View Full Version : "Fat" Hooters Girl gets warning
WiseGuy_TX
05-22-2010, 11:53 AM
...do not want.
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Mindy Bares All
05-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Point vividly illustrated.
SoStellar
05-22-2010, 01:07 PM
...do not want.
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:eek:
Ewwww.... Thats gross and hilarious at the same time...lol
pixierocksonthepole
05-22-2010, 08:52 PM
^But maybe the other girls had the same option, and didn't go the press about it?
Hey maybe she was the straw that broke the camels back. Ya never know. But it is really dumb to make a waitress feel like they are fat, trust me there are other girls working in that particular restraunt that weigh more than she does and are shorter. It's creepy.
Devinxoxo
05-23-2010, 10:28 AM
Hey maybe she was the straw that broke the camels back. Ya never know. But it is really dumb to make a waitress feel like they are fat, trust me there are other girls working in that particular restraunt that weigh more than she does and are shorter. It's creepy.
i have never seen any super models at hooters which is why i cant believe this girl was told to lose weight. she does not look big. not even a little bit. at least not to me, she looks normal from what i can tell.
she is more attractive than most waitresses i have seen the very few times i have been to hooters but most of them are rail thin which is not my personal cup of tea. its stupid you can be skinny and completely screwed in the face and do all kinds of stuff.
Hooters was my ex gf's favorite place to go on a date (she had a thing for sports, breast, wings, beer, & me that made it her ideal/ mind you she was the ultra fem). Anyhow this all was till Hooters management complained to us about our affectionate causal kissing. Which her & I did that & more openly everywhere we went without ever a word being spoken to us. We live in Miami & it's rare any1 protest 2 girls kissing nowadays. Still I was completely shocked that Hooters of all places gave us such homophonic treatment cuz it really wasn't like I was doing her at the table or hardcore making out /her. I mean yes we normally go on a date & drink & get alittle flirty & affectionate with each other, but that's the point of a date isn't it what any other couple who would go to hooters feel free to do. Seriously we wrote corporate about the incident after we made a point to make out with each other right then & there on our way out as we closed our checked cuz we knew if we were str8 no1 would have said jack to us. In fact we looked around cuz it was hard to figure out who complained to them for them to have approached us with such offense to two hott girls kissing. Go figure it was a woman there with her husband & kids 9:30pm on a school night who probably was just hating cuz her husband staring at the waitstaff was bad enough, but heaven forbid the 2 lesbians on a date.
I laughed when we read the repley on how they are a family based chain ect..ect.. like seriously.
Anyhow we never went back to that location, but I tend to still enjoy going there & have been on other dates w/other girls there where we were not given any issues so ever which works for me when I'm dating some1 who wants to watch the game(which is not my thing), but I honestly do enjoy looking at the girls here which generally tend to be rather attractive (not as hott as my ex). Still if that wasn't the case I'ld find another place to enjoy over priced wings and beer.
I'm sure the hotness of Hooters girls changes from location to location, but here I have never seen an overweight Hooters girl work for them & I'm glad to say I doubt I ever will. If only I could say the same for dancers @ stripclubs here (I think only a few have & enforce a weight standard that I know of), but that's my personal preference and opinion that those hired on looks should be in shape as in reasonably fit & tone as excess rolls & giggling extra skin just isn't what is visibly appealing to me. Still that's cuz down south while Hooters standards are mostly chesty & lean girl strip clubs here tend to favor thick girls so here you will see a big girl on stage that simply believes if she buys big enough breast then it'll balance out her fat ass type of nonsense.
Harleigh HellKat
05-23-2010, 11:02 AM
Family chain my ass. That's retarded... I've never agreed with that.
And if I were you, I would have pitched a total fit and not paid for my food, because I refuse to give money to an establishment that would dare say something like that to me. I would probably retort with 'Well, those fat bitch's kids are offending ME. What are they doing at an adult establishment at 9:30 on a school night? Shame on their mom!!" Loudly. I'm just a wee bit confrontational though lol.
Also, I think being 'family based' is a poor excuse for discrimination.
Family chain my ass. That's retarded... I've never agreed with that.
And if I were you, I would have pitched a total fit and not paid for my food, because I refuse to give money to an establishment that would dare say something like that to me. I would probably retort with 'Well, those fat bitch's kids are offending ME. What are they doing at an adult establishment at 9:30 on a school night? Shame on their mom!!" Loudly. I'm just a wee bit confrontational though lol.
Also, I think being 'family based' is a poor excuse for discrimination.
Oh My gf & I were offended by that family based BS (like she & I don't have families of our own & come from gay alien ponds or something lol) which is why we didn't return to that location that lost our customer dollar which is every bit as green as anybody else's. Still I just don't see how I can be every bit as affectionate w/her holding hands & enjoying each others company carefree @ Disney, yet @ Hooters is where the management is gonna give us shit to have corporate back them with the family chain bs. I'm like hello if you bring yr children to Hooters on school nights maybe it's your family values you should be concern w/ & not the lesbians there on a date, but I didn't go to their table to tell them how to live. Maybe I should have/i do regret not stepping out on the bill though it wasn't the waitress fault & I couldn't short her tip, but making a point to leave & making out hardcore at the door was more fun in my book. My x & I always got that much more excited when we knew it was pissing some homophobe off. Anyhow I spent my money there so I could enjoy the company of my gf & the Hooters atmosphere for what it is & I suppose if they want to be unwelcoming to me & mine well that's money we can spend elsewhere like the location closer to me that has hotter girls there any ways.
I still enjoy Hooters, but if it wasn't for the girls who work their yeah I wouldn't ever go. I have lots of friends that work there & for what it is it's not bad money or pt job considering, but if any girl applies there they have to know off the bat they are not being hired to look like the girls that work over at denny's. Idk how anyone could wear that ugly orange shorts everyday unless they had a nice body cuz I'ld be too embarrassed to showup for work if I couldn't fit in them.
Optimist
05-24-2010, 08:12 AM
Anyhow as for the lesbian community--I'm totally against that whole fat positive bs connected to our community. Seriously liking women should not be used as an excuse not to keep in shape as obesity is unfortunately outrageous and even accepted to the point of celebrated among much of the women who love women circles, but i'm strongly against promoting such unhealthy standards as the image of beauty or accepted personal standards. I thank goodness to be one among the rare lesbians who care to workout & keep in shape--not to attract anybody or for a job, but for me cuz it should be important for everyone to care about staying healthy & somewhat in shape.
But that's a different can of worms as I'm sure this employee of Hooters is healthy & decent shape, just not Hooters shape in my OP.
^^^^^^^THIS all day! Yeah, it's off topic but thanks for saying it anyway.
lemiwinks31
05-24-2010, 10:07 AM
There have been several lawsuits(i think it has always been guys) who claim discrimination....and while Hooters may have settled with some of them for a small sum to avoid the hassle......to date, courts have not made any ruling that says Hooters hiring practices are discriminitory.
They have the right to hire attractive, fit waitresses. None of us knows how big this girl is, because they never showed her body(that probably tells you something right there). But I imagine that she was hired because she fit and attractive. And it seems clear that the management no longer thinks so. I am guessing she NOTICABLY gained weight.
As long as the managment has these standards for all the waitresses, and is not just singling this one out. I dont see anything wrong with it.
pixierocksonthepole
05-24-2010, 10:28 AM
There have been several lawsuits(i think it has always been guys) who claim discrimination....and while Hooters may have settled with some of them for a small sum to avoid the hassle......to date, courts have not made any ruling that says Hooters hiring practices are discriminitory.
They have the right to hire attractive, fit waitresses. None of us knows how big this girl is, because they never showed her body(that probably tells you something right there). But I imagine that she was hired because she fit and attractive. And it seems clear that the management no longer thinks so. I am guessing she NOTICABLY gained weight.
As long as the managment has these standards for all the waitresses, and is not just singling this one out. I dont see anything wrong with it.
I know how big she is...and she isn't big. I have seen her. She isn't a big girl.
Mr Hyde
05-24-2010, 11:32 AM
Why is this any different than a SC not allowing a girl to dance because they don't feel she's fit enough? This girl wasn't fired. They told her she needed to shape up. Why is this even news?
Amen.
This is not unlike a football team telling a player he has to get in shape, or a lawyer being told to bone up on some new laws or whatever. It's Hooters...people don't go there for the food, they go to be served by a hot girl in a skimpy outfit. They offered to pay for a gym membership, gave her plenty of time to work on her figure, and Hooters is in the wrong? Sorry, this is a non-issue.
lemiwinks31
05-25-2010, 12:22 PM
Amen.
This is not unlike a football team telling a player he has to get in shape, or a lawyer being told to bone up on some new laws or whatever. It's Hooters...people don't go there for the food, they go to be served by a hot girl in a skimpy outfit. They offered to pay for a gym membership, gave her plenty of time to work on her figure, and Hooters is in the wrong? Sorry, this is a non-issue.
amen to your amen
sbeezy305
05-25-2010, 01:07 PM
I worked at hooters when I was 17-18, I am 5'9" and at the time weighed 140-145 wore a size ten and I definitely didn't look bad in the little outfit, and no one ever really freaked out about it, we had all different types of girls there. the god damn pantyhose never fit me worth a shit tho lol..this is a pic of me 5'9" and about 150 (today) just to give you an idea. if that girl is fat then i am fat too. lol
JayATee
05-25-2010, 09:05 PM
Because it is discrimination. And trust I have been to that Hooters she works at...there are not many girls there that are in good shape.
If she was fired yeah it would be, but she wasn't.
pixierocksonthepole
05-25-2010, 09:26 PM
If she was fired yeah it would be, but she wasn't.
She was warned that if she didn't loose the weight she would be...leads up to the same thing.
I worked at hooters when I was 17-18, I am 5'9" and at the time weighed 140-145 wore a size ten and I definitely didn't look bad in the little outfit, and no one ever really freaked out about it, we had all different types of girls there. the god damn pantyhose never fit me worth a shit tho lol..this is a pic of me 5'9" and about 150 (today) just to give you an idea. if that girl is fat then i am fat too. lol
But you look good and that girl didn't.
JayATee
05-25-2010, 09:27 PM
She was warned that if she didn't loose the weight she would be...leads up to the same thing.
Welcome to the private industry.
She was warned that if she didn't loose the weight she would be...leads up to the same thing.
It's not discrimination not to hire ugly strippers is it? or models. Even if that particular Hooters sucks that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to get better.
jasmine22
05-25-2010, 09:46 PM
well.....although it is a job based on appearance, I would feel offended, and maybe even laugh if a 300 lb slob told me to lose weight! Also...Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders? I think theres a huge difference between waiting tables at Hooters and being a Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader. I can understand both sides of the issue.
callilove
05-25-2010, 09:51 PM
this is ridiculous. she works in an industry based on looks, if she's slacking in that area, it's going to be a problem. i had a manager threaten to fire me if i didn't lose weight, and i certainly didn't get offered a free gym membership. when you make money based on your looks, you have to look good.
Autumn Lily
05-25-2010, 10:00 PM
I agree with Jasmine. Sure sex sells and it's a chain that is known for its attractive women. But I think that standard should be upheld for ALL of its staff, especially that walking planet of a manager.
Also, comparing to Rockettes or Cheerleaders? I'm sorry, but they're not nearly as active, and the company isn't paying them nearly enough to say that they hold their girls to that sort of standard.
pixierocksonthepole
05-25-2010, 10:01 PM
It's not discrimination not to hire ugly strippers is it? or models. Even if that particular Hooters sucks that doesn't mean they shouldn't try to get better.
The point is that Hooters is a mainstream commercialized business. So there for when things like this hit the media it causes a commotion because we are constantly sending these images to younger people that looks are so important even if you are a waitress now. Stripper is totally different. But this is a place to get food, no nudity at all so it shouldn't be something they discriminate against. People constantly complain that the media is sending the wrong message...well now so are small places like Hooters that many college girls would like to work at while in school. What does that say about our society?
pixierocksonthepole
05-25-2010, 10:03 PM
this is ridiculous. she works in an industry based on looks, if she's slacking in that area, it's going to be a problem. i had a manager threaten to fire me if i didn't lose weight, and i certainly didn't get offered a free gym membership. when you make money based on your looks, you have to look good.
They also get hourly wage and I would like to point out that many men do like curvy women, not always twigs...So it shouldn't be such an issue. The girl isn't big, at all.
OnHerCam
05-25-2010, 10:37 PM
Did you guys see that episode (http://www.fancast.com/tv/Undercover-Boss/104637/1413894513/Undercover-Boss---Hooters/videos) of "Undercover Boss" where they featured the Hooters company?
One of the managers on there was an uber pig! Reminded me of this.
Zinaida
05-26-2010, 12:29 AM
People don't go to Hooters 'just to get food,' they go there for the whole 'hot chick' imagery.
pixierocksonthepole
05-26-2010, 08:35 AM
^^While I totally agree that is why people go there the place also calls themselves a "family"restraunt. And for familys that really do come in there with their kids including girls...it does send a message to them that there is a certain way girls are supposed to look. I can see why that girl would say something, I just don't see why CNN of all places got the story. That part I agree is strange. She could have just stayed with Fox News here or the Detroit Free Press here. o.0
They also get hourly wage and I would like to point out that many men do like curvy women, not always twigs...So it shouldn't be such an issue. The girl isn't big, at all.
Well those men can buy a chain & call it Xtra Rolls Bakery to hire all the curvy women they want, but the point of Hooters is still big breast on tight sporty bods that fit their uniforms & serve beer/wings.
Hooters is under no obligation to represent the taste of all or serve as a message to all women that they will be desired no matter how much they weight. No Hooters is a business that makes it's money off an image of the women that work there that is what it is just as any company does when hiring staff that fits it's image & needs.
Have you watched Rehab @ the HardRock they fire girls in wayyy better shape then that on the dime cuz they can & the point is if you were hired to be hott in an image that represents them well you better maintain it --which I agree if you were hired for your looks well you don't have a right to bitch about the standard that got you your job in the 1st place. It's no different then any1 else getting fired cuz they can't do their job as expected anymore. No1 cries discrimination when they don't hire or fire a comedian who isn't funny to them or a lawyer who is mentally slow in their opinion. Why do you feel Hooters doesn't have a right to employ women who fit their uniform in ways they feel best represents them. I supposed you feel you get a say becuz you own stock or are 1 of their best customers willing to throw down more money to hire or keep employed these curvy women cuz that is what you came to Hooters of all places to see. My bet is Hooters wants to maintain it's image & that is what their customers paid to see so who they hire & fire based on that image is really a matter as simple as giving their customer what they paid for instead of false advertisement.
I really don't see cubby chasers even going to Hooters unless it's to see the women that are there eating their wings not those serving them. My bet is their customers who go there to eat want to see the kind of wait staff that has that sporty bod hottness that goes on where their shirts are really tight on their boobs & their ass, but everything fits their uniform real sexy with nothing else hanging out of it. I know that is what I expect when I go to Hooters & if I didn't see that it would just be an overpriced sports bar I wouldn't go too.
lemiwinks31
05-26-2010, 10:32 AM
People don't go to Hooters 'just to get food,' they go there for the whole 'hot chick' imagery.
If people went there 'just for the food'......the original one wouldnt have made it...much less the hundreds they have now.....the food is average at best.
it is successful pretty much ONLY because of the wait staff and how they look, the 'image'. (it is a good place to watch games, but there are tons of places like that...most with better food)
pixierocksonthepole
05-26-2010, 11:46 AM
Well those men can buy a chain & call it Xtra Rolls Bakery to hire all the curvy women they want, but the point of Hooters is still big breast on tight sporty bods that fit their uniforms & serve beer/wings.
Hooters is under no obligation to represent the taste of all or serve as a message to all women that they will be desired no matter how much they weight. No Hooters is a business that makes it's money off an image of the women that work there that is what it is just as any company does when hiring staff that fits it's image & needs.
Have you watched Rehab @ the HardRock they fire girls in wayyy better shape then that on the dime cuz they can & the point is if you were hired to be hott in an image that represents them well you better maintain it --which I agree if you were hired for your looks well you don't have a right to bitch about the standard that got you your job in the 1st place. It's no different then any1 else getting fired cuz they can't do their job as expected anymore. No1 cries discrimination when they don't hire or fire a comedian who isn't funny to them or a lawyer who is mentally slow in their opinion. Why do you feel Hooters doesn't have a right to employ women who fit their uniform in ways they feel best represents them. I supposed you feel you get a say becuz you own stock or are 1 of their best customers willing to throw down more money to hire or keep employed these curvy women cuz that is what you came to Hooters of all places to see. My bet is Hooters wants to maintain it's image & that is what their customers paid to see so who they hire & fire based on that image is really a matter as simple as giving their customer what they paid for instead of false advertisement.
I really don't see cubby chasers even going to Hooters unless it's to see the women that are there eating their wings not those serving them. My bet is their customers who go there to eat want to see the kind of wait staff that has that sporty bod hottness that goes on where their shirts are really tight on their boobs & their ass, but everything fits their uniform real sexy with nothing else hanging out of it. I know that is what I expect when I go to Hooters & if I didn't see that it would just be an overpriced sports bar I wouldn't go too.
I think you took what I said out of context. Curvy does not mean chubby or fat. And this girl is neither chubby nor fat. So that was unnecessary. Secondly I hate hooters myself. And while they let it be known it is all about the girls tits in the shirts the reality is that when they interview you if you don't look right in the shorts...then you won't have a job. They have many girls working there that at B-cups like me. They don't have to have huge tits. And this girl is no where near fat. Which is what I have been trying to say the whole time. Or was that overlooked by you before you said this? o.0 If my job called me fat and I clearly wasn't...you better bet I would be fucking pissed off, as would pretty much anyone else.
It's a delicate balance because it is a "family" place. family doesn't mean everyone looks perfect. So they have to find that safe line and clearly here they crossed it.
Wolverine
05-26-2010, 12:21 PM
(it is a good place to watch games, but there are tons of places like that...most with better food)
And plenty of other restaurants like it that have better outfits and better gals. My town alone has about 4 different types of "breastaurants". I kinda joke that the Hooters near my home tends to hire girls 22 and up while their competition across the street hires girls straight out of high school...hell, it wouldn't surprise me if that place has newbie waitresses working this weekend that just had their senior prom. And they're wearing way less than anything a Hooters waitress would wear.
I think you took what I said out of context. Curvy does not mean chubby or fat. And this girl is neither chubby nor fat. So that was unnecessary. Secondly I hate hooters myself. And while they let it be known it is all about the girls tits in the shirts the reality is that when they interview you if you don't look right in the shorts...then you won't have a job. They have many girls working there that at B-cups like me. They don't have to have huge tits. And this girl is no where near fat. Which is what I have been trying to say the whole time. Or was that overlooked by you before you said this? o.0 If my job called me fat and I clearly wasn't...you better bet I would be fucking pissed off, as would pretty much anyone else.
It's a delicate balance because it is a "family" place. family doesn't mean everyone looks perfect. So they have to find that safe line and clearly here they crossed it.
Nowhere near fat--did you see the same video/girl ? I didn't call her fat , but I didn't see a fit Hooters girls in that video that was simply getting picked on for nothing. I'm sure she didn't weight the same as when she was hired fat or not that's the same as fitting their uniform clearly. B cup is big on some girls who are thin so I suppose that works just fine with the image if that's what they are hiring, but I wouldn't of applied at Hooters if I was an aa cup those I'm sure a few who are.. Here I haven't seen a flat, fat, cubby or even slightly over weight Hooters girl. I'm sure the whole chain has a few who don't represent the image in every aspect, but I think there is nothing wrong with them having their standard. I dont even care if they are family place or claim to be (whatever that makes in terms of giving paying customers pda warnings well there on a date), but what does that have to do with this girl they wrote up for no longer fitting their uniform as required by their standards.
Maybe you would be upset by your job calling you fat if you weren't, but I don't think anyone was name calling by stating she didn't properly fit her uniform. I think that's simply stating fact.
Now my opinion of curvy/fat /thick/cubby/fit/twiggy & yours probably differ, but that's personal opinion we each have a right too disagree-just as Hooters has a right to their own standard of what fits their image & who to employ to represent it.
The way I see if you were manager she wouldn't have to worry unless she got fat. They simply decided to have a talk to her to make positive changes so that wouldn't happen offering her a gym membership to maintain herself so she could properly fit the uniform they expect her to fit into when representing their company. Now me if I was manager I would have found some other reason to let her go & not given her a break or offered her help cuz I know plenty of other girls who just keep up keep in shape that wouldn't let go of themselves any if hired.
I've dealt w/discrimination most my life (fired 4 being gay, not hired 4 being female, held back simply because of how young I look verses my skills), but I don't feel there is anything biased that is unfair about maintaining a look a person was hired to represent. Sorry w/Hooters it simply is what it is. How does any1 expect to work there if they don't fit the uniform. Is not hitting the gym to maintain a figure you were hired for really discrimination in your book. It's not in mine cuz she can very well & should do so as a Hooters girl.
Victoria669Jones
05-26-2010, 01:47 PM
Hooters is kind of pathetic, imo. I wouldn't be caught dead there. I mean, either go to a restaurant, or go to a strip club. Ogling titties while you eat your burger isn't cool. Talk about classless.
Harleigh HellKat
05-26-2010, 01:53 PM
lol Off topic, have you guys ever been to a Cafe Risque? It's like Waffle House with full nude dancers. o_O
pixierocksonthepole
05-26-2010, 02:10 PM
Nowhere near fat--did you see the same video/girl ? I didn't call her fat , but I didn't see a fit Hooters girls in that video that was simply getting picked on for nothing. I'm sure she didn't weight the same as when she was hired fat or not that's the same as fitting their uniform clearly. B cup is big on some girls who are thin so I suppose that works just fine with the image if that's what they are hiring, but I wouldn't of applied at Hooters if I was an aa cup those I'm sure a few who are.. Here I haven't seen a flat, fat, cubby or even slightly over weight Hooters girl. I'm sure the whole chain has a few who don't represent the image in every aspect, but I think there is nothing wrong with them having their standard. I dont even care if they are family place or claim to be (whatever that makes in terms of giving paying customers pda warnings well there on a date), but what does that have to do with this girl they wrote up for no longer fitting their uniform as required by their standards.
Maybe you would be upset by your job calling you fat if you weren't, but I don't think anyone was name calling by stating she didn't properly fit her uniform. I think that's simply stating fact.
Now my opinion of curvy/fat /thick/cubby/fit/twiggy & yours probably differ, but that's personal opinion we each have a right too disagree-just as Hooters has a right to their own standard of what fits their image & who to employ to represent it.
The way I see if you were manager she wouldn't have to worry unless she got fat. They simply decided to have a talk to her to make positive changes so that wouldn't happen offering her a gym membership to maintain herself so she could properly fit the uniform they expect her to fit into when representing their company. Now me if I was manager I would have found some other reason to let her go & not given her a break or offered her help cuz I know plenty of other girls who just keep up keep in shape that wouldn't let go of themselves any if hired.
I've dealt w/discrimination most my life (fired 4 being gay, not hired 4 being female, held back simply because of how young I look verses my skills), but I don't feel there is anything biased that is unfair about maintaining a look a person was hired to represent. Sorry w/Hooters it simply is what it is. How does any1 expect to work there if they don't fit the uniform. Is not hitting the gym to maintain a figure you were hired for really discrimination in your book. It's not in mine cuz she can very well & should do so as a Hooters girl.
I live in the area and have been to the restraunt where the girl works while she was working. Yes I have seen her, recently. She isn't fat. And as for you taking it out of context I meant the whole bit where you called another place men could open for Curvy girls and calling it "Xtra Rolls Bakery". Curvy and fat are not the same thing. In fact there was a thread on here I recall about just this topic. So check that out.
I live in the area and have been to the restraunt where the girl works while she was working. Yes I have seen her, recently. She isn't fat. And as for you taking it out of context I meant the whole bit where you called another place men could open for Curvy girls and calling it "Xtra Rolls Bakery". Curvy and fat are not the same thing. In fact there was a thread on here I recall about just this topic. So check that out.
I assume if she lose the weight required to keep her job she would not be fat or eveb big by any means. I didn't say she was or that Hooters did deemed her fat. All that was reported was she didn't fit the uniform & was given a warning about it. I agreed from what I saw in the video taken of her then.
As for my joke about opening an xtra rolls bakery for men who preferred curvy women what about it bugs you. Yes some1 can be curvy & thin, curvy doesn't mean fat..ect..ect , but in some cases it is a nice way of saying some1 has extra weight on them. Which is how I usually see it. Now I could read all day about anti fat discrimination or on the subject of weight. What does that have to do with my op on the subject that a hooters girl should fit her uniform.
Are you hoping to change my eye candy preferences cuz like most men you would be fighting a losing battle taking that on. What I want to know is what are you hoping Hooters to do concerning their hiring /employing policies when their employees don't fit their uniforms. Should they make larger uniforms & if so to what size do you feel will represent the image their customers will buy calendars & over priced wings to see women wearing.
Mr Hyde
05-26-2010, 03:33 PM
The point is that Hooters is a mainstream commercialized business. So there for when things like this hit the media it causes a commotion because we are constantly sending these images to younger people that looks are so important even if you are a waitress now. Stripper is totally different. But this is a place to get food, no nudity at all so it shouldn't be something they discriminate against. People constantly complain that the media is sending the wrong message...well now so are small places like Hooters that many college girls would like to work at while in school. What does that say about our society?
Pixie, put yourself in the shoes of an owner of Hooters. Someone has invested an ASSLOAD of money in to opening this business up, and that person has a lot at stake. If the business does well, they'll make money. If it fails, they lose all of their investment...likely in the hundreds of thousands...and probably end up in bankruptcy court. Also, if the business fails, a few dozen people will be put out of work....waitresses, bartenders, managers, cooks...that's a lot of responsibility for a Hooters franchisee.
Hooters sells sex. It does. One can get crappy chicken wings at a dozen other places in town. You go to Hooters because there are hot chicks in tight tops and short shorts serving them to you. Everyone knows this. Their name is a reference to breasts. Their slogan is "More than a handful" or something like that. They sponsor bikini contests. They publish a bikini calendar.
There can be no denying that they sell sex.
So if you're that guy who has invested upwards of half a million dollars, do you want to just hire anyone that comes in to serve your crappy chicken wings, or do you want the best looking girls you can find?
Remember....you have invested half a million dollars in this business.
Sound more reasonable now that they asked her to lose a few pounds, and even paid for a gym membership for her?
If not, what if she gained 100 pounds? Is she still ok to serve at Hooters?
pixierocksonthepole
05-26-2010, 06:07 PM
Pixie, put yourself in the shoes of an owner of Hooters. Someone has invested an ASSLOAD of money in to opening this business up, and that person has a lot at stake. If the business does well, they'll make money. If it fails, they lose all of their investment...likely in the hundreds of thousands...and probably end up in bankruptcy court. Also, if the business fails, a few dozen people will be put out of work....waitresses, bartenders, managers, cooks...that's a lot of responsibility for a Hooters franchisee.
Hooters sells sex. It does. One can get crappy chicken wings at a dozen other places in town. You go to Hooters because there are hot chicks in tight tops and short shorts serving them to you. Everyone knows this. Their name is a reference to breasts. Their slogan is "More than a handful" or something like that. They sponsor bikini contests. They publish a bikini calendar.
There can be no denying that they sell sex.
So if you're that guy who has invested upwards of half a million dollars, do you want to just hire anyone that comes in to serve your crappy chicken wings, or do you want the best looking girls you can find?
Remember....you have invested half a million dollars in this business.
Sound more reasonable now that they asked her to lose a few pounds, and even paid for a gym membership for her?
If not, what if she gained 100 pounds? Is she still ok to serve at Hooters?
I am looking at it from all sides. Thanks. But the way I see it is it is a fucking resturant people eat very FATTENING food there. And drink lots of alcohol. Which too is fattening. There is no way in hell if I looked like that fatass manager that I would ever tell an employee of mine they need to take this free gym membership so I can be what they want me to be. They are waitress'es, not models, not porn models, not strippers, not actresses in Hollywood...they are fucking waitresses. It is just stupid. Plain and simple. The girl isn't fat. Also I know some of them are models in fact one of them is a friend of mine doesn't change that they should just accept that not all girls will look exactly the same. I just find it rude. Why is that such a big fucking deal?? o.0 I don't have to agree with what they say about her weight and I don't.
And no one has to agree with me but seriously...please never again assume that I am not looking from all sides. I always make it a point to do such because I like a full understanding when I discuss things. Thank you.
Also know that when I am saying this I am not being bitchy. Just honest and in a bit of a rush since I really wanna get some sleeps. ;D
rubyredlipsss
05-26-2010, 09:03 PM
actually, pixie, your argument has kind of changed my opinion and i agree with you. i couldn't see how she could be possibly 130 at 5'9 but at the same time the more i read your argument the more i look at as, 'does it really matter?' she's obviously not fat. i started thinking about all the chains hooters has and where they are...for example is a hooters in la going to have the same caliber as a hooters in smaller cities in the midwest? i highly doubt it. besides the fact that hooters has a certain image, with calendars and competitions doesn't mean these are the girls serving your food in the restaurants or the type of girls that are actually applying.
Mr Hyde
05-26-2010, 09:29 PM
with all due respect Pixie, I don't think you are looking at it from all sides. If this was YOUR business, you'd want to do everything possible for it to succeed. The owner has laid out the money and is taking all the risk. If it doesn't work out for the owner, there is a LOT of money to be lost. If it doesn't work out for the waitress, she goes and finds another job.
I'm not saying whether she's fat or not. From the video, it's hard to tell.
But the owner told her to lose weight, tried to help her do it, and she didn't. If he just didn't want her, he could have just fired her on the spot. It wasn't like he was telling her to get a boob job or anything. Losing weight and looking in-shape is part of being a hooters waitress.
Your POV says that an employer can't ask their employees to adhere to the standards they require of their employees. If I own an accounting firm, and one of my accountants refuses to learn the latest tax law, I shouldn't threaten their job...by your reasoning.
pixierocksonthepole
05-26-2010, 09:42 PM
with all due respect Pixie, I don't think you are looking at it from all sides. If this was YOUR business, you'd want to do everything possible for it to succeed. The owner has laid out the money and is taking all the risk. If it doesn't work out for the owner, there is a LOT of money to be lost. If it doesn't work out for the waitress, she goes and finds another job.
I'm not saying whether she's fat or not. From the video, it's hard to tell.
But the owner told her to lose weight, tried to help her do it, and she didn't. If he just didn't want her, he could have just fired her on the spot. It wasn't like he was telling her to get a boob job or anything. Losing weight and looking in-shape is part of being a hooters waitress.
Your POV says that an employer can't ask their employees to adhere to the standards they require of their employees. If I own an accounting firm, and one of my accountants refuses to learn the latest tax law, I shouldn't threaten their job...by your reasoning.
Waitressing is not anything like accounting and you know that. Making that comparison makes no sense. One has to go to school in order to get a job in accounting. Rarely does anyone these days take on anyone with no experience in that. And if they did that is their problem. And I am looking at it from all sides...I just happen to not be a jackass about it because its waitressing.
At least someone finally understood what I was trying to say though. Thank you Ruby.
rubyredlipsss
05-26-2010, 09:56 PM
no offense mr. hyde but seriously you act as though this one girl is going to be the downfall of the entire hooters chain or that people are going to go in and see this girl and go OMG LOOK AT THAT FATASS I'M NEVER COMING HERE AGAIN. and thousands upon thousands of dollars are going to be lost because of this one girl. hooters can claim whatever image they want, just like any other restaurant but realistically, like pixie said, they're waitresses and they can only live up to a certain image so much. it's not like she's the cover-girl for hooters who gained 50 pounds and is all over the press. it's one waitress. i would put money on it that there are just as many other hooters waitresses with similar body types still working.
Mr Hyde
05-26-2010, 11:38 PM
Waitressing is not anything like accounting and you know that. Making that comparison makes no sense. One has to go to school in order to get a job in accounting. Rarely does anyone these days take on anyone with no experience in that. And if they did that is their problem. And I am looking at it from all sides...I just happen to not be a jackass about it because its waitressing.
At least someone finally understood what I was trying to say though. Thank you Ruby.
My analogy is spot on, but I'll give you another one.
Let's say I own a gym, and my gym has personal trainers. I make a lot of money by selling the services of the personal trainers. One of my trainers is a man who starts to get a little less than what I'd like him to look like...I have found that people tend to use personal trainers that look really fit, and while he's not obese, he's not cut anymore and could lose a few pounds. I ask this guy to drop a little weight and get back in shape, give him plenty of time to do it, and offer to pay for weight-loss service to help him. He refuses.
I'm supposed to keep this guy around?
Mr Hyde
05-26-2010, 11:44 PM
no offense mr. hyde but seriously you act as though this one girl is going to be the downfall of the entire hooters chain or that people are going to go in and see this girl and go OMG LOOK AT THAT FATASS I'M NEVER COMING HERE AGAIN. and thousands upon thousands of dollars are going to be lost because of this one girl. hooters can claim whatever image they want, just like any other restaurant but realistically, like pixie said, they're waitresses and they can only live up to a certain image so much. it's not like she's the cover-girl for hooters who gained 50 pounds and is all over the press. it's one waitress. i would put money on it that there are just as many other hooters waitresses with similar body types still working.
Again...if this was YOUR business, would you let anyone wait tables?
Some of you guys just don't have any idea what it's like to run a business. It's not easy. If he lets this waitress gain a few pounds, what right does he have to tell ANYONE to lose weight? And if ONE waitress is allowed to get fat, then Hooters loses the right to tell any of their waitresses lose weight.
But I am know I am staring to look like an asshole so I'll stop arguing...I just don't think either of you are looking at it from all sides...you just want to be PC about it and not think about what this business is about. I appreciate that...I don't think women should be judged solely by their looks.
But when you take a job in which 90% of your how you perform is based around your looks, you pretty much lose any ground when your looks are called in to question.
She could wait tables at a place that doesn't require that she keep a very thin figure.
Avery90
05-27-2010, 01:09 AM
If they hired her in the begining being the size she is now they dont have grounds to fire her. If she gained alot of weight since she was hired then thats another story but there could still be arguments made against them firing her. But if shes FAT then Im an OBESE COW.:O
pixierocksonthepole
05-27-2010, 04:09 AM
My analogy is spot on, but I'll give you another one.
Let's say I own a gym, and my gym has personal trainers. I make a lot of money by selling the services of the personal trainers. One of my trainers is a man who starts to get a little less than what I'd like him to look like...I have found that people tend to use personal trainers that look really fit, and while he's not obese, he's not cut anymore and could lose a few pounds. I ask this guy to drop a little weight and get back in shape, give him plenty of time to do it, and offer to pay for weight-loss service to help him. He refuses.
I'm supposed to keep this guy around?
Once again you picked something where the person working for you in your gym would have to have training themselves. Personal trainers don't just sprout up out of the ground. That have to take nutritional classes, get certified...all kinds of school work training. While waitesses...do not. o.0 If you have someone that was trained like that for a job and has the required certification and he lets go then yes you have to say something to him in your gym because its a GYM not a RESTAURANT where they serve really FATTENING food.
Major difference.
Mr Hyde
05-27-2010, 08:27 AM
You are entirely missing the point
An accountant relies on his brain to make money. He has to keep his brain up to stay employed.
A Hooters waitress relies on her looks to make money. She has to keep her body up to stay employed.
That is about as exact an analogy as is possible.
I wouldn't hire or keep an a accountant who doesn't stay up on the latest tax laws.
I wouldn't hire keep a Hooters waitress who doesn't keep up her figure.
If her looks aren't important, why don't they just hire the best WAITRESS? Why don't they just hire the PERSON (not GIRL) who can deliver food the fastest?
And what if she gained 100 pounds? Do they still have to keep her? If you say no, your entire argument is automatically out the window.
AnjilsBaby
05-27-2010, 08:42 AM
just in my opinion, if she doesnt fit the uniform, she shouldnt work there. same as with playboy blackjack dealers. if they dont fit the bunny costume guess what? they dont get to work there
I am looking at it from all sides. Thanks. But the way I see it is it is a fucking resturant people eat very FATTENING food there. And drink lots of alcohol. Which too is fattening. There is no way in hell if I looked like that fatass manager that I would ever tell an employee of mine they need to take this free gym membership so I can be what they want me to be. They are waitress'es, not models, not porn models, not strippers, not actresses in Hollywood...they are fucking waitresses. It is just stupid. Plain and simple. The girl isn't fat. Also I know some of them are models in fact one of them is a friend of mine doesn't change that they should just accept that not all girls will look exactly the same. I just find it rude. Why is that such a big fucking deal?? o.0 I don't have to agree with what they say about her weight and I don't.
And no one has to agree with me but seriously...please never again assume that I am not looking from all sides. I always make it a point to do such because I like a full understanding when I discuss things. Thank you.
Also know that when I am saying this I am not being bitchy. Just honest and in a bit of a rush since I really wanna get some sleeps. ;D
The fat ass manager doesn't get paid to look hot, he gets paid to manage. I'm sorry but that makes absolutely no sense, are the managers at the strip club hotter than you? They are not just waitresses, people go to Hooters to see hot girls. The food they serve there has what to do with it? the waitresses aren't the ones eating it.
lemiwinks31
05-27-2010, 09:28 AM
I live in the area and have been to the restraunt where the girl works while she was working. Yes I have seen her, recently. She isn't fat. And as for you taking it out of context I meant the whole bit where you called another place men could open for Curvy girls and calling it "Xtra Rolls Bakery". Curvy and fat are not the same thing. In fact there was a thread on here I recall about just this topic. So check that out.
But not really the point......OK.....say someone wanted to cater to men who like fat ladies.....and so they hired only fat ladies. then one of them went on a diet and lost 150 pounds.......and she now weighed 180. And they let her go for being too skinny. Is she skinny? no. Just no longer acceptable IN THE OPINION OF MANAGMENT.
same situation..