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Dirty Ernie
05-01-2010, 09:52 AM
Dood, quit the neck sucking. Some women mark very easily and what she may have thought was a little nuzzle last night, is now a hickey from some d-bag that she has to spend time covering before work tonight.

And if it doesn't cover well, the girls at work talk, and that night's custies will think it's their job to mark the other side.

Seriously, aren't most people done with hickeys by high school? Can't give a ring to your H.S. gf? Claim your territory on her neck.

So when you come back to the club, you're not the guy who spent money on dances, you're the douche she got into an argument with her BF over her boundaries.

That's why they ignore you.

WestCoast101
05-01-2010, 10:11 AM
more contradictory comments:

((referring to the act of engaging in kissing with dancers) you state "The reason you've been able to do that is more than likely because you've never gotten dances from them, or either because they're unattractive."

So you've just made the attraction issue (NOT buying dancing purportedly being a plus) yet when I refute it, you claim now to have never brought it up.

Not sure how often you go to strip clubs, but only being kissed twice (if you are talking yrs and lots of money spent) would be low, and as others in here will affirm ( "Goldenrule" several months back with an excellent summary of the issue, as well as several dancers admitting they do it selectively now and then) so its at least some small segment of the business.

Remember. to put this in the proper context, I've bought dances from mulltiple 100's of dancers (plus pay to talk with many more) yet kissing would only involve 2 or 3 dozen dancers (although often multiple times with certain ones) so probably 9 in 10 visits its probably not even an issue, this being more incidental than anything. I do have it (though wary of the risks involved) in the back my mind often times, but its not something I am always looking for, and with very beautiful dancers (some just look kissable, e,g japanese doll types or certain hispanice beauties), i might be inclined to drop hints

Bob_Loblaw
05-01-2010, 11:42 AM
I can't tell you how many occassions I've spent a lot of money on a dancer(private lap dance), then when I'd come into the club a few weeks/month later, the same girls that I've spent money on getting private dances, will just ignore me and won't come up to me.

*Note*: this doesn't happen with every girl, but it happens a lot. I know this is not a case of them not recognizing me, because I know they do recognize me(in each instance, it wasn't that long at all since they last seen me). This isn't just one club it's happening in either. There has to be a reason for it(there's a reason for everything), I just can't figure it out for the life of me.
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_violin.gifAre you serious? You really can't figure it out on your own?

Quite simply, your antics in the club are gross and unwelcome. You may get away with it once with a particular dancer but it's quite clear that $600 isn't even worth it to her to tolerate you again for a few minutes. You my friend are creepy.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_biting.gif http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_naughty.gif http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_licking-1.gif

Strippers aren't any less worthy of respect or basic human decency. I'm not saying you have to put them on a pedestal or anything but you definitely should not be looking down on them and treating them as if they are beneath you as your actions certainly suggest. Change your behavior AND your mindset and then you can start to expect different results. Until you do so, you'll just get more of the same.

Oh, and stop talking about how attractive you are. The only thing dancers find attractive about a guy in the club is their wallet. Your physical attractiveness is irrelevant if you're seriously lacking in the wallet department. Besides, guys who make unsolicited comments on their good looks generally have the ugliest personalities one can come across. A little genuine modesty would go a long way.

Reb
05-01-2010, 12:09 PM
So you've just made the attraction issue (NOT buying dancing purportedly being a plus) yet when I refute it, you claim now to have never brought it up.


Yeah, disregard that, it came out of my mouth the wrong way. What I meant to say was, just because they kiss you, doesn't mean they're necessarily attracted to you.

Reb
05-01-2010, 12:18 PM
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_violin.gifAre you serious? You really can't figure it out on your own?

Quite simply, your antics in the club are gross and unwelcome. You may get away with it once with a particular dancer but it's quite clear that $600 isn't even worth it to her to tolerate you again for a few minutes. You my friend are creepy.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_biting.gif http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_naughty.gif http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u282/BobLoblaw61191946/th_licking-1.gif

Strippers aren't any less worthy of respect or basic human decency. I'm not saying you have to put them on a pedestal or anything but you definitely should not be looking down on them and treating them as if they are beneath you as your actions certainly suggest. Change your behavior AND your mindset and then you can start to expect different results. Until you do so, you'll just get more of the same.

Oh, and stop talking about how attractive you are. The only thing dancers find attractive about a guy in the club is their wallet. Your physical attractiveness is irrelevant if you're seriously lacking in the wallet department. Besides, guys who make unsolicited comments on their good looks generally have the ugliest personalities one can come across. A little genuine modesty would go a long way.

From now on I will ASK instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing it. Like I said earlier, if they didn't like me sucking on their necks, then they all should've said something to me right there on the spot. If a stripper can't tell me that she prefers that I don't suck on her neck, then shame on her for being so weak and passive, when she has 100% full control of the dance with absolutely nothing to worry about. Plus she's got five 6 foot bouncers in there. So she shouldn't be worrying about what a patron might think. It's so simple to just tell a patron nicely, "Sorry, I don't allow that during dances", or "Sorry, but it's not allowed in the dance".

Reb
05-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Your post may well be legit, but you seem to be getting into PUA stuff, and new PUA types often use this site as a type of test drive. For example your core premise, that dancers (by definition) automatically are never attracted to customers simply 1. simply by being at a strip club or 2. having to pay for dances - is easily provable as bullshit.


Even good looking guys who fear going up to women (in strip clubs or real life) are going to be tagged as week or passive non-Alpha types, its not exactly a plus for single guys. so that may be an issue you have. Of course in practical terms strippers are not going to avoid you a 2nd time simply because of that, (they could care less) but it will impact your real life, particularly if you get the dreaded (sincere, non-controlling, monogamous) "nice guy" label, a near kiss of death in regards to creating chemistry with hot women

Actually, I'll once in a blue moon do a few random cold-approaches, but most of the time I lack the guts. As a guy, it's vital he cold-approaches, because if there's one thing that stands true in the game, it's that no matter how good looking you may be, most women aren't phased. It doesn't make their vaginas flutter or get them wet. That's why I said attraction works different for them than it does for us. We see a hot chick, first thing that pops into our minds is, "Man, I wanna f*ck the sh*t out of that chick". When most(not all of course, but most) women see a hot guy, it's more like, "Ok, so you're hot, and? I'm not phased". I could definitely be hooking up and f*cking hot women regularly if I had more guts, but that's life. My good buddy cold-approaches hot women regularly with 95% success and doesn't even say or do anything special at all. This guy has also f*cked 3 Russian strippers for free that he met in the strip club. How hot they were, I don't know, but that's what he told me, and I believe him, because the guy does good with women.

Deogol
05-01-2010, 12:45 PM
Wow. What a thread.

Reb
05-01-2010, 12:50 PM
Wow. What a thread.

Lol, you can say that again. Feel free to chime in, I won't suck on your neck....lol.

yoda57us
05-01-2010, 01:00 PM
Yeah, disregard that, it came out of my mouth the wrong way. What I meant to say was, just because they kiss you, doesn't mean they're necessarily attracted to you.

proving that everyone has a clue at least part of the time...

laurcon
05-01-2010, 01:12 PM
From now on I will ASK instead of taking the bull by the horns and just doing it. Like I said earlier, if they didn't like me sucking on their necks, then they all should've said something to me right there on the spot. If a stripper can't tell me that she prefers that I don't suck on her neck, then shame on her for being so weak and passive, when she has 100% full control of the dance with absolutely nothing to worry about. Plus she's got five 6 foot bouncers in there. So she shouldn't be worrying about what a patron might think. It's so simple to just tell a patron nicely, "Sorry, I don't allow that during dances", or "Sorry, but it's not allowed in the dance".

She has nothing to worry about if she doesn't need to pay any bills. If on the other hand she happens to have those, she might be concerned about continuing to get money from you. Like Yoda said, she'll put up with it for the time being (because she's so shamefully weak and passive ::)), and then realize that that was disgusting and creepy and not worth $600 and she won't do it again.


I loooove having my neck kissed and can even orgasm from it. I have let a handful of good-looking customers pleasure me in that way, in a CR for several hundred/thousand, and would totally be into getting more money from them if they came back to the club.
If a random dude attempted that during a $20 dance, that would never fly, even in a 10 or 20 min booth. I wouldn't say "I don't allow that", I would just try to squirm away or laugh and say "that feels weird".
I know you know everything about women and strippers, but its not "so simple to tell a patron nicely" that you find him disgusting and would never want his saliva on any part of your body. Esp when you're supposed to be selling the opposite fantasy, of how you want him so bad if only we were allowed to take off all our clothes and fuck right now, we'd so be doing it! ::)

Also perhaps you are Indian and smell like curry?

Sometimes as a dancer you get into a situation where you have to put up with shit you're not 100% comfortable with at the time, or deal however you can, but when the option is presented to put yourself in that situation again, you'll steer clear no matter the price.

WestCoast101
05-01-2010, 01:47 PM
Yeah, disregard that, it came out of my mouth the wrong way. What I meant to say was, just because they kiss you, doesn't mean they're necessarily attracted to you.


You seem to be muddling up strip club issues with real life issues. The (dancer toward customer) "attraction" issue in a strip club (to the extent it ever exists at all) is an irrelevant side issue, something married guys usually intuitively understand and unattached single guys often seem not to get.

I am already well aware that the willingness of a dancer to kiss a customer has very little to do with attraction, even if she is the one initiating it.

I've seen the pattern before on other threads as justifications for bad behavior, the idea that dancers HAVE to affirmatively give you a wake up call expressing their disapproval - the lack thereof you use as proof that it must therefore be OK. Sucking on necks is not OK, nor is as has been discussed at length in other threads, doing the cheap ass freebie hangout "friend" thing over extended periods, with dancers clearly working on a job to make money.

Its really basic common sense, but very hard to explain to those that seem to lack it.

WestCoast101
05-01-2010, 02:36 PM
I loooove having my neck kissed and can even orgasm from it. I have let a handful of good-looking customers pleasure me in that way, in a CR for several hundred/thousand, and would totally be into getting more money from them if they came back to the club.


The OP has never precisely defined what he means by "sucking" their necks. however it has to be something extreme, something far more extreme than moderate to light (mostly dry) kissing under the earlobes or around the neck, which many of us guys obviously love to do, since especially with equisitely beautiful women, this region is among the areas we find unusually compelling. In high contact clubs. a sizable minority of dancers are perfectly willing, and will actually position themselve to be kissed in precisely such a manner. and these are dancers who otherwise might avoid normal kissing, due to risk of germs etc.

The OP has to be leaving something out, some other factor, or how over the top this 'suckiing' must be. Dancers of course want repeat business, and only something very werid is going to make them want to avoid a big spender a 2nd time.

peppper1
05-01-2010, 04:15 PM
Attraction doesn't figure into it. The fact that you think they would like you sucking on their neck leads me to believe you have bought into the fantasy. They sell a fantasy, some of us buy it. In the end though they are not thinking about going home with you, having sex with you or anything else. They are thinking about how much money you are willing to spend. Oh , sucking on their neck? If they allow you to do that (not saying they do or don't) how many other guys have slobbered on their neck before you!

Reb
05-01-2010, 04:24 PM
The OP has never precisely defined what he means by "sucking" their necks. however it has to be something extreme, something far more extreme than moderate to light (mostly dry) kissing under the earlobes or around the neck, which many of us guys obviously love to do, since especially with equisitely beautiful women, this region is among the areas we find unusually compelling. In high contact clubs. a sizable minority of dancers are perfectly willing, and will actually position themselve to be kissed in precisely such a manner. and these are dancers who otherwise might avoid normal kissing, due to risk of germs etc.

The OP has to be leaving something out, some other factor, or how over the top this 'suckiing' must be. Dancers of course want repeat business, and only something very werid is going to make them want to avoid a big spender a 2nd time.

Westcoast, when I say "sucking on their neck", I mean gently sucking on it, the way you'd suck on tits. Nothing extreme.

sxcbbw
05-01-2010, 04:35 PM
She has nothing to worry about if she doesn't need to pay any bills. If on the other hand she happens to have those, she might be concerned about continuing to get money from you. Like Yoda said, she'll put up with it for the time being (because she's so shamefully weak and passive ::)), and then realize that that was disgusting and creepy and not worth $600 and she won't do it again.


I loooove having my neck kissed and can even orgasm from it. I have let a handful of good-looking customers pleasure me in that way, in a CR for several hundred/thousand, and would totally be into getting more money from them if they came back to the club.
If a random dude attempted that during a $20 dance, that would never fly, even in a 10 or 20 min booth. I wouldn't say "I don't allow that", I would just try to squirm away or laugh and say "that feels weird".
I know you know everything about women and strippers, but its not "so simple to tell a patron nicely" that you find him disgusting and would never want his saliva on any part of your body. Esp when you're supposed to be selling the opposite fantasy, of how you want him so bad if only we were allowed to take off all our clothes and fuck right now, we'd so be doing it! ::)

Also perhaps you are Indian and smell like curry?

Sometimes as a dancer you get into a situation where you have to put up with shit you're not 100% comfortable with at the time, or deal however you can, but when the option is presented to put yourself in that situation again, you'll steer clear no matter the price.

Reb, just read this over and over til you get it.

Reb
05-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Attraction doesn't figure into it. The fact that you think they would like you sucking on their neck leads me to believe you have bought into the fantasy. They sell a fantasy, some of us buy it. In the end though they are not thinking about going home with you, having sex with you or anything else. They are thinking about how much money you are willing to spend. Oh , sucking on their neck? If they allow you to do that (not saying they do or don't) how many other guys have slobbered on their neck before you!

I never said I think they would like me to suck on their neck. I take that risk by just going for it during the dance, and if they'd respond unfavorably or tell me to stop, then I'll know for sure they don't want me doing it. The girls that do allow it, the majority of times, it's not that they WANT the guy to suck on their neck, it's just that they don't mind if the guy wants to do it.

You've got to be a real idiot to fall into the act or fantasy. And I can tell you right now, that's never been me..not even close. I know 99% of these women want nothing to do with me, so I'm not going to fall for anything. The only way I'd be convinced that a dancer "wants" me, is if we fuck for free. Lots of times the acting is so bad too, lol. I usually end up laughing in a lot of these dancers faces when they approach me with certain corny lines, or start doing other things that are such giveaways that it's an act. I'm not a dick about it, but I let them know I know the deal exactly and am not an idiot.

Reb
05-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Also perhaps you are Indian and smell like curry?


Nope, not Indian and don't smell like curry. I'm always making sure I smell nice when I walk into strip clubs. And that includes the breath too. Aside from brushing my teeth, I also constantly chew gum to keep the breath smelling fresh.

hockeybobby
05-01-2010, 05:36 PM
Maybe you just remind them of curry?

:D

M3wlove
05-01-2010, 05:54 PM
or of used condoms? :)

M3wlove
05-01-2010, 05:56 PM
i really wanted to say something useful but...i guessed it wouldnt be useful at all after 3 pages of witty comebacks, useful advice, and upset responses. this really reminds me of PUA stuff i've read online and i find most of that offensive. it's so simple..the op already has his answer...just dont suck on the girls necks and they'll approach you. jeez.

Sia
05-02-2010, 08:21 AM
I usually end up laughing in a lot of these dancers faces when they approach me with certain corny lines, or start doing other things that are such giveaways that it's an act. I'm not a dick about it, but I let them know I know the deal exactly and am not an idiot.

It's also likely that girls deal with you once, then don't want to put up with your bad attitude again. I know that I much prefer to be around positive happy people that are there for a good time.....not to laugh at and ridicule dancers.

charlie61
05-02-2010, 10:52 AM
::searches for legitimate excuse to close thread. fails.::

Reb
05-02-2010, 01:38 PM
It's also likely that girls deal with you once, then don't want to put up with your bad attitude again. I know that I much prefer to be around positive happy people that are there for a good time.....not to laugh at and ridicule dancers.

I just told you that I'm NOT a dick about it, did I not? That means, when I laugh, I do it in a playful way that indicates I get a kick out of them, yet letting them know at the same time that I know what's up.

Too many sensitive people around here. This thread since it has started has gotten way too personal. I have not done anything wrong(I came here asking for some insight, and got the uptight/sarcastic treatment from a few dancers and manginas) and stand by my convictions, that if a dancer is so "offended" that I'm sucking on her neck, she should at least tell me so, and I'd have no problem with it. I'm not a psychic who can read people's minds. If someone doesn't want me doing something, I'll gladly stop; just tell me. Ladies, you need to start taking more control and setting boundaries when you give lap-dances. You are in 100% control of that dance, not me or anyone else. Patrons of strip clubs are not mind-readers. What doesn't make sense is, you'll have no problem grinding some guys crotch who you have no attraction to whatsoever, but you'll get your panties in a twist about the guy sucking on your neck. Yes, before you lash out at me again, I understand that in technical terms, "sucking on someones neck" is different from grinding, but the point is, you're still doing something that's an intimate form of interaction. As far as I'm concerned, grinding on someones hard dick is just as intimate as a guy sucking on your neck. If you have that much disdain for your jobs, then find another job. It's that simple. I'm sure lots of you have already heard that before. If you're a hot woman, you'd have no problem getting hired or marrying some wealthy guy who will take care of you for the rest of your life. There are tons(more than I can count) of wealthy guys who would gladly make you their girlfriends/wives. That's nothing new to you. There's plenty of options for attractive women.

I stop here. Mod, if you wanna close this thread, be my guest. It's better you actually do that, because some people are taking this thread wayyyy to personal. I've already gotten my answer anyway.

Peace all

charlie61
05-02-2010, 02:24 PM
^ Aye aye, captain.

I think it's had a fair run of it anyhow.