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rickdugan
05-27-2010, 07:35 PM
i don't go looking for extras i am never on the floor asking a girl wat she will do before vip, if i do a couple dances and i like the girl will just take her to vip. Extras are sometimes hard to turn down if you are quite intoxicated which i am most of the time. Should i have to really say i want to be teased i don't know.

Also my probelm as a frequent vip customer girls hear about me or see me around spending a lot of money so they instantly think well he wants extras not the case just go to have fun, if extras happen once in a while ok. But not 90 percent of the time where i feel like a john in the room.

What ridiculous bullshit. "Oh, I just want to be teased but I am just a man - it's the fault of management and the dancers that I pull out my dick and get it sucked." This is passive-aggressive, attention seeking bragging.

There are still plenty of clubs in NYC where VIP is not an automatic ejaculation - particularly in some of the corporate owned clubs. But he makes damn sure to go to the clubs where it is going to happen. Also, knowing he is likely to do so once drinking, he makes sure to drink enough to get his liquid courage in order. He has choices all along the way but chooses to put himself in a position to get his dick sucked.

I also go to some of the NYC clubs and it is not quite the string of brothels that is being characterized. Yes things can be fairly dirty in some of these places, but not the dick swinging in the open air with girls lining up for a turn type of atmosphere that is being portrayed here.

Christyismyalias
05-27-2010, 09:07 PM
I dont think he's really bragging, merely stating a fact. Girls give too much away and it isn't a tease anymore. It is like a brothel, as he said.
As a clean dancer, I appreciate the fact that you said it.

I do agree that you do add to the problem when you accept the extras. Why not tell the girl no thanks, that you want to be teased and that she doesn't have to do all that and try to make things better in the club. (each person makes a difference!)
But, on the other hand I know that men are men and will take what's put in their face (literally....). So I mostly blame the dancers. But it is a 2 way street. Both are equally wrong.

It is what it is. No one wants the old SC scene back more than us clean dancers, but it seems to be getting worse and worse... Girls think its the norm b/c that's what they see happening and that's what the guys say. I know I have had a few guys that got mad in my rooms and some have even left in a fit b/c they expected something was going to happen. Even though I never ever promise those kinds of favors, they expect them. If I was a weak dancer I would give in since I would be thinking its the norm. Thankfully I am not! But it is sad to me that some men can't even enjoy a hot naked woman willing to dance and make them feel good, without playing with the penis...

jasmine22
05-28-2010, 03:31 AM
If you don't like it ........don't go. That's like complaining about a restaurant and continuing to eat there.

jasmine22
05-28-2010, 03:37 AM
Nyc vip prices range from 600 to 1k a hour for the room that is without any champagne included so girls charging 20 dollars are selling themselves short

It's hilarious girls don't think penile touching is cheating maybe ist's a under age 25 age thing. I remember talking to one girl in a club in a bronx about how come u don't work in the city at such and such club. Her response was like u have to fuck at such and such club and she would do handjobs thats it cause she has a boyfriend. Yeah i am sure your boyfriend wouldn't care u are touching strange dicks all day and come home to make him dinner with the same hands lmao

Why is it an "under age 25 thing"? Everyone lives differently, some couples are swingers who are in their 40s and 50s. You complain about it yet you continue to get handjobs? It doesnt bother you that shes touching your dick after she touched a strangers? I would worry less about the bf and more about what your doing.....

rickdugan
05-28-2010, 05:31 AM
I believe that he is bragging, but he's also being clever about it. He's playing upon: (1) SW pinks' natural hatred of extras; (2) the (false) theory that all NYC clubs are dirty; and (3) the commonly held belief in here that custies are all just weak and completely lacking in self control.

Of course, in the alternative we could truly believe that he just wants to be teased but that he is a victim of a dirty system. :'(

Omar, I feel your pain man. Tell you what, I hate seeing such a good guy victimized by these dirty girls and managers. Feel free to message me and I'll be happy to point you to the clubs in NYC where beautiful girls will relieve you of $1.5k+ without relieving you of anything else. ;)

jack0177057
05-28-2010, 11:30 AM
Girls give too much away and it isn't a tease anymore.

Its not just dancers, its women in general. A young guy used to have to court a young lady for years and then put a wedding ring on her finger to get to have sex with her. Nowadays, even "old-fashioned" girls will have sex with a guy by the third date. What happened to those great years of blue-balls?

I just hate what the world is becoming. :-\ (I'm being sarcastic.)

To the OP: Tell the dancer up front that she is going to make the same amount of money from you, without having to perform any extras, and I guarantee you that she will respect this.

Harleigh HellKat
05-28-2010, 01:22 PM
I'm under 25 and I think penii touching is cheating. ::)

Kellydancer
05-28-2010, 02:22 PM
Its not just dancers, its women in general. A young guy used to have to court a young lady for years and then put a wedding ring on her finger to get to have sex with her. Nowadays, even "old-fashioned" girls will have sex with a guy by the third date. What happened to those great years of blue-balls?

I just hate what the world is becoming. :-\ (I'm being sarcastic.)

To the OP: Tell the dancer up front that she is going to make the same amount of money from you, without having to perform any extras, and I guarantee you that she will respect this.

Call me old fashioned but I am waiting to have sex with the guy I love. He hasn't pressured me at all (though he did bring up that he does eventually want to have sex). I told him flat out we aren't sleeping together until we are madly in love with each other. I admit I love the fact that I am teasing him because I'm not worried he will find sex somewhere else. Not that I'm judging women or men who have sex right away (been there, done that too) but waiting is best.

This whole thread really is sad. I once got in trouble for kissing a regular on the cheek, yet now much more happens. I loved the teasing with dancing. I loved the fact that I could make money just by my other skills, which didn't include any form of sex.

OmarJones
05-28-2010, 03:52 PM
What ridiculous bullshit. "Oh, I just want to be teased but I am just a man - it's the fault of management and the dancers that I pull out my dick and get it sucked." This is passive-aggressive, attention seeking bragging.

There are still plenty of clubs in NYC where VIP is not an automatic ejaculation - particularly in some of the corporate owned clubs. But he makes damn sure to go to the clubs where it is going to happen. Also, knowing he is likely to do so once drinking, he makes sure to drink enough to get his liquid courage in order. He has choices all along the way but chooses to put himself in a position to get his dick sucked.

I also go to some of the NYC clubs and it is not quite the string of brothels that is being characterized. Yes things can be fairly dirty in some of these places, but not the dick swinging in the open air with girls lining up for a turn type of atmosphere that is being portrayed here.


By corporate owned if you think ricks cabaret and hustler are clean you are kidding yourself. Not saying clubs in nyc are straight jack shacks either saying a whole lot of extras are going on. Yeah there are clubs where there are no extras to be had but a lot of them are the clubs with the as well. less attractive girls. Ten and the Dolls club in nyc don't have the same hiring standards like ricks and hustler for example

Like i said i will take wats given i don't go looking for extras. I am not here to brag just stating my opinion how girls are so nonchalant bout handjobs just amazed by it that's all

rickdugan
05-28-2010, 04:15 PM
Exhibit 1: Bragging


I do admit as a vip customer who has spent thousands a night in some of the clubs, extras are getting boring. Too many girls just doing shit or offering to see u outside the club. Its not even ooh maybe i will get my dick sucked more like how many times i will get it sucked tonight. Clubs are just becoming brothels i miss the tease

Exhibit 2: Fake victimization BS


i don't go looking for extras i am never on the floor asking a girl wat she will do before vip, if i do a couple dances and i like the girl will just take her to vip. Extras are sometimes hard to turn down if you are quite intoxicated which i am most of the time. Should i have to really say i want to be teased i don't know.


about turning them down at the end of the day men are men. I wouldn't take a girl to vip if i wasn't attracted to her in the first place. Now this girl i am attracted to who looks like halle berry offers to suck my dick for 500 and i been drinking all night. Hard thing to turn down. Clubs are at fault they know whats going on. Put cameras in all the rooms and actually watch them and just not have them for show. I know some clubs have cameras and u still can do watever u want in there, as long as aren't trying to strangle a dancer lol

If you were only looking to make the point about girls being free with the handies you could have simply said so. Instead, you went in to a detailed discussion about the big $$$ you purportedly spend in the clubs, followed with details about the services you "frequently receive", then finally lament the fact that the club is letting it all happen. Are you kidding?

If you want to go to a SC without the extras there are plenty to choose from, but you choose to go to a dirtier one, drink heavily and then go for the gold. Fair enough, but then don't come on here with this phony crap about how you miss the tease when you do everything you can to ensure that you are getting anything but.

Oh, and I'm sorry, but did I actually see you blame THE CLUB? Did the club send goons in to hold you down, pour drinks down your throat, rip the VIP money from your hands and then unzip your pants? Seems to me that you are a willing participant - over and over and over.

Like I said, ridiculous bullshit.

Cheo_D
05-28-2010, 04:26 PM
Maybe it's my age showing but frankly from my POV any actual direct genital contact (from either party) will always be "extras", and it is not something that should be taken for granted -- nor that the girls should EVER feel compelled they have to include just to compete. Hottest CR session I ever had, it was chillin' out completely buttoned up (OK, me completely buttoned up, she keeping within regulations) all the way through. Worth every dollar, yet nothing that anyone would get arrested, fired, or lose their bar license for. THAT's a good performance.

mediocrity
05-28-2010, 05:01 PM
Exhibit 1: Bragging



Exhibit 2: Fake victimization BS





If you were only looking to make the point about girls being free with the handies you could have simply said so. Instead, you went in to a detailed discussion about the big $$$ you purportedly spend in the clubs, followed with details about the services you "frequently receive", then finally lament the fact that the club is letting it all happen. Are you kidding?

If you want to go to a SC without the extras there are plenty to choose from, but you choose to go to a dirtier one, drink heavily and then go for the gold. Fair enough, but then don't come on here with this phony crap about how you miss the tease when you do everything you can to ensure that you are getting anything but.

Oh, and I'm sorry, but did I actually see you blame THE CLUB? Did the club send goons in to hold you down, pour drinks down your throat, rip the VIP money from your hands and then unzip your pants? Seems to me that you are a willing participant - over and over and over.

Like I said, ridiculous bullshit.


I am really, really starting to like you rick.

That being said hand jobs are gross. Now that I don't drink at work anymore, I've got ridiculously good aim. And I love to throw things at the girls that do that stuff.

rickdugan
05-28-2010, 06:11 PM
I am really, really starting to like you rick.

Thank you kindly, though that will likely change the next time I post something about OTC or other monger topics, but I'll take it when I can get it ;) Belated congrats also on the marriage!

I probably went a little over the top, but weak minded hypocrisy and BS from a grown man drive me nuts.

mediocrity
05-28-2010, 06:19 PM
^^ I don't take issue with OTC nearly as much as I do ITC. If you want to be a hooker, own that shit all day. Just don't do it in my workplace for cheap either. Hell don't do it ITC for expensive. Get a hotel room or some shit.

And thanks for your congratulations. :) My husband is awesome. It's nice being married to someone in the business who gets it.

lopaw
05-28-2010, 06:32 PM
3- I don't consider vajayjay touching cheating. :D I just don't do it in the club. Don't get me wrong, I've thought about it. But even vajayjay ain't worth jail.

mmmm vajayjay.


HH-

For yourself - do you really consider hootchie touching not cheating?

I am in a conundrum about that. On the one hand, claiming that the hootchie pot is fair game and not really cheating opens up a whole new world of opportunity for many women, and helps them explore their sexuality in a way that they might not normally do if they thought that they were cheating. HOWEVER.....on the other hand, saying that vajayjay playtime is not really cheating really minimizes lesbian sexuality and renders it as rather insignificant and meaningless - something to not be taken seriously. As a practicing lesbian (practice makes perfect!), I will not stand to have my gonads undermined!

What's a girl to do?

That's my philosophical question for the day. Now back to handjobs in VIP ::)

Slin
05-28-2010, 07:41 PM
I thought NYC clubs (at least in Manhattan) had a reputation for being "clean"...outside of Scores of course. I've been to Flashdancers a bunch of times and have never been offered anything.

rickdugan
05-28-2010, 07:51 PM
I thought NYC clubs (at least in Manhattan) had a reputation for being "clean"...outside of Scores of course. I've been to Flashdancers a bunch of times and have never been offered anything.

If you are just doing regular laps then this is largely true. In NYC VIP is the name of the game, especially with the nut that these girls need to cover each night just to work in these clubs. In some clubs the girls are semi-nuns in the regular lapdance area and something else in the VIP. VIP is very expensive ($500+ and in some places 1K) and many guys aren't going to spend that kind of money if they are walking out with blue balls.

Having said that, it is not as blatant or guaranteed as our OP makes it out to be. Also, like anyplace, some clubs are cleaner than others.

Melonie
05-29-2010, 12:48 AM
If you are just doing regular laps than this is largely true. In NYC VIP is the name of the game, especially with the nut that these girls need to cover each night just to work in these clubs. In some clubs the girls are semi-nuns in the regular lapdance area and something else in the VIP. VIP is very expensive ($500+ and in some places 1K) and many guys aren't going to spend that kind of money if they are walking out with blue balls.

^^^ If anybody has been wondering why I retired from live dancing ... there you go !!! ^^^

I'll add that Manhattan clubs didn't used to be this way ... but they were never squeaky-clean. My own observation is that the sleaze factor began to accelerate after the 1999 tech bust / 9-11-2001 attack, and started to become dominant after the economic downturn of 2007 began to devastate the Manhattan brokers / bankers. Even though the markets have recovered somewhat and the brokers / bankers again have big money to spend, the 'new normal' that was established re extras has not ( and will not ) reverse itself.

As long as we're discussing this situation candidly, I'll add that the 'Manhattan club business model' has been instrumental in pushing dancers towards this 'new normal' re extras. For those who aren't familiar, Manhattan clubs operate differently than clubs in most other areas of the country that charge a relatively small stage fee but collect a percentage of dancers' private dance / VIP sales. In Manhattan clubs, for the most part the dancers get to keep 100% of the private dance / VIP money they earn, but instead are required to pony up a very substantial stage fee. Between that stage fee and mandatory tipouts, in many Manhattan clubs you're looking at the dancer ponying up $300 per shift before she gets to keep dollar one for herself. With this business model, any dancer who can't sell $300 worth of private dances / VIP's during that shift literally loses money. Also, Manhattan is not a 'cheap' place to live or stay in. Thus 'clean' dancers who are unable to consistently sell >$600 worth of private dances / VIP's quickly find themselves in a financially unsustainable situation. And as those low earning but 'clean' dancers have left, the percentage of remaining dancers who are willing to 'do what is necessary' in order to earn sufficient money has risen.

I would also point out that this situation has affected not only house dancers but feature dancers. 10 years ago the feature fees and club covered expenses were sufficiently high for feature dancers to earn a reasonable amount of money by just performing. However, over those past 10 years, feature fees and club covered expenses have fallen to the point where it makes no economic sense for a feature to come to Manhattan just to perform at a club. The net result has been that you now see mostly porn star based features ... based on the fact that these girls are earning the majority of their money from OTC 'performances', and using their club feature booking mostly as a means of writing off their travel and accomodation expenses. See to see what I'm talking about. In fact, the argument can be made that the gradual change toward porn star based features has also contributed to the gradual change in extras expectation by club customers, which in turn has gradually increased pressure on house dancers to either deliver extras or find a new location / career ! Or again to put it bluntly, if a Manhattan ( feature ) club customer can get a HJ/BJ from a full fledged porn star for ~$1000, what are that customer's expectations going to be when spending ~$500 for a VIP with a house dancer ???

~

anouk.oui
05-29-2010, 12:56 AM
i like the missing the tease part. most of the time the response to a private dance is
oh so all im getting for my money is a prick tease while for the same amount i can get a bj anywhere else?
im sick of people asking for extras and wish sex acts for money in clubs just didnt exist

Melonie
05-29-2010, 01:31 AM
^^^ it would appear that the 'new normal' is international as well !?!?!

Lexi_Girl
05-29-2010, 07:52 AM
See http://www.bodymiracle.com/seemore/indexrates2007.html to see what I'm talking about.

~

O_O Yikes that's cheap, relatively speaking...

GrlWithTheMost
05-29-2010, 08:08 AM
I agree, but as former law enforcer [detective] I can tell you from my reading here that a lot of dancers have rather unrealistic views on what is legal prostitution and what isn't.

What constitutes an "extra" and what is actually legal prostitution is very different if using the definitions that frequently float about here.

In many states just the average grind you find in most contact clubs, hardly an "extra", could be considered prostitution. Only an air dance wouldn't qualify as prostitution in those jurisdictions. Not even that if flashing of "sexualized areas of the body" takes place "for the purposes of titillation or sexual arousal".

Just saying... don't beat me up over it. :)

Agreed. In the relatively SMALL, and conservative town here, a dancer friend of mine got a prostetution charge for hip thrusting on the floor... basically humping the floor on stage @ a club.. She is VERY clean dancer and LE was just looking for every reason to get this club shut down and ppl in jail

Everyman
05-29-2010, 09:18 AM
In Manhattan clubs, for the most part the dancers get to keep 100% of the private dance / VIP money they earn, but instead are required to pony up a very substantial stage fee. Between that stage fee and mandatory tipouts, in many Manhattan clubs you're looking at the dancer ponying up $300 per shift before she gets to keep dollar one for herself. With this business model, any dancer who can't sell $300 worth of private dances / VIP's during that shift literally loses money. Also, Manhattan is not a 'cheap' place to live or stay in. Thus 'clean' dancers who are unable to consistently sell >$600 worth of private dances / VIP's quickly find themselves in a financially unsustainable situation. And as those low earning but 'clean' dancers have left, the percentage of remaining dancers who are willing to 'do what is necessary' in order to earn sufficient money has risen.

.... if a Manhattan ( feature ) club customer can get a HJ/BJ from a full fledged porn star for ~$1000, what are that customer's expectations going to be when spending ~$500 for a VIP with a house dancer ???

Geez....at these prices, if you want to ejaculate with someone else's help, isn't it more cost-efficient at some point to just use escorts? I realize the MAIN reason to use stripper/pros is you get to window-shop for the exact look you want, while escorts are much more of a roulette wheel. Still...if I'm spending hundreds, I would want full service at the least. I don't do that, but here in the SL clubs I get what most everyone would consider extras elsewhere -- most things short of happy ending -- for the price of a normal $25 lap.

I can't fathom paying hundreds of dollars more just to come.

OmarJones
05-29-2010, 09:23 AM
I thought NYC clubs (at least in Manhattan) had a reputation for being "clean"...outside of Scores of course. I've been to Flashdancers a bunch of times and have never been offered anything.

flash is clean rooms ain't that private as far as i remember.

OmarJones
05-29-2010, 09:28 AM
rick what i mean is that girls tend to blame the custys yada yada, but if the club is allowing it to happen can't exactly blame the custys for the extras always. The club cant put a stop to it if they want to, they just choose not too.
I didn't mean to come off as bragging wasn't my intention if that is what u felt was going on. Im just speaking the truth about wat is going on with me as my customer frown my own experiences. I am not saying i am not to blame at all. Just saying clubs owners and managers are the first defense in stopping extras they just tend to close their eyes or encourage it.

rickdugan
05-29-2010, 10:46 AM
rick what i mean is that girls tend to blame the custys yada yada, but if the club is allowing it to happen can't exactly blame the custys for the extras always. The club cant put a stop to it if they want to, they just choose not too.
I didn't mean to come off as bragging wasn't my intention if that is what u felt was going on. Im just speaking the truth about wat is going on with me as my customer frown my own experiences. I am not saying i am not to blame at all. Just saying clubs owners and managers are the first defense in stopping extras they just tend to close their eyes or encourage it.

This reads a lot like a woman posing as a "custy" - no man I know would "sound" this pathetic while continually going into SCs to get serviced. You miss the tease, REALLY? This feels like a comic book version of a PL who would otherwise be a wonderful SC patron, but that was taken away from the good girls by the bad girls, the managers and the system.

Having said that, if you are actually a man :confused:...

If you take extras it is on you, period. If you drink it is also on you, period. If you want a tease go to a place that will give you just that and no more - they do still exist. You don't because you WANT the happy-ending, so stop the whiney bullshit about how you "miss the tease."

And when I say this stuff I do so as a guy who drinks straight Jack in clubs and does all sorts of ITC and OTC things with strippers that would definately be frowned upon here, so my issues are not with what you do, just about your ridiculous posts.

As an aside, I also despise the stereotype that you represent, which is the weak willed drunken PL that just can't say no. I turn down ITC offers all the time, again not for moral reasons, but because no matter how much a girl rubs my penis I have no intention of pulling it out in most of these shitholes, regardless of how drunk I am. But when I take a girl out, or in the few clubs where I will actually get involved in edgier ITC activities, it is all on me. I drank the Jack, paid the money, went in to the private booth, etc., et al.

If you really are a man, then be one. Stop blaming other people for your actions and take some personal responsibility. :banghead:

rickdugan
05-29-2010, 11:08 AM
^^^And sorry everyone for the rants - I usually don't do this on the pink side.

jack0177057
06-01-2010, 01:41 PM
rick what i mean is that girls tend to blame the custys yada yada, but if the club is allowing it to happen can't exactly blame the custys for the extras always. The club cant put a stop to it if they want to, they just choose not too.

We each have to acknowledge our own role in this downward spiral, instead of pointing the finger somewhere else. I've never purchased the happy-ending extras (although they've been offered to me many times), but I admit that I have enjoyed some heavy contact "extras" from time to time - I didn't ask for them, but I happily accepted them.

The clubs obviously want to maximize their profits, but there is a legal reason they don't want to micro-manage the dancers - These dancers are supposed to be indepdent contractors. Legally, if the club gets too involved in micro-managing the dancers, that legal status may change and the club will be liable for employment taxes plus any criminal activity conducted by its "employees".

Of all the parties involved, clearly the custie has the final say. Trust me on this - tell the girl up-front that you love to be teased, without extras, and that she'll make the same amount of money teasing you, as she would giving you extras. With this information, she'll have no incentive to offer extras (unless you are irresistable to her and she wants to do it for the sheer pleasure of it). If you are serious about your grievance, follow this advice. Dancers want to make money and make regulars - so if your "fetish" is to be teased mercilessly, and she is made aware of this,... she will oblige.

It also sounds like you're getting drunk in the SC, that is not a smart move. If your goal is to get drunk, do it somewhere else. Would you get drunk before purchasing a car and then bitch about being taken advantage of by the salesperson? When you step into a SC, you are certain to be entering into one or more business transactions with sexy and clever women that skilled at separating men from their money. Getting totally hammered is not smart - unless you leave your wallet in the car and just bring in sufficient cash for some teases.

Harleigh HellKat
06-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Agreed... people definitely should take responsibility for their own actions.

mediocrity
06-02-2010, 11:56 AM
We each have to acknowledge our own role in this downward spiral, instead of pointing the finger somewhere else. I've never purchased the happy-ending extras (although they've been offered to me many times), but I admit that I have enjoyed some heavy contact "extras" from time to time - I didn't ask for them, but I happily accepted them.

The clubs obviously want to maximize their profits, but there is a legal reason they don't want to micro-manage the dancers - These dancers are supposed to be indepdent contractors. Legally, if the club gets too involved in micro-managing the dancers, that legal status may change and the club will be liable for employment taxes plus any criminal activity conducted by its "employees".

Of all the parties involved, clearly the custie has the final say. Trust me on this - tell the girl up-front that you love to be teased, without extras, and that she'll make the same amount of money teasing you, as she would giving you extras. With this information, she'll have no incentive to offer extras (unless you are irresistable to her and she wants to do it for the sheer pleasure of it). If you are serious about your grievance, follow this advice. Dancers want to make money and make regulars - so if your "fetish" is to be teased mercilessly, and she is made aware of this,... she will oblige.

It also sounds like you're getting drunk in the SC, that is not a smart move. If your goal is to get drunk, do it somewhere else. Would you get drunk before purchasing a car and then bitch about being taken advantage of by the salesperson? When you step into a SC, you are certain to be entering into one or more business transactions with sexy and clever women that skilled at separating men from their money. Getting totally hammered is not smart - unless you leave your wallet in the car and just bring in sufficient cash for some teases.

Solid post jack, for reals. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Melonie
06-02-2010, 12:04 PM
See to see what I'm talking about.

O_O Yikes that's cheap, relatively speaking...


And even at these prices the porn stars are 'accomodating' market forces. Up until the 2008 recession, no self-respecting porn star would consider doing a 'private performance' for less than $1000. However, the economic reality is that a lot of potential / regular customers simply can't afford to pony up $1000+ anymore. This in turn resulted in the introduction of 30 minute 'private sessions' at about half the price. More guys, less talking, more stroking - but at the end of the day the girl still winds up earning the necessary number of dollars ( albeit from ~twice as many guys and requiring ~twice as many baby wipes ! ).

CherryBomb954
06-03-2010, 01:02 AM
If you take extras it is on you, period.


Thank you.

So simple a comment but so BOLD a statement.

bumrubber
06-10-2010, 04:15 PM
I had to laugh but actually agree. It seems like the norm.

To me it makes my hustle better. I offer something that no one else does. ;)

I'd rather buy what you're selling! Smart, witty, and charming hustle is interesting and exciting, and this is what I go to SCs for (besides ogling the flesh). Nothing like a witty girl with a great ass...

Miniman
06-28-2010, 08:33 PM
Good God. I've never been offered an extra in any club I have been in (well, except Chez Pierre's in Edmonton, but turns out that was just a whorehouse after all!). I have never asked for an extra in a club either. Can't someone just go to a club and enjoy naked girls dancing?

Harleigh HellKat
06-28-2010, 08:59 PM
^I wish there were more custies like you! <3

bambiblue
06-29-2010, 10:20 PM
I dont think he's bragging, and let's face it...boys will be boys....

alot of guys who "miss the tease" quit coming to the club bcuz the nasties chased them out.... I dont think you can blame a guy for taking sum of these "skanks" up on their offers...but eventually when the blood goes back to the guys head he realizes exactly what's going on... the power is in the dancers hands...if no1 offered extras... the guys would settle for what they could get... which back in my day was undivided attention from a beautiful girl who didnt bitch at him like his wife does... plain and simple...

Miniman
07-23-2010, 09:15 PM
...the guys would settle for what they could get... which back in my day was undivided attention from a beautiful girl who didnt bitch at him like his wife does... plain and simple...

Bambi - I hate to be argumentative. It is not my style. But not all of us who come to the clubs do so because we have a wife at home who bitch at us. And certainly I don't come to a club to "settle for what I could get." I think you do yourself and your customers a disfavour by over-simplifying the customer-dancer dynamic.

tronie
07-23-2010, 09:18 PM
Is it me but seems at least in nyc handjobs come with the room girls don't even consider it a extra anymore quite disturbing to say the least. Had a conversation with a girl last week she feels if she gives hj and bj in the club its ok, but having sex outside would make her a prostitute. By u doing handjobs u are already a prostitute. Soon sex wont even be a extra only if u give the anal that is a extra lmao

I do admit as a vip customer who has spent thousands a night in some of the clubs, extras are getting boring. Too many girls just doing shit or offering to see u outside the club. Its not even ooh maybe i will get my dick sucked more like how many times i will get it sucked tonight. Clubs are just becoming brothels i miss the tease

Come to Atlanta. You can spend thousands on me and I can promise a tease is all you will get. ;)

sadbuttrue
07-27-2010, 07:14 PM
Actually sometimes I feel like a "nut". Sometimes I don't.

In my area there are some clubs you can go to get whatever you want and they actually aren't that interested in you if you don't want that ("read" less money). Some clubs a handjob is about as common as a handshake, but it's very hard to get anything more. But from a lot of these girls you won't get any good dances, so you can go elsewhere.

-Sad-

rickdugan
07-28-2010, 01:07 PM
I dont think he's bragging, and let's face it...boys will be boys....

alot of guys who "miss the tease" quit coming to the club bcuz the nasties chased them out.... I dont think you can blame a guy for taking sum of these "skanks" up on their offers...but eventually when the blood goes back to the guys head he realizes exactly what's going on... the power is in the dancers hands...if no1 offered extras... the guys would settle for what they could get... which back in my day was undivided attention from a beautiful girl who didnt bitch at him like his wife does... plain and simple...

I think that this is something of a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" type of question. Did guys stop spending on the tease because the girls got looser, or did the girls become more willing because they had to in order to get guys to keep spending in tougher times?

Now I'm not a subscriber to the theory that extras were not widely available in the past (I've been doing this for 15 years) but I will agree that they are more blatant and easier to obtain now.

The balance of power has definately shifted and I cannot say that I'm unhappy about it as a guy. I will say, though, that I don't have much use for extended teases and would not be in clubs nearly so often if that was all that was on the menu, so I am spending a lot more in clubs than would otherwise be the case.

Of course, it could be that there are also a lot of tease fans no longer going to the clubs, so there may be some offset, but I have to wonder how much more or less the girls would make in many areas if extras weren't available.

VinTex
11-12-2010, 01:19 AM
I don't get it. Even if a super hot guy came up to me and was like "Would you like me to get you off?" I'd be all WTF I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU! I really can't see an attractive, decent guy being all "Oh of course stranger, jerk me off at will!"

Shit baffles me.

When it comes to sex, men's brains and women's brains are literally wired differently. A woman's sexuality really depends on her mood, how hot the guy is, the context (where and when), and the guy's personality.

Guys are totally different. It's a scientific fact. Men get excited about getting handjobs from random women - even if they're not that attractive. Women feel some things are gross if offered by an average-looking guy at some random time, but a man will feel that it's really hot if offered by an average-looking woman. And if she's hot, men pretty much lose their minds.

lawdude
11-12-2010, 01:25 PM
Since this thread got bumped back up, let me say that I perceive that at least in the clubs I go to in Southern California, extras are a lot more in the open in several ways than they were 10 or 15 years ago:

1. Dancers will actually mention extras, either explicitly ("I'll play with your dick") or implicitly ("I have a condom in case things get messy") in their hustle. This NEVER happened years ago and I always assumed that this sort of thing was VERY dangerous for dancers and customers alike because it is an explicit solicitation.

2. Dancers are violating the club rules immediately upon starting a lap dance. Breasts get shoved into customers' mouths. Hands get placed on outside, or inside, of pants. Etc.

3. Dancers are offering up extras even to customers they have never seen before. Whereas in the past this was something one heard about when there was a regular customer and an "all time favorite" dancer.

4. Large tips are not asked for upfront for extras.

5. More dancers are offering them. Again, in the past, there were girls who got talked about on internet sites who were the girls that people would go to if they wanted extras. Most girls didn't offer them. Now, it's much more explicit (again see 1, above)... perhaps some of them are misleading customers in the hustle (that's possible) but it certainly seems like the number of dancers who offer the extras is much higher than in the past.

6. Much more mileage is being offered even outside the lapdance room. People sitting at the tip rail get breasts shoved in their face and sometimes hands placed down into their crotch. Instead of dancers approaching seated customers, putting their hand on the customer's shoulder, and saying "you wanna dance", dancers will now often sit down and start feeling up the customers. Again, it isn't uncommon to have a hand placed in the customer's crotch or the customer's hands directed to the dancer's breasts or crotch.

I don't want to get into the "bragging" debate, so I'm not going to either disingenuously complain about this or say that it's great. It is what it is. But I certainly think that the strip club experience, in the Los Angeles area, is completely different now than it was when I first started going to clubs.

little miss stripper
11-12-2010, 02:26 PM
Maybe when it was said "I miss the tease"....what was meant was "I miss the chase"... You miss feeling like your money was getting you something beyond what everyone else was getting. I can image that custies who enjoy extras lose their excitement in them the more prevalent they become. Just part and parcel of being jaded. If you really are spending big money, then my personal belief is that you enjoyed the girls "working hard" to earn it and took some egotistical pride in feeling as though you got what others didn't because of what you could afford. Now, the girls do extras, you say freely, so you don't feel as though they are doing anything above and beyond for you and your wallet. Well, boo hoo, now you're just a John...just another customer who wants to get his rocks off. Think back, what behavior did you project to make the girls believe that all you were interested in was extras? At this point you may have a hard time finding a clean girl who will tease you and remind you there is more to you than your wallet and cock. I am clean, and have noticed that most girls who are clean, stay very very far from guys with reputations for liking the extras girls. Personally, I think you're a big boy and will be able to sort this out quite simply by not keeping known extras girls at your table and by turning down those whose conversations include only a list of services but no actual intelligence. You need someone to someone to stroke your ego...not your dick.

lawdude
11-12-2010, 03:19 PM
I think your john / strip club customer dichotomy is too simplistic. The extras are clearly part of the standard menu at these places. But that doesn't mean the customer has to take them. Customers clearly can, and do, say no thanks to lots of lap dance solicitations, including the ones with explicit details. Or they can seek out dancers who are clearly not offering extras if they don't want them. Or they may go so far but no farther when it comes to extras (I suspect lots of customers who have significant others draw these sorts of lines).

What has changed is that the extras are now out in the open when they used to be something you heard about secretively from friends or other customers or on the internet, they are being offered by lots of dancers rather than only by someone's "all time favorite", and they have been incorporated into the standard strip club experience rather than being something that only went on in the VIP room after some negotiations and significant payments. But even in this world, it's still possible for customers to turn them down and nobody's forcing them to do anything they don't want to do. Thus, I think there are still a lot of non-john customers even in this environment.

unbeleavable
11-12-2010, 06:43 PM
What are these extras you guys are talking about?....lol

lopaw
11-12-2010, 08:09 PM
When it comes to sex, men's brains and women's brains are literally wired differently. A woman's sexuality really depends on her mood, how hot the guy is, the context (where and when), and the guy's personality.

Guys are totally different. It's a scientific fact. Men get excited about getting handjobs from random women - even if they're not that attractive. Women feel some things are gross if offered by an average-looking guy at some random time, but a man will feel that it's really hot if offered by an average-looking woman. And if she's hot, men pretty much lose their minds.


Oh bullshit.
Everyone is different.
Gender stereotyping is crap.

Hopper
11-13-2010, 02:16 AM
In all the time I have been going to SCs I have never been offered extras. I have only ever heard of a few cases second hand. This despite the fact that all the clubs near me are high contact clubs and both stage dances and LDs are very explicit (though this varies with individual dancers).

I don't buy VIP dances or even very long LDs but even so, no strippers have ever offered me extras in order to persuade me to do so. I thought also maybe it is because I only get LDs from the more attractive strippers, who don't need to offer extras. I'd expect that only the less attractive strippers need to offer extras to compete for LDs. But if they were offering extras, they would be offering them during the hustle, not necessarily waiting until during LDs. (I know that what is attractive is subject to taste, but certain types of girl are attractive to most men and certain types are not.)

The touching in clubs I go to would be considered extras in non-contact clubs, of course, but touching of genital areas and mouth contact is not allowed (by either the stripper or the customer). There is grinding, but I understand that happens in non-contact clubs. I'm not sure if that is against the rules in clubs I go to or in clubs elsewhere, because I am only told the rules I have to follow, not the rules the dancers have to follow. But I have had strippers grind on me in plain sight of the controllers.

There were one or two reports in the local media a year ago about extras and other seedy activity in SCs (such as violence and drug use) but since those reports also mentioned the introduction of government inspections and tighter regulation, I suspect that the articles were written merely to drum up support for these. The government invents excuses to intervene in all industries.

Personally I would not accept extras in SCs because of the legal and health risks alone (and the mess). Nor do I need to.

yoda57us
11-13-2010, 07:07 AM
When it comes to sex, men's brains and women's brains are literally wired differently. A woman's sexuality really depends on her mood, how hot the guy is, the context (where and when), and the guy's personality.

Guys are totally different. It's a scientific fact. Men get excited about getting handjobs from random women - even if they're not that attractive. Women feel some things are gross if offered by an average-looking guy at some random time, but a man will feel that it's really hot if offered by an average-looking woman. And if she's hot, men pretty much lose their minds.

Congratulations on this weeks most clueless post....

Hopper
11-13-2010, 07:57 AM
^Well it pretty much describes me and apparently mediocrity too. If a passably attractive girl offered me a hand-job, I'd want to take it. It's long been known that male and female brains are different and that there are hormonal and other physiological differences which influence their behavior. It's not stereotyping and nor is it social programming. More often than not a guy has to ask a girl out before she will have sex with him, even if she finds him attractive. Most guys would have sex with attractive girls without dating them if they could. That's the appeal of strip clubs.

AmyLynne
11-13-2010, 03:36 PM
the second rule of stripper heels: used as a weapon you can change a lot of customers bad attitudes in a second with either a kick to the groin and just planting your heel in their neck from the stage.