort in the internet age it is still completely illegal. I never allow myself to get that cocky...

yoda57us
04-29-2010, 07:52 AM
I can honestly say that I have no idea what the discussion is about anymore. It seems that this thread has really degraded. I'd suggest that everyone just drop the subject.

or you could just stop reading the thread...

Kylea2
04-29-2010, 02:06 PM
I'm sure you would, but the 600 pages of customers don't get the comfort of sitting back in an ivory tower and watching the results.



Huh? Most customers want an agency that operates illegally. That's the whole fucken point. No one but a pansy willingly or knowingly pays $500 for a private entertainer to simply strip in front of him without any contact. We want sex, and the agencies listed in this bust were the ones who had the best reps (for not being ripoffs) in Phoenix.



Whew, I'm sure that's a great relief to them, especially after each and every one of them are visited by the Maricopa Sheriff/Phoenix PD at dinner time, or at their place of business, or on a message left on the family phone's voice mail (because that's exactly what they do). I'm sure their wives won't be angry at all because it was just a "party call." ::)

CP

You know that arguing about this is basically like arguing over who has more right to privacy? It's an argument that neither side will ever win.

This is the issue, NONE of that information should be published. However, if something is going to be published don't you think it's better to have names published than full information? When a dancer gets caught doing something it's not just her name being published these days. It's her name, photo, and details of the crime being released to the public.

How many of these have we seen?!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0729051strip1.html

I think a lot of you would appreciate the dancer's argument a bit more if police placed undercover cops in strip clubs as dancers and posted photos with full information of the customers that tried to solicit for sex.

rickdugan
04-29-2010, 03:46 PM
This is the issue, NONE of that information should be published. However, if something is going to be published don't you think it's better to have names published than full information? When a dancer gets caught doing something it's not just her name being published these days. It's her name, photo, and details of the crime being released to the public.

How many of these have we seen?!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0729051strip1.html

I think a lot of you would appreciate the dancer's argument a bit more if police placed undercover cops in strip clubs as dancers and posted photos with full information of the customers that tried to solicit for sex.


Agree that publishing the info is ridiculous, especially since these offenses are minor misdemeanors.

I sometimes wonder if it is really fear of LE or something else for a lot of them. How many of the same dancers would perform sex for $$$ if it were legal? IMHO I think a lot of the girls who are "clean" now would answer that they wouldn't do it anyway.

Kylea2
04-29-2010, 08:00 PM
Agree that publishing the info is ridiculous, especially since these offenses are minor misdemeanors.

I sometimes wonder if it is really fear of LE or something else for a lot of them. How many of the same dancers would perform sex for $$$ if it were legal? IMHO I think a lot of the girls who are "clean" now would answer that they wouldn't do it anyway.

Well, I personally wouldn't do it either way - regardless of if it were legal. Those that know my background know why already. I worked as a counselor in San Francisco for people with HIV, AIDs & other life threatening illnesses. Before working there I was quite the sex fanatic. I had a lot of clients literally dying every week when I worked there though, and when you are around it that much it scares you a lot! If I weren't so scared of catching something though I honestly probably would have done porn by now, because I'm certainly not shy.

With that said, I do know a lot of clean dancers who would do it if it weren't illegal. When I work I hear probably 2-3 clean girls a week discussing these issues with their friends.

KS_Stevia
04-29-2010, 08:25 PM
Back in my day, I would have been willing to perform certain acts if it were legal and I was able to profit greatly from it. In fact, the sex-acts I did end up doing, I made a hell of a lot more than the going rate. Not so sure if that would be an option if it was legal. But I did strip in a country where prostitution was decriminalized and did ok as a stripper. Not great, but more than enough per night to live comfortably. Almost everyone coming into the SC wanted or expected extras/sex anyway, so it didn't make the job easier in that respect.

Chili Palmer
04-29-2010, 08:26 PM
You know that arguing about this is basically like arguing over who has more right to privacy? It's an argument that neither side will ever win.

This is the issue, NONE of that information should be published. However, if something is going to be published don't you think it's better to have names published than full information? When a dancer gets caught doing something it's not just her name being published these days. It's her name, photo, and details of the crime being released to the public.

How many of these have we seen?!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0729051strip1.html

I think a lot of you would appreciate the dancer's argument a bit more if police placed undercover cops in strip clubs as dancers and posted photos with full information of the customers that tried to solicit for sex.

Actually, I'm not arguing over theoretical privacy rights at all. That's your tangent, and it has nothing to do with my points vis-a-vis banging dancers OTC vs. the more traditional escort avenue in PFP activities.

As I noted in my earlier post in this thread, my focus when selecting PFP girls is risk aversion. I noted how concerned I was about leaving a paper trail (even if the trail is only a name and phone number), and, lo and behold, in my own city, a paper trail of johns appears just days later and it is 600 pages long. Pretty good fucken timing, if I do say so myself.

In the real world as it exists today, in my city and the cities I visit and have visited in the past, I would much rather find a dancer in a club and take her to my hotel room. It may be more expensive (as noted, I spend a lot in the club before I take her "home"), but for me the added expense is worth the not worrying about finding my name on a website that gets millions of hits per day, not to mention when background checks are run on me by employers, even if I am never charged with a crime.

Kylea, you are neither a monger nor an escort, yet you keep setting yourself up as an expert in both. In that sense, what Eric Stoner, xdamage and Golden Rule are to Pink, you are to Blue. Everything you "know" you've just been told by someone else or read somewhere, or you just make assumptions to fit your personal value system. Whatever. But just as you dancers loathe the customers who come onto Pink and tell you how to dance/hustle/etc., there's a whole lotta Blues who mirror image those feelings here.

CP

Kylea2
04-29-2010, 08:52 PM
Kylea, you are neither a monger nor an escort, yet you keep setting yourself up as an expert in both. In that sense, what Eric Stoner, xdamage and Golden Rule are to Pink, you are to Blue. Everything you "know" you've just been told by someone else or read somewhere, or you just make assumptions to fit your personal value system. Whatever. But just as you dancers loathe the customers who come onto Pink and tell you how to dance/hustle/etc., there's a whole lotta Blues who mirror image those feelings here.
CP

I'm not "setting myself up as an expert", however, I will speak on topics that I do know something about. You seem to be under the impression that I'm far distanced from all of this, an I assure you, that is not the case. One doesn't have to be fully involved to know what goes on.

In the past though I've been kind enough to directly tell people when I don't provide certain services. However, this conversation has really put a bad taste in my mouth in certain aspects. I'm beginning to think I'd take quite the pleasure in leading a few of these types on without actually saying it directly or following through... maybe losing a bit of money and not having anything to show for it would have you thinking twice about looking for such services in the clubs nilly willy.

Or there's always the "report it to the manager". If he's upstanding he'll kick guys like that out. If not he'll point them in the right direction... which still avoids wasting other girls' time.

mr_punk
04-29-2010, 09:41 PM
I can honestly say that I have no idea what the discussion is about anymore. Cliff Notes: (1) guy makes a thread exclaiming that a customer can bang a stripper OTC (let's not even mention ITC) like he discovered fire.

(2) strippers read the post and become saltier than a pirate sailing on the Dead Sea in a ship named the U.S.S Morton. of course, they have to reply or act all offended as if they just finished polishing the OP knob or something.

I'd suggest that everyone just drop the subject.LOL..getting the source of the problem (i.e.: strippers) to STFU or simply stay upstairs if these kind of threads offend them? wishful thinking.

Kylea2
04-29-2010, 09:53 PM
^^^ You missed the part about coming to an agreement that it would be nice to just legalize said services and have separate venues catering to what these guys want. However, the referral advice was also offered.

Smokeless
04-29-2010, 11:14 PM
Disdain regarding LE dumping lists of potential prostitution customers in the public domain (with all the consequences pertaining "thereonto") and horror at outing of dancers after questionable arrests???? LE is patting itself on the back! After all, half the battle in enforcement is the effectiveness of the deterrent, whether publication of lists or mug shots is legal, ethical, or otherwise appropriate.

I can't help but notice that the list of 600 came from Arizona. Seems as if the state is getting rather expert at legally questionable deterrents. But given the other examples (NY, Texas), they have no monopoly.

It seems as if illicit sex is always risky. Whether with an escort, a stripper, Craigs List, an affair, the neighbor's wife. Disease, discovery, blackmail, divorce, and more. But people seem to do it all the time. For the thrill, the gain, the sex itself, whatever. The argument above seems to center on where the least risk and greatest gain (or vice versa) might be. I'm not sure there's any answer. Only a long thread.

Golden_Rule
04-29-2010, 11:56 PM
Real players get it for free.

I was a swinger. I helped run one of the largest swingers organizations in the world at one time. People thought I had "game" [what ever the hell that means] I had sex with women all the time for "free".

You know what I learned?

Never to use absolutes but that said, no matter what gender you are sex is almost never free.

Whether it costs in the coin of social expenditure/obligation or cash there is almost always quid pro quo.

Golden_Rule
04-30-2010, 12:00 AM
What's your point GR? Neither of us are "average" in our approach. We both reap the rewards of the individual approaches that we take. For that matter, even if I don't agree with him, so does the OP. I've seen newbies blow through a grand in a strip club in less than an hour because a dancer promised him something she had no intention of ever delivering on just as I've read accounts from guys on the escorting sites who got bait-and-switched or just plain bad service.

I'm not writing a how-to manual on where to find the best P4P sex. I just talk about my experiences and, when it seems appropriate, offer opposing points of view...

When you put it like that I have no choice but to agree.

rickdugan
04-30-2010, 06:18 AM
I'm beginning to think I'd take quite the pleasure in leading a few of these types on without actually saying it directly or following through... maybe losing a bit of money and not having anything to show for it would have you thinking twice about looking for such services in the clubs nilly willy.

Not really a novel concept - some try exactly that. It's one of the main reasons I don't shell out much money to my OTC target in the club.

Also, I really didn't get the "nilly willy" sense from the blue posts. In fact, in almost all of the clubs where I found OTC girls I never overheard anyone openly talking about $$$-for-sex, and I am sure that I was not the only guy ordering off of the menu. IMO a lot of this happens discreetly.


Or there's always the "report it to the manager". If he's upstanding he'll kick guys like that out. If not he'll point them in the right direction... which still avoids wasting other girls' time.

In most clubs I doubt the manager would want to hear it, though I am sure that he would give you an appropriately shocked look. ;) If a manager kicked out every guy who inquired about OTC then I suspect he'd be booting a lot of the club's best spenders (in terms of dances, high-end liquor for himself and various girls, tips for the dancers and staff, etc.).

mr_punk
04-30-2010, 06:49 AM
^^^ You missed the part about coming to an agreement that it would be nice to just legalize said services and have separate venues catering to what these guys want. However, the referral advice was also offered.true, i did skip the part where you were building Xanadu. frankly, why you strippers continue to insist this idea would get some of your competitors and this type of customer out of the sc is beyond me. some girls like flying under the radar. the same applies to some customers (those with something to lose) as well. a visit to a sc (ie: unofficial brothel) is more easily dissembled than a visit to an official brothel. in the end, guys are still going to ask and girls are still going to give in the sc.

Kylea2
04-30-2010, 09:42 AM
In most clubs I doubt the manager would want to hear it, though I am sure that he would give you an appropriately shocked look. ;) If a manager kicked out every guy who inquired about OTC then I suspect he'd be booting a lot of the club's best spenders (in terms of dances, high-end liquor for himself and various girls, tips for the dancers and staff, etc.).

Rick, actually I have had guys get kicked out for this. In the past few years I've been much more accepting of these guys being in the club, but when I was younger I wasn't and would report them in a heartbeat. I do think it depends on the area. Obviously places like south Florida where a lot more girls are doing stuff and managers are getting paid, they don't really care as much. However, where I am at they still do care at most of the clubs. As a matter of fact I can only think of two clubs locally that "look the other way" on extras. One management is involved in, the other the girls are just paying off the bouncer.

Athenathefabulous
04-30-2010, 09:47 AM
In most clubs I doubt the manager would want to hear it, though I am sure that he would give you an appropriately shocked look. ;) If a manager kicked out every guy who inquired about OTC then I suspect he'd be booting a lot of the club's best spenders (in terms of dances, high-end liquor for himself and various girls, tips for the dancers and staff, etc.).

Yes, but one major incentive for a manager to boot an OTC hound out is if a customer is looking for girls to meet and spend money on OTC, then that money is not going to the club. If you come in, hunt for girls, and find one to take home and fuck for 500$, then that is 500$ that the manager would prefer to see spent at the club. So sometimes kicking out OTC hounds is really not a detriment to the club.

Just some food for though.

rickdugan
04-30-2010, 10:34 AM
Rick, actually I have had guys get kicked out for this. In the past few years I've been much more accepting of these guys being in the club, but when I was younger I wasn't and would report them in a heartbeat. I do think it depends on the area. Obviously places like south Florida where a lot more girls are doing stuff and managers are getting paid, they don't really care as much. However, where I am at they still do care at most of the clubs. As a matter of fact I can only think of two clubs locally that "look the other way" on extras. One management is involved in, the other the girls are just paying off the bouncer.


That's fair - I can't disagree that there are some regions where things are a little more uptight. Parts of the Midwest, Portland and Boston areas immediately come to mind.

I've never been kicked out of anywhere - I'll keep my fingers crossed. Maybe its because I am discreet, friendly, spend well at the bar and tip everyone for their time (if she sits for a while she gets something, regardless of other outcomes), but who knows.

I can say that if you kicked out every guy who went into a NYC club looking for something extra you might as well not open your doors to begin with. Similar, IMO, in many parts of the South (including a lot of states other than FL).

Wolverine
04-30-2010, 11:29 AM
Cliff Notes: (1) guy makes a thread exclaiming that a customer can bang a stripper OTC (let's not even mention ITC) like he discovered fire.

(2) strippers read the post and become saltier than a pirate sailing on the Dead Sea in a ship named the U.S.S Morton. of course, they have to reply or act all offended as if they just finished polishing the OP knob or something.


Whew! Thanks for that. I was beginning to wonder, but then again, isn't this the way ALL the threads of this type end up on here. As someone mentioned above, this really isn't a "monger" site. Hell, if it was, you'd even get a bunch of guys who stick with indy girls, agencies, street walkers, and/or MP's arguing against trying to take strippers home. Too much money, too much time, too much energy. Different strokes for different folks.

For me, strip clubs are where it's at, and there's not really anything anybody can say that would change that. It's what I like, it's what I know, it's what I'll stick with for as long as I can.

As for OTC when traveling, I tend to go to the strip clubs that offer quite a bit of mileage...you know, the places where the girls have a hand down your pants while sitting on your lap getting to know you and are practically fighting off all the other girls to give you their phone number. It doesn't take any "game" or sweet talking or whatever to get what you want. You're almost guaranteed to be leaving with a smile on your face from ITC action or with a girl in tow to your hotel. :P

rickdugan
04-30-2010, 12:40 PM
Cliff Notes: (1) guy makes a thread exclaiming that a customer can bang a stripper OTC (let's not even mention ITC) like he discovered fire.

A few blues have made similar comments, and after reading through more of the threads I understand why. I obviously posted into the site head first and admittedly deserve the hit for the directive/advice feel to it, particularly in a place so full of seasoned mongers. :-[ In hindsight I would have done it a little differently, but there it is.

rickdugan
04-30-2010, 12:50 PM
As for OTC when traveling, I tend to go to the strip clubs that offer quite a bit of mileage...you know, the places where the girls have a hand down your pants while sitting on your lap getting to know you and are practically fighting off all the other girls to give you their phone number. It doesn't take any "game" or sweet talking or whatever to get what you want. You're almost guaranteed to be leaving with a smile on your face from ITC action or with a girl in tow to your hotel. :P

A few of those types of clubs also exist in the areas I travel to, but the ones that I know are filled with pigs, hags and/or junkies, including girls likely to be any combination of the three. I admittedly have yet to find a good mid-tier club with attractive girls where it is quite THAT blatant, but I guess I will need to keep looking :)

yoda57us
04-30-2010, 02:38 PM
When you put it like that I have no choice but to agree.

LOL, I thought that you might!

yoda57us
05-01-2010, 06:57 AM
That's fair - I can't disagree that there are some regions where things are a little more uptight. Parts of the Midwest, Portland and Boston areas immediately come to mind.


LOL, Boston is beyond uptight! Twenty years ago when the downtown "Combat Zone" was in full swing it was a different story. Over twenty clubs jammed into a few square blocks on the edge of Boston's Chinatown. You could get take-out from the strip clubs almost as easily as you could from all the Chinese restaurants located in the same area. The two clubs that exist now are a different story. Very uptight and they are watched very closely by the city.

There are much better options club-wise west of the city and in Providence but most guys in town on business don't want to rent a car and drive 50 miles to try and get laid. This may be why it's so easy to find escorts in Boston.

rickdugan
05-01-2010, 10:01 AM
LOL, Boston is beyond uptight! Twenty years ago when the downtown "Combat Zone" was in full swing it was a different story. Over twenty clubs jammed into a few square blocks on the edge of Boston's Chinatown. You could get take-out from the strip clubs almost as easily as you could from all the Chinese restaurants located in the same area. The two clubs that exist now are a different story. Very uptight and they are watched very closely by the city.

There are much better options club-wise west of the city and in Providence but most guys in town on business don't want to rent a car and drive 50 miles to try and get laid. This may be why it's so easy to find escorts in Boston.

Yoda, if you are from the Boston area then I understand your perspective a bit more. I can tell you first hand that takeout can still be found at one of the two (you know which one) but it takes some patience and plenty of ITC spending - it is expensive to monger in Beantown and the ROI sucks.

What I found funny was some of the activity that has sprung up around the alley that those clubs are in. Working girls infest the area. Hell, I met traveling working girls just trying to pick up business in the bars on blocks surrounding the alley. Damn weird.

yoda57us
05-01-2010, 01:43 PM
I am from the Boston area but I gave up on Boston clubs fifteen years ago when the last decent place in "the zone" became a parking lot. The two places you speak of are not worth my time and effort. I can be in RI or Western Mass in about an hour and there is free parking.

As far as my preference for escorts over looking for sex in the club it is a complicated issue but what I do works for me. I go to clubs to hang out, not to score. A guy who has a reputation in the local clubs for trying to whore-monger is generally not looked upon with much favor. I have had a lot of good times in the clubs that I frequent, cultivated some wonderful and long-lasting friendships and, a few times, even wound up getting laid. I never walk in with that intent however and, in the cases where sex became part of the equation it was after the dancer retired or moved to a different club and their was no chance of the rumor mill kicking in at work.

Kylea2
05-01-2010, 01:54 PM
^^^ The rumor mill is a good point. While I know many "providers", and count a number as friends (some very close), many clean house dancers would have a fit if they found out a girl in their club was providing. That could even lead to physical confrontations.

yoda57us
05-01-2010, 02:11 PM
Exactly...

I am getting very close to closing the deal with a Brazilian gall that I've known for quite a few years now. She recently left her long-time club where she has a rep as a clean dancer (and she is). She has confided in me over the years that she sees men for sex but she does not market herself that way in the club. I've always thought that was the smart approach. Not only are you not getting a reputation that can will piss off other dancers and actually hurt your chances of making money ITC but you are free to do the escorting when you want to-not when a "live one" shows up at the club and wants it back in his hotel room after you've been working and getting groped all day...

rickdugan
05-01-2010, 04:11 PM
^^^I think we are approaching ground well covered. I guess the important thing is that each guy gets what he needs from it.

But as the topics of rumor mills and discretion were raised some things came to mind.

For various reasons, I have always tried to be discreet in my OTC activities and the girls that I have done OTC with have lots of reasons to be the same. However, recently I've had a couple of incidents that were irritating.

Instance 1: I go to a local club where heavy ITC extras don't happen (cameras and strict club controls) and known OTC is a firing offense. A few weeks ago I was in this club with a girl sitting next to me and a dancer that I've previously met OTC gets on stage for her set, spots me sitting with this girl, and yells over to her "I know him better than I know you" in a suggestive voice. Then, just in case the girl didn't get it the first time, yells the same thing again, even louder, ensuring that nobody near my part of the bar missed it.

Instance 2: In a club in the Carolinas I have a girl that I take out every so often. This club is a bit looser in its views, but still a place where known OTC causes problems. The last time I was there, she spotted me at the bar, hustled over into a quick chair straddle, reached down into my lap and made a loud graphic announcement about her intentions that must have been heard by about 20 people.
I wasn't happy about my activities being publicized in either case. Puzzled also, since these girls had always been discreet in the past.

These and other observations lead me to believe that it is getting much more aggressive in these clubs.

hockeybobby
05-01-2010, 05:46 PM
Yikes!!^^^

rickdugan
05-02-2010, 07:03 AM
Yikes!!^^^

Indeed. I am typically a transient club visitor as I travel alot, so I normally wouldn't care, but these are both clubs I am in fairly often.

I try to go to larger clubs and stay under the radar for lots of reasons, including sensitivity to being tagged as a known [insert your own description]. In the case of club #1, I'll probably need to stay away for some time for precautionary reasons.

For me (and I am sure that others with different perspectives would derive alternative morality lessons), the lesson learned from this is to exercise additional care by ensuring that my OTC choices have many reasons to keep their mouths shut.

yoda57us
05-02-2010, 10:33 AM
These and other observations lead me to believe that it is getting much more aggressive in these clubs.

I have noticed the same thing with both ITC and OTC offers for sex in the past year or so. The offers are getting more blatant and the competition is fierce. I visited a club last week and a dancer fav told me that two different bouncers had both offered her money for sex either in the VIP booth or OTC. Now, if the bouncers are asking that's a pretty good indication to me that it's open season for customers.

Golden_Rule
05-08-2010, 10:57 PM
I have noticed the same thing with both ITC and OTC offers for sex in the past year or so. The offers are getting more blatant and the competition is fierce. I visited a club last week and a dancer fav told me that two different bouncers had both offered her money for sex either in the VIP booth or OTC. Now, if the bouncers are asking that's a pretty good indication to me that it's open season for customers.

B.I.T.E.S.*

[no personal reference on the "S" part. its just part of the quote... like K.I.S.S.]



[*Because It's the Economy S*****d]

Smokeless
05-09-2010, 12:27 AM
Apparently the economy ain't that bad in Boulder or Denver, as I've not seen the same. Perhaps slightly more sensual dances, but I attribute that to favors for a regular, but nothing out of the ordinary or even illegal.

laurcon
05-09-2010, 10:41 PM
Apparently the economy ain't that bad in Boulder or Denver, as I've not seen the same. Perhaps slightly more sensual dances, but I attribute that to favors for a regular, but nothing out of the ordinary or even illegal.

I believe those cities have higher-end clubs where all "out of the ordinary" activities occur in the privacy of a champagne room, like NYC or Vegas.

Kylea2
05-09-2010, 11:08 PM
^^^ We don't have anything super high end clubs. However, either management cares about smaller extras or they don't. It's pretty "black & white" here without much of a grey area. I'm also 98% convinced that when management here doesn't care it means that they don't realize what the dancer is doing is illegal. Why? They haven't actually read the laws.

It's like that game "telephone", and by the time the laws have been passed through multiple layers of management half of them don't know what the laws really are.