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yoda57us
05-18-2010, 05:01 PM
at one point in time, I spent more money in the club and did more dances than at least 75% of the guys posting here

How would you know this? You have sworn affidavits from all customers posting on Stripper web? Not really possible since I know you don't have one from me. Leave it to a numbers guy to pull a statement like this out of his ass and expect us to believe it actually means something.


I can't wait to hear your comeback for this bit of foot-in-mouth buffoonery...

bem401
05-19-2010, 06:35 AM
How would you know this? You have sworn affidavits from all customers posting on Stripper web? Not really possible since I know you don't have one from me. Leave it to a numbers guy to pull a statement like this out of his ass and expect us to believe it actually means something.


I can't wait to hear your comeback for this bit of foot-in-mouth buffoonery...

Duh, I read and participated in the thread where everyone talked about their spending habits, you fucking moron. Then again, you only remember what you want the way you want to make you feel like some sort of icon. Go to the thread in CC that last had a post on 12/17/09 entitled "customers-how much do you spend a month on sc's?" and read it. Unlike you, I don't just make shit up in an attempt to curry favor with anyone.

And where did I say my calculations had a single thing to do with you? I remembered what that poll showed, nothing more. You may or may not have been one of the poll's 31 respondents. That narcissism regarding you in the SC world keeps showing.

bem401
05-19-2010, 07:20 AM
You dont know that. Just because u spent $$ in a stripclub at one point in your life doesnt make you better than anyone else.

Where did I say this? My comment was downplayed as if it came from someone with no customer experience at all. I was merely setting the record straight that I'm not some clueless outsider weighing in here.

If you've been victimized by assholes in the past, I suppose demanding prepayment makes sense. Putting myself in the position of being asked for prepayment isn't easy because close to 99% of the dances I ever did were done with girls who were not strangers to me. I think that's why I see myself possibly being offended by such a demand. I've always had essentially nothing to do with people I didn't already know in the club.

And I will admit that if my friends were being scammed by customers, I'd advise them to assure themselves of being paid however necessary. So I'm not really slamming anyone for demanding upfront payment, just saying I'd be unhappy to think a girl I agreed to spend money on didn't trust me enough to let me pay when the dance was done.

bem401
05-19-2010, 07:27 AM
Strippers possess many skills, but mind-reading and ESP don't tend to be some of them. How the hell would she know you're not a scam artist? They look and act like everyone else...until the service is completed and they refuse to pay.

As I sorta said in a previous post, KS, I almost never bought a dance from a strange girl on the first day I laid eyes on her. That might have happened a half-dozen times ever in the hundreds of dances I've bought over the years. If I have any SC inexperience, it would be as a customer in a strange club surrounded by strangers. That much I'm happy to admit.

yoda57us
05-19-2010, 05:30 PM
Duh, I read and participated in the thread where everyone talked about their spending habits, you fucking moron. Then again, you only remember what you want the way you want to make you feel like some sort of icon. Go to the thread in CC that last had a post on 12/17/09 entitled "customers-how much do you spend a month on sc's?" and read it.

LOL, you've got to be kidding me! You actually took the time to read a thread on a board about strip clubs-something you say you have no interest in-then sat down and do an analysis to determine how many people you used to spend more than when you were actually a customer? That's a good one BEM, you must have a lot of free time on your hands! By the way, unless you know how many times over a measured period (for example, the amount of time that you were actually a customer) all of those participants went to strip clubs and spent the money that they say they spent you still have no concrete numbers to compare your spending to...Your percentage is still BS.


Unlike you, I don't just make shit up in an attempt to curry favor with anyone.

Please enlighten me BEM. How does anything I post here "curry favor" with anyone and what exactly would be the point? No one that I spend money on in strip clubs even reads this board. The women who read my posts here and agree with me have no financial interest in kissing my ass and I have nothing to gain by kissing theirs. It just drives you absolutely fucking crazy that I happen to agree with and support the dancers POV most of the time...

Also, I don't make shit up BEM. You wouldn't know the first thing about the veracity of anything I talk about on this board since you don't know me. Just more pointless bashing and BS'ing on your part in a desperate attempt to fight back.


And where did I say my calculations had a single thing to do with you?

LOL, When did I? I simply used myself as an example of proof that every member of this board has not submitted strip club spending records to you.


That narcissism regarding you in the SC world keeps showing.

No, your obsession with yoda is the only thing shinning through here BEM

bem401
05-20-2010, 06:45 AM
LOL, you've got to be kidding me! You actually took the time to read a thread on a board about strip clubs-something you say you have no interest in-then sat down and do an analysis to determine how many people you used to spend more than when you were actually a customer? That's a good one BEM, you must have a lot of free time on your hands! By the way, unless you know how many times over a measured period (for example, the amount of time that you were actually a customer) all of those participants went to strip clubs and spent the money that they say they spent you still have no concrete numbers to compare your spending to...Your percentage is still BS.

Well maybe it would be time consuming for someone like you to do it, but I participated in the poll 6 months ago, remembered the thread on monthly spending and where my activity as a customer fell. Then again, the responses could have been a load of crap. If not, my spending as a customer landed me right where I said it did.



Please enlighten me BEM. How does anything I post here "curry favor" with anyone and what exactly would be the point? No one that I spend money on in strip clubs even reads this board. The women who read my posts here and agree with me have no financial interest in kissing my ass and I have nothing to gain by kissing theirs.

Then stop doing it for chrissakes. You must have so little to offer personally that you kiss ass endlessly online and pay for companionship endlessly offline.


No, your obsession with yoda is the only thing shinning through here BEM

My obsession with you? I post a comment about upfront cash and you attack me and that constitutes obsession with you? I just don't take shit from anyone, especially someone like you whose life seems to revolve around being a SC custy/hobbyist.

Nearly every time I post something in a thread that requires some thought, you (and sometimes one of those people whose ass you kiss) turn it into an attack on me.

I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing these threads would stay more on topic. If you really feel a need to put me in my place, I've told you before, lets do it face-to-face.

KS_Stevia
05-20-2010, 10:36 AM
**Bends over and waits for yoda to show up and kiss my ass** ;)

yoda57us
05-20-2010, 12:36 PM
**Bends over and waits for yoda to show up and kiss my ass** ;)

If you play your cards right I will do a lot more than kiss it...}:D

yoda57us
05-20-2010, 12:56 PM
Then stop doing it for chrissakes. You must have so little to offer personally that you kiss ass endlessly online and pay for companionship endlessly offline.


Again BEM, you don't know me or anything about me. You come to a board about strip clubs and try to give me a hard time for talking about strip clubs...Do you even understand how ridiculous that is? I will remind you that wasting a stripper's time when she is at work does not make you morally superior to me or any other guy who goes to strip clubs to enjoy tits and ass.



My obsession with you? I post a comment about upfront cash and you attack me and that constitutes obsession with you? I just don't take shit from anyone, especially someone like you whose life seems to revolve around being a SC custy/hobbyist.

Nearly every time I post something in a thread that requires some thought, you (and sometimes one of those people whose ass you kiss) turn it into an attack on me.

I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing these threads would stay more on topic. If you really feel a need to put me in my place, I've told you before, lets do it face-to-face.


Blah blah blah. You post opinions and I take exception to them BEM. Others do as well. That's how chat boards work.

Put you in your place? Please stop trying to act like a tough guy BEM. I don't know you IRL and I have no interest in knowing you. Furthermore the things we discuss and argue about here really have nothing to do with anything beyond how we view strippers and strip clubs. Why on earth would I want to sit in a strip club and argue with you? I know you are a pro at getting banned from clubs but I never have been and I plan to keep it that way.

You are the one who keeps trying to lump my postings here about strip clubs into some sort of blanket generalization of how I conduct my life. You have no clue. If I lived in San Francisco you wouldn't keep telling me to come to your club and settle things "face to face". Why on earth do you think the fact that I live 50 miles away from Providence or that we know a few of the same dancers makes the situation any different? Frankly BEM I wouldn't cross the street to spend five minutes talking to you IRL even if you where buying...and we both know that never happens!

KS_Stevia
05-20-2010, 04:52 PM
I concede, I started this round of bickering up, haha. I just wish guys wouldn't act all butthurt having to pay for dances up front. Its either club policy or your dancer might have been ripped off recently and is taking the cautious route.

But, its no lie that sometimes dancers do it because they get a bad vibe from the guy. Not bad enough to say no to the dance, but they instinctualy feel the guy might be a flight risk. So yeah, sometimes strippers do ask for payment up front because they think there's a good chance you're an asshole.

Alas, the times I've been ripped off, never saw it coming, the custies behaved quite normally and were friendly right up until it was time to pony up.

bem401
05-21-2010, 06:26 AM
Blah blah blah. You post opinions and I take exception to them BEM. Others do as well. That's how chat boards work.

Then attack what I say, not the fact that I said it. Rather than comment on the issue at hand, you choose almost without fail a different route to take. My personal criticisms of you are nothing more than retaliation for digs you choose to send. In this thread alone, you haven't even commented on the content of my first post. You go after me, not what I post. If you wanna go after me, do it face-to-face, not from behind the keyboard.

KS_Stevia
05-21-2010, 10:19 AM
Should I start promoting the boxing match? I'll call Don King.

yoda57us
05-21-2010, 03:18 PM
Therefore, if you ask for the money up front, aren't you already assuming I'm a loser? I think the pettiness and immaturity run both ways. I had dancers willing to do dances with me "on the cuff" because they trusted me to square up with them. Why wouldn't some other girl insisting on pre-payment bug me a little?


Actually I don't really think that a dancer who asks for money up front is assuming you are anything BEM. It's a policy that's all. I don't care for it either but I don't assume that the dancer thinks I'm a malcontent if she asks.



Then attack what I say, not the fact that I said it. Rather than comment on the issue at hand, you choose almost without fail a different route to take.

What do you call the above exchange BEM?

You can not separate the post from the poster on a message board BEM. I don't know you. I am not attacking you. I am disagreeing with your opinions as you post them here. The only one making it personal here is you BEM and, quite honestly, It appears to be completely intentional on your part...

bem401
05-24-2010, 05:39 AM
What do you call the above exchange BEM?

You can not separate the post from the poster on a message board BEM. I don't know you. I am not attacking you. I am disagreeing with your opinions as you post them here. The only one making it personal here is you BEM and, quite honestly, It appears to be completely intentional on your part...

Again, I post something, you attack me more than the post, and I respond accordingly. Criticize what I write, not the fact that I write it, and we can avoid the nonsense.

In this thread, I said I would not have liked to have been asked for money up front when I was a dance-buying customer. You apparently agreed with me but this still devolved into personal stuff through no real fault of mine.

mediocrity
05-24-2010, 05:45 AM
My club in New Orleans REQUIRES payment up front. You pay the cashier your dance money ( $40 for one lap dance, 3 for $100 or half hours and full hours ), you do your dance in the dance room, then the cashier gives the girl her money in vouchers, which we turn in at the end of the night.

I quite like it. Keeps out the cheapasses, and I can blame it on someone else. Never had anyone bitch about it.

bem401
05-24-2010, 06:01 AM
My club in New Orleans REQUIRES payment up front. You pay the cashier your dance money ( $40 for one lap dance, 3 for $100 or half hours and full hours ), you do your dance in the dance room, then the cashier gives the girl her money in vouchers, which we turn in at the end of the night.

I quite like it. Keeps out the cheapasses, and I can blame it on someone else. Never had anyone bitch about it.

Nor would I bitch about it if it were club policy. It would just bug me to be asked up front in a place where that was the exception rather than the rule. I never even said it would stop me from buying the dance. I just wouldn't like it and would feel a little insulted by it.

KS_Stevia
05-24-2010, 03:34 PM
My club in New Orleans REQUIRES payment up front. You pay the cashier your dance money ( $40 for one lap dance, 3 for $100 or half hours and full hours ), you do your dance in the dance room, then the cashier gives the girl her money in vouchers, which we turn in at the end of the night.

I quite like it. Keeps out the cheapasses, and I can blame it on someone else. Never had anyone bitch about it.

Good idea. I got ripped off twice dancing in New Orleans (although I did several strip trips with no problem) because drunk-ass tourist customers would get a dance then sober up and realize they were out of money. Fortunately, both time, I bitched to management and they comped my house fees, but that's because I am a pushy bitch.

Dammit, now I wanna go back and dance in NOLA! }:D

yoda57us
05-24-2010, 04:16 PM
Again, I post something, you attack me more than the post, and I respond accordingly. Criticize what I write, not the fact that I write it, and we can avoid the nonsense.


Well, you can always just stop posting. That would eliminate all of the nonsense.

mediocrity
05-24-2010, 05:43 PM
Well, you can always just stop posting. That would eliminate all of the nonsense.

Just fyi yoda, I LOL'ed my proverbial face off at this.

yoda57us
05-24-2010, 06:31 PM
Just fyi yoda, I LOL'ed my proverbial face off at this.

Thanks Med! As the official SW stiletto-licking-ass-kissing dancer suck-up that's all I could have hoped for! :) ;)

sananeko
05-24-2010, 06:56 PM
I always get my payment upfront. I tell them its just a rule I have and make a joke about tips. After that I never ask for tips I find it too pushy for my style. When I get dances I pay upfront if I'm asked which never seems to happen, and I always tip afterward unless it was really bad..

bem401
05-25-2010, 05:21 AM
Well, you can always just stop posting. That would eliminate all of the nonsense.

How would this eliminate all your nonsense and brown-nosing? I realize I am the antithesis to the veteran SC PL with a pocketful of 20's , but you'd still be posting.

KS_Stevia
05-25-2010, 01:30 PM
Sense when is agreement brown nosing? As yoda has said a million times, he has nothing to gain from kissing our asses on this site.

yoda57us
05-25-2010, 07:40 PM
How would this eliminate all your nonsense and brown-nosing? I realize I am the antithesis to the veteran SC PL with a pocketful of 20's , but you'd still be posting.

BEM you are not the antitheses of anything. You are just a guy looking for attention from strippers without paying for it. If you are satisfied with stealing glimpses of naked women out of the corner of your eye in the clubs and posting on a board populated by customers and dancers as a non-customer that's fine by me. I don't really give a rat's ass who's time you waste in the club but I simply can't resist poking holes in your twisted logic when you try to post it here.

yoda57us
05-25-2010, 07:46 PM
...As yoda has said a million times, he has nothing to gain from kissing our asses on this site.

Absolutely true! Of course, kissing ass in person is another story entirely! }:D

lopaw
05-25-2010, 07:47 PM
I concede, I started this round of bickering up, haha. I just wish guys wouldn't act all butthurt having to pay for dances up front. Its either club policy or your dancer might have been ripped off recently and is taking the cautious route.

But, its no lie that sometimes dancers do it because they get a bad vibe from the guy. Not bad enough to say no to the dance, but they instinctualy feel the guy might be a flight risk. So yeah, sometimes strippers do ask for payment up front because they think there's a good chance you're an asshole.

Alas, the times I've been ripped off, never saw it coming, the custies behaved quite normally and were friendly right up until it was time to pony up.



With the one recent exception when I was asked for $$ up front for a VIP in Vegas, I had never been asked before, and on return home have not been asked since. I assume that in that Vegas club ALL custies were asked for the cash up front.....coz honestly - if I had witnessed other custies paying AFTER their dances, I'd have been mighty pissed off. It might just have been that the dancer had been ripped off the week before by a well dressed, sober female custie....who knows? In that case she definitely should have been cautious. But I still would have felt slighted :(.

KS_Stevia
05-26-2010, 08:39 AM
With the one recent exception when I was asked for $$ up front for a VIP in Vegas, I had never been asked before, and on return home have not been asked since. I assume that in that Vegas club ALL custies were asked for the cash up front.....coz honestly - if I had witnessed other custies paying AFTER their dances, I'd have been mighty pissed off. It might just have been that the dancer had been ripped off the week before by a well dressed, sober female custie....who knows? In that case she definitely should have been cautious. But I still would have felt slighted :(.

In some Vegas VIP areas, bouncers require that the dancers get paid up front. Often the bouncers/hosts will facilitate it themselves. They aren't doing it because they care about the dancers, they are protecting their cut. $20 floor dances are usually paid after the dance.

Plus, sooooooooo many drunk custies in Vegas that have run out of money and don't even realize it. Or, drunks that sober up fast when they get the bill. This happened with a guy I was with. We got VIP with two girls and the VIP waitress padded the hell out of our bill with drinks we didn't order. He FLIPPED out and started making a scene and wouldn't pay, so I brought out my credit card and paid for it because I didn't want to get thrown out into the alley on my ass. He paid me back the next day after I broke down the invoice for him and he realized he looked like an ass.


But imagine if that guy didn't have me. He would have stiffed the dancers $400 and stiffed the club $200...this is all before tax and tip as well....

I've never asked a female custy to pre-pay. However I did get ripped off by a female once, sort of. She wanted a dance. Afterwards, she went to her purse to pay and had no cash. She was with 2 guys and they REFUSED to lend her the money to pay for our dance even though they were watching and cheering us on. Fucking assholes...people can really turn into douches when they've been drinking.

lopaw
05-26-2010, 08:24 PM
I've never asked a female custy to pre-pay. However I did get ripped off by a female once, sort of. She wanted a dance. Afterwards, she went to her purse to pay and had no cash. She was with 2 guys and they REFUSED to lend her the money to pay for our dance even though they were watching and cheering us on. Fucking assholes...people can really turn into douches when they've been drinking.


That sucks.

"Drinking makes such fools of people, and people are such fools to begin with, that it's compounding a felony." ~Robert Benchley





In some Vegas VIP areas, bouncers require that the dancers get paid up front. Often the bouncers/hosts will facilitate it themselves. They aren't doing it because they care about the dancers, they are protecting their cut. $20 floor dances are usually paid after the dance.


Now that I think about it....I remember that the cutie in Vegas who asked me to pre-pay seemed almost embarrassed about asking me. Might have been a bouncer thing. At least I'd like to think that ;).

Cheo_D
05-28-2010, 06:01 AM
Myself, as a patron I have no problem with upfront pay for the dance fee. As someone else said, it makes me check to be sure I'm not running out. As to tips, in the case of a cash-basis floor/table dance I prefer tipping afterwards; if I'm charging it for the private room I'm OK with placing a hold on a reasonable baseline tip amount, that I can then adjust upwards when settling at the end.

minnow
05-30-2010, 12:11 AM
Pay for one dance, no tip, and move on. Or, just say no.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Word . Particularly the later option. My experience with dancers who asked for upfront payment in clubs/settings where it is not customary were mostly mediocre to subpar dances. The last real good upfront pay dance for me happened over 10 years ago.

Save for time based VIP packages,(and 2 So Cal DV clubs with cash machine/ light timer system that I visited- once) upfront payment for dances has not been customary in the clubs that I've visited.

I agree with some prior posters views on the tone that is set and how it deviates from societal norms (e.g. None of my employers fronted my salary to me prior to my first days work). Yet, I can also see the rationale for prepaying in certain settings (special VIP rooms, especially on SRO nights). That squares with downpayment minimums for auto and home purchases. Yet, as I wouldn't buy a car without a test drive, or a home without a pre-purchase inspection, neither will I prepay VIP without trying regular dances first.

Alex_Nash
05-30-2010, 04:37 PM
I’ve only been asked to pay up front once and it did catch me off guard. Still didn’t matter I tipped at the end of the dance. A $10 tip on a $20 dance, it would have been more but I didn’t like the dance much. Not to say it wasn’t good a good dance, just not what I liked.
The only two times I didn’t tip was once when I paid up front with a new girl for several dances, I had gotten a couple earlier in the night from her and thought she would be my new favorite. Unfortunately she decided that she could “take me” or something. As a result she lost a tip that would have been twice what she pulled, and a potential regular. I never said anything but she was fired for doing the same thing a couple weeks later to a friend of the owner.
The other was when a drunk dancer tried to give me an “extra”. When I jumped and moved to prevent her from freeing willy she was confused and neither of us knew what to do for the remainder of the dance. Lol
So yes paying up front is no problem and something I will probably do more often by choice after reading this thread. But how do you know how much you will be tipping till the dance is done, so ill still tip at the end.