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JoeUnCool
08-08-2010, 05:45 PM
But sometimes its fucking AWESOME! }:D
While I am sure that a threesome is fun for most, it has been been fun for me. Add in that in this case, the third is attempting to barge in will make this a complete disaster. Been there, done that, had the disaster. In fact, I've never had a 3some where someone didn't get their feelings hurt in some way. Rick, my suggestion is to bypass the 3some action, especially where someone is barging in. Don't worry, they are scheming how to add the friend in. Trust me, I know. You may be only interested in the italian, but the friend will do anything she can to get herself into your pocketbook
rickdugan
08-12-2010, 08:30 AM
Also true for me...lol, at least now it is! Years ago when I was on the single ATF at a time plan I was also a major contributor to the gal's income. This is where the drama starts and ends in a strip club. Nowadays I spend but I spread it around. I'm not the guy that is going to make any gal's night financially and I like that just fine.
This is an excellent post and good advice. I just started learning my lesson about this the hard way as my little fav/reg experiment winds down.
Over the last 2 months I became an increasingly important part of Sexy Italian's income. She was pretty candid the other night in telling me that, the other week, I provided over half of what she made for that week (this club, like many, has been suffering recently). The amount of drama relating to my interactions with other dancers has increased in lockstep with my rising contributions to her bottom line.
Last night was the worst. My fav was out sick, but her guard dog friend was there. She worked hard behind the scenes to keep me girl free almost all night, and even went as far as to aggressively confront one girl that I've been warming to in the dressing room. "That's Sexy Italian's customer, so back the fuck off. Oh, and I heard you offered him sex!" (Not exactly true and I never said anything to anyone, though she did allude to the possibility recently while doing a stage performance).
As an aside, the girl that the friend confronted is young and somewhat new to the business and was shaken by the event. It happened in a dressing room with other dancers in it, which did not help matters once they heard this claim that the newbie was offering sex to someone else's regular. No doubt this did nothing good for my image in the club either as I'll surely be seen as a big mouth who blabbed. This club is now burned for me as a source of any additional fun with any other girl. :banghead:
And all the while, unknown to anyone else (of course - I am discreet and keep my mouth shut), except maybe the very friend that engineered the confrontation (and not from me), Young Lithe Hottie is getting trashed for an alleged offer of services that I am actually getting from Sexy Italian. /:O
I am irritated by all of this drama and am truly done with this experiment. I am now going back to my primary game and I'll leave this fav shit to those of you who have the patience for it.
Smokeless
08-12-2010, 09:40 PM
I'm not the guy that is going to make any gal's night financially and I like that just fine.
Re-reading this, I now realize why Athena chose not to hang out in Colorado. Except for special occasions and travel, I typically budget myself to $100 to $150 per visit. Yet several dancers at my clubs have said that my visit "made their night." I suspect it's not because of my charm and grace. But $100-$150 shouldn't make a gal's night!
Still, I missed her possible visit here. I would have made it a special occasion, especially had Kylea come along. But I've given up trying to get her to Boulder after more than a year of trying.
JoeUnCool
08-13-2010, 07:49 AM
This is an excellent post and good advice. I just started learning my lesson about this the hard way as my little fav/reg experiment winds down.
Over the last 2 months I became an increasingly important part of Sexy Italian's income. She was pretty candid the other night in telling me that, the other week, I provided over half of what she made for that week (this club, like many, has been suffering recently). The amount of drama relating to my interactions with other dancers has increased in lockstep with my rising contributions to her bottom line.
thanks Yoda and Rick. I've always tried to be pretty open that I'm no one's customer. Sometimes they listen, sometimes not, and sometimes I forget.
Personally, I'm trying to get over faves. The last one at PP seems to have blown me off. I decided that I would get intouch with the girl I met in Vegas a while back. She says she's working at one of the brothels in Nevada now and she can hook up with me when I am in Vegas. I'm not interested in the escorting part. The wind is now whistling. Oh well, the thrill of the chase..............}:D
rockie
08-13-2010, 07:40 PM
Rick: I may not share the same viewpoint, or experiences, that you have while visiting your strip clubs, but I respectfully don't understand why you don't have enough "game" to overcome your specific local club dynamic. A strip club visit to your specific club is your right to sample it's offerings as you see fit. If you are good enough to extract the OTC offerings that you do on the road, you are good enough to play a visit any way you see fit at your local club. I'm good with letting stuff play out in a strip club visit (without working the visit), but not where it effects the enjoyment of that visit more than once. These days I take responsibility for my mediocre visits and if a fav isn't working - cock blocking by an alleged friend of fav has a limit of 15 minutes. At the 15 minute mark - any attempt to negatively effect my visit comes with a warning that it could cost the fav and her friend my business in the long term. I express myself cordially: MY time ---my dime ---my visit!
lopaw
08-13-2010, 08:14 PM
I am irritated by all of this drama and am truly done with this experiment. I am now going back to my primary game and I'll leave this fav shit to those of you who have the patience for it.
Well....you hung in there longer than most would have tolerated it.
On to new adventures once again :)
rickdugan
08-14-2010, 04:10 AM
Rick: I may not share the same viewpoint, or experiences, that you have while visiting your strip clubs, but I respectfully don't understand why you don't have enough "game" to overcome your specific local club dynamic. A strip club visit to your specific club is your right to sample it's offerings as you see fit. If you are good enough to extract the OTC offerings that you do on the road, you are good enough to play a visit any way you see fit at your local club. I'm good with letting stuff play out in a strip club visit (without working the visit), but not where it effects the enjoyment of that visit more than once. These days I take responsibility for my mediocre visits and if a fav isn't working - cock blocking by an alleged friend of fav has a limit of 15 minutes. At the 15 minute mark - any attempt to negatively effect my visit comes with a warning that it could cost the fav and her friend my business in the long term. I express myself cordially: MY time ---my dime ---my visit!
Ah, so your theory is that a customer can control the interactions between the girls...interesting.
Seems I came up short in a few different ways:
First, while I put a stop to multiple incidents on the floor and made my point to the friend strongly and repeatedly, I was clearly remiss in not following her into the dressing room to police her interactions further.
Second, I did not find a way to comfort a shaken young newbie into understanding that the friend (and potentially other more seasoned dancers) wasn't really going to do bad things to her later.
And finally, I didn't sufficiently make it clear to the other girls, many of whom were avoiding me like the bubonic plague, that they could come and talk to me even with all of the drama surrounding me with these other girls.
My skills were obviously not up to the challenge. I live and learn.
Athenathefabulous
08-14-2010, 04:18 AM
Re-reading this, I now realize why Athena chose not to hang out in Colorado. Except for special occasions and travel, I typically budget myself to $100 to $150 per visit. Yet several dancers at my clubs have said that my visit "made their night." I suspect it's not because of my charm and grace. But $100-$150 shouldn't make a gal's night!
Still, I missed her possible visit here. I would have made it a special occasion, especially had Kylea come along. But I've given up trying to get her to Boulder after more than a year of trying.
lol agreed, although 100-150 is a perfectly reasonable amount to spend in the club. if like 3-4 customers spend that and then a few more spend 20-50$ it ends up being a good night.
ill be back in denver at some pt. when i went last it seemed like the money was bad and the clubs were overstaffed and kind of in a bad state, except for maybe shotguns which i didnt want to try. although next time i go back i think im gonna bite the bullet and try shotguns.
3-Legged Man
08-14-2010, 05:30 AM
Rickdugan, I think that you owe it to yourself to sample Young Lithe Hottie or you'll forever wonder what you missed. If you have a phone # for her, use that to stay away from Sexy Italian's watchdog. Your tale sounds so much like a typical teenage drama, except it's happening in and around a strip club. It could be that Sexy Italian's looking for a Sugar Daddy. and that just doesn't fit your profile. I say give YLH a try. That could be what it takes to get you out of this rut.
rockie
08-14-2010, 05:36 AM
Rick: I don't recommend dressing room visits and no you can't control all interactions in a club. You can calmly influence your future visits by pointing out certain things to your "Italian Hottie" and her protector that you don't care for in your recent visits.
rickdugan
08-14-2010, 06:36 AM
Rickdugan, I think that you owe it to yourself to sample Young Lithe Hottie or you'll forever wonder what you missed.
LOL - I like your thinking. I just learned that she hasn't been in the club since the night of the incident, even skipping her Thursday and Friday night shifts (two busiest nights of the week for this club). If I ever see her again I may just try, though after all of the drama I could very well be burned with her.
Rick: I don't recommend dressing room visits and no you can't control all interactions in a club. You can calmly influence your future visits by pointing out certain things to your "Italian Hottie" and her protector that you don't care for in your recent visits.
That was tongue in cheek rockie. Read my previous posts and you will see that I was very clear all around about my displeasure.
IME there is very little one can do to control what a dancer will do in her habitat, and this was the case here. Read other posts on here about disengaging from "favs." The reality is that most of the hardened SCJs on here still, more times than not, end up having to leave a club for awhile when they drop a fav.
I've learned from my road game that a dancer can burn you in a number of ways in a club, which is why I normally fly quietly under the radar. Now I've got missile locks and strafing rounds all over me.
majordon
08-14-2010, 02:03 PM
although next time i go back i think im gonna bite the bullet and try shotguns.
Good plan. Can't write off Denver until you've tried Shotguns.
And we here need to support our local independent lest we have no alternative to the Conglomerate.
In fact I was there last night and if I didn't make anyone's night it was only because I scattered my fire, not for lack of spending. My budget may be like smokeless for a normal night, but I'll go more for a really fun night with some friendly hustle. And I was planning a 1-time off-budget allocation to meet the now-Goddess Athena. Congratulations. :D
yoda57us
08-16-2010, 04:39 AM
In spite of the the fact that we are the ones spending the money there is very little we can control in a strip club. It's one more reason that I rarely compare the dancer/customer dynamic to any other job or sales environment.
The key for me has always been figuring out as quickly as possible what I can control in a particular interaction with a dancer that I'm interested in and also walking away quickly when the drama tips the scales too heavily on the risk vs. reward scale.
There is a difference between a mutual business relationship and being played...
rockie
08-16-2010, 05:19 AM
I finally read this thread again and Rick's dilemma makes more sense to me now. My visits and Rick's visits are like comparing snorkeling to diving, Rick I have nothing to offer you! Good Luck!
rickdugan
08-16-2010, 07:45 AM
^I came down hard on the friend several times, with one 15 minute rant and several other one-off comments. Things I said to her included:
"Don't ever fucking touch somebody I am sitting with."
"In case it's not clear, noone owns me and you are screwing around with my entertainment."
"Don't ever fucking pull a stunt like that again."
I put a stop to the crap on the floor, but all she did was move it to the dressing room.
I will admit that I probably should have turned the screws on Sexy Italian's money sooner in order to stop the problem, but of course there is no guaranteee that the DR stuff would have stopped and, if I had done so, I risked alienating a girl that I got a little infatuated with just as things were humming along nicely. Classic PL stuff, but there it is. :banghead:
Sexy Italian now knows that this has since cost her a lot of money (I cancelled on an event the other night and did not give her much on my last visit). She swears that the situation is fixed as she tries to woo me back, but I am done.
rickdugan
08-16-2010, 07:50 AM
I finally read this thread again and Rick's dilemma makes more sense to me now. My visits and Rick's visits are like comparing snorkeling to diving, Rick I have nothing to offer you! Good Luck!
LOL - no problem. There is nothing but humility in my game and I never know too much to learn, particularly in fav/reg territory as I am normally a road hound. There were parts of this I could have handled better if I was not so caught up in this girl. :P
yoda57us
08-16-2010, 01:12 PM
There were parts of this I could have handled better if I was not so caught up in this girl. :P
If you ever figure out a way around this part let me know...
3-Legged Man
08-16-2010, 01:13 PM
Any update on Young Lithe Hottie???
rickdugan
08-16-2010, 03:39 PM
Any update on Young Lithe Hottie???
Nope. I haven't been there in a few nights. The dramatic confrontation happened on Wednesday of last week and the last status I have for her is that she called out the next two nights, which are the two busiest nights of the week for this place. I'm not surprised - she was very shaken when last I saw her.
I am now burned with her and in this club in any event. :(
This PL saga is now offically closed. I will not be back to this club for some time to come. It is now long past time for me to make way for other interesting addiction stories.
JoeUnCool
08-17-2010, 09:37 PM
In spite of the the fact that we are the ones spending the money there is very little we can control in a strip club. It's one more reason that I rarely compare the dancer/customer dynamic to any other job or sales environment.
The key for me has always been figuring out as quickly as possible what I can control in a particular interaction with a dancer that I'm interested in and also walking away quickly when the drama tips the scales too heavily on the risk vs. reward scale.
There is a difference between a mutual business relationship and being played...
As someone that was played way more than anyone else in the basement, it may seem that u have no control, but u really do have 100% of the control. Go somewhere else. Say no. It's not really that hard to do. Heck, I have found it empowering. Capitalism at it's finest.
JoeUnCool
08-17-2010, 09:44 PM
^I came down hard on the friend several times, with one 15 minute rant and several other one-off comments. Things I said to her included:
"Don't ever fucking touch somebody I am sitting with."
"In case it's not clear, noone owns me and you are screwing around with my entertainment."
"Don't ever fucking pull a stunt like that again."
I put a stop to the crap on the floor, but all she did was move it to the dressing room.
I will admit that I probably should have turned the screws on Sexy Italian's money sooner in order to stop the problem, but of course there is no guaranteee that the DR stuff would have stopped and, if I had done so, I risked alienating a girl that I got a little infatuated with just as things were humming along nicely. Classic PL stuff, but there it is. :banghead:
Sexy Italian now knows that this has since cost her a lot of money (I cancelled on an event the other night and did not give her much on my last visit). She swears that the situation is fixed as she tries to woo me back, but I am done.
Excellent. Glad u stood up for yourself! And I'm glad u put her in her place. Sometime it does feel good to knock someone down a notch and put them in their place when that person is being a complete pita. Good job Rick. Good job on standing up for yourself. When u add in the way the other girl was treated, I really love this.
PS. And I thought u were a a bit of a wimp. ;)
rickdugan
08-18-2010, 08:09 AM
Excellent. Glad u stood up for yourself! And I'm glad u put her in her place. Sometime it does feel good to knock someone down a notch and put them in their place when that person is being a complete pita. Good job Rick. Good job on standing up for yourself. When u add in the way the other girl was treated, I really love this.
PS. And I thought u were a a bit of a wimp. ;)
A lot of good it did me :P
Honestly I think everything that I said rolled off the friend like water off of a duck's back. She plowed ahead and did whatever she wanted to anyway, despite my repeated comments to her. In her mind, I'm sure that I was just a dumb customer and that this was a dancer matter.
JoeUnCool
08-18-2010, 06:00 PM
A lot of good it did me :P
Honestly I think everything that I said rolled off the friend like water off of a duck's back. She plowed ahead and did whatever she wanted to anyway, despite my repeated comments to her. In her mind, I'm sure that I was just a dumb customer and that this was a dancer matter.
if you don't go back, you've done the best you can do. If you go back, you'll fall back into orbit.
70% of dancers are fine. 30% are scumbags in some way. It sounds like these two girls fall into the 30%. you're better off without them. I've been there, done it, and gotten the experience on this.
Warning: its kinda like the moth to the flame, or a child playing with fire. You don't understand the danger until you get tot he other side. Trust me on this, don't go back. Lose the numbers of all involved and don't respond to any of them.
racejeff
08-18-2010, 07:49 PM
A lot of good it did me :P
Honestly I think everything that I said rolled off the friend like water off of a duck's back. She plowed ahead and did whatever she wanted to anyway, despite my repeated comments to her. In her mind, I'm sure that I was just a dumb customer and that this was a dancer matter.
This a is one that depends on where my head is. Dancer friend cost the Italian money but may never understand that.
Option 1 If you can control the situation a return visit with the Italian being shut out is sort of the return shot across the bow. Tip all dancers but 2 and give Lithe Hottie a big stage tip. I can't always do that to a dancer I've known for a while but Italian needed to control her friend.
Option 2 find a different club. This is my current choice to avoid a dancer I've never spent time with that has crossed all annoying threshold in my two return visits to an old haunt. Said annoying dancer didn't work there when it was an old familiar place.
I just don't have panache to pull off option 1 easily/often. But I've almost never had a dancer o that for over the line.
I really thought you were on solid ground there.
I really thought you were on solid ground there. We all like to believe that but at the end of the day it is more likely than not quicksand.
FBR
yoda57us
08-21-2010, 12:22 PM
We all like to believe that but at the end of the day it is more likely than not quicksand.
FBR
So true FBR...so true...
Got a text from a fav who I will affectionately refer to as "Brazilian MILF" earlier today apologizing for ignoring my last three texts trying to set up an OTC date that she had actually initiated conversation on last month. At this point I'm fairly certain that I am getting the big ole' OTC tease but time will tell...
So true FBR...so true...
Got a text from a fav who I will affectionately refer to as "Brazilian MILF" earlier today apologizing for ignoring my last three texts trying to set up an OTC date that she had actually initiated conversation on last month. At this point I'm fairly certain that I am getting the big ole' OTC tease but time will tell...Considering how solid you are on your Brazilian ladies this is a surprise. There has to be more to the story, Please keep us updated.
FBR
KS_Stevia
08-21-2010, 04:12 PM
While I am sure that a threesome is fun for most, it has been been fun for me. Add in that in this case, the third is attempting to barge in will make this a complete disaster. Been there, done that, had the disaster. In fact, I've never had a 3some where someone didn't get their feelings hurt in some way.
Ur doin it wrong! However, I've had a threesome situ where someone got their feelings hurt, so it does happen. But mine was w two guys. The guy I was seeing got pissed that his friend interjected himself into the mix and I went for it.}:D
Not, as far as paid OTC threesomes, those should all go swimmingly, since there is no emotional connections. At least I've never had a paid one go bad. In fact, the 2 girls usually work together as a team to get the guy happy.
2 on 1 lapdances...not always so much, particularly when the 2 girls don't know each other and/or don't like each other.
lopaw
08-21-2010, 08:18 PM
2 on 1 lapdances...not always so much, particularly when the 2 girls don't know each other and/or don't like each other.
I've only done the 2 girl lapdance ITC a few times, but I always made sure the 2 ladies got along REALLY well with each other before attempting it - I'm paying double the cost of the dance(s), so I'm gonna make sure that we all get along.
But to be honest, I never really cared for this kind of thing ITC. Usually the lap dance space is too tight & cramped to really spread out and enjoy everything the ladies have to offer.
OTC is a whole different matter, of course ;)
^ I agree. I've only done 2 girl ITC a couple of times and it was a waste. When I am spending double the LD charge more than ever I want it to be about me. Instead the ladies were fooling around with themselves. No thanks.
2 girl OTC I have no idea. Could be better or worse. I'm one of the rare guys who isn't into girl on girl so I am unlikely to spend large sums to find out.
FBR
hockeybobby
08-22-2010, 11:09 AM
A threesome with two hot chicks is on my Bucket List. I don't know when, where, or how it's going to happen, but it will. Just the gentle anticipation of it pleases me for now. I'm not going to force it by paying for it. It'll happen in due course.
^ LOL Paying for it could accelerate the process but I am sure you have already thought about that }:D
FBR
rickdugan
08-22-2010, 11:25 AM
^ 2 girl OTC I have no idea. Could be better or worse. I'm one of the rare guys who isn't into girl on girl so I am unlikely to spend large sums to find out.
I can only speak for my rare experiences in this but they were awesome. I'm not talking about the ones where a 2nd girl came to the room and sat in a corner - still can't get head around that but I was drunk enough that I didn't mind - but the ones where both girls participated.
I have 0 interest in watching two girls do each other on my dime either - it is all about what they are doing to me and I to them. But of course I don't want to go too far into this as I detailed it already in the 2 Girl OTC thread...
...so to keep it within the addicted theme, count me in as one who would readily do it again if the price is not too crazy. Last time I did this it was the best $500, for a full hour, that I have ever spent on OTC.
hockeybobby
08-22-2010, 11:32 AM
^ LOL Paying for it could accelerate the process but I am sure you have already thought about that }:D
FBR
Indeed, I have. It's not really the type of experience that I'm looking for though. I'd prefer a much higher level of intimacy and connection. I'll hold out for that. It'll happen soon enough...and right on time.
^ Rick don't worry if a few thoughts bleed to this thread from your thread. I know you said that to direct attention back to your thread LOL Having said that Blue is pretty open and not moderated heavily so if posts wander randomly not a big deal.
But to your point, and as I said previously I have no experience OTC with two ladies. I don't know how that would go. The only experience I can rely on is ITC which gave me a poor ROI club wise. I did have one experience IRL decades ago but that is not relevant as I wasn't paying them. So I am inclined to respect your opinion sir but but the shill from dancers begging for 2-on-1 one is annoying as I know the hot dancer asking (there is always a hot dancer asking and a not so hot hanger-on). It's much less complicated to do the dancer thing one on one.
FBR
yoda57us
08-22-2010, 12:18 PM
I've always found two girl LD's or VIP's to be a huge waste of time for me. I also tend to be attracted to dancers who prefer working alone as well so the topic doesn't come up very often.
As far as two girl P4P, well, I did it a couple of times years ago. It was, in both cases, with two girls who worked for the same agency and did doubles together all the time. I wouldn't recommend just putting two women in the same room with you who have not worked together before and expecting good results. Of course "good" is in the eye of the beholder! I had fun with the double dates but honestly nowadays I prefer a bit more intimacy which is not something you will get with three sets of sex organs in the room. I would much rather invest in a two hour date with my ATF (which turns into a four or five hour date) than to pay two women to double team me with the intent of getting a pop out of me as quickly as possible and babbling for the rest of the hour...
I have a couple of dream duos that I would love to put together but being as they are all UTR girls who work in different parts of the country and fade in and out of retirement it's not likely to happen.
JoeUnCool
08-22-2010, 12:25 PM
Ur doin it wrong! However, I've had a threesome situ where someone got their feelings hurt, so it does happen. But mine was w two guys. The guy I was seeing got pissed that his friend interjected himself into the mix and I went for it.}:D
I probably did do it wrong everytime, but what's done is done.
None of what u r about to read is bragging:
I've had 1 3some where I was an invitee into a guy and his girlfriend. While I joke about the size of my maleness being small, I'm not. Before I got fat, drank too much, and had an unhealthy lifestyle with no exercise, I used to have a rather long, large, and thick member. Now, I can't get it erect, but that is a completely different story. I was invited because he saw me pull it out at a urinal once. Anyway, she was gorgeous and she liked some of the nastiest things. She pawed all over me when we got together. I made a crack about my buddy's size compared to mine. She called me a couple of times wanting to hookup. Explained I wasn't interested. By then, I had found out she was doing a bunch of the guys, think she was doing a different one each night. Thanksfully, I never got an STD from this or any other chick. Anyway, my buddy got jealous of the attention she showed on me and bitched at me. I decided never to be involved with them again. My friend and I r still buddies today. We understand that emotions can run high in this situation.
I have had 2 girls invite me to 3somes. Their friend would always get mad. I explained to one girl that I had never met her before, didn't know anything about what she liked, and was a little bit nervous about what she liked so I was a little bit timid. With another chick, I would never have touched her if I hadn't been dragged into it. wow, she was ugly. I would never have touched her at closing time in a bar if she fell on the floor with her legs spread screaming do me. How do u tell someone in a 3some u don't want to touch them, let along doing anything sexual with them.
Not, as far as paid OTC threesomes, those should all go swimmingly, since there is no emotional connections. At least I've never had a paid one go bad. In fact, the 2 girls usually work together as a team to get the guy happy.
Check my TRs on this nightmare. This was definitely my fault for letting it happen. as for what u have done, well, remember that no everyone is focused on the customer. Some are focused on just getting the money.
2 on 1 lapdances...not always so much, particularly when the 2 girls don't know each other and/or don't like each other.
With the bad experiences already, why go here. To me, its a waste of money.
rickdugan
08-22-2010, 12:38 PM
I would much rather invest in a two hour date with my ATF (which turns into a four or five hour date) than to pay two women to double team me with the intent of getting a pop out of me as quickly as possible and babbling for the rest of the hour...
One of my goals in negotiating full hour OTC is to allow for the possibility of two pops. This is sometimes possible and sometimes not, largely depending on how drunk I am. If not then fine, I still had a good unrushed time, but if I go quickly on #1 then the chance to extract additional value is still there.
Both full participation 2 girl OTC sessions that I had were great in this regard, with plenty of hands, mouths and other parts available to assume the revival and 2nd completion workload. Of course, remember too that, as a rule of thumb, I do not pay OTC strippers until my time is up, so they are incentivized to be motivated. ;)
Of course, we all have different things that we seek in these arrangements so will have different preferences. Given my current life situation, I'm just looking for a good time with girls half my age, but others may seek other things that are not best served by this type of arrangement.
yoda57us
08-22-2010, 12:46 PM
Considering how solid you are on your Brazilian ladies this is a surprise. There has to be more to the story, Please keep us updated.
FBR
Lol, The Brazilian girls have changed a lot over the years. I still have a couple of favs who are strictly ITC and an escort friend or two but the newer bread of South American dancers are devoid of the charm that first attracted me to them years ago...or maybe they just aren't as good at acting as their predecessors...
In spite of posted suggestions to the contrary, I never ask a dancer to see me OTC. I leave that to them. Be it for fun or for profit I prefer to let them do the asking as this usually means that they are serious about it. This has always worked for me. Since I have no qualms about seeing escorts I have never been in a position where getting OTC from a dancer was my only option. I'm very patient and not very pushy when it comes to OTC. Brazilian MILF is a lady that I have known for many years through three or four different clubs. We never even talked about OTC when I was a married man but she started dangling the carrot a few months ago when I ran into her, after a long absence from her club, as a newly single man. She is a no extras gal working in clubs where BJ/HJ is a regular occurrence so she has always appreciated my business and the fact that I don't ask her to go beyond her comfort zone. If she does do OTC P4P she has not hinted about it to me. Her suggestions have been more about going to the beach or out to dinner. I am always up for a few hours of fun with a hot woman even if it doesn't end in the sack. We both have psycho ex spouses and older kids so we have lots to talk about. Suffice to say, it would be fun but there have been too many false starts to have me convinced that she is not just dangling the carrot to keep me coming back to see her at the club. I haven't visited her at her club for almost a month now. The text messages and VM's have centered around coordinating our schedules but they could also easily be hints from her as to when she is at the club and wanting me to stop by and spend some money. I'm playing along for now, as I said, I'm patient.
In the end though it may cost her my ITC business. I don't expect OTC form any dancer as a means of getting or keeping my business but I don't like being teased about it either especially since I'm never the one to bring it up first. My longest running fav has been a regular of mine for almost ten years. We've never done anything OTC and neither of us has ever brought it up. Her hotness, her dances and her honesty are what keep me coming back.
^ I am focused on her VM's and texts. Sounds like you are irritated with her seemingly trying to change what has been a good arrangement for years. Just speculating...I don't know. I am going through a transitional period with Miss D. We have been going back and forth for months. She texts me often telling me how much she misses me and asking for a Saturday or at least a club visit or drinks. Of course I know what is what but considering how attracted I am to her it is difficult to say no. Especially when she goes commando for me. Anyway, Yoda I can see you have your arms around all this (maybe with a little bit of a struggle considering long time affections) but at the end of the day it will all work out. I am considering gathering up a new flock. Not sure I can afford it but I suspect they will be more willing.
FBR
rickdugan
08-22-2010, 03:42 PM
I've been a post pig on this thread, detailing my first heavy duty fav/PL drama like I have discovered fire, meanwhile more seasoned pros at this are doubtless simply nodding and smiling. I also appreciate the insights of some of those more seasoned pros, including yoda and FBR.
With that said, I am shamelessly dipping into the well one more time as this ridiculous saga, as all too familiar to others as it is new for me, has finally ended.
She has texted me repeatedly over the last several days to draw me back in, and the truth is that, despite everything, I wanted to see her again. However, due to the well chronicled recent events, this thing has really run its course for me and I am done. I told her today that I am no longer coming into the club and that she should stop texting and calling me.
Now I am, quite ridiculously given my life situation, actually feeling a sense of loss and a little sadness. I actually miss her. I know full well that fostering this feeling of a connection was her job, and no doubt that this comes off as quite pathetic, but there it is.
I'll pose this question to, and be grateful for insights from, those with more experience with fav/reg situations than I have: Is this a normal reaction?
I've been enough of a post hog already that I will leave this as my last post on this topic, but feedback on this issue is welcome.
JoeUnCool
08-22-2010, 03:55 PM
I've been a post pig on this thread, detailing my first heavy duty fav/PL drama like I have discovered fire, meanwhile more seasoned pros at this are doubtless simply nodding and smiling. I also appreciate the insights of some of those more seasoned pros, including yoda and FBR.
With that said, I am shamelessly dipping into the well one more time as this ridiculous saga, as all too familiar to others as it is new for me, has finally ended.
She has texted me repeatedly over the last several days to draw me back in, and the truth is that, despite everything, I wanted to see her again. However, due to the well chronicled recent events, this thing has really run its course for me and I am done. I told her today that I am no longer coming into the club and that she should stop texting and calling me.
Now I am, quite ridiculously given my life situation, actually feeling a sense of loss and a little sadness. I actually miss her. I know full well that fostering this feeling of a connection was her job, and no doubt that this comes off as quite pathetic, but there it is.
I'll pose this question to, and be grateful for insights from, those with more experience with fav/reg situations than I have: Is this a normal reaction?
I've been enough of a post hog already that I will leave this as my last post on this topic, but feedback on this issue is greatly appreciated.
Been there, done that, got the tshirt. Do you know how many times I walked away from my nightmare?
Why do u think the term PL exists? Pathetic Loser? Sex, the thought of sex, and the desire to snag a beautiful woman are the most powerful drugs. You are currently going thru withdrawl. The cravings are hard. I bet they keep you up at night. You are probably also a bit depressed and distracted. It happens to EVERYONE that is a true SCJ. That's Strip Club Junkie, not Strip Club Customer or Strip Club Attendee or Strip Club Connesuir. You are addicted to the woman. It is obvious.
We have all gone thru it. It happens. The best way to get over one woman is to get under another. Its true. Find another club and another chick. That's an order there soldier!
yoda57us
08-22-2010, 06:32 PM
Now I am, quite ridiculously given my life situation, actually feeling a sense of loss and a little sadness. I actually miss her. I know full well that fostering this feeling of a connection was her job, and no doubt that this comes off as quite pathetic, but there it is.
I'll pose this question to, and be grateful for insights from, those with more experience with fav/reg situations than I have: Is this a normal reaction?
It's normal for some of us (myself included). In the midst of discussing the mechanics of ITC, OTC or P4P in general on threads like this it would appear to some that it's all about a simple exchange of cash for sexual favors of one sort or another. It's never been that simple for me. There is a human element involved for me whether I am with a dancer or an escort. If I see a girl more than once it means that there is an appeal for me beyond the sex. For better or worse emotions come in to play. I can't imagine ever being so jaded that I can't laugh with a woman before, after or during the encounter. Of course, once you open yourself up for the laughter it stands to reason that there will also be occasional tears...
yoda57us
08-22-2010, 06:39 PM
^ I am focused on her VM's and texts. Sounds like you are irritated with her seemingly trying to change what has been a good arrangement for years.
FBR
That sums it up pretty well FBR. If she never brought it up I would have been content to stop in, buy my laps and leave. Now I'm intrigued enough to play along for a bit and see where it goes.
KS_Stevia
08-26-2010, 04:32 AM
So I am inclined to respect your opinion sir but but the shill from dancers begging for 2-on-1 one is annoying as I know the hot dancer asking (there is always a hot dancer asking and a not so hot hanger-on). It's much less complicated to do the dancer thing one on one.
FBR
I also dislike this hustle and always preferred to work alone. If I was successfully working a group of guys and they wanted my "friends", I would wave over whoever I saw that wasn't ugly or I hated, and let her work her own game.
Double team hustlers miss out on great opps, IMO.
KS_Stevia
08-26-2010, 04:38 AM
As far as two girl P4P, well, I did it a couple of times years ago. It was, in both cases, with two girls who worked for the same agency and did doubles together all the time. I wouldn't recommend just putting two women in the same room with you who have not worked together before and expecting good results. Of course "good" is in the eye of the beholder! .
I been in this situ at least twice from recollection. And both times worked out really well, haha. One of the girls and I even became friends and we would hook up on occasion after that, just for fun. But then again, I am ME, and love the naughties. }:D
KS_Stevia
08-26-2010, 04:45 AM
Check my TRs on this nightmare. This was definitely my fault for letting it happen. as for what u have done, well, remember that no everyone is focused on the customer. Some are focused on just getting the money.
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It always about the money. But sex is fun, so why not enjoy it while you're there. Threesomes should be about no boundaries/holds barred, otherwise the issues arise. Had another awkward moment during a 3some w my first couple ever. He was paying too much attention to me and she sort of pulled him off. They had some type of agreement I wasn't aware of. But that passed quickly. Was the last time we all hooked up though.....
I've also been pressured into a threesome with a girl I wasn't attracted two. Was a 3 girl deal, and honestly not that attracted to either of them, but my close friend A, well we made out and groped boobies often when drinking, and she's a great kisser, so that was cool. But the other girl was annoying and had really unsightly cellulite.....I kind of let them go at it when it came to the vagina stuff. Just sat on the bleachers and watched.
Yes, we literally had the threesome on the bleachers of a baseball field...at a public park. But at night of course.
rickdugan
12-11-2010, 07:30 PM
She has texted me repeatedly over the last several days to draw me back in, and the truth is that, despite everything, I wanted to see her again. However, due to the well chronicled recent events, this thing has really run its course for me and I am done. I told her today that I am no longer coming into the club and that she should stop texting and calling me.
Now I am, quite ridiculously given my life situation, actually feeling a sense of loss and a little sadness. I actually miss her. I know full well that fostering this feeling of a connection was her job, and no doubt that this comes off as quite pathetic, but there it is.
...I've been enough of a post hog already that I will leave this as my last post on this topic, but feedback on this issue is welcome.
Well, as is obvious from a few recent posts I not only relented, but also lied (not intentionally at the time) about not posting on this topic again.
The good news is that the friend stopped once I put the screws to Sexy Italian's money. The bad news is that it doesn't matter since many of the girls in this club won't come near me anyway, even when Sexy Italian is not working.
However, since the last post in this thread I have ended up in the sack 3-4 times per month with Sexy Italian, which has been fun. I also had the big night out that I detailed in another thread.
But that big night out only happened because she got jammed up at her club and really needed the money. She has also been offering me "lunch meetings" lately, another new phenomenon.
This thing keeps getting wierder. Also, as I get further involved with her I find myself learning, and caring, more about her issues. Such as the fact that she doesn't own a warm coat, or that her little girl is likely to have a thin Christmas this year because things have been tough at the club.
Stupid shit I know but there it is.
Chili Palmer
12-11-2010, 10:42 PM
This thing keeps getting wierder. Also, as I get further involved with her I find myself learning, and caring, more about her issues. Such as the fact that she doesn't own a warm coat, or that her little girl is likely to have a thin Christmas this year because things have been tough at the club.
Stupid shit I know but there it is.
Life is so much easier when it's two dimensional. It's so easy for us as customers to simply view dancers as a means to fulfill certain sexual needs & desires, and for dancers to simply view customers as a breathing ATM machine.
The risk of taking the relationship outside the club, and expanding it from a business (albeit a pleasurable one) transaction into a more personal relationship where you actually get real who/what/why answers means, unless you are a complete sociopath devoid of feelings, you're gonna start to see her as more than simply "Sexy Italian," whether you want to or not. It just means you're a human being. I wouldn't even begin to tell you how to proceed from here; that choice is 100% yours and yours alone.
CP
sadbuttrue
12-11-2010, 10:52 PM
This thing keeps getting wierder. Also, as I get further involved with her I find myself learning, and caring, more about her issues. Such as the fact that she doesn't own a warm coat, or that her little girl is likely to have a thin Christmas this year because things have been tough at the club.
Stupid shit I know but there it is.
Go easy on the funding for the items. I paid for one Christmas twice(!), once in cash and then magically the money did not go to Christmas. Upon revealing this when asking again, I said well let's go shopping and we went and picked out stuff for her boy, whom I had met a number of times. At least this time I made sure the money went to what was said. But this does not mean that many other scams can't be in operation and maybe similar crap with other guys.
Sad