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Athenathefabulous
08-10-2010, 09:41 PM
Athena what are you talking about? The ballers enjoy the back and forth with the ladies who come down here. Don't be defensive. We know you will disagree from time to time...your posts are welcome.
FBR
good to know. :party:
lopaw
08-10-2010, 09:42 PM
you will never know fear until you try to go down stairs without railings in 8 inch stilettos. :no:
Good Lord!
Not without rope-climbing harnesses & a safety helmet!
Kylea2
08-10-2010, 09:43 PM
FBR LOL Agreed, there are a few of them who I think HATE me... yet I keep coming back for the in-depth discussions. We're just enlightening each other to different perspectives.
No need to suppress your comments guys, I already pretty much know who is who. }:D
Athenathefabulous
08-10-2010, 09:43 PM
Good Lord!
Not without rope-climbing harnesses & a safety helmet!
maybe this would help me attract more fetish customers ;).
^Hah lopaw kicks the boys' asses in terms of imagination }:D
FBR
good to know. :party:
They absolutely are :)
FBR
Smokeless
08-10-2010, 11:26 PM
Unfortunately for almost all parties involved, the "balance of power" in denver isnt in the dancers' or customers' favor. its in VCGH's favor. almost completely. I think kylea would agree with this...
I would agree. With a very few exceptions. Shotgun Willie's, but I dislike the smoke. The Bustop, but it's run-down and freaky at times. Nitro. I suspect Nitro's hours and economics didn't work out for you.
Nonetheless, I've read and heard of occasional good experiences at clubs owned by the Evil Empire. I just wish they didn't own nearly all the clubs here. It's unseemly!
rickdugan
08-11-2010, 06:58 AM
why would SCJ be tied to SW if interaction wasnt supposed to take place? ive never seen any reason not to post here, and also there is the obvious fact that most dancers double as customers at some point, some on a regular basis.
i know that some of you like your extras... and i dont think ive spent that much time yelling at you for paying for sex. my main issue here simply is the idea of taking glee in others desperation disturbing. i try to be somewhat fair, and for the most part i dont have anything against the blue side, although i obviously disagree with a lot of what is posted here, and of course there are a few members that i get into arguments with. but thats just what happens when opinionated people gather on a forum to discuss, isnt it?
I think glee is a bit of a strong word for it. I am happy about the shift in the balance of power, but I am no sadist and don't take satisfaction in anyone's suffering.
With all due respect to your time and experience, you are probably too young to have seen the other side of the coin, but at 40 I saw the tail end of the previous SC era and I am (amazingly) a youngster compared to most of the seasoned blues posting here. Like I said before, I dont miss the cons, scams, haughty attitudes, high clubbing expenses, and all of the other crap that made SCs far less enjoyable, IMHO, than they are today.
And count me as another vote for welcoming dancer contributions to blue, even from a dancer that called me something bad in another thread ;)
Casual Observer
08-11-2010, 01:35 PM
Like I said before, I dont miss the cons, scams, haughty attitudes, high clubbing expenses, and all of the other crap that made SCs far less enjoyable, IMHO, than they are today.
I don't think the cons, scams or GPS attitudes of dancers is any less than it used to be--there's always going to be players and the played--but the level of general civility in the club has certainly nosedived. That's what's made clubbing less enjoyable, certainly for me.
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 03:19 PM
There has been a lot of discussion here about changes in the club scene in recent years. I can only describe it as a shift in the balance of power, but of course that may be too simplistic.
When I first started visiting strip joints regularly about 15 years ago they were much more about the show and the tease. Dancers did a lot more poll tricks and other moves than you generally see today and there was more of a playful, teasing and seductive nature to their interactions with patrons.
Things have clearly changed. There is now a sense of desperation and/or aggression from the girls in some of these clubs that never used to exist, and the new crop of dancers, IMO, are often less skilled at the art of seduction and more willing to do things that the last generation of dancers wouldn't do, at least without much $$$ involved. Because of this, you see a lot of waxing nostalgic over the good ol' days.
Now I will readily admit that I also sometimes miss aspects of those days, which I caught the tail end of while I started up in this hobby. But there are a lot of things about those days that I don't miss.
I don't miss the hustle aspect of those days, where in some areas there was so much money chasing the girls that if you weren't spending very large sums of money on a girl then you were nothing more than a club spectator. I also don't miss the blatant scams run by some of the clubs back then, when it could be pulled off with much more ease than today.
Also, back then not only were the girls skilled in the art of seduction, but a % of those girls were also masters in the art of the long con. I saw more then one guy spend himself into bankruptcy chasing the elusive affections of a masterful stripper, where her feelings for him would increase in proportion to his ITC and OTC spending. Cars, jewelry, expensive trips, guys flying in from out of town just to spend time with them, I witnessed a lot more of these things than I would have imagined. I don't miss seeing this either.
The clubs have changed and, with money more scarce, the balance of power has certainly shifted more in favor of the men. I'm just not convinced that all of the changes are so bad.
Its not that hard to understand. Economics. The ever present drive for the almighty buck. Greed.
Lots of various forms of entertainment are becoming increasing more salacious. It brings in the eyeballs, which are attached to the minds that work the hands that reach into wallets. Its cyclic behavior and would require one or more of the groups involved: management, dancers, customers, to say stop - but no one [or not enough anyway] do and the train continues on its tracks.
And I wish people would stop calling things associated with the sex industry "hobbies".
Its a lot of different things, none of which are remotely connected to any actual hobby.
Athenathefabulous
08-11-2010, 03:23 PM
And I wish people would stop calling things associated with the sex industry "hobbies".
Its a lot of different things, none of which are remotely connected to any actual hobby.
lets be fair here. we all know that a large percentage of strip club "hobbyists" dont actually have any other hobbies. at least this way they can pretend to have a hobby that is not their office job or dealing with their wives. }:D
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 03:28 PM
I came on board in the mid 90's so I don't remember what some of you are talking about. To be honest a dancer flirting around with her top and bottom on is not that interesting to me despite her pole skills or whatever. Drilling down to my motivations, I will only spend significant money on a dancer (over time) that I believe I can take OTC in some fashion. I may or may not be successful (my record is not that great) but teasing is not that hot IMO.
FBR
Were you ever about in the really old 'alt.sex.strip-club' days?
If not you would have been well received. These topics were not new to that forum back in the mid-eighties. The only thing that has changed is how much or often.
The things Rick points to are not new news. They've just become more exacerbated. [And I say that even though I am an admitted occasional extra seeker myself, as I really believe strip-clubs ought to be something different from cathouses.]
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 03:41 PM
lets be fair here. we all know that a large percentage of strip club "hobbyists" dont actually have any other hobbies. at least this way they can pretend to have a hobby that is not their office job or dealing with their wives. }:D
Its different for sex workers, its putting bread on the table and has to be treated as a job, but for the guys I've always maintained this shouldn't be anyones sexual meat and potatoes. You can't "live" on anything provided for one by the sex industry, at least not long term.
It is to a diet what fast food is: It can be a quick and satisfying to the palette but its not usually very nutritious.
I know of WAY too many guys who make strip-clubs a staple.
Athenathefabulous
08-11-2010, 03:46 PM
Its different for sex workers, its putting bread on the table and has to be treated as a job, but for the guys I've always maintained this shouldn't be anyones sexual meat and potatoes. You can't "live" on anything provided for one by the sex industry, at least not long term.
It is to a diet what fast food is: It can be a quick and satisfying to the palette but its not usually very nutritious.
I know of WAY too many guys who make strip-clubs a staple.
Lol I was referring to the customers. I was being facetious but i guess my e-humor wasn't obvious enough.
I agree that the term hobby is ridiculous for it. But I find it comical and a pretty good indication of just how much "pathetic" goes into the term "pathetic loser".
Not that I feel that way about all customers, but a lot yes.
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 03:50 PM
Athena what are you talking about? The ballers enjoy the back and forth with the ladies who come down here. Don't be defensive. We know you will disagree from time to time...your posts are welcome.
FBR
You do know that "ballers" are pimps? }:D
Let us be honest. Guys paying cash upfront for sex aren't ballers.
[not that I am claiming there is anything good about being a pimp]
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 04:03 PM
Lol I was referring to the customers. I was being facetious but i guess my e-humor wasn't obvious enough.
I agree that the term hobby is ridiculous for it. But I find it comical and a pretty good indication of just how much "pathetic" goes into the term "pathetic loser".
Not that I feel that way about all customers, but a lot yes.
I picked up on your slant but I was saying it really isn't all that funny. Not when people miss out on other equally - or more so - satisfying parts of life because they've become too involved in commercial sex.
Sex, even commercial sex, is such a great thing IF its handled right. The problem is that so few people seem to be able to keep perspective.
Anyway...
hockeybobby
08-11-2010, 04:11 PM
You do know that "ballers" are pimps? }:D
Let us be honest. Guys paying cash upfront for sex aren't ballers.
[not that I am claiming there is anything good about being a pimp]
"Ballers" I believe is just a short form for "blueballers" which is a nickname for all of us strip club junkies/denizens of the blue basement.
rickdugan
08-11-2010, 04:54 PM
I don't think the cons, scams or GPS attitudes of dancers is any less than it used to be--there's always going to be players and the played--but the level of general civility in the club has certainly nosedived. That's what's made clubbing less enjoyable, certainly for me.
CO, I agree that cons and scams still exist, but IMHO they are less sophisticated today. IMO fewer dancers have the arts of seduction necessary to con a guy into depleting his life savings or spending himself into bankruptcy, but that may be a function of where I normally visit and you may be meeting more gifted women.
I agree that the term hobby is ridiculous for it. But I find it comical and a pretty good indication of just how much "pathetic" goes into the term "pathetic loser".
World English Dictionary
hobby
1. activity pursued in spare time for pleasure or relaxation.
Sounds like an accurate description to me.
Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 05:40 PM
"Ballers" I believe is just a short form for "blueballers" which is a nickname for all of us strip club junkies/denizens of the blue basement.
Oh, OK. Then I stand [well sit, actually] corrected.
Locally out my way the bangers call each other "baller". Originally it meant anyone who played B-Ball at a level that they made big cash out of it [NBA] but it went on to mean anyone 'living large' then morphed into pimp.
Playa - baller - pimp
"Ballers" I believe is just a short form for "blueballers" which is a nickname for all of us strip club junkies/denizens of the blue basement. HB is exactly right. We have our own language and culture down here.
FBR