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mandy216
08-02-2010, 02:29 AM
Well I'm just a lowly stripper but I have zero issues with escorts and would think about getting into it myself if I didn't have a boyfriend that would have a heart attack over it. I have all the respect in the world for any woman who does what she has to do to earn a good living and support her family. Too many women don't even bother to try. Don't let the comments of what seems like one truly ignorant ass affect you. There always has to be one idiot in the bunch unfortunately.

AudrinaN
08-02-2010, 11:48 AM
Well I found the thread and wow, what a ghetto biatch!! LOL "go strangle yourself with your hair.." Classic!


PM to me! LOL



And I think a woman should never be broke. We're too beautiful for that, and as long as men have blood rushing to their penises, we should take advantage of our beauty, bodies....AND BRAINS.
:grouphug:

Harleigh HellKat
08-02-2010, 12:21 PM
Ok so I read moooost of this thread, not all, but most.... And I'd have to say, I LOVE Canada's approach to escorting. Ah to be so free! I like the fact that they seem to protect your rights (like with your bad date.) and that they still look down on street walking, which to me, just seems dangerous... and that you can legitimately file taxes that state what you do. The more I hear about Canada, the more I think it seems like a pretty cool place to live.

Oh and re strippers looking down on other sex work... no bueno. Strippers 'spread their legs' for money just like everyone else. (Looking at the floorwork of many dancers.) There is nudity. There's sexuality. And guys are still going to verbally ASK you to do sexual things. Which means... they think of you on the same level. I hate to say it, but I'm also feeling that, at least in some areas, stripping is dying out as a form of entertainment. It may rise again once the economy has stabilized, but I doubt it will ever be what it was in the 80's/90's again. It's like Melonie said, the rampant ITC extras are a little irreversible. You can't take something and make it more conservative and expect it to work.

Case in point: I worked at a once fully nude club that had limo rides, HIGH contact, and served no alcohol. I began working there when they transitioned to topless, cut out the limo rides (where extras were happening), cut the contact levels, and started selling alcohol. There were literally like 2 customers on a Saturday night!! It was so bad they sold the place.

beckatron
08-04-2010, 01:01 PM
[...]It is not uncommon for girls to charge as little as $60 up here. But most are in the $100-$200 range.
OJenni!, I am also an escort in Canada (Toronto, specifically). I suspect I may even have met you, and the SPOC girls that you're talking about. That having been said, most escorts in Canada are NOT $100-200. Maybe if you're working for an agency and paying out $100/h, but definitely not as an indy. The more reputable low-end girls are charging $160-$220, and the standard agency rate in Toronto is $240-300. Most indy girls in Toronto charge $250-$300+ (Officially I charge $250 base rate on my website, but in practice $400-$600 depending on the client's requests). Most of the ladies I know also use Eros and HATE CL/RedZone, so we may simply know a different sample of people (I used to work at a large agency, and went indy at the beginning of this year).


/threadjack, but useful for anyone coming to Toronto for work.



Escort/dancer rivalry has been around a LONG time. Some dancers look down on what escorts do as 'dirty' or 'slutty'. Some escorts look down on dancers as 'dirty' or 'slutty'. Some dancers think escorts do too much, some escorts think dancers are too public.

If semantics (escort versus hooker, entertainer versus stripper) make you more comfortable with what you do, cool and I'll respect your terminology, but realize it's an interesting self-delusion and not much more.

Call me a pro-ho, escort, call girl, prostitute, courtesan, whore, slut, cunt-for-hire: it doesn't really matter to me. It reflects on your perspective and not who I am. I like my job, I respect the women in my industry, and I make a killing. There's no need to defend or define what a "whore" is - to do that necessarily pre-assumes it's a negative word or concept, and I'm not going to be the girl that uses words with negative associations to put anyone down. We're all selling different aspects of our smart, sexy (and dare I say fabulous!) selves.

That having been said, it sounds like extras girls aren't respecting club boundaries, and aren't respecting the girls they work with - I can completely understand being upset about that. Playing nice and respectfully has made a lot of girls a lot of money, and screwing over other women for a few dollars costs everyone a lot more in the long run.

malayataylor
08-04-2010, 02:56 PM
OJenni!, I am also an escort in Canada (Toronto, specifically). I suspect I may even have met you, and the SPOC girls that you're talking about. That having been said, most escorts in Canada are NOT $100-200. Maybe if you're working for an agency and paying out $100/h, but definitely not as an indy. The more reputable low-end girls are charging $160-$220, and the standard agency rate in Toronto is $240-300. Most indy girls in Toronto charge $250-$300+ (Officially I charge $250 base rate on my website, but in practice $400-$600 depending on the client's requests). Most of the ladies I know also use Eros and HATE CL/RedZone, so we may simply know a different sample of people (I used to work at a large agency, and went indy at the beginning of this year).


/threadjack, but useful for anyone coming to Toronto for work.



Escort/dancer rivalry has been around a LONG time. Some dancers look down on what escorts do as 'dirty' or 'slutty'. Some escorts look down on dancers as 'dirty' or 'slutty'. Some dancers think escorts do too much, some escorts think dancers are too public.

If semantics (escort versus hooker, entertainer versus stripper) make you more comfortable with what you do, cool and I'll respect your terminology, but realize it's an interesting self-delusion and not much more.

Call me a pro-ho, escort, call girl, prostitute, courtesan, whore, slut, cunt-for-hire: it doesn't really matter to me. It reflects on your perspective and not who I am. I like my job, I respect the women in my industry, and I make a killing. There's no need to defend or define what a "whore" is - to do that necessarily pre-assumes it's a negative word or concept, and I'm not going to be the girl that uses words with negative associations to put anyone down. We're all selling different aspects of our smart, sexy (and dare I say fabulous!) selves.

That having been said, it sounds like extras girls aren't respecting club boundaries, and aren't respecting the girls they work with - I can completely understand being upset about that. Playing nice and respectfully has made a lot of girls a lot of money, and screwing over other women for a few dollars costs everyone a lot more in the long run.

Welcome to sw! I like you already :)

Thank you so much for this post!

Harleigh HellKat
08-04-2010, 03:13 PM
I like her already too! And I think I like Canada as well. Soooo how hard is it to get citizenship? :D

If escorting was legal here, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm a chicken though hehe.

malayataylor
08-04-2010, 04:34 PM
I like her already too! And I think I like Canada as well. Soooo how hard is it to get citizenship? :D

If escorting was legal here, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm a chicken though hehe.

Will have to look this up.

Yeah like I always say, Girls always shortchange themselves trying to charge what OR Close to what other girls are charging.. Couldn't do it. I say hey if you feel you're time is worth $600 an hour then that's what you should charge and run with it. You'll be suprise how many guys will take you up on that just because you're not like everyone else.

I will definitely look into Canadian citizenship :D

Austinrox
08-04-2010, 05:49 PM
I like her already too! And I think I like Canada as well. Soooo how hard is it to get citizenship? :D

If escorting was legal here, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm a chicken though hehe.

I think just even getting into Canada now is tough.
I live two hours away from Niagara Falls / Canadian Border, and now NYS DMV is telling NYS residents we now need an "enhanced" driver's license just to cross the border by land or sea now...or a passport. Anyone else know more about this???

Surprise
08-04-2010, 06:11 PM
I think just even getting into Canada now is tough.
I live two hours away from Niagara Falls / Canadian Border, and now NYS DMV is telling NYS residents we now need an "enhanced" driver's license just to cross the border by land or sea now...or a passport. Anyone else know more about this???

yup. every single person i believe has to now have a passport card, which is a cheap passport. it costs about $45, and will let you into canada and mexico, but only if you drive there, not if you fly.

and


I'm guessing people are just nice in Canada

this. no shit. the times i've spent north of the border were the best. everywhere i went in canada, people actually gave two shits about their fellow man. :-\

Miss Jessica
08-04-2010, 06:26 PM
I used to be one of those strippers who "hated" on escorts/whores what not when I was younger. Now I have friends and clients who are escorts/whores. Now I don't give a shit. Do what you do, it's not my business to judge.

beckatron
08-04-2010, 06:51 PM
I say hey if you feel you're time is worth $600 an hour then that's what you should charge and run with it. You'll be suprise how many guys will take you up on that just because you're not like everyone else.
My rates change depending on what the client wants. You want an hour of cuddling and pillow talk? I don't really like that stuff, so $600/h. You want a quickie and out? Okay, $350 sounds fine. You want me to spend 2h doing elaborate makeup and squeezing into a vinyl catsuit? Fine, but $200 per hour of prep time, and $400 for every hour I'm in the damn catsuit... and you're paying for the catsuit as well.



yup. every single person i believe has to now have a passport card, which is a cheap passport. it costs about $45, and will let you into canada and mexico, but only if you drive there
[...]
this. no shit. the times i've spent north of the border were the best. everywhere i went in canada, people actually gave two shits about their fellow man. :-\
And they hold doors, and our police are generally receptive to industry girl's concerns, and pleases and thank yous and... yeah, I love being a Canadian. The industry isn't as taboo here though, so girls charge a little less (LDs are still $20, but full nude/minor contact). Immigrating here is tough and dancing requires licenses... but escorting doesn't! A lot of American girls come up to Niagara Falls/Toronto to work for a week or two, and then head back to the States with a couple extra grand in their pocket.


Miss Jessica, it's really cool that you've opened your mind, much less that you had the guts to post a non-popular opinion on a thread that seems to be mostly pro-escort. Thanks :)

hockeybobby
08-04-2010, 08:29 PM
We can always use more pretty girls up here!! Come to Canada, we're polite, and we're whorefriendly. :)

Tanfan40D
08-06-2010, 11:55 AM
I agree with a lot of what Melonie and Malayataylor have to say. Clearly the business model has changed. BUT, we live in a captilistic and competitive society. Guys are going to spend their money where they get the best BANG for their buck. This is true for plenty of other people working in other businesses as well. They have to compete in an ever changing environment! I think that will always be true. Bottom line. "To thy own self be true!"

Sophia_Starina
08-06-2010, 12:47 PM
And your a stripper.

Fan. Fuckin. Tastic.

Want a prize?



I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that WE are all SEXWORKERS. And I have no problems with folks who do a little more than I am comfortable with... everyone has their spot in the world and if you have no qualms, then I have no qualms.

We can learn from one another. :)

Harleigh HellKat
08-06-2010, 12:55 PM
^I love your avatar by the way. I'm stealing that quote. :D

Sophia_Starina
08-06-2010, 01:10 PM
LOL.... ^^^ It's the simple things that sometimes have the most impact.

Harleigh HellKat
08-06-2010, 01:11 PM
^pun intended...? hehehe

Sophia_Starina
08-06-2010, 01:13 PM
:rotfl: Bwahahahahaha!

Harleigh HellKat
08-06-2010, 01:17 PM
Oh my bad I thought you said little things... like little dick. Meh I tried to make a pun!

Stripper Hacks
08-07-2010, 10:47 AM
Although I would never do it myself I don't have a problem with escorts.

For the record men see sex workers differently than women do.

So yay for the status quo if they can't see the difference.

Burlesque is different than stripping. Peep shows are different than stripping. Gold diggers, GFE's and doms are different than escorts.

Pretty much if a girls wants to do heavy extras why not be an escort instead?

Escorts make their money one way, strippers make their money in another.

malayataylor
08-07-2010, 10:54 AM
Although I would never do it myself I don't have a problem with escorts.

For the record men see sex workers differently than women do.

So yay for the status quo if they can't see the difference.

Burlesque is different than stripping. Peep shows are different than stripping. Gold diggers, GFE's and doms are different than escorts.

Pretty much if a girls wants to do heavy extras why not be an escort instead?

Escorts make their money one way, strippers make their money in another.


GFEs are not escorts? Because I'm GFE .. Can you please explain?

whirlerz
08-07-2010, 11:07 AM
I used to be one of those strippers who "hated" on escorts/whores what not when I was younger. Now I have friends and clients who are escorts/whores. Now I don't give a shit. Do what you do, it's not my business to judge.

Well said!^;)
My take is no matter what you do, someone's going to criticize it!;)

shift_6x
08-07-2010, 12:26 PM
I work in bikini bars..I know no one here who does. Im all alone here I guess. Feel like on another planet of dancing.

beckatron
08-07-2010, 02:24 PM
GFEs are not escorts? Because I'm GFE .. Can you please explain?

Oh, the industry semantics again!

Girl Friend Experience is a service level for an escort, like PSE or SGFE. I've heard girls call themselves a GFE but it's just in reference to their service levels in the industry: it's no different from being a prostitute, it's just a category within it. A GFE isn't separate from being a pro-ho.

Pro-hos (my favourite moniker for prostitute:)) are separate from true escorts who simply accompany guys to events in public, which I think is the distinction Stripper Hacks was making.


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I do think that extras girls should consider escorting, if their extras are at a pro-ho service level. More money, less effort, and most importantly, not pulling money away from other clean* dancers at their club. I don't think you can be a pro-ho and just offer handjobs though - might not go so well. A girl who provides extras but isn't comfortable with full-out sex could also consider being an MPA.



*I hate this clean/dirty phrasing, as it implies being comfortable with providing more makes you 'dirty', and offering fewer services makes you 'clean'. Not completely true.

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PS. Malaya, in Toronto you're not a GFE, you're an SGFE because of CBJ/LFK instead of BBBJ/DFK. Because most of the industry girls here offer BBBJ, SGFE has become it's own category. I feel like I could have an entire conversation in acronyms.

malayataylor
08-07-2010, 05:13 PM
PS. Malaya, in Toronto you're not a GFE, you're an SGFE because of CBJ/LFK instead of BBBJ/DFK. Because most of the industry girls here offer BBBJ, SGFE has become it's own category. I feel like I could have an entire conversation in acronyms.

This makes sense.. Very interesting.

All the other stuff I already knew. I was just shocked at the GFE are not escorts comment. Someone has no clue what they're talking about. #Justsayin

However, I guess I'm also a proho because I offer just social outing packages (dates that occur strictly at public venues) Yes GFE was NOT the correct term for that.

majordon
08-09-2010, 10:14 PM
I also was confused by escorts /= GFE. I don't think that in the States escort means someone who "escorts" you to an event, it means you're offering a P4P encounter that can't be advertised in a literal way. I think GFE reflects a level of service that escorts want to represent because they can charge a higher rate.

Becky, I'll try to have the acronym conversation with you, but I might have to duck out to urbandictionary to make sure I know what I'm talking about I'm willing to learn, maybe even to make a pilgrimage to Canada. Haven't been there in a while and I'm hearing good things!

malayataylor
08-09-2010, 11:18 PM
I also was confused by escorts /= GFE. I don't think that in the States escort means someone who "escorts" you to an event, it means you're offering a P4P encounter that can't be advertised in a literal way. I think GFE reflects a level of service that escorts want to represent because they can charge a higher rate.

Becky, I'll try to have the acronym conversation with you, but I might have to duck out to urbandictionary to make sure I know what I'm talking about I'm willing to learn, maybe even to make a pilgrimage to Canada. Haven't been there in a while and I'm hearing good things!

exactly!

AudrinaN
08-10-2010, 09:14 AM
WOW. My threads dont usually go so far! And I was angry when I made it. LOL I expected drama. Don't see that.
I have nothing to add. :)

threlayer
08-10-2010, 12:40 PM
I have had sugardaddies in the past.. PLENTY and never fucked them! This was when being an escort/dancer/massage girl didn't even cross my mind. I had these guys wrapped around my finger while I strung them along. Will I do it again? Nope I rather just skip the bullshit and get straight to the point. You wanna fuck me? Kool Pay me! The whole sugar daddy/sugar baby phenomenon is too funny to me. It cracks me up that these women actually have sex with these men and consider themselves better than an escort/prostitute.. *sigh* They're just playing themselves and I'm banking off of it!

You have become an HONEST WOMAN.

majordon
08-10-2010, 12:42 PM
Here's a link to a board where they continually go round and round over who should advertise as GFE and what she should do to prove it:

http://www.theotherboard.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17838

It seems the acronym SGFE hasn't made it here yet. Maybe if it did they would be able to communicate better.

malayataylor
08-10-2010, 12:47 PM
You have become an HONEST WOMAN.

Always been :D .. Very unapologetic about my line of work!


Here's a link to a board where they continually go round and round over who should advertise as GFE and what she should do to prove it:



It seems the acronym SGFE hasn't made it here yet. Maybe if it did they would be able to communicate better.

Hey! I'm on this board :-)

I have to admit I have never heard of SGFE .. i'm guessing it's a canadian thing? Dunno

Harleigh HellKat
08-10-2010, 06:12 PM
what does the 's' stand for?

AudrinaN
08-10-2010, 07:19 PM
sexual?

Harleigh HellKat
08-10-2010, 09:30 PM
oh ok. That would make sense I guess.

malayataylor
08-11-2010, 03:42 AM
LMFAO I'm sure the s does not mean sexual.. I'd be shocked if it did.

threlayer
08-11-2010, 08:54 AM
the 's' is short for $, i betcha

malayataylor
08-11-2010, 08:55 AM
the 's' is short for $, i betcha

:rotfl:

AudrinaN
08-11-2010, 09:23 AM
well, it makes sense to me. its gotta be. LOL

Golden_Rule
08-11-2010, 05:17 PM
The 'world' has certainly changed a lot since I first started posting on SW almost 10 years ago. One of the obvious changes has been the increasing difficulty of dancers to earn a decent living by 'just dancing'. This in turn has caused many dancers to 'diversify' their income producing activities ... from providing high mileage / extras in the club to webcam to escorting. And for better or worse this has more or less completed the transition from exotic dancing being 'show business' to exotic dancing being 'sex business' - in the eye of the general public / club customers / law enforcement at least.

Historically and societally that is a bit inaccurate.

Don't confuse the fact that certain burlesque houses in the late 40's and 50's found the occasional man bringing his date for the show to mean it was acceptable behavior "back in the day".

Burlesque was always considered a "sex industry". Even back to the days of the traveling "girlie" shows, usually found on the mid-ways of bigger carnivals, there was always an aspect of prostitution that moved with these shows.

It is more intense today, to be sure, but its increasing an aspect that was always present in this business.

And for the reason that "just plain folks" have always seen and lumped all variations of the sex industry together into one big pile the people involved in it would be a lot better off sticking together to deal with that then trying to decide whose "cleaner" and whose "dirtier".

majordon
08-11-2010, 06:06 PM
The "S" is for Safe.

I didn't know either, that's why I went to Urban Dictionary, and it makes perfect sense in the context of Becky's previous P.S. where the term came into this thread.

Harleigh HellKat
08-11-2010, 07:39 PM
Ah ok. Safe. That's my fave so far.

threlayer
08-17-2010, 01:53 PM
The GFE providers I see advertised I always assumed were safe, at least they say so in the ads. I have very limited experience with this business, but I wouldn't do it any other way. Wanting/providing affection doesn't mean taking risks with one's life.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 02:02 PM
The GFE providers I see advertised I always assumed were safe, at least they say so in the ads. I have very limited experience with this business, but I wouldn't do it any other way. Wanting/providing affection doesn't mean taking risks with one's life.


Sure but there are lot of women that are escorts that are very healthy ;) it's taking a risk but a lot of us know better than to indulge in unsafe acts.

Gfe is girlfriend experience.It means you kiss, That's all. Alot of hobbyists has tried to add their own thing to it saying you kiss AND give bbbj's which is not true. At least for me it's not. I guess that's the great thing about being independent.. doing whatever you want!

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:37 PM
Gfe is girlfriend experience.It means you kiss, That's all. Alot of hobbyists has tried to add their own thing to it saying you kiss AND give bbbj's which is not true. At least for me it's not. I guess that's the great thing about being independent.. doing whatever you want!


The term "GFE" is a useless bit of business.

Its been used by both clients and providers to mean so many different things that it means nothing at all.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 09:37 PM
The term "GFE" is a useless bit of business.

Its been used by both clients and providers to mean so many different things that it means nothing at all.


agree!

femmefatale88
08-19-2010, 11:20 AM
And your a stripper.




Fan. Fuckin. Tastic.

Want a prize?

Ill pay you. Because I can do that,


That is all. End of rant.

So your an escort.

Big. Fuckin. Deal.

Yes I want a prize.

I can use the money.

Oh ya you sound condescending as fuck, I don't think anyone really cares what you do.

jasmine22
09-08-2010, 11:57 PM
I have more respect for escorts and prostitutes than strippers who do that in the club.

1. If the club gets raided, everyone gets in trouble including the clean dancers
2. Exotic dancing is supposed to be just that DANCING. Why come to work and tip out the DJ, the bouncer, pay house fees, tip house mom....ect, when you can work for yourself(not sure how the escort agencies work w taking $$ however).
3. Why would I fuck in a nasty strip club when I could be fucking in a nice hotel?
4. Its not fair to undercut everyone else in the club by selling something illegal and that no one else can really compete with by just dancing
5. A lot of strippers sell sex as cheap as streetwalkers, ive even seen girls do some nasty shit for just $1 on stage.

I spend a lot of time on this forum in the other work section trying to find other ways to make $$$, bc i really dont see it in dancing anymore. The only dancers i know who are seriously banking every night are doing extra shit or have a lot of regulars from years of dancing.

KaylaM
09-17-2010, 12:35 PM
So your an escort.

Big. Fuckin. Deal.

Yes I want a prize.

I can use the money.

Oh ya you sound condescending as fuck, I don't think anyone really cares what you do.

Actually they DO care :)

AudrinaN
09-17-2010, 12:39 PM
So your an escort.

Big. Fuckin. Deal.

Yes I want a prize.

I can use the money.

Oh ya you sound condescending as fuck, I don't think anyone really cares what you do.

You care. This is my thread. Where I say what I do. You opened it. You read it. You posted on it. You care. Go meeeeeee!!! :)

Dddallas
03-28-2012, 12:09 AM
its ashame that strippers cant even call themselves exotic dancers anymore....
but prostitutes really are the ones to blame.
i think thts why there is beef with escorts.

but still....If i guy comes into the club looking for sex...hes not gonna pay said stripper anyway.
prostitutes should never cross into a strippers domain with that bullshit. its a lack of respect for another womans hustle.

but a stripper should never think they are better. SOME strippers are a few hundred dollars short of giving up the goods. some men think if you put a price on being naked, they could put a price to slide up in you.




but anyway thumbs down to the cocky stripper who thinks that they are better.
strippers are the first one in the game to have to hang up there stilettos.

webcammers and escorts are kinda everlasting....lolProstitution didn't kill stripping. First and foremost prostitution came first, 1,000's of years first. Secondly most guys think it's stupid to pay a dancer $160 for four low contact dances ( what I make ) When they can get an escort to come to there house and fuck them for $50 more. ( I off course cost much more but there are a ton of girls that get 200-300 for full sex. It's all about the demand I wish I could make a consistent 1-2k a night in the club but I can't