View Full Version : Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
Bambalina
09-23-2010, 05:59 AM
Bambalina - here's my opinion if you care for it ......
A busy indy style site for girls to use where girls pay a flat rate to be listed is a great idea.( Girls spend much more than 20$ on good traffic if they own their own sites ) . The vast majority of indy sites takes 35-30% of income. I think the problem does not lie with the fact girls are used to the baited hook that it's free up front, but rather the fact they don't pay anything unless there is traffic , it guarantees they don't pay something for nothing . I'm sure if you asked most girls regarding the indy sites they currently work on , if they would rather swap to pay a small advertising fee, they would jump at the chance , because it's sites they know and trust to be busy to make it worth while.
Personally 20$ is nothing , and if I thought it looked like somewhere I could get even one new customer I wouldn't think twice about joining.......
I was just giving my opinion on why I think you're getting the reaction that surprises you with girls not wanting to pay a flat fee. If your site gets busy , I'm sure people will pay much more than 20$ to be listed ;-) . An introductory period could be a worthy investment .
I agree with a lot of what you say. However I do think the "buy now, pay later" model of society is very much to blame for people not wanting to just do cash upfront. Whatever it is that makes it be this way, is kind of a moot point, since I am only a 25% say in the final way the site works. I am getting quite a lot of leeway in suggesting things now, because I "have the ear" of many of YOU, and the girls I work with and the girls I talk to elsewhere and on camsites. So they are interested in what I have to say beyond the share I will be in the business.
One thing to keep in mind is that the women who are early adopters here are going to be rewarded. Because they are the ones who take a chance, the ones who are willing to jump in with both feet. The site will thrive based on their bravery and willingness to try something new. This is how I sold the whole thing to the other principles in this deal. They all realize that this site, if it comes with a TON of high quality traffic and is rolling full steam, there is no WAY the girls then will get a $20 deal. In fact they already have me reined into "Those who start with the site, get the $20 rate for 6 months."...I am working on getting one year.
They suggested they would be willing to do a 4 week introductory free deal, but they would limit it to 50 girls total, and then the starting rate after 6 weeks would be $29.95 per month. I said we could do it so it is the choice of the woman.
See, one problem they have is the opposite end of the one you guys have. They are going to do 50 profile pages for girls who have really invested NOTHING in the success or failure of the site, those pages are a LOT of work, especially 50+ of them. So they are discussing set-up fees, etc.
Let me ask this, if it affected there being an introductory time, how many girls would be willing to provide a gallery of 6 promo pics for the site to use for promotion? The site would obviously model release them as ONLY for use during the opening of the site, and never for sale. At the end of the time, the pics could then be added to your online profile.
There's some thoughts. Play with em'. Also remember down the line, I urged you to take $20 for 6months or a year. :)
B.
AlphaGal
09-23-2010, 07:53 AM
Bambalina.... I have a fantastic camera. Count me in for 6+ photos hunny! LOVE THIS idea. ;)
HUGS!
Juliette25
09-23-2010, 11:35 AM
Fuck yea I'd do promo pics.
ukmissy
09-23-2010, 02:06 PM
Count me in
Bambalina
09-23-2010, 03:51 PM
Ok, so I am throwing this aspect over to them now. I will try to influence it so that the most choice is available.
My mentor (seriously...makes me look like an ignorant rube about promotions and traffic and stuff, which is why I trust this can't fail) says that for him, what makes this interesting is the very nature of designing it with the input of camgirls. But that he is wary of Signing 50 girls for a free trial, and then paying out of pocket for advertising and traffic and so on, and then what is to stop girls from jumping ship the SECOND the free trial is done? He said he'd rather have a slower start-up, but girls we KNOW are throwing an equal amount of trust our way, as we are throwing back to them. If a co-op is going to work, all sides have to take a chance.
So, it will be in their laps and they will consult with me and I will let you know here.
Any other ideas?
I got one yesterday....not here....that was making the listing modular, so if you just want the IndyCam aspect it's $x, if you want to add a store, it adds $5 or $10 if you want to add more we work on those things. But we need ideas for what those things would be.
B.
Juliette25
09-23-2010, 05:08 PM
I got one yesterday....not here....that was making the listing modular, so if you just want the IndyCam aspect it's $x, if you want to add a store, it adds $5 or $10 if you want to add more we work on those things. But we need ideas for what those things would be.
I like it.
I think girls participating in promo stuff with pics/vids should be an ongoing thing.
ArgenAngel
09-24-2010, 04:32 AM
I wanna do it too :O!!!
Bambalina
09-25-2010, 08:40 AM
Got to see a little preview of what they have done so far....Wow!!! SOOOO Exciting. They said it could be up and running soon because they don't have to do the payment processor work.
What payment processors would ladies want to use? AlertPay? Any others out there that would work well for this model of site?
B.
Juliette25
09-25-2010, 11:38 AM
I use Alertpay but from what I understand they keep the buyer's IP addresses hidden so that is not ideal as far as preventing chargebacks. When I emailed them about this they said there are ways for me to collect IP addresses of clients on my site but I don't know how to do that.
KaylaM
09-25-2010, 12:25 PM
.......zombaio?
Bambalina
09-25-2010, 04:10 PM
.......zombaio?
Awesome you guys...thx M, Zombaio never entered my mind, very good one...
We will have every IP, the harder part will be (because you guys think that even a simple "basic account" won't work) correlating IP addresses to people becomes problematic. If we have 600 people digging around at any given time, it would help to know WHO, but that would mean at least basic Auth. That was why I had suggested the "club" idea....absolutely FREE and only use the e-mail for Authentication and correlation to IP. Then when you sell a show, you get their Username, which then gives us Name, e-mail and IP...which means they are ban material.
Sigh, I guess I will stop worrying so much about chargebacks...I really want everything that can be, to be as perfect as possible.
B.
salemsexy
09-25-2010, 05:07 PM
Got to see a little preview of what they have done so far....Wow!!! SOOOO Exciting. They said it could be up and running soon because they don't have to do the payment processor work.
What payment processors would ladies want to use? AlertPay? Any others out there that would work well for this model of site?
B.
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
KaylaM
09-25-2010, 05:18 PM
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
I'm all for the first month free. Great idea. Do it Bambalina. :)
Bambalina
09-25-2010, 05:19 PM
Show u can make ths site work on your own dime first with lots of traffic , allow use to be added for a month for free to prov your traffic then we might be willng to pay per month but dont excecpt upfront money on your hopes and dreams your site will do great that fast!
it's all hype you are talkng. You are a salesman.
Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!
Prof is in the puddng! Stop Talking And start dong..
{Looks around} Are there hidden cameras in here? I'm getting punked right? Ashton Kutcher!!! Get out here....
Who's sig is PACKED with salesman crap? NOT MINE. I have never sold or offered anything for sale here. Not once, not ever. Will I? No...because that is spamming. Might some people from here want to get on the site I'm asking advice about? Well, from the replies so far, it looks like that very well may happen.
I do appreciate the humor whether intended or not, that your posts bring.
If you have any actual ideas to communicate instead of cutting people down and making accusations that are ridiculous, please feel free to contribute, until then, I'm still looking around for Ashton Kutcher.....
B.
PS. Oops..one last thing...I guess you've never owned or opened a REAL website with all original content graphics and so on. Just in case...I'll have you know that the line:
"Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!"
tells me two VERY important facts...Number 1, you don't know about domain names, hiring and paying and supporting web designers who work on your professional site, hosting, etc. So, either way, I'm not going to prove anything to YOU, and if you don;t like it, don't EVER sign up at the site and I promise, I will never cry about the loss...You are exactly the kind of person I don't need on a site based on Adult Entertainer Co-operation and building something together. You obviously don't get it. So be it. Number 2, more importantly, you need your 'i' key fixed.
Have a good evening.
pushit69
09-25-2010, 05:47 PM
Honestly I have no problem paying $20 or $30 per month if there's money to be made on the site. I mean it would take what ? one show to pay for itself.
Way better IMO then giving a site a 30-50%(or more) of your income. TO me that's some highway robbery lol but nonetheless that's how 99% of sites seem to operate.
Juliette25
09-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Honestly I have no problem paying $20 or $30 per month if there's money to be made on the site. I mean it would take what ? one show to pay for itself.
Way better IMO then giving a site a 30-50%(or more) of your income. TO me that's some highway robbery lol but nonetheless that's how 99% of sites seem to operate.
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
salemsexy
09-25-2010, 07:45 PM
{Looks around} Are there hidden cameras in here? I'm getting punked right? Ashton Kutcher!!! Get out here....
Who's sig is PACKED with salesman crap? NOT MINE. I have never sold or offered anything for sale here. Not once, not ever. Will I? No...because that is spamming. Might some people from here want to get on the site I'm asking advice about? Well, from the replies so far, it looks like that very well may happen.
I do appreciate the humor whether intended or not, that your posts bring.
If you have any actual ideas to communicate instead of cutting people down and making accusations that are ridiculous, please feel free to contribute, until then, I'm still looking around for Ashton Kutcher.....
B.
PS. Oops..one last thing...I guess you've never owned or opened a REAL website with all original content graphics and so on. Just in case...I'll have you know that the line:
"Put your own money on the table frst prov you have a fantastc website frst before you start askng for us to pay you!"
tells me two VERY important facts...Number 1, you don't know about domain names, hiring and paying and supporting web designers who work on your professional site, hosting, etc. So, either way, I'm not going to prove anything to YOU, and if you don;t like it, don't EVER sign up at the site and I promise, I will never cry about the loss...You are exactly the kind of person I don't need on a site based on Adult Entertainer Co-operation and building something together. You obviously don't get it. So be it. Number 2, more importantly, you need your 'i' key fixed.
Have a good evening.
Keep talking salesman!
I have been in the adult business since i was 19 and im 28 know! I know some very exp webmasters in this business and your doing nothing but wanting money from girls!
I am not selling anything or asking for money from any of the girls on this board!
I am a cam girl who does have exp in websites! And none of the webmasters have ever asked me to pay to start up there websites!
Again prof is in the pudding alloe the girls to lst for free for a month or two before you charge them and then you will gain trust from us!
But none of the girls here are stupid! And i can promise you that you will find very little amounts of girls who are gong to give you money upfront to pool money togather to make a site work you should start on your own dime!
so keep blowing smoke and i will keep telling you logical facts!
Your ideas are not new! And a website takes more then two months to take off! So salesman stop saying nonsence!
A domain name costs 10.00 buy one and get started!
salemsexy
09-25-2010, 07:52 PM
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
Sure i get his pooling money togather co op point because he does not want to pull money out of his own pocket.
He promises of so much traffic so fast is bull.. none of the big dog websites out there got super large in 2 months or asked models to pay to get started.
He does not even have a site yet and hes talking how great its going to be t's hype and he wants the money, hes not doing this for free in anyway.
There are many good yahoo sites on the net with good traffic and long standing good reps.. any webmaster who is going to ask girls to pay for him to get going does not want to take his own risk of losing hs money if he fails.
I know for a fact most cam girls will not pay to get listed on a new cam site very little will...
salemsexy
09-25-2010, 09:58 PM
Sigh. Ok, last of the negative messages I really want to respond to here. If you truly don;t think it will work, I cannot stop you from posting here, but I'd like to keep the thread MORE about ideas for a workable site, that negative posts which have no real substantial truth or meat to them. I mean it's easy to go "they are trying to rip you off!" without actually thinking about the amount of work necessary to rip off these girls, when doing the site and having it work is JUST AS EASY as what you posit. Did you even think about that? If I have a working site up and running, why the HELL would I ever run away and disappear? And no-one will be asked to give a dime until a working site is up and running and can be demo'd. So your accusations hold no water.
Secondly, you didn't read very well. I said the site would running well enough but the END of the FIRST month (ie before the second month is paid) that it would be obvious that you would do well. In other words, if all the girls make at least enough to pay the $20 and still come out making 75% or more of their money, then going to month 2 is a GOOD INVESTMENT. See?
Again, here we go:
"sounds like a fast way to grab alot of money!"
several weeks or months of R&D, web design, domain and webhosting and start-up costs, plus showing IDs and getting accounts so we can receive this money, all for $1000-$2000. Seriously?
"pile of money"
$20...it is a pile...if we use $1 bills. Also, I completely disagree that asking for 20%-30% is not asking for a pile of money. If a woman makes even $500 in a MONTH on these sites, she is paying them a MINIMUM of $100 of her money..if she is making $1000 we double it, $5000, she's paying $1000 per month!!! That is a HUGE pile of money compared to $20 and the site doesn't take a dime more if you make $100, $5000, or $100,000....No matter what, it's $20 per month. You HONESTLY think percentage deals are better? Wow...
"if your yahoo cam site will be so good you don't need to charge us money to be listed!"
True, because those others who charge you 20%+ are altruistically giving away their services to you free. That 20%? Ignore that..it's just, um, a donation! being charged a percentage of everything you make is never better in my opinion. I think some women will buy it, because they are so USED to the baited hook of "it's free upfront!" that it signals "Good Deal"...
So let's try this...tomorrow Streamate or MFC go to a model of "$20 per day to cam here and you keep 100% of tips and earnings"...Would any of you NOT jump on that? So tell me which is better, a small upfront fee, or a BIG back end that eats your earnings away? Are any of you even going to miss the $20 that is "trying this site for one month"? This is a silly debate.
Lastly:
"Paid traffic is known to be low quality traffic in the first place like traffic holder crap traffic."
This shows me there will be no point in debating this further. Please, go read adult webmaster resources out there. Paid traffic depending on sources, ifs the absolute BEST traffic you can get and converts at 5-10 times ANY OTHER traffic. But that is not even the point here. Because your statement leaves out so much and ignores reality.
If one puts up a web-site, traffic has to come from somewhere. There are two possibilities. Paid sources, and free sources. So what you are saying is that paid traffic (and you don't even say most, or some, you just lump ALL paid traffic together) is low quality traffic, and this then would follow that FREE traffic is High Quality traffic. Because traffic HAS to come FROM somewhere...it is the nature of the World Wide Web. So, the best free traffic comes from the Search Engines, so google started selling those litte ads on the right of the screen, and this is PAID Search Engine traffic.
So where does this great traffic come from that your indy sites use...That is a thread of its own...watch for it.
B.
Keep talking salesman there are many great yahoo cam sites out there and if you think i have no exp and they do not will see how you do!!
keep blowing smoke to girls! any service you are offering is nothing new, nothing better!
your just a wannabe webmaster at this point..
TheBrownFox
09-25-2010, 10:56 PM
Aye-yi-yi! Bambalina was just putting some ideas out there. No one HAS to be on board if they don't want to. I thought we're supposed to be supportive of each other and encouraging. Wishing good luck is the least you can do. :)
Juliette25
09-26-2010, 12:37 AM
I am a cam girl. I am willing to put up $20. I piss $20.
Nope there aren't any sites out there like this... that makes it bad?
You don't have to like it and no one, that includes myself, is mad at you for not liking it. Don't be mad at us because we do lol. You can tell us all I told you so later if you like when we're like "well damn I lost $20 on that deal"... but like I said... I piss $20, fuck it. I think it will work.
Bambalina
09-26-2010, 02:30 AM
Keep talking salesman!
I am not selling anything or asking for money from any of the girls on this board!
Yeah, ok, you just seem to be pushing the sites in your sig. They don't seem to lead to YOUR page, but several pages that this co-op would be in DIRECT competition for. Co-incidence? I don't think so.
Again prof is in the pudding alloe the girls to lst for free for a month or two before you charge them and then you will gain trust from us!
I called my partners and said "Hey, SalemSexy says we gotta do a free months or two!" and they said "Who!?" and I said "You mean she isn't the head of our team?!" and they said "No, Salem Sexy doesn;t have fuck-all to say about how this site is run...You can safely ignore her input, especially because MOST of the girls you're talking to seem to be COMPLETELY in favor of it." and I said, "Okee doke guys! Just making sure!"
Cool huh, how that works?
Also, that last word..."us" requires you to be speaking for all the girls...see, you said "alloe(assuming you meant allow) the girls" and then used 'US'...So, just a quick lesson in English. 'Us' requires two of more people in agreement. You MIGHT have Malaya, but thusfar that seems to be the extent of your support in this thread. So you speaking for the "girls" as "us" might be a bit pre-mature. At this point "the girls" seem to be very excited for me to get this site up and running.
But none of the girls here are stupid! And i can promise you that you will find very little amounts of girls who are gong to give you money upfront to pool money togather to make a site work you should start on your own dime!
Well, since several girls...in fact ALL of the girls actively participating in the thread but you (and possibly Malaya) say they want to participate, and since I already have MANY girls who want to participate from several camsites YOU advertise in your sig, I guess we'll SEE, won't we?
Also, just wanted to point out...Way to insult all the girls on here who think this is a good idea by calling them stupid. You say that those who think this is a good idea are stupid...Nice way to win friends.
so keep blowing smoke and i will keep telling you logical facts!
Your ideas are not new! And a website takes more then two months to take off! So salesman stop saying nonsence!
Your logical facts are a joke, and they are bordering on becoming offensive gibberish that will bring in the mods and make trouble for you.
I never said the website would have 50,000 steady members in 2 months, did I? I never said we'd have skyrocketing attendance in two months...Did I? Where did I say it will "Take Off" in two months? I said within 2 months it will be obvious that it is profitable to the girls involved, so they will not be worried in the least to pay their monthly fee. Period. And I went FURTHER than that, because I said by the end of the first month, they will see enough traffic, shows purchased and activity to be able to make the decision to send the SECOND payment. In other words ONE month. But I never said Take Off...If anything, I hinted at Break even for the girls involved or better. Period.
Lastly, I am a female. I am old enough to deserve some respect and I have posted enough good information here to be treated as such, and not be insulted by the likes of you. So be warned, I am offended by you, or anyone else on here calling me a man to try to tear me down, and the mods said that these spiteful and rude comments won't be tolerated. One more time and I will write them. I specifically offered them to be voice validated as a female, they did not think it necessary. I have not resorted to name calling or rudeness in my responses. You have. You've also invaded a thread that is informative and interesting to several people, JUST to post negative crap and repeat yourself over and over and basically call me a cheat, and a man, and accuse me of selling something when I clearly have never asked a member of this board for one cent. I think you are dangerously close to the line the mods have set.
If you can't tell, in the absence of any REAL information, constructive ideas, constructive criticism, etc. The other people participating don't seem to want you in this thread, and seem to be saying that your posts are not viewed as helpful. So, why not take a hint.
A domain name costs 10.00 buy one and get started!
[Sarcasm ON]
Yes, because insulting all those who done the hard work of truly making a good website from scratch, THAT will get you far here.
Hear that girls?? To make a kick-ass Yahoo Indy site, all you need is to "Buy a Domain and spend $10"
Damn! She caught me out...I should run and hide now because you all figured it out now, that success in this business just requires $10 and a domain name. Darn! I thought I could hide that from everyone!!
[Sarcasm OFF]
Keep posting. Every post you make wins you LESS friends, and brings you one step closer to the mods stepping in. I will continue posting in this thread for information and ideas, and you can continue doing whatever the hell it is you do....
B.
Bambalina
09-26-2010, 03:26 AM
Just to make a quick point.
If someone opened a site and said they would give me something FREE for signing up for free (either money or some valuable prize), I would be wary and make sure others are getting their "prize"...If someone told me, "Hey B, I will get you a job for $20 an hour" (or whatever price I feel is worth it, since $20 an hour is chump change...but you get the idea)anyway "I'll get you a job for $20 an hour, but you have to give me 30% of everything you make forever." I wouldn't ever DREAM of that. However if someone said "I'll get you a job for $20 if you pay me $50 upfront" I would jump at that.
I don't know why that is so hard to see?
Also, and more importantly, is the fact that Salem is calling me names and Malaya seems to think that FREE for a month is fair. Overall, we've wasted days...weeks...on a discussion that could have gone so much further, and the actual argument goes like this.
"I'm going to make a site where I take none of the money you bring in from a customer, so the ONLY way I make money is on your SMALL monthly payment. In return I am going to set up the site, give you all a place to advertise yourselves, set up a webpage for each of you, and truly be responsive to the things you feel you need. In return, you pay $20 per month if you're one of the people willing to jump in at the start. I'm not asking you for money here, nor am I advertising this here, because it is in the creation stage. Do you think this is a good idea?"
...many supportive comments and helpful suggestions...
Voice of dissent:
"Hey! Wait! Ladies! They want to be paid for working for us! They aren't just going to take 30% of our wages FOREVER like everyone else! They want to get PAID something!"
Me: "Absolutely true. Setting up a website and buying the domain and hosting, as well advertising, costs money, and so we are going to charge a nominal fee to be listed and get traffic and be able to link your website and so on AS WELL as selling shows, which is the real purpose of the site, and in fact we'll guarantee a minimum of 25% of ALL money goes to traffic and advertising."
Voice of Dissent: "Scam! SalesMAN! Don't buy it girls! There's TONS of sites out there for FREE! (well, yeah, they take 30% of EVERYTHING YOU MAKE EVER but we won't go into that)."
Me: "There isn't even a site yet. I'm not selling anything, just trying to get ideas and bounce a new concept around."
VOD:
"You can't fool me Salesman!!! I see though your tricky ways of offering flat rate service for something they take 30% for now!! You sneaky sneaky MAN!"
Me: "Sigh..."
Now, that is the main and most disrespectful Voice of Dissent. This part is NOT aimed in any way at Malaya. She gets the next part.
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Malaya:
Let me ask, can you show me ONE site that does Yahoo listings for women, that ever gave their services away completely free with NO income for one month? We're talking, they didn't take percentages or upfront money or ANYTHING... They did work for a full month for FREE and never collected a cent on it. Show them to me, because I want to congratulate them.
THAT is what you are asking for Malaya. Can you show me ONE business that does that?
So why should this one? Because YOU are afraid of paying upfront?
A co-op needs to pay for itself an provide a small income for those who set it up and run the day to day and upkeep it. THAT is how this is set up. This will never be a million dollar website for anyone involved. Do you realize that?
Lets say after 3 months we have 150 paying ladies who are listed. and Lets further say that only 75 (we're going between 50 and 100) started the $20 deal, the rest are paying $39.95. This averages to 29 and change...after the 25% advertising and traffic guarantee, that comes out to $3375 per month. $379 per month for a server and bandwidth, $500 per month for web programmers to keep things bug free and keep everything running to perfection (fingers crossed). Grand total, under best circumstance, $2500. This is for 3 people to split. Per month.
So who wins on this board? The greedy money raking owners? No...the girls. 100% win.
Anyone left complaining now? If so...whatever...because it's ridiculous. The two people who are making this happen are doing so because they love the industry and want to make changes happen, and because they love me. That's it. It isn't a big money making project for them, and if it gets TOO burdensome they will drop it.
So, that is why they aren't going to do a Free Trial without making it MUCH more burdensome on the girls, and guess what? I'm not going to suggest it because you (Malaya) and some disrespectful, negative, person (salem) come in and say they think it should be that way. Not gonna happen.
And I strongly urge those who truly believe that a small upfront fee to be on a good site with good folks who believe in this industry is REALLY unfair or a rip-off, well, when the site actually comes to be...vote with your money and your feet, and run the other way. The visionary folks who really do want this industry to be better and are willing to risk a measly $20 to see if it can help, will be there.
If you can't see the logic and vision. Read it carefulluy here... We. Don't. Want. You.
Thanks.
B.
KaylaM
09-26-2010, 04:08 AM
Agreed.
You have to realize that this would be a co-op. If you don't understand what a co-op is, then look up the meaning. There are not indy cam girl co-ops out there right now, only the "free" listing sites that aren't really free 'cause they take a percentage of your earnings, and they don't strive to have the kind of traffic that the admins of this site would strive to obtain.
How's that for a run-on sentence? :P
Yes there are ;) I've already posted them on HERE long time :)
KaylaM
09-26-2010, 04:23 AM
Malaya:
Let me ask, can you show me ONE site that does Yahoo listings for women, that ever gave their services away completely free with NO income for one month? We're talking, they didn't take percentages or upfront money or ANYTHING... They did work for a full month for FREE and never collected a cent on it. Show them to me, because I want to congratulate them.
THAT is what you are asking for Malaya. Can you show me ONE business that does that?
So why should this one? Because YOU are afraid of paying upfront?
Bambalina, I am not planning to list on your site or any indy site again for that matter. I am not camming right now. I have other business .. you are already aware of this.
I was not speaking for myself. Of course I can afford your $20-$30 a month what is that when I spend over $350 on escort ads each and every month? Please don't forget this. So just for the record: I am not "afraid" of paying upfront. ;)
All I was saying is... Since this service is going to be SO GREAT why not offer the first month free or even 2 weeks free? I don't know why you think it's a stupid idea. Businesses do this all the time... Yes. They. Do. :)
I suggested this since some people were doubting you and your service. Me? Eh I am not doubting you .. you are very smart. Honestly I would like to see the site myself and would LOVE to read the reviews from the other girls using the site. So yes it was just a suggestion.
I think it would be an interesting service... that is, if all you are saying is true. However, I don't see why it wouldn't be.
A co-op needs to pay for itself an provide a small income for those who set it up and run the day to day and upkeep it. THAT is how this is set up. This will never be a million dollar website for anyone involved. Do you realize that?
I know this dear.
Lets say after 3 months we have 150 paying ladies who are listed. and Lets further say that only 75 (we're going between 50 and 100) started the $20 deal, the rest are paying $39.95. This averages to 29 and change...after the 25% advertising and traffic guarantee, that comes out to $3375 per month. $379 per month for a server and bandwidth, $500 per month for web programmers to keep things bug free and keep everything running to perfection (fingers crossed). Grand total, under best circumstance, $2500. This is for 3 people to split. Per month.
I understand this....
So who wins on this board? The greedy money raking owners? No...the girls. 100% win.
So it seems.
Anyone left complaining now? If so...whatever...because it's ridiculous. The two people who are making this happen are doing so because they love the industry and want to make changes happen, and because they love me. That's it. It isn't a big money making project for them, and if it gets TOO burdensome they will drop it.
Understandable.
So, that is why they aren't going to do a Free Trial without making it MUCH more burdensome on the girls, and guess what? I'm not going to suggest it because you (Malaya) and some disrespectful, negative, person (salem) come in and say they think it should be that way. Not gonna happen.
I don't think it should be that way. It was merely a suggestion. I don't know why you're jumping down salemsexy's throat. She's not selling anything and NO Salemsexy, Bambalina's not selling anything BUT I DO see where salemsexy is coming from where she suggested a free trial. What is a free trial if your service is going to be soo amazing? Bambalina, I'd pay $80 a month to be on your site but I don't need it. Money is not a problem for me. I have been a camgirl long enough to know a good indy ran site is a true gold mine!
And I strongly urge those who truly believe that a small upfront fee to be on a good site with good folks who believe in this industry is REALLY unfair or a rip-off, well, when the site actually comes to be...vote with your money and your feet, and run the other way. The visionary folks who really do want this industry to be better and are willing to risk a measly $20 to see if it can help, will be there.
*sigh* I've already explained myself.
If you can't see the logic and vision. Read it carefulluy here... We. Don't. Want. You.
I don't want to be on the site. I don't need your site. It was just a suggestion... why the hostility Bambalina?
Bambalina
09-26-2010, 05:23 AM
I don't think it should be that way.
Glad you said that, for the record. :)
It was merely a suggestion. I don't know why you're jumping down salemsexy's throat.
Um, overall, I don't feel I jumped down Salem's throat. I feel that we're involved in a thread here that is 100% friendly and idea based. I have not attempted to sell things here, as there is not yet anything TO sell. I have given my ideas and what I will suggest to those actually programming the site for the web. Everything has been wonderful and discussion was great, including the constructive criticism.
Then Salem comes along and I am being called out as a scammer who is going to take the money and run. How would you react Malaya if that charge were thrown your way? I mean if someone directly said that something you were involved in and helping set up was a scam to steal money? Would you consider that hostile and unfair?
"a very easy way for some new site to come into the business and grab 50 models cash real fast and then disapear of the planet.."
Is this a fair way to throw hyperbole and rhetoric at a person when you have nothing to back up those statements and (as I prove) they are ridiculous anyway, since doing this to STEAL $1000 would be an EXTREMELY poor Return on Investment, especially when it forever destroys my credibility. So, yes, I take accusations like that seriously.
Don't you?
I am then accused of selling things here, when I have not done so...got called a man, when I have repeatedly offered to be validated as female, and generally had a very nice discussion de-railed by someone who really has offered nothing new, useful or even welcome by the other folks in the discussion.
Sure, I feel like this is not about substance, but about some back-handed attempt to shit-stir. Since no-one else has used insults here, and I have NEVER started anything with this person, or given cause to be called a scammer.
Wouldn't that bother you? I think i have seen in the past, you get upset with others for much less than having your basic honesty called into question. Honesty and integrity are all we have in this world. So I assume you can understand why this is a bit burdensome.
What is a free trial if your service is going to be soo amazing?
It may make the difference between the success and failure...It may cause the principles to walk away if they feel that the women cannot take at least SOME chance, to make a Co-operative effort happen.
I don't want to be on the site. I don't need your site. It was just a suggestion... why the hostility Bambalina?
If you personally felt hostility toward YOU. I sincerely and deeply apologize with no equivocation. There was NO offense or hostility meant toward you and if I gave offense, yet again I am sorry. I do not feel you have offered anything to this discussion that would deserve even the slightest bit of hostility.
What you may have taken as hostility is the way I said "We. Don't. Want. You."...If so, let me state that this is a statement of truth with no hostile intent. Promise. It is just an "is" statement. Hopefully designed to clearly express that repeatedly posting the same things (as Salem has done), which don't clearly address a need or a suggestions or a true criticism of the service, is not necessary. We get it. She thinks that I am over-hyping the site and that it won't be worth paying $20 one time for a full month of having a good link and webpage, if not for any shows you might get. I see this. I think everyone has seen it. So to re-post it again and again is just hi-jacking the thread and obscuring the good work that is getting done.
So, Salem, FINE. If you feel that way, I have no problem that you posted your viewpoint and told others how you feel, and if some people are convinced of it, then that is also fine. There are thousands and thousands and thousands of camgirls in the world. So, if you don;t want to play nice, We. Don't. Want. You.
That was all I was trying to say.
No rudeness, no nastiness, and especially no hostility thrown you way Malaya, because you've done nothing to deserve any.
B.
AlphaGal
09-26-2010, 06:35 AM
Bambalina is a MAN!!Because chick has to strap on a pair of balls to just get a word out SW.
WTF!!!???
@ Bambalina, thank you for posting....
Ignore all this negative crap. Let's get backto business!
@Haters, if you don't like what she's saying, go post another thread sharing your views, and a website that you are apart of. Because personally, I really don't want to read it in THIS thread.
So....question??? What type of clientle would you be aiming for with this site? Would it be a type of "Streamate" Something for everyone? Or, would the model be able to aim for her choices/fetishes?
HUGS!
KaylaM
09-26-2010, 06:58 AM
:wave: *leaves thread*
Bambalina
09-26-2010, 08:26 AM
Bambalina is a MAN!!Because chick has to strap on a pair of balls to just get a word out SW.
WTF!!!???
@ Bambalina, thank you for posting....
Ignore all this negative crap. Let's get backto business!
@Haters, if you don't like what she's saying, go post another thread sharing your views, and a website that you are apart of. Because personally, I really don't want to read it in THIS thread.
So....question??? What type of clientle would you be aiming for with this site? Would it be a type of "Streamate" Something for everyone? Or, would the model be able to aim for her choices/fetishes?
HUGS!
Overall, the way I see it, we can contour traffic based on what we have, and the way we'll do the "webpages" for each girl will be so they are targeted easily by URL. ie this way we can actually do targeted traffic directly to your page based on niche or fetish. Generally, I think the overall page should start with traffic that is basically webcam client general...ie people who were/are coming to find webcam girls. From there, as we end up with enough Dommes we can bring in bondage traffic, once we have enough feet, we can bring in foot traffic. Etc. If you know the ways of the force, we can bring in whatever traffic we want. Also, I would recommend that once things get rolling at ALL, we try to get all the women who are willing to, to do 2 short vids...one for themSELVES and one for the site as a whole, they can even do a clean version for Youtube and the like, and a dirty version for Redtube and the like. This way you have people coming generally to the site because your vids and others coming specifically to YOUR page because of vids. True co-operative effort. But the Specific YOU vids can be VERY niche and fetish oriented...
Anyway, I'm off to drive down to Orlando for 7 days....I'll be on while I'm there, but for today, I'm on the road again....
B.
TheBrownFox
09-26-2010, 12:15 PM
WTF!!!???
@ Bambalina, thank you for posting....
Ignore all this negative crap. Let's get backto business!
@Haters, if you don't like what she's saying, go post another thread sharing your views, and a website that you are apart of. Because personally, I really don't want to read it in THIS thread.
Yeah, what she said.
No disrespect to the mods here, but on this other forum I post on (with models, photographers, etc.) the mods wouldn't have tolerated half the stuff that's been going on here lately. Threads get locked, and out-of-line members get sent to "the brig" or banned permanently. Pretty crazy to witness the way some ADULTS behave on the internet.
Anyway, I don't post in all of the threads on here (sometimes I'll just read without commenting), but I usually find Bambalina's posts interesting and informative. 8)
BustyAmeera
09-26-2010, 01:32 PM
I think I also wouldn't mind paying $20 to $30 to be featured if it will generate a good profit. After all, it does take money to make money. I wouldn't say Bambalina is trying to con people into joining a site, and then running off with the money. If Salem feels that's what it is then so be it. She is entitled to that. 20 to 30 bucks is nothing to advertise yourself. It takes a lot more than that for advertising and promotions. Not everyone knows this, so let's just try to remember that. I don't think Salem meant harm at all.
Anyway, I didn't read each and every post on this thread. Is free chat going to be on this site? I don't mind free chat, but good lord it is a lot of work involved talking to pple for "free" I do have to admit that it helps me to get more business, and I ONLY go in free chat when I am in a good or decent enough to fake it mood, if you know what I mean? haha!
How about also having the owner actually respect the fact that the models play a HUGE part in bringing money to the table?
Bambalina
09-27-2010, 07:04 AM
THAT Busty, is exactly what this site IS about. Respecting the models and allowing them to keep their money.
Free chat is not part of the model here. This is an indy cam site, where you can list yourself, but it will allow you to use your own payment processor, thus allowing you to KEEP 100% of what you earn. Since you are camming using Skype or Yahoo or MSN or whatever, The amount of time you spend arranging the shows is up to you. This site will be ABOUT bringing models guys who want shows and are willing to pay for them. Obviously, there are some time-wasters in every indy site (and EVERY cam site for that matter) but we intend to work to even cut THAT down.
See, this is why I once again offer that a simple username/handle system presented as a club, would REALLY help, since we could rate the guys based on length of shows, whether they are yahoo time wasters, etc. As well as banning anyone who ever does a chargeback. If you guys truly think presenting it as a club (no credit cards, no money required) would kill it, we are left with very little we can do to increase your security, and your knowledge of who the heck you're dealing with as they come ask for a show.
Anyway, if you guys have other ideas as far as the "time waster" factor, and cutting down on it severely, please, let me know.
B.
PS. In Orlando...damn truck blew its ignition switch and we had to find a tow company that could tow a 5th wheel HOUSE....at 10pm on Sunday...Grrr...But it's fine...here now and have to find the part.
BustyAmeera
09-27-2010, 07:10 AM
The time waster is a huge issue for a lot of us. I get so mad at them guys sometimes. They think we might meet or date them. I hate being asked if I'm married or not, or if I would consider going out on a date. That just annoys me to no end. It would be good to cut back on the time wasters, somehow.
pushit69
09-27-2010, 08:31 AM
what's the time frame for the completion of the site Bambalina?2-3 months? or less? :)
Juliette25
09-27-2010, 01:32 PM
The username thing would probably be for the best.
Bambalina
09-27-2010, 07:06 PM
The time waster is a huge issue for a lot of us. I get so mad at them guys sometimes. They think we might meet or date them. I hate being asked if I'm married or not, or if I would consider going out on a date. That just annoys me to no end. It would be good to cut back on the time wasters, somehow.
I think a page for the guys would be good, with a list of tips for contacting the girls. Suggestions and such.
I think we could cut down on some of the timewasting that way.
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Time frame to site completion is within 1 month if all goes well.
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Well, they said they can do it as a module....So we can have the usernames and if it fails, we remove it...
B.
Juliette25
09-28-2010, 12:22 AM
Very exciting!! I'm looking forward to this.
amcut
09-29-2010, 11:08 PM
I think it's a great concept. 20 dollars is incredibly low risk. ....
I'm wondering about the username reviews and the difficulty of implementing a system like that while keeping the site simple and clean.... also, wouldn't it be a nice piece of positive reinforcement if performer reviews of the custie were visible to him.
That way he can feel beloved and encouraged to be a good boy?
Bambalina
10-11-2010, 10:50 PM
Likely to be opening in November...I want to say November 1st, but I think, as usual, with more complex sites, it will be late....
B.
Juliette25
10-12-2010, 10:12 AM
Awesome!! I'm still down!
la petite sexy
11-15-2010, 01:54 AM
Soooo what's the word? I would definately be down to try this out.
jazebelle89
11-15-2010, 03:25 AM
where is bambalina?
TheBrownFox
11-15-2010, 10:59 AM
where is bambalina?
Good question. I enjoyed her posts.
Bambalina
11-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Hi,
I love y'all too...The site is still very much in the works, and as is usual with such things suffered some drama. I am also now working with investors on a new cam site which will take the best of a few camsites out there, combine it with some new ideas, and give us something that women can feel appreciated on. So, hold onto your socks ladies, looks like we're going to be having fun!
B
MissEgo
11-27-2010, 05:01 PM
Alright, I've skipped over a few of the posts in this thread. Some things I like on other sites, or would like to see...
I like each girl having her own "page" by username.
Promo photos sound like a good idea to get traffic to your site.
Could you set up a gallery like mygirlfund has? Each girl uploads her own photos into two folders - public, and private. She can send her private photos to guys, but the photos are protected (somehow) so that the guy can't copy or save it, it's only viewable on the site. I *really* like that feature.
Maybe give the first xx girls a discount on price or something? I know the site needs to make money to get going, but perhaps you could do something such as... the first 50 girls that sign up get a 25% discount? Or... SW ladies get a discount? :P That being said, I'd pay $20 to get listed.
ChatGF
11-27-2010, 05:55 PM
I know someone here dislike that cam site owners like me read the forum and post, but forgive me here I am posting again :)
I made myself big errors in first sites I had setup, and it was even easier at that time as mfc not existed, jasmin and streamate was small things.
First of all I would suggest you have automatic system to let pay and make appointments or you end up in the mess of yahoo and skype and pay ways, why the model should do by hand what a program can do in automatic? Isnot the software that take 60% of what user pay, it is the traffic seller. Girl get 35% only? who send traffic get the same, site gets little always, do your math. Don't save in site software, the issue is traffic.
But let me quote this:
That being said, I'd pay $20 to get listed.
If you are a cam girl, it is more useful to flash naked for free a little, than to pay money. Mfc buy less traffic than other sites because have lots of nude and sex shows free, so guys stick there on their own, for free. So mfc can pay more % the girls too.
If I was a bunch of models who want to do their site, I would have someone showing nude or more there already, and others just listed. That's WAY MORE INTERESTING than just a listing with nothing free.
But not many showing nude free as is mfc, is that's too much free and competition between girls really. Just advertising that cost no $$ to girls only time.
Yes I know I am telling you put a small MFC on top of your listing, but we're nearly in 2011 and to catch guys you need give something free and full in home page, or they close page as soon as land and see there's nothing free to see. If there's free hot stuff they keep there, and maybe bookmark, then return and finally buy something.
My 2 cents (of euro)
MissEgo
11-27-2010, 07:22 PM
^^ That's what the promo photos would be for, I'd imagine!
Gabrielle_xoxo
11-28-2010, 05:56 AM
I think it sounds like a great idea! I'd try it...why not? If this were the only $20 I wasted in one month...I'd consider it a REALLY good month, lol! If it turned out not to be wasted...I'd feel as if I'd hit the jackpot!
I'm not an experienced camgirl...far from it. But to pay a monthly fee instead of being bled to death by a camsite taking such a high percentage....why not at least try it out? You can count me in B!
salemsexy
11-29-2010, 06:36 PM
LOL even though I have the money I also wouldn't pay to be listed on a listing site that's like paying to work and wtf is that? Please! Any listing site that charges to be listed to me is a scam. You're better off just taking a percentage out of the girl's earning or make your money marketing other sites on YOUR listing site. Just a suggestion.
Damm right, thats how i feel too!! And most exp cam girls will agree on that!
salemsexy
11-29-2010, 06:49 PM
you are a lot of big talk no action...
Start off spending your own money for traffic! Let girls list for free for a few months before you ask for cash upfront to test your site.
Prof is in the pudding my friend!
I would rather list myself at any other site for free then pay upfront.
I am not going to buy a car without a test drive cause the salesman tells me it's a good damm car!! Thats foolish.
I also have no problem with sharing in some % with cam sites who bring me good paychecks. It's a win win no risk.
not going to risk money with a site who wants to take my money and pay for ads to make traffic after the fact!!
No thanks