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charlie61
05-05-2010, 03:06 PM
^ While the honesty is refreshing, the breaking the law + taking money from other women by breaking the law is not so awesome. Plus, not to mention the fact that customers then set their dance expectations unreasonably high for the rest of us who aren't willing to break the law like that.

How can I possibly compete with hand jobs? At that point, women like that are selling a different product than I am. Not okay.

With that logic, this industry is on a slippery slope to "fucking is the new lap dance".

camille27
05-05-2010, 03:12 PM
agreed.

Optimist
05-05-2010, 03:56 PM
wel, i, for one, appreciate this lady's honesty. she is making lots of money because she is giving hand jobs. so no one feel bad if her income is a bit higher.

She's not honest. She makes a habit of coming onto threads like this to boast about the money she makes by prostituting while the rest of us dance. But she NEVER mentions the prostitution unless pressed. Frankly, I think she's laughing at us. Altho, I guess I'm laughing at her for the statement that some nights she makes far less than $1,000.

PRETTYdangerous
05-05-2010, 04:25 PM
^^^ I agree!! In fact the only posts I've seen from her are not ones offering advice or asking for advice, but are posts about how much money she makes or spends. She is a prostitute in a strip club. That's the bottom line. And yeah she probably does get off on feeling like she's on top while the other girls post about making significantly less.

Kylea2
05-05-2010, 04:26 PM
Whenever you are doing something like comparing numbers, you really need to pretense it with what you are doing. Otherwise you might just be comparing apples and oranges. It's not that she doesn't have a right to post, but many girls on here shouldn't compare their numbers to people who are offering different services. I also think market is important, little cities vs big cities, and high mileage areas vs low mileage areas.

I'm sure there are probably other members on here who offer the same services as she and aren't so direct about it. They may be interested to hear what she has to say.

charlie61
05-05-2010, 04:27 PM
We got it out of our systems, now let's let the thread get back on course.

GrlWithTheMost
05-05-2010, 07:00 PM
::shrugs:: i am with elusive that stripping is something done for the exceptionally high earning potentials. Is it degrading? thats a separate debate. but the fact that the industry is so overrun with girls who are ok making the type of money they could make in another job that doesnt require education cuts into other girls' money. There have been some nights that i have worked where there have been more girls than customers... and girls would be sitting with customers all night. when one of the customers was FINALLY unoccupied, i would approach them and find out that i was the first girl to offer to sell a dance or a champagne room. And considering they had girls next to them over teh course of several hours,... it would be fucking ridiculous. So basically these girls would be there, wasting space, and making nothing except alcohol to put in their system WHILE making it so I couldnt make money off these customers without breaking dancer etiquette.

so yea, the girls who suck at making money do cut into the rest of our earnings more than you might think. especially in certain regions... ::cough cough new orleans cough cough::

AGREE totally!!!

DEE_K
05-05-2010, 07:08 PM
I consider banking to be 900ish+ on a 5 hour shift, as that is not regular and tends to only occur when you find a nice respectful customer. Also, I am in what I consider to be a mid to high contact area. I would be happy with less if I had less customer bs to deal with. Sadly, even last year I considered this to be a low contact area, but we are just flooded with dirty girls these days.

sunshine16
05-05-2010, 08:06 PM
Basing on $$, yes of course the girls who are extras girls are going to make "more" but really..they're making less- but thats regardless.. I completely agree with the fact it's insane bullshit for someone to compare money based on doing extras to a clean dancer. And I blame them for the bullshit I had to put up with at work today-guys expect what you give, and if some girls give it, then they expect the rest of us to also. NOT HAPPENING. Will I make "less?" No, not in my mind- because I'm leaving with dignity and morals. Banking to me is 700+ for a day shift. I'd be pissed walking out with 300 and less- of course that matters what customers I have to deal with, what club i'm working at etc..ultimately, no matter what day i go in, i'm making more than i would doing retail or waitressing. My best friend is a waitress at a country club and makes less than I do- that- IMO is worth it me being a stripper.

Christyismyalias
05-05-2010, 09:00 PM
my march average was over 1k a night, so it is possible

that being said, this is catty but look at her other posts-- she is a 'semi clean dancer' i.e. she will do handjobs for the right price (her words, not mine). so take it with a grain of salt.
HAHA semi clean daner and handjobs in the same sentence?? I love it.
I havent looked at her posts. Just going by what you said here.
These girls hurt our money. PERIOD. End of discussion. Keep it out of the club if you're going to do it. YOU ARE KILLING OUR INDUSTRY!



Condoms.... check!

Hand sanitizer.... check!

Lotion.... check!



^^This is funny, but true story, I left my home club and switched to another for a week. The only money I made was one night in VIP with another dancer. She immediately pulled out hand sanitizer, put it on the guys hands and put his fingers in her vagina.... I left that club after that night and never went back. Nor will I ever leave my home club EVER again.
Uuuuggh!


Sorry~~no more off topic conversation from me!

Corey
05-05-2010, 09:42 PM
This is inspired by the "is 600 a week worth it? " thread.

What do you girls consider banking in this economy?

For me it would be $400-$500 or more for a 6 hour shuft (most of the girls at my club are making $50-$200 a shift. (I work in Idaho by the way)

Before the recession the average for most dancers in my club was $150-$500 and sometimes much much more.

So what's good money in this recession economy?

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

When I read the title to this thread, I thought it was going to be about dealing w/ banks. (It's been on my brain since I have had the worst two weeks with B of A and my debit card).

Athenathefabulous
05-06-2010, 01:26 AM
AGREE totally!!!

Yea its ridiculous. especially in NOLA. i couldnt believe how many times i would talk to customers who had been there for several hours on end, always sitting with girls, and not even be aware that we sold lapdances! WTF? what were those girls doing the entire time?

jasmine22
05-06-2010, 03:34 AM
I've been reading this thread and I wanted to add that I know some girls think it is soooo degrading to make $100-$200......I made less than that waitressing and that was far more degrading to me.
If I had a bad night waiting tables, I couldn't sit at the bar and bullshit with the other girls about it......they would tell me to go clean something for $3 an hour and sweep the floor at the end of the night or I would get fired. If a customer called me a bitch, I couldn't say fuck you and walk away. I would have to smile and get the manager and hope he would handle the situation. Same thing with every other regular customer service job I had.

Another thing about dancing that's better than a regular job.....girls will say, "tonight was so shitty, I might as well go work at Burger King"......really, WOULD YOU? Think about working an hourly job, you know you will only get that $7.50 an hour. We look at it differently bc we get that money upfront and not in a check. I mean if your working your ass off and every hour they handed u $7, you would look at it and say,"I did all that in one hour...for this??" Meanwhile dancing you can make hundreds of dollars in one hour.

Im just saying some jobs are truly more degrading, I found that out when I went back to bartending after I quit dancing for a year. I felt like I dealt w the same assholes as I did dancing, except I had to be nice to them and work harder for their $$$.

camille27
05-06-2010, 06:31 AM
i have tried to help newbies. i am now convinced that some of them simply don't care whether or not they make money and just want free drinks.



Yea its ridiculous. especially in NOLA. i couldnt believe how many times i would talk to customers who had been there for several hours on end, always sitting with girls, and not even be aware that we sold lapdances! WTF? what were those girls doing the entire time?

charlie61
05-06-2010, 10:11 AM
I've been reading this thread and I wanted to add that I know some girls think it is soooo degrading to make $100-$200......I made less than that waitressing and that was far more degrading to me.
If I had a bad night waiting tables, I couldn't sit at the bar and bullshit with the other girls about it......they would tell me to go clean something for $3 an hour and sweep the floor at the end of the night or I would get fired. If a customer called me a bitch, I couldn't say fuck you and walk away. I would have to smile and get the manager and hope he would handle the situation. Same thing with every other regular customer service job I had.

Another thing about dancing that's better than a regular job.....girls will say, "tonight was so shitty, I might as well go work at Burger King"......really, WOULD YOU? Think about working an hourly job, you know you will only get that $7.50 an hour. We look at it differently bc we get that money upfront and not in a check. I mean if your working your ass off and every hour they handed u $7, you would look at it and say,"I did all that in one hour...for this??" Meanwhile dancing you can make hundreds of dollars in one hour.

Im just saying some jobs are truly more degrading, I found that out when I went back to bartending after I quit dancing for a year. I felt like I dealt w the same assholes as I did dancing, except I had to be nice to them and work harder for their $$$.

Someone on this board once compared stripping to buying lottery tickets. Sometimes you lose, but sometimes you hit the jackpot (and everything in between).

Athenathefabulous
05-06-2010, 10:44 AM
im not advocating switching to the fast food industry... i dont know why that is the first thing that people mention when talking about other jobs in the service industry. But bartending or something like that can clear 100$ a night easily... and waitressing sucks but if you work at a nice resturaunt you can also easily clear 100$ a night.

my main issue is simply that this is an industry where more girls equals less money to go around. if only the high earning girls stuck around then there would be even more money going out to the girls serious about making some real money. There are far too many girls who are making like 10$ an hour these days.... they all should go to a different job where their presence doesnt hurt my money :D. i know this sounds entitled, but whatever. my sense of entitlement is part of why i tend to bank ;).

catseyes
05-06-2010, 11:03 AM
word! I stayed home last night cuz one of the dancers (friend) called to tell me it was once again DEAD and to save my daycare money. They had a few girls but everyone was sitting around and there was two guys , nontippers, in the room. I said fuck it I'm staying home, renting a movie, and will let what little money is in the club trickle to the girls who are there. ps I hate talkers too that tie up perfectly good wallets



im not advocating switching to the fast food industry... i dont know why that is the first thing that people mention when talking about other jobs in the service industry. But bartending or something like that can clear 100$ a night easily... and waitressing sucks but if you work at a nice resturaunt you can also easily clear 100$ a night.

my main issue is simply that this is an industry where more girls equals less money to go around. if only the high earning girls stuck around then there would be even more money going out to the girls serious about making some real money. There are far too many girls who are making like 10$ an hour these days.... they all should go to a different job where their presence doesnt hurt my money :D. i know this sounds entitled, but whatever. my sense of entitlement is part of why i tend to bank ;).

Athenathefabulous
05-06-2010, 12:36 PM
. ps I hate talkers too that tie up perfectly good wallets


well put!

Kylea2
05-06-2010, 12:54 PM
^^^ Agreed. It's that whole "set a time limit" thing. No need to talk your head off if you aren't getting paid.

I'm horrible, if a guy is boring me I yawn (seriously - not even on purpose) and then I know it's time to excuse myself. Believe it or not that can happen in less than 10 minutes.

Harleigh HellKat
05-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Yeah, 3 songs and I'm gone hehe. Actually it depends... if there is an inkling of them buying a room then I'll stay a little longer. It's like gambling, the more risk the higher potential payout.

charlie61
05-06-2010, 01:27 PM
I've become a very efficient hustler as well! :)

Harleigh HellKat
05-06-2010, 01:35 PM
It sucks because a lot of guys will say 'that sounds wonderful' and let's do it' then they back track and decide they don't need to spend the money. You have to jump on em quick!!!! hehehe.

I've been assuming the sale a lot lately, and it works well. Sometimes you just gotta tell em what to do like the lost puppies they are. :D

NC, as well as most of the south, was hit REALLY hard with the economy... most clubs down here look like ghost towns. I have a friend who consistently makes 5-7 hundred a night though, because she is the best of the best. In her town I averaged 2-4 hundred a night consistently... but not anymore. I miss being near a military base where young guys had decent pay and spent most of it on us. :(

crystalize
05-06-2010, 02:45 PM
You guys need to consider that the girls who consistently make really little might like to work at red lobster or whatever else, but just can't get the job.. Let's face it, it's a lot easier for somebody with no education and a crappy resume to get hired at a strip club than anywhere else.

Optimist
05-06-2010, 02:51 PM
i have tried to help newbies. i am now convinced that some of them simply don't care whether or not they make money and just want free drinks.

Also, some of these new girls are still ambivalent about the reality of the job. They want to pretend it's not about sexual role playing and taking control with strange and unfamiliar guys. It's not really partying and being handed money for being cute. It's psychology, sensuality, and sales with dudes most of us wouldn't touch! I think some of them sit because they are in over their heads and just hoping the nice man will break off some cash for their kindness. :(

Optimist
05-06-2010, 03:11 PM
You guys need to consider that the girls who consistently make really little might like to work at red lobster or whatever else, but just can't get the job.. Let's face it, it's a lot easier for somebody with no education and a crappy resume to get hired at a strip club than anywhere else.


That's precisely why the real enemies in this situation are the club owners and managers--not the girls. It SHOULDN'T be easier to get hired as a dancer than a fast food server. It takes actual skills to do well and since they don't want to train 'em they should only take only reasonably competent women. They could be growing their businesses now by having only the hottest and most fun girls. Instead they have anyone who walks through the door with a vagina.

NREXM
05-06-2010, 03:24 PM
You guys confuse me "being okay with handjobs" for actually giving them. There are some jealous bitches in here, but that's soooo typical of strippers, haha.

On topic, I don't think I'd ever want to work at a club that makes it so hard to make good money, where you only get $14 out of a $20 dance. I suppose this is why my track record for making high amounts comes from because I do no participate at clubs that make it next to impossible. I'm sure you could get some rich guy to spend $$$ sometimes or good regulars that tip you, but I don't see it being a routine thing. I have the flexibly to move when the money gets bad so I feel pretty fortunate.

Athenathefabulous
05-06-2010, 03:29 PM
You guys confuse me "being okay with handjobs" for actually giving them. There are some jealous bitches in here, but that's soooo typical of strippers, haha.



i dont understand how the phrase 'not opposed to giving handjobs' could be interpreted as anything besides you are not opposed to giving hand jobs... meaning since you are not opposed to giving hand jobs, you give handjobs. /:O

charlie61
05-06-2010, 03:35 PM
You guys confuse me "being okay with handjobs" for actually giving them. There are some jealous bitches in here, but that's soooo typical of strippers, haha.


Whether or not you do give hand jobs, hopefully you understand where the girls' frustration/anger comes from regarding this issue. When strippers perform such services, customers' expectations are raised to the point where everyone makes less money. Not to mention it's illegal.

NREXM
05-06-2010, 03:38 PM
No, what I'm stating by this is that if handjobs are the norm by certain clubs then I don't have problem obliging. Saying you're not in disagreement is a long jump between actually committing the action. That would be the same as a woman saying that she "isn't against prostitution" and then assumed to be a prostitute herself for her views. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

I can understand the misinterpretations so I've stated multiple times that I do not give hand jobs as they outwardly assume, yet they write them off and continue to badger me about how I'm this extras girl that only makes money though giving each customer a hand job. It seems pretty childish to me.

NREXM
05-06-2010, 03:46 PM
Charlie, I do and don't have an understanding for the frustration. I've worked at some extra's filled clubs (where girls charge bottom dollar for full service) and I've always walked out with good clean money. I suppose I do understand it being a problem in less metropolitan areas where girls are heavily reliant on regular customers, but in busier areas, I don't see this becoming much of an issue and would take YEARS for customers to realize it is standard.

There are so many customers that come into strip clubs that are visiting from out of town, bachelor parties, once every two years visits, etc. It's impossible for them all to know what services are being offered without having been comforted with it during their time at the club. You also have to understand that some customers aren't looking for extras and would be turned off by a girl that offers sexual contact. Sure, you'll lose a few customers to that crowd looking specifically for extras, but so what? There are other fish in the sea. I'd rather not vent my frustration at these girls and figure out ways to bank regardless.

If I'm having to compete against girls that give more service for the same price as my clean lap dances then I simply need to step up my game. Because really, bitching about it only wastes your own time.

charlie61
05-06-2010, 03:52 PM
^ Not a bad point. I'm in a similar situation, actually. My club is stepping up extras, but I'm still the top earner despite my no contact dances. I would agree that it's more beneficial to ignore these behaviors than bitch about them.

However, this is a forum, so bitching is allowed and understandably cathartic! I leave it all on the boards. :) None of my frustration comes to work with me.

papillonluvr
05-06-2010, 05:28 PM
NREXM, I understand what you are saying. For me, I am fine with prostitution, but I do not engage it in, legally or illegally. So I get it.

Either way, even if a girl on here is an extras girl...is this forum for Strippers, or for Clean Strippers? We all have our frustrations and our hustles. And as has been stated-clean dancers make good money too! You might have to work harder, but that is just the reality of it. If you have a problem with working harder for money (and for me, hustling harder is still easier than A LOT of jobs) then maybe find a new club or a new business., 'Cause it's obvious extras girls aren't leaving...

Just my 2 cents worth.

Kylea2
05-06-2010, 09:39 PM
'Cause it's obvious extras girls aren't leaving..

At least not of their own accord...

Zinaida
05-06-2010, 10:22 PM
That's precisely why the real enemies in this situation are the club owners and managers--not the girls. It SHOULDN'T be easier to get hired as a dancer than a fast food server. It takes actual skills to do well and since they don't want to train 'em they should only take only reasonably competent women. They could be growing their businesses now by having only the hottest and most fun girls. Instead they have anyone who walks through the door with a vagina.
I couldn't agree more.

Mindy Bares All
05-07-2010, 09:38 AM
^^^ I agree, but at the same time, how did you guys develop your selling skills? True, you guys may have been the hottest at the club and that's why you got hired, but you most likely learned how to sell dances on the job. And had you not gotten hired for being hot, it would've been because you weren't competent. It's kind of like the ugly duckling in a sense, and the clubs are just taking chances- rolling dice, because hell, they're not paying the girls. If they don't take a risk to hire a new girl, she doesn't have a chance to develop into a really good stripper, and they don't have the chance to earn money off of her.

catseyes
05-07-2010, 12:09 PM
seriously if hand jobs are becoming the norm, or licking snatch on stage..i'm out. why don't the hand jobbers just do escorting?

Harleigh HellKat
05-07-2010, 12:42 PM
I copied this from one of my other threads.

UPDATE: I just found out that the club I'm working at won't be around too much longer. It's sad because it's one of the nicer ones here. There are people who say extras girls don't affect our money. Well... when NO ONE comes to a clean club in favor of the ones that are fucking and sucking for pennies, you tell me how it doesn't affect my money. The only customers who come in ask for full service, then leave disappointed when they don't get it. I'm copying and pasting this in the banking in this economy thread, because YES extras does hurt MY money and I can prove it. We had all of two customers last night, and I walked out with 17 dollars.

This club is nice, has some of the prettiest girls in the area and some of the sweetest too. The staff is awesome, and they have true private VIP rooms. It's an absolutely gorgeous club and I would hate to see it go, if it comes to that. And also, if it doesn't... I'm going to hate to say goodbye myself, because I can't keep driving an hour for nothing. I think it's coming time to hang up my high heels, at least until something changes.

So yes, it is harder to make money... exponentially harder. I myself don't have a problem with prostitution, as long as it's legal, regulated, and safe. Sucking dick in a strip club is NONE of those. I agree with catseyes... just become an escort or courtesan. A dancer DANCES. A prostitute fucks. I don't see where the grey area is there. When no one walks into my club because they have a no-nonsense prostitution rule, you tell me it doesn't affect my money.

I'm literally in tears over having to go to work tonight and tell them to take me off the schedule. I love dancing, and at one time it was fun and rewarding. I'll probably dance while looking for a bartending job, then stick to bartending and PPs in my free time. I've worked at almost every club in this area, and they are ALL hurting for money/customers. I made better money working in a pasties and stage dance club than I do here. It's not just one or two bad nights here and there, it's every night some dick asks me to fuck him in VIP and when I say no his wallet closes. When other girls say no, he just leaves. I had a guy tell me that my grind dance was 'not very much contact.' I just can't do it anymore.

Christyismyalias
05-07-2010, 02:15 PM
No, what I'm stating by this is that if handjobs are the norm by certain clubs then I don't have problem obliging. Saying you're not in disagreement is a long jump between actually committing the action. That would be the same as a woman saying that she "isn't against prostitution" and then assumed to be a prostitute herself for her views. The terms are not mutually exclusive.

I can understand the misinterpretations so I've stated multiple times that I do not give hand jobs as they outwardly assume, yet they write them off and continue to badger me about how I'm this extras girl that only makes money though giving each customer a hand job. It seems pretty childish to me.



Charlie, I do and don't have an understanding for the frustration. I've worked at some extra's filled clubs (where girls charge bottom dollar for full service) and I've always walked out with good clean money. I suppose I do understand it being a problem in less metropolitan areas where girls are heavily reliant on regular customers, but in busier areas, I don't see this becoming much of an issue and would take YEARS for customers to realize it is standard.

There are so many customers that come into strip clubs that are visiting from out of town, bachelor parties, once every two years visits, etc. It's impossible for them all to know what services are being offered without having been comforted with it during their time at the club. You also have to understand that some customers aren't looking for extras and would be turned off by a girl that offers sexual contact. Sure, you'll lose a few customers to that crowd looking specifically for extras, but so what? There are other fish in the sea. I'd rather not vent my frustration at these girls and figure out ways to bank regardless.

If I'm having to compete against girls that give more service for the same price as my clean lap dances then I simply need to step up my game. Because really, bitching about it only wastes your own time.

You are so completely WRONG.
Regardless of whether it takes "years" for customers at that club/area to realize, these girls are still upping the ante and the customers WILL expect sex/sexual favors to be the norm.
Customers talk and word spreads, through message boards or whereever. These men seek out the clubs that give extras. By making it the norm at any club, word spreads and that club will continue getting more and more perverts wanting sex. You ARE making it more difficult for the DANCERS to make money. Personally, I feel it is becoming more and more with men expecting sex/favors and becoming angry/violent even if I let them know "we dont do that here". They expect it, it's not just one club to another or even one city to another. They are mixing the word stripper/prostitute, and ITS BECAUSE OF SHIT LIKE THIS!
And regardless, why would any dancer WANT to do more for their money? We are priveleged to dance for great money, and these girls are RUINING it. Killing an entire industry because they are lazy, greedy, or trying to "compete" with the last lazy/greedy girl. There are places to go if you want to dance and places to go if you want to do more, why mix the two and fuck up everyones money???

Stop kidding yourself that you only do handjobs (or whatever) in the clubs that it's the "norm." You are trying to legitimize it to yourself but the bottom line is you are NOT a clean dancer, no matter how many or few times out of 10 you actually do more than dance.

If you WERE a clean dancer, you would A. Not work at clubs where you feel you have to stoop to the girls level to make money or B. Stand you fucking ground and dance clean and take what you get moneywise b/c you know you are dancing the way YOU want to dance and not lowering your standards.


~~And I agree with Charlie. I express my opinions on this board, but when it comes down to work, i'm on my focus and my hustle.
Thankfully I have SW to get my frustrations out, because I truly loathe extras girls.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 02:18 PM
^ Remember, though, she said she didn't participate in giving handjobs.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 02:24 PM
I'm really torn on this issue. My club is getting dirtier and dirtier, and customers are expecting more and more. I ignore it and keep my dances very clean, and I still do very well.

I definitely don't feel empowered to complain about the other girls breaking the rules (and laws). I used to do this, and management would half-assed act like they cared, go in the back and pull the strippers off of the clients. Now, though, it's become the norm. I even recently had one of my best regulars (who's been seeing me regularly there for about a year) ask me why I won't do to him what these other girls do. He was like "Well clearly you aren't going to get in trouble for it--everyone else is doing it!" That hurt.

There's only one club in my area, so I can't switch clubs. And I still make way enough money to justify staying there. But I don't see that there's anything to be gained by complaining to management when it's become the norm. No one is complaining because everyone (except the clean girls) makes more money when contact levels are raised (in general).

That being said, oftentimes guys buy a dance with a higher contact girl, and then they get a dance with me, and then they get more and more dances with me. In other words, guys aren't just looking for contact. I had a guy say the other day "This is the best dance I've ever gotten" (he ended up buying 13 consecutive dances). Shrugs.

Harleigh HellKat
05-07-2010, 02:31 PM
^I thought that was what obliging meant.

And yes, I have been to those websites, and it's probably those sites that killed my club. I read reviews where customers were pissed for not getting sex during a limo ride. Regardless of whether it happens in MY club, YOUR club, the club down the street or across town... it hurts our money and spawns demanding, picky, cheap rude, angry, and sometimes forceful customers. Do any of you want those kind of customers?

I also don't see how any clean dancer can be ok with ITC whoring. If your club gets raided, chances are everyone is looked at with suspicion. Do you want to go to jail or lose your job over Susie getting fingered for 10 bucks? That's Susie's money, not yours, and while we're at it... why is Susie risking her safety as well? There are smart ways to go about things, and then there's just plain dumb. She's either got a drug habit or is completely money hungry, in which case she'll have neither if LE busts her bubble.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 02:39 PM
~~And I agree with Charlie. I express my opinions on this board, but when it comes down to work, i'm on my focus and my hustle.
Thankfully I have SW to get my frustrations out, because I truly loathe extras girls.

Giiiirl, me too. When extras first started going down in my club, I was LIVID. If I saw a girl do anything, it completely threw off my hustle for the night. I felt cheap even being in a place associated with such behaviors. And to have someone sell more dances than I did by doing things that are ILLEGAL was infuriating.

Now I get back at these girls by ending the night with 2-3 times more dances than they have.

PRETTYdangerous
05-07-2010, 03:21 PM
If I'm having to compete against girls that give more service for the same price as my clean lap dances then I simply need to step up my game. Because really, bitching about it only wastes your own time.

"Stepping up your game" consists of giving hand jobs. Your mother would be so proud. ::)

PRETTYdangerous
05-07-2010, 03:26 PM
The way I look at it there are two ways a CLEAN dancer can handle girls like NREXM;

They can either "Step up their game" in a non prostitution way; such as Complaints to Management and/or to the Dancer herself. I've had no problem telling a dancer "What you're doing in this club is not the norm and I think you should find a better club suited to you because this is not the place for you." And go back to improving your hustle like you would on any other night.

OR you can go the NREXM rout and pull their dick out.

And I wanted to edit to add this: Our House Mom at Christie's use to post quotes on the white board meant to uplift dancers, she once wrote (and I'll never forget) "Women can't sell a Fantasy while the girl next to them is selling reality."

Kylea2
05-07-2010, 03:38 PM
^I thought that was what obliging meant.

She may not be doing it now, but "oblige" means she's willing to do it. That's NOT good for our industry.

As it is, I have a close friend who produces porn. She pretty much refuses to have much to do with dancers. Her reason? Our industry has gone down so much that people correlate dancers to prostitutes and she needs her fans to know that the fantasy stays on film with professional actors who are AIM tested. To avoid the confusion she typically won't be seen with dancers, take photos with them, go to strip clubs or be involved in stripper type of events. When the porn industry starts looking down on dancing... you know things are headed the wrong direction.

Also, all the extras girls are going to drive their own industry down with their cheap prices and too much supply. This totally goes back to basic economics.


"Women can't sell a Fantasy while the girl next to them is selling reality."
That's full of "WIN"! Yes, yes, yes!

charlie61
05-07-2010, 03:56 PM
^ Agreed on all levels. BUT...are there any practical solutions for women who can't change clubs?

Kylea2
05-07-2010, 04:12 PM
^^^ We've been through this. I'm not going to re-hash it.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 04:14 PM
^My point exactly. There isn't anything easy or practical to do about it.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 04:20 PM
Or hell, I'd even take just practical.

Optimist
05-07-2010, 04:20 PM
^^^ I agree, but at the same time, how did you guys develop your selling skills? True, you guys may have been the hottest at the club and that's why you got hired, but you most likely learned how to sell dances on the job. And had you not gotten hired for being hot, it would've been because you weren't competent. It's kind of like the ugly duckling in a sense, and the clubs are just taking chances- rolling dice, because hell, they're not paying the girls. If they don't take a risk to hire a new girl, she doesn't have a chance to develop into a really good stripper, and they don't have the chance to earn money off of her.


I would love to see them train the girls. I think everyone would benefit because those girls would be less likely to sit all night waiting on the kindness of the guy or doing illegal things that endanger the club.

I trained ahead of time by dancing in a real dance club and working as a promoter for two years. I got paid by the club by how many people I got into the door. I got the guys in by being a flirty social butterfly and I got the girls in by hyping the men and music we had to offer. My boss suggested I try the gogo clubs (bikini and pastie) and I took his advice. I think I got jobs as much for personality as looks because I was prone to be very edgy and show up in a studded leather bikini or a ripped tie die shirt and thong! ;D I was a bit more performance artist than straight sexy girl. So there are easy ways to develop that social ability in other gigs.

I would love to see them develop their "act" and approach it as something artistic than just think it's hoeing or being a sexy con artist. So many don't even try to be legit. :no: In their defense, it seems to be against their nature to ask for help or support each other. Lots of backbiting and hating on each other. I'd like to see that change beccause happiness is contagious. I've worked in clubs that were like a party every week where the guys wouldpack the place 2 and three deep in small spots and even my current place jams even though it's like a warehouse. It's all because it feels like a party so we all make money.