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deedee at the beach
07-13-2010, 07:38 PM
So I don't get it with you guys??? Is it the chase that excites you??? Cuz realistically what are you expecting from these chicks???
They provide a fantasy, do you think you're gonna end up hookin up and marrying them???

Chili Palmer
07-13-2010, 07:49 PM
2. This club is uber local and I might want to do some more fishing in it. There are two that have been waiting in the wings for me to disengage from this one, and one of them looks very interesting. However, when my self disgust hits the necessary level I need to find a way to disengage without poisoning the whole water supply. I will readily admit that, as a traveling hound, I am poorly trained in the art of disengagement while keeping things good at a particular club. This is a small club too, which makes it worse.

Don't outthink the room. Of all the topics dancers may discuss in the dressing room beyond our prying ears, "Who gives the best OTC service, me you or her?" is not real high on the list (or so I would and have wagered).

A couple years ago, at one of my main clubs here in PHX, I had a nice OTC encounter with a dancer. Definitely one and done material, but she did not think so, and she got a little hissy with me in the club. After that she wouldn't even speak to me, and made it a point to ignore me, even walking up to everyone around me and asking for dances, but not me. Another dancer saw this, asked me why, I explained that I did not want to spend the amount of money on her she wanted me to, and that dancer laughed and said, "How much do you want to spend on me instead?"

It's all about the Benjamins, and if those other girls are less inclined towards games playing and more inclined to action, then don't worry about what's left behind Curtain #1 or anything she might say.

CP

Casual Observer
07-13-2010, 08:10 PM
Am I allowed back in here? ;)


In fact, by the time I hit home soil all electronic evidence (texts being the
most common) is well erased from my company phone and all paper/napkin/other written forms of phone numbers are generally left behind in the hotel garbage can. When I walk through the front door to my house there is not a shred of electronic or physical evidence linking me to the scenes of my various crimes

Of course. I would imagine this is SOP for most of us. Can't be too careful.


Going to a sc with dancer is one of the funniest experience I have ever had otc. It's a completely different dynamic. Mucho fun.

One of my first-ever multiple-girl adventures happened this way, most unexpectedly at the time. Different dynamic, indeed.


It could be an age factor for me but i prefer the security of a dancer I have vetted after months of club visits.

Comfort and familiarity factors aside, one cannot understate the importance of minimizing drama when one has, shall we say, multiple irons in the fire? Even if your interests are relatively focused, drama is just exhausting and no recreational chick is worth that expenditure of energy when others are available without said hassle.

lopaw
07-13-2010, 09:07 PM
So I don't get it with you guys??? Is it the chase that excites you??? Cuz realistically what are you expecting from these chicks???
They provide a fantasy, do you think you're gonna end up hookin up and marrying them???


Chasing them? Yes.
Hooking up with them? Oh HELL yes.
Marrying them? Oh HELL no!

I think that sums it up for us nicely. ;)

Chili Palmer
07-13-2010, 09:20 PM
So I don't get it with you guys??? Is it the chase that excites you??? Cuz realistically what are you expecting from these chicks???
They provide a fantasy, do you think you're gonna end up hookin up and marrying them???

No, no, no. Dancers unequivocably do not provide a fantasy, they provide a service. They may be dressed in fantasy costumes or behave in a fantasy manner, but their lapdances are all too real, as is the extra-curricular activity.

Hook up? That's the whole idea. Marry em? (Insert Allen Iverson "We talkin' 'bout practice" soundbite here.)

CP

rickdugan
07-14-2010, 06:31 AM
So I don't get it with you guys??? Is it the chase that excites you??? Cuz realistically what are you expecting from these chicks???
They provide a fantasy, do you think you're gonna end up hookin up and marrying them???

What Lopaw and CP said above hits it on the mark :D

That was almost sweetly endearing in its naivity, which leads me to believe that you are somewhat new to this. As you get more time under your belt the answer to this and potentially lots of other questions will become more obvious to you. Good luck!

JoeUnCool
07-14-2010, 06:56 AM
So I don't get it with you guys??? Is it the chase that excites you??? Cuz realistically what are you expecting from these chicks???
They provide a fantasy, do you think you're gonna end up hookin up and marrying them???

Why ask why?

JoeUnCool
07-14-2010, 06:59 AM
Am I allowed back in here? ;)

Umm, I guess I missed something.


Comfort and familiarity factors aside, one cannot understate the importance of minimizing drama when one has, shall we say, multiple irons in the fire? Even if your interests are relatively focused, drama is just exhausting and no recreational chick is worth that expenditure of energy when others are available without said hassle.

I have never met a woman that wasn't jealous over another woman. Girlfriend, Wife, Dancer, they all do it. When dancers get jealous, its really time to move on.

rickdugan
07-14-2010, 01:27 PM
As a potentially entertaining update to my absurd PL saga, I (of course) went back to the club last night to see the girl (let's call her "Sexy Italian") that blew me off. :-[

When she rushed over to sit with me, she started a rambling apology that I cut short with a smiling "no big deal" followed by a grinning wink. However, when she became occupied elsewhere I had another girl (let's call her "Young Lithe Hottie") sit with me for awhile.

Then, while I was sitting with Young Lithe Hottie, a friend of Sexy Italian, who was doing her after dance barside tip walk, actually started to push and jostle Young Lithe Hottie. She was smiling and trying to pass it off as playful, but each time she pushed her shoulder or arm she would say some variation of "that's Sexy Italian's man" or "Sexy Italian sits with him." She got fairly aggressive about it.

WTF? I proceeded to make damned sure that the friend and Young Lithe Hottie understood that nobody owned me, but the fact that this happened in the first place was absurd.

This also makes me believe that disengagement is going to be a little harder than I hoped.

How many sad PL moments can I possibly pack into this little "fav" experiment? :O

yoda57us
07-14-2010, 04:49 PM
How many sad PL moments can I possibly pack into this little "fav" experiment? :O

It will get worse before it gets better....

Honestly Rick I know it's not your cup of tea but this sort of BS is why I started calling escorts!

At least your eyes are open...good luck!

JoeUnCool
07-14-2010, 05:59 PM
As a potentially entertaining update to my absurd PL saga, I (of course) went back to the club last night to see the girl (let's call her "Sexy Italian") that blew me off. :-[

When she rushed over to sit with me, she started a rambling apology that I cut short with a smiling "no big deal" followed by a grinning wink. However, when she became occupied elsewhere I had another girl (let's call her "Young Lithe Hottie") sit with me for awhile.

Then, while I was sitting with Young Lithe Hottie, a friend of Sexy Italian, who was doing her after dance barside tip walk, actually started to push and jostle Young Lithe Hottie. She was smiling and trying to pass it off as playful, but each time she pushed her shoulder or arm she would say some variation of "that's Sexy Italian's man" or "Sexy Italian sits with him." She got fairly aggressive about it.

WTF? I proceeded to make damned sure that the friend and Young Lithe Hottie understood that nobody owned me, but the fact that this happened in the first place was absurd.

This also makes me believe that disengagement is going to be a little harder than I hoped.

How many sad PL moments can I possibly pack into this little "fav" experiment? :O

I get that this is a game. I know it. Unfortunately, you are playing the "Please walk all over me" nice guy. I've been there done it. I realize that its most likely a game for you right now, but rules can change at any moment and you won't necessarily know it.

I'd suggest a different club for a while.

lopaw
07-14-2010, 08:23 PM
As a potentially entertaining update to my absurd PL saga, I (of course) went back to the club last night to see the girl (let's call her "Sexy Italian") that blew me off. :-[

When she rushed over to sit with me, she started a rambling apology that I cut short with a smiling "no big deal" followed by a grinning wink. However, when she became occupied elsewhere I had another girl (let's call her "Young Lithe Hottie") sit with me for awhile.

Then, while I was sitting with Young Lithe Hottie, a friend of Sexy Italian, who was doing her after dance barside tip walk, actually started to push and jostle Young Lithe Hottie. She was smiling and trying to pass it off as playful, but each time she pushed her shoulder or arm she would say some variation of "that's Sexy Italian's man" or "Sexy Italian sits with him." She got fairly aggressive about it.

WTF? I proceeded to make damned sure that the friend and Young Lithe Hottie understood that nobody owned me, but the fact that this happened in the first place was absurd.

This also makes me believe that disengagement is going to be a little harder than I hoped.

How many sad PL moments can I possibly pack into this little "fav" experiment? :O


rick,

It seems that your guest cameo appearances on the "As the Stripclub Turns" soap is escalating to a re-curing starring role! I have guest starred on that soap myself more times than I'd care to admit. The level of some dancer's jealousy & possessiveness can get downright scary. And when it's the dancer's coworker or friend that "has her back" and starts harassing you as well, it might be time to look for new (if temporary) feeding grounds for awhile.

rockie
07-15-2010, 01:13 AM
CO: Welcome Back! Rick: Manage the process - Don't let the process manage you!

rickdugan
07-15-2010, 05:35 AM
rick,

It seems that your guest cameo appearances on the "As the Stripclub Turns" soap is escalating to a re-curing starring role! I have guest starred on that soap myself more times than I'd care to admit. The level of some dancer's jealousy & possessiveness can get downright scary. And when it's the dancer's coworker or friend that "has her back" and starts harassing you as well, it might be time to look for new (if temporary) feeding grounds for awhile.

LMAO - exactly! Though I will admit that I've never been chased around the club by a latina wielding a stiletto heel ;D

But I think the other night was my last guest appearance. My local game is going back to my favorite city borough. Suddenly, the concept of dodging girls that I HAVE been banging seems to be a much smaller problem than I thought it to be. :P



It will get worse before it gets better....

Honestly Rick I know it's not your cup of tea but this sort of BS is why I started calling escorts!

At least your eyes are open...good luck!

Open indeed - to the fact that this whole conservative club "fav" thing is not my game - lol. You're also right that escorts are not my cup of tea either, but fortunately there is door number 3. Back to business as usual at the many clubs with more amenable girls ;)

yoda57us
07-15-2010, 05:52 AM
The level of some dancer's jealousy & possessiveness can get downright scary. And when it's the dancer's coworker or friend that "has her back" and starts harassing you as well, it might be time to look for new (if temporary) feeding grounds for awhile.

Oh yeah!

There was the girl who called immigration on her best friend-both were favs of mine at the same club

Then there was the girl who spread false rumors about another fav seeing me and other customers OTC for sex.

And the girl who used to walk up to me when I was sitting with another dancer and tell her, in Portuguese, to stay the fuck away from me.

Oh yeah, these were all the same dancer! Possessive psycho nut job...with a great ass! I stopped going to her club for well over a year because of this witch. She even go pissed at her own niece when I bought a dance from her!

The good thing about this was that I learned a valuable lesson. There is no sisterhood in a strip club. Money trumps everything no matter how much a dancer tries to convince you that it doesn't. That is pretty much as it should be but the whole business of women acting like they want you and not just your money can sometimes cause us to forget this...

deedee at the beach
07-15-2010, 06:35 AM
Got news for you Yoda....that's how women act in "straight jobs" too!
Ready to scratch, claw and fight their way up to mediocrity!

It's sad to say that we women are like this, but this is why we hit the "glass ceiling" in the corporate world too! We only hurt ourselves by this catty behavior.

hockeybobby
07-15-2010, 06:56 AM
The good thing about this was that I learned a valuable lesson. There is no sisterhood in a strip club. Money trumps everything no matter how much a dancer tries to convince you that it doesn't. That is pretty much as it should be but the whole business of women acting like they want you and not just your money can sometimes cause us to forget this...

I met one with a golden heart my first time walking into a club. It had been 25 years since I'd been in a stripclub, and I had the good fortune to be smitten with a complete gem of a person. She is generous, giving, and compassionate with all her coworkers and customers. Not to say there aren't the other kind, because I know they are there too, but if she exists, there must be others. I consider myself to be blessed for having met her, and we have a wonderful friendship.

Smokeless
07-15-2010, 07:14 AM
Got news for you Yoda....that's how women act in "straight jobs" too!
Ready to scratch, claw and fight their way up to mediocrity!

It's sad to say that we women are like this, but this is why we hit the "glass ceiling" in the corporate world too! We only hurt ourselves by this catty behavior.

Oh, absolutely. I've watched it in organizations I've worked for. And I've watched it in women who worked with (and undercut at absolutely every opportunity) my wife.

It's not unlike EVERYONE (male and female) who work in academia or non-profits. They are vicious, because there is so little to fight for. There's some famous quote by Henry Kissinger about this. See this (http://ask.metafilter.com/80812/Academic-politics-are-vicious-because-the-stakes-are-so-low).

At clubs, the less business there is and the more dancers there are, the more vicious it becomes.

rickdugan
07-15-2010, 09:39 AM
It's not unlike EVERYONE (male and female) who work in academia or non-profits. They are vicious, because there is so little to fight for. There's some famous quote by Henry Kissinger about this. See this (http://ask.metafilter.com/80812/Academic-politics-are-vicious-because-the-stakes-are-so-low).

At clubs, the less business there is and the more dancers there are, the more vicious it becomes.

To a small degree I concur, however...

Never have I seen two girls punching and biting each other over a conference room table. Nor have I had a girl who I was interviewing point to the last girl I interviewed and say, "My pussy is tighter than hers." I also can't remember the last time a potential "vendor" came up to me while my current "vendor" was using the bathroom and try to steal me away by massaging my male parts. ;)

I don't have much experience with this in the reg/fav context, but have seen these and other things during my road games over the years. I see the analogy that you are trying to draw but IMHO the visceral and physical nature of SC competition makes this a bit of an "apples and oranges" comparison.

yoda57us
07-15-2010, 01:09 PM
Got news for you Yoda....that's how women act in "straight jobs" too!


Lol, it's not news to me...

Casual Observer
07-15-2010, 03:35 PM
I don't have much experience with this in the reg/fav context, but have seen these and other things during my road games over the years. I see the analogy that you are trying to draw but IMHO the visceral and physical nature of SC competition makes this a bit of an "apples and oranges" comparison

Not at all an inaccurate comparison; only the venue is different, not the attitudes that permeate that environment. Just because they're not overtly sexual in their assaults on their coworkers, doesn't mean they're not tearing them down in an equally vicious fashion. Just this week, I had to deal with three women ganging up on another woman (not present at the office) because she was young, very fucking hot, and (admittedly) not the sharpest knife in the drawer and lacking in some skills for the position on this particular project. They started their remarks about how hot her body was and how her position was created to be eye candy for a VP (partially true, from my experience with her). Still, instead of trying to teach her anything, these middle-aged vultures just ripped her apart. And I have to deal with this nonsense until the end of August...waste of time.

The biggest problem for the advancement of women in the workplace is other women.

KS_Stevia
07-15-2010, 07:39 PM
Got news for you Yoda....that's how women act in "straight jobs" too!
Ready to scratch, claw and fight their way up to mediocrity!
.

Generally disagree, although I have worked with a small percentage of women that would have been psycho in the SC, so I see what you're sayiing. But the club brings out something in people that is restrained in the corporate world, IMO.

Then again, I've worked in primarily male dominated fields outside of the club, so maybe I'm a bit myopic based on experience.

lopaw
07-15-2010, 07:44 PM
The biggest problem for the advancement of women in the workplace is other women.


True dat.

Thank goodness in my line of work I am surrounded by men. Since there are no sexual issues involved (at least not from my end - no pun intended!), I am on an even playing field and have not had to deal with petty women co-worker issues. Never hit a glass ceiling either.

While I miss the tip-tap of ladies heels coming down the hallway, I realize that I am much better off in my laboratory surrounded by geeky men.

And besides - I get my weekly fill of anonymous estrogen at my favorite local SC's ;D

Smokeless
07-15-2010, 09:41 PM
Never have I seen two girls punching and biting each other over a conference room table. Nor have I had a girl who I was interviewing point to the last girl I interviewed and say, "My pussy is tighter than hers." I also can't remember the last time a potential "vendor" came up to me while my current "vendor" was using the bathroom and try to steal me away by massaging my male parts. ;)

I shouldn't need to respond, but I will.

1. I have seen two women punching and biting each other. Only metaphorically, undercutting each other in the most unseemly ways that not even men would consider.

2. The pussy example is too literal. But "my resume is better than hers" is an adequate analog in another environment, although also too literal. No different really than two men competing. They'll never say one guy's dick is bigger than another's. But they will compete with their cars, expense accounts, golf scores, cycling trail times, offices, etc. Two women in the same office will poison the environment for each other with disparaging remarks about associates, about clothing, about drinking habits, about family ... any number of other things -- whether true or not -- that turn woman against woman until the target can't get help on projects, can't get budget, can't get support in her competition with some less qualified male, and on and on and on.

In my experience, which admittedly may be different than yours, men compete honestly but may cooperate dishonestly (giving buddies favors which may be undeserved in a fair environment), whereas women cooperate honestly but compete viciously.

C.O.'s comment, "The biggest problem for the advancement of women in the workplace is other women" is spot on.

JoeUnCool
07-16-2010, 07:24 AM
Generally disagree, although I have worked with a small percentage of women that would have been psycho in the SC, so I see what you're sayiing. But the club brings out something in people that is restrained in the corporate world, IMO.

Then again, I've worked in primarily male dominated fields outside of the club, so maybe I'm a bit myopic based on experience.

I have found women to be as unethical in my line of work as men. While I work in a male dominated field, the fact that the women have been unethical (or at least underhanded) is somewhat surprising to me.

Personally, I think the issue isn't necessarily a male/female issue. There is something about capitalism that does bring out the lowest level in some people.

JoeUnCool
07-16-2010, 07:30 AM
I shouldn't need to respond, but I will.

1. I have seen two women punching and biting each other. Only metaphorically, undercutting each other in the most unseemly ways that not even men would consider.

2. The pussy example is too literal. But "my resume is better than hers" is an adequate analog in another environment, although also too literal. No different really than two men competing. They'll never say one guy's dick is bigger than another's. But they will compete with their cars, expense accounts, golf scores, cycling trail times, offices, etc. Two women in the same office will poison the environment for each other with disparaging remarks about associates, about clothing, about drinking habits, about family ... any number of other things -- whether true or not -- that turn woman against woman until the target can't get help on projects, can't get budget, can't get support in her competition with some less qualified male, and on and on and on.

In my experience, which admittedly may be different than yours, men compete honestly but may cooperate dishonestly (giving buddies favors which may be undeserved in a fair environment), whereas women cooperate honestly but compete viciously.

C.O.'s comment, "The biggest problem for the advancement of women in the workplace is other women" is spot on.

Funny story. I was at TD's North in ABQ a couple of years ago. I watched a girl go up to a guy at a table. Another girl was sitting there. In about two minutes, one girl literally attacked the other. There was hair pulling, screaming, and all kinds of things happening. Eventually, about 10 people separated the two. I thought one bouncer was going to amputate one girl's arm squeezing it as he was yelling for her to let go of the other's hair.

I've been attacked behind my back a number of times at various work places. As an outside advisor, contractor, expert in my field, its just a part of the gig. There's always someone one that has to pull someone down to make themselves think that they are big. I don't find this just male or female. its primarily from those that are insecure.

rickdugan
07-16-2010, 10:37 AM
I've been attacked behind my back a number of times at various work places. As an outside advisor, contractor, expert in my field, its just a part of the gig. There's always someone one that has to pull someone down to make themselves think that they are big. I don't find this just male or female. its primarily from those that are insecure.

I agree that this is neither male or female. Case in point is the very discussion of academia that the purveyor of this "females limit themselves" theory himself noted, where both males and females in academia were undercutting each other.

I have also seen plenty of ankle biting and sabotaging in my industry, and men were just as likely to do so as women, which leads me to believe that this is as much environmental as gender-based. To go back to the earlier examples, even if the woman at the office was interviewing for a job she DESPERATELY needed she would likely never say something outrageous to the employer or physically assault the other interviewees, but in some strip clubs just see what happens if one stripper thinks another stripper stole a customer that would have paid her $100.

Don't get me wrong, I would never be confused as a defender of the feminist manifesto for a lot of reasons, but I do not agree with the theory that the original analogy is accurate.

yoda57us
07-16-2010, 04:07 PM
To a small degree I concur, however...

Never have I seen two girls punching and biting each other over a conference room table. Nor have I had a girl who I was interviewing point to the last girl I interviewed and say, "My pussy is tighter than hers." I also can't remember the last time a potential "vendor" came up to me while my current "vendor" was using the bathroom and try to steal me away by massaging my male parts. ;)


Well, I think you are taking the comparison a bit too literally rick. There are not many instances where I am in favor of comapring dancing to any other job and this is no exception. That being said, women are women no matter what the environment is. Back stabbing, deception, out and out lies and character defamation are not limited to strip clubs. They may actually be a bit more out in the open in clubs. One of my favs with a college degree has told me more than once that the reason she still dances is due to a total disenchantment with her time spent in the corporate work force. At least in the clubs it's simple and obvious!

I spent fifteen years working in a branch of retail that involved mostly young and reasonably well educated female employees. As a fellow employee I never really noticed it but once I became a manager and had to mediate the disagreements between these women it became obvious to me that many women view competition in a completely different way than most men do...

rickdugan
07-17-2010, 06:06 AM
As a final update to my PL saga, I of course went back again ;)

This time I went loaded for bear, suited up with a bankroll in my pocket. I also eagerly chatted up a few other girls, who (per the usual) generally missile lock on the suits in this local club. When my "fav" saw this she latched on and did not move all night, except for bathroom runs and stage routines. A little unhappy about the multiple blow offs, I fed her a little (a few 2 for 1 lapdances with tips) but not what she usually made from me.

Finally, as with any sale, I looked to find out what the obstacle to closing was to determine whether it could be overcome. The answer was that covering an extended night away from her kid would be difficult for her.

I'm not sure if it was the fact that the $$$ faucet was being shutoff, a desire to give me a reason to come back after my upcoming extended road trip, whether she was concerned that I would find it from another dancer at this club if she did not provide it, or some other reason, but for whatever the reason OTC options that were not on the table before (believe me when I say I tried) suddenly emerged if it could be done as a detour on her trip home.

It seems that I couldn't close on a night with a superb restaurant, club exploration on my dime and a finale at a 4 star hotel. But a slurpy time in a parking lot? Of course. :banghead:

Mission accomplished, but the way it happened has cooled my ardor for her on multiple levels. The chase is over.

yoda57us
07-17-2010, 07:37 AM
It seems that I couldn't close on a night with a superb restaurant, club exploration on my dime and a finale at a 4 star hotel. But a slurpy time in a parking lot? Of course. :banghead:

Mission accomplished, but the way it happened has cooled my ardor for her on multiple levels. The chase is over.

This is F'n hysterical rick! It reminds me of the reg that I tried to get OTC with a few years ago. For a year she "teased" OTC by giving me head and even full service in the champagne room. Not that it wasn't enjoyable but I'm really a much bigger fan of a nice comfy bed in a nice hotel room. I offered to pay her twice what she was getting from me for an hour in VIP, dinner, a three star hotel. She kept canceling the OTC meets but was always ready to ride the yoda pony in the VIP room on my next visit to her club. She was hot, very sweet and Brazilian-which is really all it takes for me.

Eventually I got tired of the game and moved on...We all do...it doesn't mean we won't do it all over again of course!

Smokeless
07-18-2010, 06:57 AM
^^^ Both great stories! Thanks. Ain't it amazing?

JoeUnCool
07-18-2010, 08:23 AM
Rick and Yoda have interesting stories. I'm not quite sure how to explain it. I refused a very attractive girl once. When asked why, I stated that I understood the relationship and knew that the reason why she asked was because she wanted the money. She got really upset over this. I'm wondering if these girls don't consider themselves escorts if they don't do the standard escort things. Hmm, just a thought..................

FBR
07-18-2010, 11:58 AM
Dancers sometimes flirt and skirt around the edges of escorting. And oftentimes they can command higher prices for time while giving us an approximation. I have dabbled in both markets and have no problem with either. It is what it is. Veterans know what I am talking about.

FBR

yoda57us
07-18-2010, 04:55 PM
Rick and Yoda have interesting stories. I'm not quite sure how to explain it. I refused a very attractive girl once. When asked why, I stated that I understood the relationship and knew that the reason why she asked was because she wanted the money. She got really upset over this. I'm wondering if these girls don't consider themselves escorts if they don't do the standard escort things. Hmm, just a thought..................

Or she was just pissed because she wanted your money...


Dancers sometimes flirt and skirt around the edges of escorting. And oftentimes they can command higher prices for time while giving us an approximation. I have dabbled in both markets and have no problem with either. It is what it is. Veterans know what I am talking about.


Amen! Sex for money is sex for money. If it makes a dancer happier not to use the word escort or prostitute that's fine with me. Deep down inside every woman who does it knows exactly what she is doing and why. I just want to get laid and that always works out better if you stay away from calling girls names or otherwise pissing them off...

As a stripper/hooker (her words) with several safe deposit boxes full of $20's and $100's, two houses in the US and a farm in Brazil once told me "it's not what you call me, It's what I answer to that matters."

rickdugan
07-19-2010, 07:36 AM
FBR, I have been a bit of a thread pig with my little PL saga and was actually quite interested in seeing how things were going with your newly rekindled Miss D adventures.

JoeUnCool
07-19-2010, 10:46 AM
Dancers sometimes flirt and skirt around the edges of escorting. And oftentimes they can command higher prices for time while giving us an approximation. I have dabbled in both markets and have no problem with either. It is what it is. Veterans know what I am talking about.

FBR

Interesting. I had not quite thought through the "I'm not a hooker" hooker/escort. I had always discounted it in my mind. I can see how it would allow a girl to charge more based on the air of exclusivity it might bring.

rickdugan
07-19-2010, 12:05 PM
Interesting. I had not quite thought through the "I'm not a hooker" hooker/escort. I had always discounted it in my mind. I can see how it would allow a girl to charge more based on the air of exclusivity it might bring.

There are no bright lines that apply to all dancers or their boundaries. On the extreme ends of the spectrum are the girls who would never have sex for $$$ and those that do so as their primary source of income. But there is a broad bandwith of ITC and OTC practices in between.

For some it is a 'crime of opportunity" in that it may not be routine but, if the situation is right for them from a number of perspectives -current and prospective money, timing, customer involved, setting, or whatever else is important to them - they may do it. I believe this to be the situation with the girl in my PL drama (but who really knows).

Casual Observer
07-19-2010, 03:57 PM
Dancers sometimes flirt and skirt around the edges of escorting. And oftentimes they can command higher prices for time while giving us an approximation. I have dabbled in both markets and have no problem with either. It is what it is. Veterans know what I am talking about.


With dancers, I like to call this phenomenon Situational Flexibility; it's essentially another form of moral relativism that they dynamically apply when the situation warrants an adjustment in an otherwise rigid code of behavior. If a dancer isn't generally prone to OTC/P4P behavior, but her current client makes that proposition equally appealing and devoid of any perceived personal compromise, there's no internal conflict for her engaging in that activity.

FBR
07-20-2010, 08:49 PM
Interesting. I had not quite thought through the "I'm not a hooker" hooker/escort. I had always discounted it in my mind. I can see how it would allow a girl to charge more based on the air of exclusivity it might bring.Good analysis Joe. And to be honest, I cannot explain it. Maybe some of the other boys can if they pay more. I'm not a stud muffin but I learned to use money to play with willing strippers....Miss B, Miss C, Miss D, Indy ATF etc. All whose charges were way beyond the local POP. I've played in the escort world as well but I tend to gravitate back. Don't know why.

FBR

FBR
07-20-2010, 09:08 PM
FBR, I have been a bit of a thread pig with my little PL saga and was actually quite interested in seeing how things were going with your newly rekindled Miss D adventures. My tales are rusty, creaky and have been heard ad nauseum. Carry on.

FBR

JoeUnCool
07-21-2010, 07:34 AM
Good analysis Joe. And to be honest, I cannot explain it. Maybe some of the other boys can if they pay more. I'm not a stud muffin but I learned to use money to play with willing strippers....Miss B, Miss C, Miss D, Indy ATF etc. All whose charges were way beyond the local POP. I've played in the escort world as well but I tend to gravitate back. Don't know why.

FBR

I can see a couple of reasons why a stripper would be preferable to an escort. With a stripper/escort, you get to see the goods before you pay. Since a stripper knows that you are interested, she can command a higher price. Its capitalism at its finest.

rickdugan
08-05-2010, 06:01 AM
...However, when [Sexy Italian] became occupied elsewhere I had another girl (let's call her "Young Lithe Hottie") sit with me for awhile.

Then, while I was sitting with Young Lithe Hottie, a friend of Sexy Italian, who was doing her after dance barside tip walk, actually started to push and jostle Young Lithe Hottie. She was smiling and trying to pass it off as playful, but each time she pushed her shoulder or arm she would say some variation of "that's Sexy Italian's man" or "Sexy Italian sits with him." She got fairly aggressive about it.

WTF? I proceeded to make damned sure that the friend and Young Lithe Hottie understood that nobody owned me, but the fact that this happened in the first place was absurd.



As a final update to my PL saga, I of course went back again... ;)

It seems that I couldn't close on a night with a superb restaurant, club exploration on my dime and a finale at a 4 star hotel. But a slurpy time in a parking lot? Of course. :banghead:

Mission accomplished, but the way it happened has cooled my ardor for her on multiple levels. The chase is over.

As my roadtrip to Dallas was winding down Sexy Italian made sure to text me and, no surprise, I am back in the mix with her again.

Sexy Italian is on vaca this week, so I've been entertaining myself a bit with Young Lithe Hottie. Well, last night Sexy Italian's aforementioned friend saw this and started up again with Young Lithe Hottie. I put a quick stop to the horseshit, but come on. Later, as I was leaving, Young Lithe Hottie wanted to show me her new car in the back (which she was very proud of) and when I pulled around and looked at it with her, lo and behold, Sexy Italian's friend shows up there too!

This is particularly frustrating as I am getting a strong OTC vibe from Young Lithe Hottie now (asking if I will be around to close, a chat out in the back parking lot, etc.), but I am getting jammed up. I would just firebomb the obstruction, but I also want another run or two with Sexy Italian.

Also, I am being offered an OTC meeting with Sexy Italian outside of a slurpy parking lot event, but her friend from the club would also be coming along on this outing as both girls are looking to check out a few different clubs. Now I wouldn't mind this except I am not particularly attracted to the friend, so to me she is just baggage. We will see.

This shit just never ends. I just got back and already I need another road trip.

yoda57us
08-05-2010, 05:49 PM
Also, I am being offered an OTC meeting with Sexy Italian outside of a slurpy parking lot event, but her friend from the club would also be coming along on this outing as both girls are looking to check out a few different clubs. Now I wouldn't mind this except I am not particularly attracted to the friend, so to me she is just baggage.


Yeah, two's company...three is a crowd...

KS_Stevia
08-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Yeah, two's company...three is a crowd...

But sometimes its fucking AWESOME! }:D

rickdugan
08-06-2010, 06:30 AM
But sometimes its fucking AWESOME! }:D

LOL - sometimes yes - I've had a couple of real good experiences, but not likely in this case. The friend is my age and I don't find her very attractive.

The friend is also starting to become a major cock blocker. Things were starting to go very well with Young Lithe Hottie over the last few days, but on my most recent night in the club Sexy Italian's friend guarded me like a bull hound until I finally sent her away so that I could rekindle with Young Lithe Hottie. Then, when the conversation moves to the back parking lot later that night, the damned obstructionist woman magically appears again! >:( Now she wants to be in on the OTC club trip out with Sexy Italian.

Nope, yoda is right that three is a crowd. Time to find a way to lose the friend or pass on this little outing.

yoda57us
08-06-2010, 12:44 PM
But sometimes its fucking AWESOME! }:D

Did you have anyone in mind for number 3? }:D

KS_Stevia
08-06-2010, 04:16 PM
Did you have anyone in mind for number 3? }:D

YES YES YES! Couple of options, but the one girl I've talked about, hells yes! This reminds me, gonna send her a text right now. }:D

Funny thing, just found out a girl at my work is a stripper. She was a temp, so she might not be there anymore. Super cute black girl who was very slender but with huge boobs. She wore very tight clothes with a lot of rhinestones and was always passed out at her desk.

I pegged her for stripper from moment one. Today, my boss confirmed it. Lulz.

FBR
08-06-2010, 07:15 PM
KS=temptress yoda having met her rightfully has wood thinking about the possible opportunity }:D

FBR

yoda57us
08-07-2010, 06:42 PM
KS=temptress yoda having met her rightfully has wood thinking about the possible opportunity }:D

FBR

yes, KS=yoda wood pretty much all the time....sigh....

rickdugan
08-08-2010, 06:16 AM
This is particularly frustrating as I am getting a strong OTC vibe from Young Lithe Hottie now (asking if I will be around to close, a chat out in the back parking lot, etc.), but I am getting jammed up. I would just firebomb the obstruction, but I also want another run or two with Sexy Italian.

Also, I am being offered an OTC meeting with Sexy Italian outside of a slurpy parking lot event, but her friend from the club would also be coming along on this outing as both girls are looking to check out a few different clubs. Now I wouldn't mind this except I am not particularly attracted to the friend, so to me she is just baggage. We will see.


Another slurpy parking lot event with Sexy Italian, which unexpectedly turned into something else. It was actually pretty awesome overall and she is beautiful, but I'm starting to feel like a stupid teenager and I stopped having sex in my car about 2 decades ago.

But with her most recent performance, Sexy Italian has changed my mind about the OTC night with the extra luggage. What a surprise ::)

Meanwhile, Young Lithe Hottie made sure, during one of the rare moments that Sexy Italian was not sitting with me, to let me know (unsolicited and during her stage routine) that she was open to outside adventure should I be interested.

Young Lithe Hottie is ridiculously sexy with a body and attitude that would make you want to do all sorts of bad things, but I know that if I hook up with her that I will be finished with Sexy Italian, who I also want and who I am enjoying a great deal at the moment.

This is like a bad episode of "As the Strip Club Turns."

Honestly, I don't know how you guys that routinely deal with "favs" handle this crap. I will readily admit that my road game is a lot simpler than this local club/fav/working your way to OTC thing.