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Kylea2
05-07-2010, 04:37 PM
Or hell, I'd even take just practical.

We simply don't see eye to eye on this, because to me those solutions were very practical.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 04:54 PM
We simply don't see eye to eye on this, because to me those solutions were very practical.

Fair nuff. :-X

Kylea2
05-07-2010, 05:06 PM
Also, there is the embarrassment technique. It works better with newer dancers though, and there's a wolf pack mentality to it, the more dancers willing to help/participate the better, so it works when the majority of the girls are clean versus dirty and you have to be 100% sure the other girl is doing extras. You want to make sure you don't assume something that isn't happening, which could really hurt a girl's feelings.

Basically when you see it happening in the private dance room you can walk over to her and ask her to stop, or say loudly "Look _name_ is giving a hj/bj - EWWWW!"

Or loudly get a discussion going in the dressing room that extras aren't appreciated in the club.

I'm not big on embarrassment personally, but I've seen this technique used and it can work.

charlie61
05-07-2010, 06:16 PM
Also, there is the embarrassment technique. It works better with newer dancers though, and there's a wolf pack mentality to it, the more dancers willing to help/participate the better, so it works when the majority of the girls are clean versus dirty and you have to be 100% sure the other girl is doing extras. You want to make sure you don't assume something that isn't happening, which could really hurt a girl's feelings.

Basically when you see it happening in the private dance room you can walk over to her and ask her to stop, or say loudly "Look _name_ is giving a hj/bj - EWWWW!"

Or loudly get a discussion going in the dressing room that extras aren't appreciated in the club.

I'm not big on embarrassment personally, but I've seen this technique used and it can work.

Not a bad point! I did this at first. Now, I've found that even giving it that much attention brings my mood down. But you're right--that works well depending on the situation.

loveyonetwo
05-07-2010, 06:55 PM
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Kylea2
05-07-2010, 07:07 PM
^^^ I can't remember who posted it, but someone said that Deja Vu in San Fran no longer allows upselling the dances, which they used to push us to do. Before I understood what they meant by upselling I was walking out with barely anything because I went from all stage money to no stage money. I thought I had mad the biggest mistake of my life! Then what the hiring manager said to me the first day was suddenly brought back to memory and I finally realized what she meant... after that I did wonderful.

Without the ability to upsell though, I probably wouldn't go back to the low end San Francisco club. I can bust my butt hustling all night but at some point, when I'm all sweaty from giving lap dances all night long non-stop, you just sort of wear out and really appreciate the ability to upsell and work less or have a champagne room available to sell.

papillonluvr
05-07-2010, 07:18 PM
At least not of their own accord...

So true... Why can't they just go where they belong and stay clean and disease-free there and make money there? Or move to a state where it belongs? >:(

I don't like extras girls, I am not an extras girl, but like most strippers I work with them. I just hustle harder and learn hustling from companies like Britney Ireland's-I step it up to deal with it, since management won't.

Kylea-I like your embarassment technique. I may get with a few girls I work with to try it out.

sunshine16
05-07-2010, 07:34 PM
SERIOUSLY wtf is with the extras going on. My home club, it's known a few girls do them-but, at least they're somewhat quiet about it. The 2 newer ish clubs I've been working at (which are owned by eachother) the 'better' one, a girl was caught having sex in a 20$ dance room, manager called the cops. Girl arrest, custie thrown out. Haha. Second one..another dancer caught this bitch sucking dick in the 20$ dance room..and theres even cameras, but of course, no one did anything- which baffles me, because she wasnt making the club money being in VIP or anything..she was just in the regular dance room all night. Not really sure what the hard concept it here- DANCER= DANCES. SELLING SEXUAL FAVORS= PROSTITUTE. god. its not hard.

Zinaida
05-07-2010, 09:09 PM
Also, there is the embarrassment technique
Of this I am an expert. }:D

4everresolutions
05-07-2010, 09:19 PM
At my club right now, $400 on a weeknight would be considered banking to most girls. Personally, I wouldn't considering it banking, as 'back in the day' I've made more. But there it is.

It's the club though - it's known as being a safe-harbor for extra girls, and we've had maybe 30-40 custies a night this past work-week, with at least half that many girls working. I'm switching clubs in the next month or so, there's only so many $140 nights I can take. My naked body is worth MUCH more than that.

oxSkylarxo
05-07-2010, 11:11 PM
Stripping HAS become synonmous with prostitution.

When a customer (seriously without batting an eye or joking) asks if the girls at the club do incalls and outcalls in addition to working at the club...
I mean he assuming we are the exact same damn thing. That is definitely not cool.

When a customer tries to take my hand and put it on his crotch during a dance, and I say, "Hey buddy this isn't a whore house".... Then his reaction is, "Well then get offa me!" Next, I get shoved off of his lap.

*shakes head*

Christyismyalias
05-08-2010, 03:46 AM
^^^Yes! I get that as well! I get waved off, even midway through a dance or even VIP room. They are like shooshoo off you go. Fucked up.

Charlie--she has said it without saying it. Saying if its what is the norm in the club then she is "happy to oblige" and saying shes willing to "for the right price"

But honestly this has turned into a whole different discussion in general. I am really not trying to attack this girl personally, its so much bigger than her alone.
I am using the things she says as a means for discussing this issue. This is how girls like her think, and it is interesting to hear the opposite side of opinions. But we are definitely opposites. I just dont get it.

SerenaSin
05-08-2010, 05:41 AM
Let us not forget the dayshift girls, who must accept the reality of averaging about half of what nightshift girls make :( Oh well, 'tis the price we pay to fall asleep w/ our boyfriends at a reasonable hour.

Yes, $300+ is banking for me, particularly because I only work weekdays. I get to work similar hours/days to most of the human population, and to ME that is worth it.

There are only 6 clubs in the tri-county area. I've worked at 4 of them, & currently work at the most upscale one, so I know what the money's like around here. My earnings are very average and consistent w/ my current club, for this particular season, & for the days/hours I work. So I don't think that averaging $150-$250 a day is "hurting" anyone else's $$. Not everyone who makes less than $400/day is ugly w/ shitty sales skills.

Harleigh HellKat
05-08-2010, 12:00 PM
True. A lot of clubs lower their dance prices during the day. I refused to do day shift at the last one because VIPS were two for one all day and table dances were 5 bucks. I'll never do a 5 dollar dance EVER again. o_O

I make less than 400 a day and have for several months now. In the words of my club's owner... this industry has turned into a joke. I'm not ugly and my sales skills are up to par, at least better than most girl's around here. But I absolutely refuse to give extras, and you know what? I'm moving to PPs and I'll STILL refuse to give extras. I know everyone has their price but I just never hear one high enough. :D (It's one million dollars muahahahaaha.)

Aside from the extras and everything, I just don't think anyone is wowed by dancing naked women practically doing gravity defying (sometimes dangerous) gymnastics anymore. I think people are just jaded, and that's the sad reality here. When you can stream the most bizarre hijacked porn all day for free, why would you pay to leave the house, or hell even pay for the porn? I hate free porn sites. I think that's another downfall of our industry. Guys get so much free shit crammed in their faces it's not even funny.

Kylea2
05-08-2010, 12:15 PM
^^^ Actually the problem with that is more torrent sites offering stolen content, and of course as always, amateurs willing to do tons for free.

Harleigh HellKat
05-08-2010, 12:58 PM
Exactly. I understand if someone is a kinky exhibitionist... but damn dude get some kind of pay. And as far as stolen content goes... don't even get me started. Nothing pisses me off more than illegally using someone's image without their consent.

Also, with all these free sites... there's not really any way to verify age, so they probably get tons of underage kids looking at porn. So it's pretty much FAIL all the way around. Oh except for the dudes wacking it for free.

shasta
05-08-2010, 06:50 PM
So I made good money last night, but I still didn't feel I "banked." Even tho 1k nites are rare (and when working in the states they have been rare for me always) I have always considered 1k+ to be banking- even if it only happens twice a year. I have this feeling now at 900 as well (which hasn't happened since last fall). Last night my goal was 500,which was a very high goal for me at my club. I actually almost made it and left with 475. That was more than i have made in one night in maybe a month. I left disappointed. I have high expectations.

K Sweet
05-08-2010, 08:04 PM
Aside from the extras and everything, I just don't think anyone is wowed by dancing naked women practically doing gravity defying (sometimes dangerous) gymnastics anymore. I think people are just jaded, and that's the sad reality here. When you can stream the most bizarre hijacked porn all day for free, why would you pay to leave the house, or hell even pay for the porn? I hate free porn sites. I think that's another downfall of our industry. Guys get so much free shit crammed in their faces it's not even funny.

Ahhh don't say that!!! I work at a peepshow and my club stopped making money largely because of the internet (we're closing in a month). Luckily, some guys really would rather have a real physical woman. I have some friends who are PSOs and they say some guys really prefer it over webcams, somethings can't be replaced by internet.

My club offers a "Private Pleasures" booth. You can see a girl masturbate and you can do the same thing. So I'm wondering what extras has done to this, because we basically are extras. And we're closing! I think a lot of guys just don't have any money, but $20 just has more value to them than it used to. Internet is out there, and it may just be the only option that's cheap enough for them.

Anyways, I do a private booth, not dances. I guess for me banking would be $150 (for one hour).

Harleigh HellKat
05-09-2010, 01:45 AM
That's awesome... I would love to work in a peepshow. I don't consider it extras, because it's a different type of work.

I guess you are right about some guys wanting the real thing. But some guys also want clean dancers. o_O They are just few and far between.

K Sweet
05-09-2010, 08:16 AM
Working at a peepshow is sweet, except in the private booth you can't talk to anyone through the glass. And it is so damn frustrating!!! All these guys walk by and you can't talk to them, cuz they can't hear you!!! Ugh. It's fun but that part sucks. And ya know... peepshows are endangered right now. We have little business nowadays.

Zinaida
05-09-2010, 10:27 AM
^^^I'd like that. Where I work we have full access to the hall and the guys in it, so many of the girls harass the guys to death as they walk by for shows...keep doing that and those guys won't come back!

Another reason why less guys want to walk into a stripclub: the dancers are bloodthirsty vultures that harass the guys to death and girls forcing themselves upon guys that don't want them.

asianlady
05-09-2010, 01:12 PM
me in the eighties was banking 600 to a thousand a day today I am banking 400 to 800 a day but just a year and a half ago was only banking maybe 200 t0 400 so things are looking up here in toronto

carmen_b
05-09-2010, 01:43 PM
I wonder why they didn't hook your peepshow up with speakers and mikes or something ? That would be frustrating !

laurcon
05-09-2010, 01:44 PM
I notice no NYC girls are commenting on this. First, I don't think we have many on this board anymore. Second, perhaps we're in a bubble? I still make about 2k/week working 2-4 nights. Some nights I make $0, some nights I make 2k, average $650 or so. So I don't get excited when I make 1,000 in a night cause that's what I expect.
Its a lot harder to make that money in clubs where $500/hr CRs aren't an option or if they are, its a rare sale.
I've noticed a few girls leave my club lately though, even though I thought the money's been fine. The volume of customers has certainly gone down, so perhaps I've just been lucky to find the big spenders.

And yes the nights of $0 are sometimes sheer laziness on my part, but sometimes there's just too many girls versus customers. It only takes 1 guy to make your night, but sometimes that 1 guy just isn't there. I take those nights with a grain of salt and am thankful for the good nights.

alexa111
05-09-2010, 03:01 PM
Wow that ^ ^^ sounds a whole lot better then where im currently at..banking lately has been 300 or 400...and thats not very often anymore (unless you're willing to "go the extra mile", which I'm not) I'm def switching clubs very soon!

4everresolutions
05-09-2010, 04:20 PM
me in the eighties was banking 600 to a thousand a day today I am banking 400 to 800 a day but just a year and a half ago was only banking maybe 200 t0 400 so things are looking up here in toronto

Oh good, so it IS my club. I just started working in Toronto and haven't been doing well, and I was suspecting that it's more where I was working than what I was doing. I guess I'll hop around for the next 2 months, and find out for sure if it's me or just this club....

K Sweet
05-09-2010, 07:24 PM
Ahh okay off topic but stuff about the peepshow...

The peepshow is fun but it can be very frustrating. Having a timed booth sucks, you MUST leave after an hour, even if it gets busy. My best night ever was $175 in the booth and I did stage so I made $200 total in 4 hours. So there are few opportunities to "bank".

We had speakers but someone spilled their drink on the intercom.

We get plenty of guys who just hang out. We get guys who watch the girl in the private booth and don't buy a show, they just look at her in her lingerie, and they won't leave until support staff bother them. I get several of these a day, and it sucks because we have no cover AND they block the view from potential costumers. I've also had these guys try to jerk off in the hallway.
The new phenomenon are the quick-cum guys. They buy a $10 show (2 minutes) which only get the dancer naked, and maybe she'll do dirty talk and upsell, and they just beat themselves to death. I guess it's how the get more bang for their buck.

Just saying, it's fun but can be a challenge some days.

loren
05-19-2010, 12:13 AM
I also work in Vegas, Miami, and Chicago, all of which clubs are busy and easy to get at least six dances an hour.
Ok now I'm calling B.S. too.

I know girls here in Vegas who good sales people and they are completely perfect looking. I'm talking about girls who can work any shift at any club in the city. Even they are not making anywhere near a consistent $1,000 per shift.... get real!

I have never met anyone who banks consistently for an extended period of time; unless they have a pimp working at the club as a bouncer. In this case they will be hooked up with the big spenders right when they walk in the door before any other girls even have a chance to try to make a sale.

To me banking is anything over $500.

loren
05-19-2010, 12:37 AM
You guys need to consider that the girls who consistently make really little might like to work at red lobster or whatever else, but just can't get the job.. Let's face it, it's a lot easier for somebody with no education and a crappy resume to get hired at a strip club than anywhere else.

Most companies will do employer mandated credit report checks for any job applicant. A lot of people now days can't get a job simply because they have been the victim of loan sharking, identity theft or they had to go to the emergency room for medical care. There are people who are doing this because it's all they can get. Some of these people actually do have good experience, education and skills that have nothing to do with stripping.

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=272581081069&topic=16284

Vyanka
05-19-2010, 01:23 AM
^^^I'd like that. Where I work we have full access to the hall and the guys in it, so many of the girls harass the guys to death as they walk by for shows...keep doing that and those guys won't come back!

Another reason why less guys want to walk into a stripclub: the dancers are bloodthirsty vultures that harass the guys to death and girls forcing themselves upon guys that don't want them.

LOL. Werd

Vyanka
05-19-2010, 01:27 AM
^ guys are such cheap asses these days, and competition is fierce... dancers in clubs have to be blood thirsty vultures in order to make money. I am sick of guys who come to strip clubs to hang out... Go to a bar!

This is true too. It really depends on the club though. I was in a club where I HAD to work like this or else I wouldn't make decent money. I made good money for sure(before I quit), but that shit got tiring & my mental health was taking a toll. So glad I left that place. I can't work like that!

TurboHips
05-19-2010, 03:52 AM
Yeah, banking to me is anything beyond my averages, which range from $200 well up. I have been witness to some girls making a g or close to it, it all has to do with: the customer and how you present the sale. True, extra's seem to have taken the place of true entertaining in some places, but there are those clubs that men go to that don't expect some shoddy BJ. I worked 2 nights at a sports bar and i'll be damned if I have to compete with ESPN for a man's attention. No.


My expectations are realistic and I don't delude myself into thinking everyday is a gold mine, because it isn't. I make what I need at that current time for whatever it is I need to pay for, whether it be rent, food, travel or whatever else. I'm fortunate to where I'm not down and desperate, though some days it may feel like it. The worst time, for me personally, is when rent is due and a tidal wave of girls come in.

Every club/customer/dancer is different and averages depend on your area and the type of clientele your club caters to

rareaspasia
05-19-2010, 11:09 AM
I actually have two separate banking standards because I'm in Cocoa Beach, Florida and it is extremely seasonal here. My minimum acceptable daily average for working five to six hours at a topless, medium contact club with no real VIP or Champagne rooms is 200 a night regardless of season. If I'm not averaging that at least by the end of the month, I start looking at my other options. I actually just switched to a new club because of this. But having said all that, during the busy times I consider banking to be 600 and up. During slow times it's 400 and up. I know that's low to a lot of you but not having a champagne room or anything like that really hurts me sometimes. But I've been dancing now for a bit over a year and every month I get better so maybe a year from now I'll have different standards. I really ought to try selling blocks of time more often.

london
05-20-2010, 04:58 PM
Hey, Charlie!

For practical advice for your club situation, I'd advise having a lawyer on retainer to protect your future interests. I say that in neutral terms, not being flippant at all. If you can afford to do that, you can safeguard against being caught up in the event of a surprise raid where all of the dancers are held under suspicion.

Mindy Bares All
05-21-2010, 07:12 AM
^^ Good idea, methinks.

ariel1228
05-21-2010, 10:00 AM
Ok now I'm calling B.S. too.

I know girls here in Vegas who good sales people and they are completely perfect looking. I'm talking about girls who can work any shift at any club in the city. Even they are not making anywhere near a consistent $1,000 per shift.... get real!

I have never met anyone who banks consistently for an extended period of time; unless they have a pimp working at the club as a bouncer. In this case they will be hooked up with the big spenders right when they walk in the door before any other girls even have a chance to try to make a sale.

To me banking is anything over $500.


I didn't write that.

Idmonstre
05-26-2010, 04:57 AM
Hm. depends for me. Some nights i'll go home with $200 but think it was a good night because i had a good time and it was fun (had fun conversations/whatever). Frankly, i am satisfied with anything over $300, and very happy with anything over $400.

Elusive21
11-14-2010, 08:37 PM
^bump

kellyj
11-15-2010, 02:48 AM
I notice no NYC girls are commenting on this. First, I don't think we have many on this board anymore. Second, perhaps we're in a bubble? I still make about 2k/week working 2-4 nights. Some nights I make $0, some nights I make 2k, average $650 or so. So I don't get excited when I make 1,000 in a night cause that's what I expect.
Its a lot harder to make that money in clubs where $500/hr CRs aren't an option or if they are, its a rare sale.
I've noticed a few girls leave my club lately though, even though I thought the money's been fine. The volume of customers has certainly gone down, so perhaps I've just been lucky to find the big spenders.

And yes the nights of $0 are sometimes sheer laziness on my part, but sometimes there's just too many girls versus customers. It only takes 1 guy to make your night, but sometimes that 1 guy just isn't there. I take those nights with a grain of salt and am thankful for the good nights.

I think we're in a bubble. I'm pissed if I leave with less than $500 after tip outs, and aim for no less than $2000/week. I'm a really fucking new dancer, but I've averaged slightly more than $800/night for the last two months. There's no fucking way I could make that money outside of Manhattan.

Jamaica
11-15-2010, 05:36 AM
Banking is a relative term. I wouldn't get excited unless I made Atleast 800 because I expect that especially on a weekend night. Doing really good is atleast 7/800 banking 1K+. But it also depends on how many hrs it took to get the money. I would rather work 5 OR 6 hours for 800 then work long shifts 10+ hours and having to wait around to make a G.

anouk.oui
11-16-2010, 08:55 AM
Why is it sad that some dancers are doing this for less than $100 a day? Doesn't that imply that there's something degrading about stripping for less than that? So stripping is only okay if you're making a certain amount? I iz confuzed.

depends really. the only time i would ever feel happy about 100 was if it was a really bad night with lots of girls to no customers and all the other girls were making less than 50. it all depends on circumstances and personal best i think. that being said i dont think 100 is banking anywhere and i think the girls who should leave the industry are those that sit around with customers without being paid having a friendly conversation coz theyre bored and not doing it to build regulars etc thus preventing other girls from making money off them and having men grow accustomed to girls hanging off him for free and sitting with him the whole night.... how can we charge him for the same thing after that?