View Full Version : Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?
salemsexy
11-29-2010, 07:33 PM
Yeah, ok, you just seem to be pushing the sites in your sig. They don't seem to lead to YOUR page, but several pages that this co-op would be in DIRECT competition for. Co-incidence? I don't think so.
I called my partners and said "Hey, SalemSexy says we gotta do a free months or two!" and they said "Who!?" and I said "You mean she isn't the head of our team?!" and they said "No, Salem Sexy doesn;t have fuck-all to say about how this site is run...You can safely ignore her input, especially because MOST of the girls you're talking to seem to be COMPLETELY in favor of it." and I said, "Okee doke guys! Just making sure!"
Cool huh, how that works?
Also, that last word..."us" requires you to be speaking for all the girls...see, you said "alloe(assuming you meant allow) the girls" and then used 'US'...So, just a quick lesson in English. 'Us' requires two of more people in agreement. You MIGHT have Malaya, but thusfar that seems to be the extent of your support in this thread. So you speaking for the "girls" as "us" might be a bit pre-mature. At this point "the girls" seem to be very excited for me to get this site up and running.
Well, since several girls...in fact ALL of the girls actively participating in the thread but you (and possibly Malaya) say they want to participate, and since I already have MANY girls who want to participate from several camsites YOU advertise in your sig, I guess we'll SEE, won't we?
Also, just wanted to point out...Way to insult all the girls on here who think this is a good idea by calling them stupid. You say that those who think this is a good idea are stupid...Nice way to win friends.
Your logical facts are a joke, and they are bordering on becoming offensive gibberish that will bring in the mods and make trouble for you.
I never said the website would have 50,000 steady members in 2 months, did I? I never said we'd have skyrocketing attendance in two months...Did I? Where did I say it will "Take Off" in two months? I said within 2 months it will be obvious that it is profitable to the girls involved, so they will not be worried in the least to pay their monthly fee. Period. And I went FURTHER than that, because I said by the end of the first month, they will see enough traffic, shows purchased and activity to be able to make the decision to send the SECOND payment. In other words ONE month. But I never said Take Off...If anything, I hinted at Break even for the girls involved or better. Period.
Lastly, I am a female. I am old enough to deserve some respect and I have posted enough good information here to be treated as such, and not be insulted by the likes of you. So be warned, I am offended by you, or anyone else on here calling me a man to try to tear me down, and the mods said that these spiteful and rude comments won't be tolerated. One more time and I will write them. I specifically offered them to be voice validated as a female, they did not think it necessary. I have not resorted to name calling or rudeness in my responses. You have. You've also invaded a thread that is informative and interesting to several people, JUST to post negative crap and repeat yourself over and over and basically call me a cheat, and a man, and accuse me of selling something when I clearly have never asked a member of this board for one cent. I think you are dangerously close to the line the mods have set.
If you can't tell, in the absence of any REAL information, constructive ideas, constructive criticism, etc. The other people participating don't seem to want you in this thread, and seem to be saying that your posts are not viewed as helpful. So, why not take a hint.
[Sarcasm ON]
Yes, because insulting all those who done the hard work of truly making a good website from scratch, THAT will get you far here.
Hear that girls?? To make a kick-ass Yahoo Indy site, all you need is to "Buy a Domain and spend $10"
Damn! She caught me out...I should run and hide now because you all figured it out now, that success in this business just requires $10 and a domain name. Darn! I thought I could hide that from everyone!!
[Sarcasm OFF]
Keep posting. Every post you make wins you LESS friends, and brings you one step closer to the mods stepping in. I will continue posting in this thread for information and ideas, and you can continue doing whatever the hell it is you do....
B.
I have posted many things very helpful to the other cam girls and dancers in the same business as me.
I having been a dancer/cam girl for years and seen many sites come and go.
I have fallen pry to scams myself and had sites just go out of business and not pay me.
I have been promised many things in my less exp years in this business and givien money out and lost it.
I will allways give my 2 cents to the other cam models if i feel from my exp something sounds off.
I have been there and done that.
I understand there are certain cam models who want to try new things and ideas but on the same note if i think there going to try something that might take there money or hurt them yes i speak up!
It's ok if you dont like what i have said thats fine but thats not going to stop me from posting to the girls what could happen and why I feel that way.
Again 8 years exp as a cam model, been there and done many sites, had a good amount of my own personal sites and I have worked for all most every cam site on the net, I have accounts all over and i know good sites and website owners from bad ones..
I truly feel you sound to much like a sales person. And in this day and age of net scams I feel asking models to pay upfront could be a great one..
Sure maybe you have no intention of running off but let's be honest here who knows?????? Sites have done it and do itm fly by night sites come in and out of business all the time.
A new webmaster thinks he or she can come into this business with this great idea and beat everyone else's idea and that they will be the best right?
3 months later there stressed and close the site down cause the cold hard fact was websites take time to grow and mature and alot of hard work.
It's very rare that a site is kickng ass inside 3 months so people just close down.. I know alot more then you think! Cam model or not stripper or not none of that makes me stupid. I have alot of exp when it comes to the adult business and I am really just trying look out for other cam girls..
Nothing more..
I really do feel you should have a 3 month free trial if this is going to be a honest website....
And by the way my name is Pink and my website is www.pinkislive.com (http://www.pinkislive.com) since you seem to want my face and website address.. Lets go a step farther here is my yahoo catsplay26 feel free to send me a message anytime!
As for my sig I post a few good places that make me good money and I have been able to trust same as many other girls do..
As for my spelling and grammer lol was never my best subject in school not my strong point! However math and money is :) go figure what i do for a living!!!
Talk later...
Good luck hun
PrincessJenny
11-29-2010, 07:59 PM
I think the moon passed me 3 times while trying to read this thread :D and I had to skip some posts, sorry if its been mentioned before but to put some people nerves/thoughts at ease it may be a good idea to post a simple business plan. eg let the performers know exactly where the 20$ is going to.
Unless its done to nearly perfect timing the chances are the first few months wont see any real return (hopefully enough to cover the 20$) though and as always there a very high risk of closure.
But I sincerely hope things go well for this. As some may know im in the process of getting things ready to allow for a US wire transfers and an online CC option for performers to use (5% fee only with daily pay as normal, far better than anything else that exists) so when that is complete I would like to offer the service for your members aswell.
Means they wont have to use paypal/alertpay/ i pay and all those other high fee'd processors.
Im not great with anything but money, although if you need any help/input or maybe a partnership for payments then im here :D
(ps, no idea if payment methods have been covered in this either yet :D )
salemsexy
11-29-2010, 08:09 PM
Several good tutorials here about Indy work.
Generally, Indy work involves using your own IM platforms (yahoo, skype (most popular at the moment), Live, and some older ones like camfrog or ICQ pop up from time to time. Most indy sites out there allow you to list with them, and they take 20%-30% for this. They pay you, because they want control and to be able to take their percentage out, and most of them still pass chargebacks on to you. So the advantages over NOT using them are minimal, except that they, by virtue of having 100 or 1000 or whatever # girls registered, get lots more traffic than you do on a solo site. So I kickstarted the process to get a site going that accomplishes this while ONLY providing the services we NEED.
Malaya actually inspired this work from me in many ways, and I give her credit for that.
Since I am working with people that I know can get a site MAJOR traffic, I personally think that if they need $15-$18 per girl to be profitable and make it worthwhile, then WE really need to think about doing the smart thing and getting them to buy more bandwidth and traffic to the point of saturation, but this would require a level of co-operation that I cannot fathom in THIS business, where the owner of the site has to come to just to get peace, much less a co-op that could change camming forever.
:)
B.
You seem to bash indy sites and why????? you say they take 20 to 30% right??????
Ok well lets start with this they allow you to list for free with no risk.
they pay for traffic for you to get shows you would not have had without them and they pay a hell of alot more then per min sites witch seem to pay 30 to 35%!
so what your making it seem is the idy sites out there are no good or care about there girls? And all they want is control?
thats the impression you are giving..
The fact is simple the more indy cam sites us girls are own the more chance of yahoo shows we get and the more money we make each week.
Without those sites we would be stuck only working per min sites at there very low %'s..
I am happy for every yahoo indy site out on the net as they bring me alot of extra money and customers i would not have had.
sure each one varies in % but by a very small amount..
the control you are talking about might be maybe that they ask you to do them one simple small respect factor of not sending there hard earned traffic to other places to pay right?
I would not call that control. I would call that business..
For every one of us cam girls who need to make a paycheck the site owner also needs to make a paycheck to stay in business so we can in return keep making a check.
I feel the indy sites i work for ask very little of me and there cam models , giving them simple respect to be listed on there site is sure fine with me.
I would hate to be stuck only working on per min sites for 35% all the time so i am greatful for each yahoo indy site out there.
I just feel your comments towards other yahoo indy sites are kinda uncalled for as if they do nothing for us and they should make no money at the end of the day..
when you are talking a nother 500 to 1000 a week thats nothing to bitch about. Better then a big fat 0.
I work them all and i see alot more money in my bank account then when i did not work them! So Im cool with them making some of my money they brought me in the first place...
CHARGEBACKS?
I have not had one charge back from any indy yahoo site i work for yet so not sure why you think thats happening alot..
Gabrielle_xoxo
11-30-2010, 06:00 AM
Thank you salemsexy for taking a huge chunk of your time to post all of that, just to have our backs, that is very sweet!
I suppose I'm on the fence about this now. If Bambalina's idea works, then in the grand scheme of things, us camgirls would be profiting alot more than handing over 70% to the big camsites. But then again, I am inexperienced in the camming business, and I wasn't even thinking of the indy sites, as I haven't gotten that far in my cam career to even consider working at one of those yet.
You are right though, using the analogy of buying a car without taking it for a test drive was right on. On the other hand, if this site is successful, it would be nice to be grandfathered in at only having to pay $20 to be listed.
You seem VERY intelligent to me, you also seem like a person that trusts her gut instincts. I live my life based on my instincts and emotions as well, and one thing I can say for sure....my instincts are never wrong. I'm not getting any here though, either way. So for the time being, I'm going to trust yours :-*
Bambalina
12-02-2010, 03:51 AM
Three things.
1. The car analogy stinks because once one buys a car one owns the car at depreciated value for YEARS to come...Try going to a rental car place and asking for a test drive...THAT fits better...since you try one month, and if you don't like it, leave..Like if you rent a car and it drives badly, you return it the next day....
2. I bash the business model of sites that take percentages, because if they are worth ANYTHING, then they are taking MUCH MUCH more than they need to. If you make $500 as you say, then the site is taking $100 at 20% and even more if it is 25%...and if it's $1000, double that...and you say that is PER WEEK...So 4 weeks in a month and guess what..You're giving minimum of $400 and as much as $1200 per month...for something I will give for WAY under $100 per month. Any camgirl not willing to take a small gamble and try this is, by definition, a very bad math student, a bad businesswoman, and shortsighted. This is the future.
In fact, if this site succeeds, ALL indy sites will have to move to a Flat Fee model, which is GREAT for all webcam models everywhere.
Now all this is not true, if they are really getting fantastic traffic and are willing to prove they spend a HUGE percentage of their over-inflated percentage based income on TRAFFIC and Advertising. But guess what? NONE of them are...ONLY this site will give a guarantee on a percentage of profits re-invested in traffic propagation. ONLY this site. I'll go one further and we'll show the girls graphs of our traffic on a monthly basis...get your indy sites to do that.
3. This site will encourage you to STEAL ALL THE GUYS! Why? Because we don't make a dime off your customers. How cool is that? To work for a place that considers them YOUR customers, not ours. Now, overall, we recommend that you all encourage customer use of the site, since a co-op works by CO-OPERATION and not being cut throat competitive and mean. But it's a recommendation, nothing more. You pay your listing fee, and the customers are YOURS. Because that is how it works...it isn't Yahoo-Indy-Site.com's customer, and it never was...YOU worked the show and got the pay, it's your customer. You keep ALL the money.
So, let's just consider what is being sold here by each respective person with a horse in this race...and if you decide you want to pay 30%, so you can avoid a $20 risk, then I shake my head sadly and accept your decision...but if you want to take a chance, and MAYBE this crazy Bambalina Bitch has got something going, then we'll see...
Last thing here...You want a credit card that is offered with NO percentage of interest, but costs $20 upfront each month to use no matter how much you charge? How bout this...the places you've worked for in your life...Would you rather be TAKING 25% of their total income? Or $20? (THAT is why indy cam sites do it to ya)...So spare me on the "They care about their girls" shtick. EVERY business model falls short of a co-op for the worker. Look it up. We're going to be a co-op. So say what you want. A site run by the women for the women is better than some percentage based site.
B
PS. How many of the sites out there every REALLY asked for your input and cared about it for several months before implementing their design?
KittyPurry
12-02-2010, 09:53 PM
ive never done indy camming but i def. think that seems like a site i would be interested in if/when i decide to move from SM to indy..
Gabrielle_xoxo
12-02-2010, 11:32 PM
Awww Bambalina...I never said you were a bitch /:O
I think what you are proposing is a very good idea, and like I said it would be very cool to be grandfathered in at the listing price of $20. Also, even though the customers would be "mine" I would never "steal" them, although according to you, I would have every right to. I am a very respectful person, and I wouldn't do that to anybody. That's just how I roll. I treat people in all fairness, and have mad respect for you and what you are trying to accomplish.
I suppose I shouldn't have voiced an opinion either way. I am not really experienced in this area, and I am here to learn. Which, btw I have learned alot from not only you, but Salemsexy, and many other girls here who probably don't even know I exist.
With that being said, I do hope that you are succesful in your venture, and if I'm on board that would be great. I will support any women who has the balls to go out there and make it on their own.
Girl Power Roxx! :)
Bambalina
12-03-2010, 03:07 AM
Awww Bambalina...I never said you were a bitch /:O
I know darlin', I was being jokingly self-deprecating, and also using bitch in the empowered sense.
I think what you are proposing is a very good idea, and like I said it would be very cool to be grandfathered in at the listing price of $20. Also, even though the customers would be "mine" I would never "steal" them, although according to you, I would have every right to. I am a very respectful person, and I wouldn't do that to anybody. That's just how I roll. I treat people in all fairness, and have mad respect for you and what you are trying to accomplish.
I suppose I shouldn't have voiced an opinion either way. I am not really experienced in this area, and I am here to learn. Which, btw I have learned alot from not only you, but Salemsexy, and many other girls here who probably don't even know I exist.
With that being said, I do hope that you are succesful in your venture, and if I'm on board that would be great. I will support any women who has the balls to go out there and make it on their own.
Girl Power Roxx! :)
Overall, the "stealing" issue is one that is very important to me. Because I believe in many cases over the years, people have been taught to identify an action with a word, and never actually questioned the legit usage of that word. This has been done with the redefinition of the word "steal" to fit the downloading of songs or movies, and I also believe it is being done here as well.
Free trade is the basis of the system we pretend to live in and support, yet it isn't free trade if the customer is not allowed to choose freely and ultimately. So, while a site may CLAIM "ownership" of customers, the reality is that the site must do what is necessary to retain the customer, and the performer, as well as her loyalty. If they don't, then reality dictates that the site should suffer the consequences of competing and providing services poorly. To stave this off, they threaten to kick you off and to post your face on their BAN LIST and all sorts of things if you "steal customers".
But the FAT percentages are what make this "stealing" possible. Why would you ever steal a customer (this sentence has no meaning without percentage based webcam work) from me? What would That MEAN? Since I make NO money from customers. There can be no stealing. You keep ALL the money, so why would you try to "screw me" and take a customer away?
See?
So that is what I meant up there. The whole stealing thing is moot once you remove the powerful "taking a percentage of your profits" from the equation and go to a much more honest "Pay me a flat agreed upon rate to list you and bring you traffic"...
B.
PS. And for the record, this is my only real problem with the often re-posted reasoning of SalemSexy in this thread. She seems not to see that there is no need for me to steal girls money or scam them, and that providing the service I promise is MUCH easier than the months the scam she intimates is happening would require..Much easier to just do what i say.
But I "get it"...The "Post yourself here FREE and we'll just take a huge chunk of all your profits forever" seems like a deal to those who think paying for things up front is crazy. Why do you guys think our economy is in the shitter? Because MOST Americans think that "Get the TV now and pay for it later (with a HUGE percentage added)" is a great deal, and houses we can't afford on credit, and so on....used to be that people in the world thought paying with cash and being done with it was a GREAT thing and it was respected.
Anyway, lecture mode: off...:)
ayvaleigh
12-13-2010, 08:00 AM
Any updates on this site? I'd be willing to risk $20 on it.
CamWhore
12-14-2010, 04:33 PM
I work them all and i see alot more money in my bank account then when i did not work them! So Im cool with them making some of my money they brought me in the first place...
CHARGEBACKS?
I have not had one charge back from any indy yahoo site i work for yet so not sure why you think thats happening alot..
Hey! I would like to thank you for introducing me to a yahoo site a few months ago. I am about 95% indy now. if you didnt encourage us to give it a shot, i wouldnt have. I make alot more money Indy than on pay per minute sites! and YUP id give a SMALL percentage up, cause they damn sure give me help when i need it and give me the utmost respect at adultcamgirlsnetwork.com ! :)
this has nothing to do with the post, but i cant listen to people bashing things that WORK.
I rather pay AFTER, than before.
Most might not agree.
but i would pay BEFORE if it was reputable,
but Bambalina, lets be serious.
Link us to prjects you have worked on before.
All this TALKING aint really cutting it for me either.
write a buisnees plan for us with some refferal links.;)
you may be dead on...
but nobody needs to sit around and be naive cause you talk a good one...ya know?
and dont take offense to it.
it just reminds me of the guy in the mall around christmas trying to put lotion on me, talking a mile minute with no PROOFthat the shit is benificial.:D
xoxo
PussyPLayground
:camera: The ultimate camwhore
Bambalina
12-15-2010, 07:56 AM
but i cant listen to people bashing things that WORK.
I rather pay AFTER, than before.
Most might not agree.
but i would pay BEFORE if it was reputable,
but Bambalina, lets be serious.
Link us to prjects you have worked on before.
All this TALKING aint really cutting it for me either.
and dont take offense to it.
it just reminds me of the guy in the mall around christmas trying to put lotion on me, talking a mile minute with no PROOFthat the shit is benificial.:D
Ok, let me clear this up, even though I've said it several times in this thread.
I'm not trying to sell anyone on the site. In fact, I will probably give the address to only about 10 people on this site in PM, once it is up and running.
Since there is only room for about 50 sign-ups at $20, for the first girls who get the great rate, I am giving it to the girls I have worked with...the girls I work with now, some other friends in the webcam biz, and a few of my favorites and people who have been nothing but supportive here. This thread was about feedback and ideas. I take seriously that the site asks us not to spam our businesses on here, and I won't do that.
Honestly, this site is about helping out and giving back to the camgirl community. It's about making something that is completely in favor of the girls. It will NEVER make me as much money as promoting ONE girl will. It isn't about making me or anyone else rich from owning a site. So I don't have time to mess with those too blind to see that this is a goldmine opportunity for them. I am working with the girls who aren't asking me to PROVE it will succeed, but the girls who are asking what they can contribute to make absolutely sure this co-operative effort WILL succeed. Those women get it. Those women realize that a site like this NEEDS to succeed and do well, because they will probably never see another site that they can keep ALL the money they make, and truly BE independent.
So, honestly, I don't take offense at you, or Malaya, or Salem. I sort of shrug and shake my head. I get a little exasperated when I am spoken of as if I am hard selling something I personally honestly seriously don't care if you sign up for it, and once things are moving, by the time you realize it's up and running, it's going to be rolling along well, and will probably be $39 per month for new listings. You don't want to pay that. I understand that. You prefer paying hundreds to a site in percentage, than actually saying
"Hey, what can be done to make absolutely sure Bambalina's site succeeds, so I can make 100% of all the shows I do per month minus $20 (or even $39)? How can I guarantee that amazing site stays up and the owners think it worthwhile to keep going? Because it would be a fucking tragedy to have to go back to paying 20%-35% of my money...What could >I< do to pitch in and make it succeed?"
Much easier to snipe from the sidelines. So I shake my head, write this stuff, and move on...enjoying all the excellent feedback I HAVE gotten, and offers of help I HAVE received...because those keep me going.
B
PS. TO those wondering when we open..other than the investors, all the other people who are making this happen also work at other things. I am promoting women as well as working on a few other ongoing projects, the programmers are working on this in every spare moment they have, but they have "dayjobs" and are also working on the BIG Webcam site. It IS coming together and I am actually seeing it semi-functional and it's wonderful. I think we'll be up in January...don;t hold me to it, but it's really looking like that. A few of you will get tapped earlier for "beta testing", and if you want to volunteer, write me. Otherwise, keep up the suggestions and the good words.
CamWhore
12-15-2010, 08:00 AM
its not spam when we are asking bambalina.
you have no track record here.
you don't have a photo
you don't have links to ANYWHERE.
please do not insult my intelligence, okay?
CamWhore
12-15-2010, 08:04 AM
I find this really funny.
One because you dont like anyone speaking on the NEGATIVE side on this idea.
How many of us did you think was gonna just be like, hey, heres 20 bucks, and you havent proven anything thus far about ANYTHING you wrote on this forum for MONTHS.
Thats like saying your a webdesigner ..... but have no portfolio.
Secondly, half the girls that are jumping on your idea, are no teven listed on INDY sites, let alone understand the concept ... GO FIGURE.
Im sorry B, but you know im a fighter, so im up for the debate.
Im asking you where the proof is.
If you dont want to SPAM, feel free to message me.
other wise, your just talking. =)
Bambalina
12-15-2010, 08:14 AM
Let me ask a stupid question...
If this site succeeds...who benefits most? I mean, the owners of the site? Or the camgirls on it, and the camgirl community? REALLY think about it.
A site where you can get tons of show (if it succeeds) and only have to pay $20 (or even $39 for the latecomers) per month, NO MATTER HOW MUCH MONEY you make.
What is it worth to the camgirl community to make absolutely sure this site succeeds?
REALLY think about it...
B
pushit69
12-15-2010, 09:54 AM
$20 or$39 ain't NOTHING compared to the THOUSANDS that's been taken from me as part of the sites percentage. I'm all for this co-op! I honestly think people are so used to the way things have been run that something new is seen as non legit. What's really NON LEGIT is sites taking %30-%70 percent of your hard earned money.
I personally rather have the opportunity to make %100 of my money than anything else. I'm SICK of being robbed.
CamWhore
12-15-2010, 10:00 AM
its not about liking me. Just answer the questions we have, everybody is not gonna be psyched about it, as ther are ups and downs to everything.
keep your emotions to yourself, cause i couldnt give a hotshit about them.
thanks!
Bambalina
12-16-2010, 07:23 AM
Well, I'd like to thank the mods, or whoever removed my ill-considered posting of yesterday. Message received and I am done with that line of communication.
Ladies, what would you like on your profile page? Obviously, price list, at least a few pics (would you prefer links to Galleries?) a paragraph or two about you, and payment forms accepted. Schedule? And MFC style "about me" type questionaire? When you go to fill out the profile, what do you want to see there?
Do you prefer a more hands on WebPage style deal, where you can use HTML to really doll it up and make it look exactly like you want it? This WOULD sacrifice some simplicity for the women who just want a simple template based construction environment.
Or do you prefer a couple different backgrounds and something that set every woman on a level playing field, with her description and pics being the driving force for shows and interest?
This is getting programmed now and within the next few days, so your feedback is definitely valuable and important.
B
BustyAmeera
12-16-2010, 07:34 AM
Well, I'd like to thank the mods, or whoever removed my ill-considered posting of yesterday. Message received and I am done with that line of communication.
Ladies, what would you like on your profile page? Obviously, price list, at least a few pics (would you prefer links to Galleries?) a paragraph or two about you, and payment forms accepted. Schedule? And MFC style "about me" type questionaire? When you go to fill out the profile, what do you want to see there?
Do you prefer a more hands on WebPage style deal, where you can use HTML to really doll it up and make it look exactly like you want it? This WOULD sacrifice some simplicity for the women who just want a simple template based construction environment.
Or do you prefer a couple different backgrounds and something that set every woman on a level playing field, with her description and pics being the driving force for shows and interest?
This is getting programmed now and within the next few days, so your feedback is definitely valuable and important.
B
So this is finally coming out soon? Well I like to use HTML to make my page look how I want. I kind of like some of the features that I have on another site, but the navigation of the site sucks.
I like being able to have a blog section, sales, pic gallery, movies section etc. The more content I can sell the better. It helps out on those days when you don't make much, in private shows.
Weekly pay out is always nice too.
Bambalina
12-16-2010, 02:14 PM
Ok, let me say this upfront. This is the last post I am going to be wasting my time on that detracts from the precious time I have to talk to my girls here and get their ideas for the best possible site I can make.
I don't really even want to take the time to answer this stuff, and you'll soon see why. No matter what, I welcome ideas, constructive and creative. I welcome input on what you want to see this site become, and what it needs to be on opening day to make you smile.
If you are here to criticize something you haven';t even ever seen yet, or pick apart my character, or otherwise to just "start crap" as I see it...I will not reply to you. So, for those who have that mission, I hope Camwhore succinctly got your questions in, because this is it, like it or not.
I find this really funny.
One because you dont like anyone speaking on the NEGATIVE side on this idea.
Personally I would think it "funny" if someone came up with a brainchild, and people who have never even seen it, attacked it, and the person LIKED that their thing was being attacked for ridiculous reasons.
So correct, I "dont like" people shooting at my idea with stuff that is either made up, ridiculous, or just not valid. Because it wastes valuable time I can be using for gathering information and working on the project.
How many of us did you think was gonna just be like, hey, heres 20 bucks,
How many? ZERO...Know why??? Because I've never asked a SINGLE ONE of you for a dime. I've never told you where to send the money, where the website is at, nor have I tried to sell, promote or recruit for my project. I've asked for input on what it should look like, and threw back ideas of what I see it becoming. PERIOD. So no matter how much you and ONE OR TWO other people try to make this about me asking you for money. It is just a fiction...a lie...and it has NEVER happened.
To answer a completely different but related question...
How many women, once they see the completed website, and the format, and truly think about what it is about and read the ideals of the CO-OP it is to become, will join it and pay whatever the price is (from $20 for the first adopters, to $39 for the later folk) for monthly listing on the site and unlimited shows for that price?
I'm hoping a lot. Obviously you and few others seem to hope it fails, but I have a LOT of interest in the site thusfar from women from here, from many cam sites, both indy and PPM, so we'll see. I'm more worried honestly that I will have to set up 2-3 of these with different themes, because I don't want to overcrowd any one site.
and you havent proven anything thus far about ANYTHING you wrote on this forum for MONTHS.
I don't understand the vague negative slam of this phrase you wrote. It isn't a question...Just a negative assertion about me. I wrote a lot of stuff about promotion that You and many other members praised as being highly knowledgeable about promotion and internet traffic, and SEO, and Web Sites, and TGPs, and the different Cam Sites, and many other subjects. So those things have either borne out true, or they have been proven as UNTRUE. Since I have seen NOTHING I have said about promotions or web sites or search engines or any of that proven wrong, I'm going to assume I HAVE proven some things and you are just spouting off.
Thats like saying your a webdesigner ..... but have no portfolio.
Um, no...it's not. A web designer is selling you the design of a site that you have not seen and capabilities for that site you have no idea whether they can design. So they need to show examples of work that is as complex as what they are PRE-selling you. Because here is NOTHING for you to know whether they can make a website or not.I will have a working site. I have shown I know how to get traffic and promote it. There will be no vague ambiguity, there will be no smoke and mirrors. There will be a site which will function in from of your astonished eyes, and a clear plan for traffic propagation. WHO I AM doesn't enter into it, and I believe, to those who matter, I have proven I know enough to make this happen.
Secondly, half the girls that are jumping on your idea, are no teven listed on INDY sites, let
alone understand the concept ... GO FIGURE.
That means that the other half ARE listed, and DO understand the concept...Go Figure, especially when, guess what?...there is YOU and Salem...NO ONE ELSE is asking these questions or being negative. 2 people...that's it. the rest are all helping the discussion and being positive and contributing to the creation of something cool....GO FIGURE.
Im sorry B, but you know im a fighter, so im up for the debate.
I would say otherwise about you, and you aren't debating anything yet, as you have not made any real salient points for debate, you have done nothing to show that there is any reason for anyone not participate in this discussion, or even in the site once it is up....Don't flatter yourself with debate skills when you haven't yet debated anything.
Im asking you where the proof is.
I included this because the proof is in the site once it is done, and in the past tutorials I have done that show a broad range of understanding of how TRAFFIC and positive targeting, and SEO and promotion work. Need more? Then fine, be one of the ones who ends up paying $39 a month and waits to see it prove itself. No biggie. If it works like I say it will, then $39 is nothing as many point out, and if it doesn't we're wasting our breath here anyway, right? Some women will want to be the first on the block and get the perks that come with that, and also save almost 50% off the later price. And don't worry, I won't have problem getting enough girls to get started. So you can sit back and be skeptical and I won't even argue with you.
If you dont want to SPAM, feel free to message me.
I would rather be forced to tear out my own eyeballs and eat them, but thanks for the offer. :)
other wise, your just talking. =)
No, see, I'M doing something. Something positive to make a change for the better for camgirls everywhere. I'm working on a site that COULD completely and fundamentally change an industry...
You...are JUST talking...
Seriously.
its not about liking me.
You are right. I wanted you to know where we stand from my viewpoint, but otherwise, my feelings about you have NO place in this discussion. I agree. And for those who read my "feeling based" post before it was removed. I apologize.
Just answer the questions we have,
Who is this WE? Do you have a turd in yer pocket? Imaginary friend issues? Who are these WE? You say it as if I will look out my window and see peasants with pitchforks and torches demanding answers...what do I see? You and Salem? Well, when you ask salient questions with a point, I will attempt to answer them. When you stop accusing me of things I have OBVIOUSLY not done, we can discuss it. Until then, feel free to talk about it elsewhere, or just expect no answers from me. I don't have time to waste on this...THIS message is a couple of grains of sand from the hourglass of my life...WASTED.
everybody is not gonna be psyched about it, as ther are ups and downs to everything.
Good. Fine. And for them there is a dozen other indy sites, and MANY MANY regular camsites. Enjoy...don't need those folks, so we're all good.
I mean, do you follow? This is NOT for everyone. We aren't going to have everyone or even be able to accomodate a small percentage of "all camgirls in the world" or anything like that. We know that, we accept it, and we embrace it, because we want to truly make things work for the ones we DO have. If the demand is there, we will open up niche and themed offshoots, but otherwise, we'll probably allow others to do that, since that is how a co-op works.
keep your emotions to yourself, cause i couldnt give a hotshit about them.
Yes, fine. Agreed. We both know where it stands now...good enough. But the same holds true for me about most of your opinions and ideas.
its not spam when we are asking bambalina.
Untrue. When the rules of this site are that I'm not supposed to advertise, I stick to that. Others break it subtly, and that's fine that the site may allow it. I play nice as far as that stuff goes. So, I am NOT selling anything here, and I won't, and the most you will probably get is that when the site is open, I will say so, and let you know what it's called. Otherwise, this is a discussion (read the actual THREAD title) about "Independent CamGirl Listing site. What would make it Perfect?" and not about whether you are giving me $20, not about whether an unfinished site is WORTH $20...not about my reputation or my past accomplishments...it's about what would make a perfect Indy camgirl listing site...nothing more and nothing less.
you have no track record here.
And I don't NEED one to have a thread about what people think would make a really great indy camgirl listing site. Nor do I need one to discuss the possibilities of opening such a site, nor do I need one to open a site....Nor do I care if you're impressed with my promotional skills or my rep. I believe that for those I've helped with my Promo/Web/SEO/Traffic threads, I have shown it would be fun to have me driving the traffic for a web site filled with beautiful women all eager and ready to do Indy shows. So you're wrong, I have a track record here. I've also been here and reading and stuff since December 2006...You? I've never been kicked off, I've never deleted my account, I've been here, reading, and posting when I have things to share, since 2006. Can you say that?
you don't have a photo
I am no longer performing on a regular basis, and I don't feel I need to share my physical-ness with people here. I am not here to talk about my performing, or to share that with others, I am here to talk about promotion and ideas that can help women grow and bond and take their rightful place in this industry.
you don't have links to ANYWHERE.
And? Alot of people here keep their outside self anonymous. A lot of people here who have something to lose, or who have an identity that is too high profile outside here, or who just want a place to exist without having to be indentified, as opposed to being known for what they contribute and how they bring light, knowledge, joy, etc. to their fellow forum-ers.
So, I don't need those links, and obviously, if I put up the web address when this is done, there will be one link, and you can judge based on that.
please do not insult my intelligence, okay?
I almost cannot resist...but I will....Instead, I will say, show some, and I will...post something of substance that actually fits the topic of the thread...post something that is substantial instead of vague negative crap about me that has ZERO sustance, and we'll talk...till then, I have not seen you make an intelligent debate or argument or suggestion or idea in this thread.
Hoping though.
B
CamWhore
12-16-2010, 05:45 PM
OH PLEASE.
you broke all that down to show NO PROOF.
you can be a fat old guy reading right out of a marketing textbook. NO TRACK RECORD OF ANYTHING, is the only discussion im on.
I dont really care, how it works out or not, what im saying, is WHO ARE YOU.
and you keep skipping around that....
and i have made an argument, that you simply cannot answer.
full of excuses.
Juliette25
12-16-2010, 09:00 PM
I could do without the html profiles but would put up with it if I had to.
I don't really care what would be on the questionnaire if there was one, lol.
I'd like to be able to throw up pics. Linking to the pics on my site would be cool as well. Prices definitely, schedule definitely, payment processor definitely. If we could have a teaser vid or 2 up that would be cool.
Bambalina
12-16-2010, 11:21 PM
OH PLEASE.
you broke all that down to show NO PROOF.
you can be a fat old guy reading right out of a marketing textbook. NO TRACK RECORD OF ANYTHING, is the only discussion im on.
I dont really care, how it works out or not, what im saying, is WHO ARE YOU.
and you keep skipping around that....
and i have made an argument, that you simply cannot answer.
full of excuses.
Ok, you're right! You caught me! I'm a 400lb 58 year old Armenian MAN, and I have a copy of "How to Trick Cam Girls" right here in front of me....
No...wait...I'm a 20 year old hermaphrodite, who because of my ambiguous sexuality hates camgirls and wants to lead them on with tales of wonderful sites I will build for them!
Oh...nonono...wait...I'm a 72 year old woman, who wants to re-live my glory days as a Burlesque Stripper!
It is none of your freaking business WHO I am...It has nothing to do with this site WHO I AM...Do you know WHO everyone is behind Streamates? MFC? XXXCamBabes, where the chick runs off and doesn't do damn PAYROLL?!? Who ARE those people? What is their track record? Well guess what, their track records are based generally on the sites they run, which is exactly what mine will be....No-one knew SHIT about 99% of the owners and operators of Web Sites BEFORE the site existed. You're just obsessed with me and wanting to identify me, and it's honestly getting kind of scary, almost like stalking..especially since this isn't the first thread that has been destroyed and attacked by you or Malaya in an incessant run to find out my private information.
NO ONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD ASKS ME FOR MY PERSONAL INFO, AND EVERYONE HERE BUT YOU RESPECTS THE PRIVACY OF OTHERS. PLEASE STOP ASKING AND RESPECT MY PRIVACY.
Not sure how I can put it clearer. My Site will be like most sites in that it will either be well programmed and work, or it won't...let that decide.
In other words, the site will speak for itself...I am only one partner in that site, and if you want to say you know EVERYONE who is a part owner or owner at all Camsites you've worked at, I call you a liar.
So, you've exposed yourself for the fucking stalker you actually are. Thank you. Leave me alone PLEASE. I am asking you here and now. I do not want to tell you my private information, or anything that could lead you to me as I find you creepy and scary. So PLEASE, stop harassing me and asking me for personal info.
MODS...Do you SEE this??? I am asking Nicely for her to leave me alone about my personal identity...I have in the past Offered to verify that to the OWNERS of this board if necessary. I do not like being harassed about it by a user over several months time.
Sheesh.
B
PS. Pussy Playground has once again come in and disrupted a thread with nonsense, drama, ridiculous questions, and her normal way of disrupting and destroying things and causing trouble. So for now, unless the mods do something to stop it we're stuck with THIS crap.
Bambalina
12-16-2010, 11:42 PM
Well, let me ask the programmer if there is a way to do both, or if that is just a HUGE headache.
Overall, I was thinking and hoping that payment processor would be unnecessary, because PAYING you guys is the part that makes sites be forced to take percentages. The whole issue of payroll is catastrophic to the idea of a co-op.
Can AlertPay not be our standard? Or one of the others (not Paypal obviously)? That way each girl gets paid on the spot for her shows, and then reports back that her customer paid and there was no chargebacks, thus setting up a feedback system. I think that will work better than MOST of the indy sites out there. Fuck weekly pay...why do we need any of that? Why not ON THE SPOT pay? Guy contacts you, Lets you know his Username, you check his feedback and ratings (which can also have notes about likes and dislikes etc. maybe) and then he pays you through whatever we all agree is the best processor (which seems AlertPay right now)...and you do the show....when done, you come back and post feedback, and he does the same about you and the show you did. Easy, Tidy and >>I<< never handle your money...YOU do...
This way, you are paying me for two things...providing a well put together listing space and sort of "web host" for you...and our team using every skill and trick in the book to bring in traffic and keep the site really popular.
The way I see it is that if we have 250-500 girls or so onsite, and most of them are willing to provide me with the minimum of promotional materials, I can do promotions for all of them AND the site at the same time. Think about if every girl had a gallery on a good picture host or TGP, that leads back to their profile...the traffic would be phenomenal...promo vids can be posted on the site AND (with your permission) on a tube site under our banner...Thus you HELP drive your own traffic fully with the co-operation of the site.
And yes, we have plans to add clips, intimate auctions, and other services as well, all under the ONE PRICE subscription model. Good stuff.
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BustyAmeera
12-16-2010, 11:49 PM
Wouldn't it be easier to just ignore one another? Obviously some people bump heads, and simply will never see eye to eye. I think this is getting a bit silly here. Sometimes it's funny, but lately not funny at all.
Also after all the past drama, I think it's wise for some people to not post their pics, and info here. We have seen that info get used on each other in pointless cyber fights. Not sure what happen the other day, and I don't really care, and also glad any negative posts were deleted. The drama is just negative energy.
Just ignore each other. These arguments have been off and on again for quite sometime now.
I hope things get better. I don't even really see what the big deal is here.
Worse case scenario is this new webcam site will never get started, but we all have had a chance to discuss what we would like to see in a new great site, right? I don't know how things get blown up here so fast.
Anyway, I'm going to bed. I need plenty of rest to deal with the free beggars later on! :)
*HUGS*
laurielegs
12-17-2010, 12:34 AM
Well, let me ask the programmer if there is a way to do both, or if that is just a HUGE headache.
Overall, I was thinking and hoping that payment processor would be unnecessary, because PAYING you guys is the part that makes sites be forced to take percentages. The whole issue of payroll is catastrophic to the idea of a co-op.
Can AlertPay not be our standard? Or one of the others (not Paypal obviously)? That way each girl gets paid on the spot for her shows, and then reports back that her customer paid and there was no chargebacks, thus setting up a feedback system. I think that will work better than MOST of the indy sites out there. Fuck weekly pay...why do we need any of that? Why not ON THE SPOT pay? Guy contacts you, Lets you know his Username, you check his feedback and ratings (which can also have notes about likes and dislikes etc. maybe) and then he pays you through whatever we all agree is the best processor (which seems AlertPay right now)...and you do the show....when done, you come back and post feedback, and he does the same about you and the show you did. Easy, Tidy and >>I<< never handle your money...YOU do...
B
I think that would work very well.
I can't get approved for click-able buttons for my website, but I've used Alertpay to just send an invoice or payment request to the guy's email and honestly to me that is the easiest way. When I had click-able buttons on another site guys would pay when I wasn't even available and was obviously offline and expect me to be there 24/7, get angry and Id have to handle refunds for shows I never even agreed to.
Much easier to just handle it ourselves, send a payment request once a time and price are agreed to and get the money credited to my Alertpay account within minutes of him sending it.
Juliette25
12-17-2010, 01:01 AM
Oh I've gotta read through the rest of the threads but when I said payment processor I meant being able to list who we accept payment through, like alertpay for instance.
Okay finished reading it. All of that sounds great!! I'm already set up with alertpay.
Busty... how do you send payment requests to guys? I always just tell them to send the payment to my email but sending invoices would be cool.
laurielegs
12-17-2010, 03:14 AM
Oh I've gotta read through the rest of the threads but when I said payment processor I meant being able to list who we accept payment through, like alertpay for instance.
Okay finished reading it. All of that sounds great!! I'm already set up with alertpay.
Busty... how do you send payment requests to guys? I always just tell them to send the payment to my email but sending invoices would be cool.
How do you get them to send the payment to your email if they don't have an Alertpay account?
I always used an invoice or payment request bcause they don't actually have to sign up to Alertpay - they just enter their card details like any other site.
You just log into your alertpay account and click on Request Money, then choose either payment request or invoice.
CandaceMoon
12-17-2010, 04:48 AM
I would be interested in a site like this as well, my question is...Does alertpay allow the guy to see my real name?
Juliette25
12-17-2010, 06:27 AM
I would be interested in a site like this as well, my question is...Does alertpay allow the guy to see my real name?
Not if you set up a business account.
Bambalina
12-17-2010, 07:22 AM
The way I see it, we cut WAYYYY down on the amount of red tape and cost to you for the site, by JUST giving you what you truly need...The concept of a "Indy Site" as opposed to you own web site is appealing because we can drag a huge number of guys in because we have so many women and so much eye candy to offer their incredibly visual sexual minds....:)
So we give the listing and the space for you guys to shine, and then we bring in thousands of custies...the rest is yours and allows you the freedom to run things how YOU choose.
Also, with this simple approach, we encourage majorly, and will even help, women who are on regular camsites to be able to use multicam software, and to ALWAYS be on indy when you are webcamming.
Good?
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Juliette25
12-17-2010, 09:35 AM
So will the site have it's own camming platform then if you're encouraging us to use splitcam? This would be similar to xxxcambabes. With them you can do messenger shows or use their 'viewing room'.
ukmissy
12-17-2010, 01:16 PM
How do you get them to send the payment to your email if they don't have an Alertpay account?
I always used an invoice or payment request bcause they don't actually have to sign up to Alertpay - they just enter their card details like any other site.
You just log into your alertpay account and click on Request Money, then choose either payment request or invoice.
If you don't have a business account, and you send a payment request , the customer will still have to sign up to send funds......
CamWhore
12-17-2010, 02:30 PM
why argue with me because you disagree, emotional CHILD? =)
Bambalina
12-17-2010, 08:18 PM
So, I think before we add clips or anything like that, an auction portal for the women listed on the site would be great. What do you guys think? Sorta Like Ebanned, but we make it a bit classier and cooler...
Panty Auction on eBay is where I got my start! It can be great money if we do it right. And the auctions advertise the Cams and the Cams advertise the auctions....
Other good thing is that we MIGHT be able to get that in before opening day.
B
PrincessJenny
12-17-2010, 08:22 PM
opening day.
B
Has a day been set for opening day? This thread is large so I may have missed it if its already been posted sorry.
laurielegs
12-17-2010, 09:36 PM
So, I think before we add clips or anything like that, an auction portal for the women listed on the site would be great. What do you guys think? Sorta Like Ebanned, but we make it a bit classier and cooler...
Panty Auction on eBay is where I got my start! It can be great money if we do it right. And the auctions advertise the Cams and the Cams advertise the auctions....
Other good thing is that we MIGHT be able to get that in before opening day.
B
I would definitely go for that!
Juliette25
12-17-2010, 11:36 PM
Yea the auction thing i a good idea.
Bambalina
12-18-2010, 12:21 AM
No, for the splitcam stuff, I was thinking that would work for the girls who also work on MFC or Stream or IM or one of the other sites. Being on this site ALWAYS wherever else you cam is a ni brainer, since ALL shows here are at no loss to you. I mean, one thing we have here with this co-op is that EVERY camgirl can benefit from a site where there is FULL pay, so that they can turn the yukky percentage of Stream (for example) way up with shows throughout on our site.
Also, the other project, which is for a much more robust camsite akin to the "biggies" out there, will be programmed to go fully hand in hand in conjunction with this one. So, that is where all the talk of split-camming comes in.
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Bambalina
12-18-2010, 12:28 AM
Opening day is a tough one. I want to say like a week or so, but to be totally realistic that is because I am SEEING pages be finished and allow me to demo them...however there is still a bit left to be done and some of it is the more complex stuff. So I will stick with a ESTIMATED January 7-14.
B
PS. By the way, partners DID approve a guaranteed Feedback of the money that comes in. The percentage is still up in the air, but it's going to most likely be 20% or 25% which is GUARANTEED up front to be fed back immediately each month to advertising and direct promotion of traffic. I believe the number will be MUCH larger the first and second months, but it's nice to know (for me especially as promotions manager) that we will be able to continuously be running promotions and advertising, buying traffic, etc. If that combines with you guys stepping up to really help me by providing promotional content, I cannot see this site doing poorly.
Juliette25
12-18-2010, 06:21 AM
What a cool way to start off the new year :D
MissEgo
12-18-2010, 09:46 AM
So this is going forward?? I've never done any indy cam stuff, but I really really want to check this out! Sounds like all good ideas so far.
Bambalina
12-19-2010, 08:13 AM
So this is going forward?? I've never done any indy cam stuff, but I really really want to check this out! Sounds like all good ideas so far.
It is absolutely going forward. It will be up pretty soon as well. I just learn daily that for a website that has some complexity like this one will, the programming takes time. It makes me nuts....I see it going forward, but slower than I want....hehehe
Thusfar the mentor I have spoken of in the past, and my hubby, have teamed with some VERY interesting and interested investors, who like the experience that comes with our "crew" and want to partner for SEVERAL sites. This is "my baby" as far as the overall setup. But we will also be working on a full sized cam site as soon as this one is at Beta level. Plus some other VERY cool sites and surprises. ALL of which will be done from the perspective of a co-op, so the women who participate will benefit FAR more than any other sites currently existing. I seriously think we are hooked into the future and will take the experience of women online to the next and more importantly FAR MORE INFLUENTIAL level.
Stay tuned for all that...for now this is the concentration, and the programmers are slow because they are all in that ol' Christmas Spirit....I am too, but I wanna see Progress Dammit! Bah..Humbug! (kidding) :)
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BustyAmeera
12-19-2010, 08:43 AM
Oh I've gotta read through the rest of the threads but when I said payment processor I meant being able to list who we accept payment through, like alertpay for instance.
Okay finished reading it. All of that sounds great!! I'm already set up with alertpay.
Busty... how do you send payment requests to guys? I always just tell them to send the payment to my email but sending invoices would be cool.
What do you mean? Forgive me but I'm kind of lost lol. Are your asking me how I send payment requests on Niteflirt? I think you could be refering to something I said about sending pay to views on niteflirt, but I don't know, and am lost here:D
Refresh my memory?
Bambalina
12-19-2010, 09:29 AM
Busty, I think she was talking about invoicing guys on AlertPay...maybe I'm wrong.
So, does the auction portal work for you from what you said earlier in the thread about wanting to be able to sell all yer stuff...pics and garments and vids and so on?
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Juliette25
12-19-2010, 02:23 PM
What do you mean? Forgive me but I'm kind of lost lol. Are your asking me how I send payment requests on Niteflirt? I think you could be refering to something I said about sending pay to views on niteflirt, but I don't know, and am lost here:D
Refresh my memory?
Busty I was talking about Alertpay and I thought you answered already LOL. If it wasn't you than someone else did
*Too stoned to roll back in the thread lol*
Bambalina
12-29-2010, 04:09 PM
Did I ever tell you guys about my love/hate with web designers? Hmmm?
Aggggghhhhhhh!
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PrincessJenny
12-29-2010, 04:18 PM
Hows the estimated 14th Jan 2011~ date coming along? :)
laurielegs
12-29-2010, 04:58 PM
If you don't have a business account, and you send a payment request , the customer will still have to sign up to send funds......
Thanks! :) I assumed that nobody would ever try to use Alertpay for adult purposes without a business account. Don't you have to sign up as a business to protect your real name and stuff?
Also I think they require a business account anyway in order to be able to accept an adult transaction because they charge us a bit more percentage in exchange for the higher risk of adult transactions such as webcam shows.
Webstud
04-25-2011, 04:09 PM
It is absolutely going forward. It will be up pretty soon as well. I just learn daily that for a website that has some complexity like this one will, the programming takes time. It makes me nuts....I see it going forward, but slower than I want....hehehe
B
I have been working on a site like this with a professional webcam model, and I can tell you know there is a LOT more to the programming than you might think. (And I am a programmer by profession.) The thing you have to realize is that the reason the sites can get away with taking such a huge amount of the models' fees is that they offer some things that are very expensive to do yourself. Yes, you can IM. Yes, you can use PayPal or some similar service to get payments--until they find out what you are doing, and then they will shut you down. Most of these places do not accept accounts for adult services because of the relatively high rate of fraud and chargebacks compared to other types of businesses. Then you need some sort of camming solution--one that prefereably includes a way to bill the user per minute. You need a payment processing gateway, and you have to have a hefty amount of server space. You need a way to track all of the incoming and outgoing payments, the legal stuff, everything. So going it as an independent might work for someone picking up an occasional chunk of fun money, but for a serious site you need serious investment. You are asking $20 per month--I think that's about a tenth of what the services are worth, and what they will eventually cost you if you provide everything that the rip-off sites do.
Remember, too, that the sites that have lots of traffic don't actually care much about the models themselves. They want the traffic so they can sell their traffic stream. One site (I blog about it at , on the Webstud's blog) went so far as to fake an expose of themselves in an attempt to show guys how to get free shows by mooching off the tippers. They want to drive up traffic for ad revenues and to sell their customer base, not help the models make a decent living.
If a model had a site that provides payment gateways, a camming platform, a way to manage her online presense, and let her keep all of her per-minute earnings, she'd be making a killing even at a couple of hundred a month. Especially since she'd be saving so much in the amount she isn't paying the site per minute that she could charge less per minute than the scam sites require and still get more in her pocket.
As for traffic, the woman I work with has worked on many sites, and her guys never seem to have trouble finding her. It's a matter of having a loyal client base because you give good value. The higher the traffic, the mode models, the less likely you are to be chosen.
So I wish you luck, because I am working along the same lines and there is plenty of room for everyone in the World Wide Web, but don't underestimate either the work ahead or the value of what you will have to provide. Both are bigger than you are seeing.
--Webstud
Bambalina
05-03-2011, 05:50 PM
Well, I suck...
See, I'm the kind of person, that as I go along my project gets bigger with time...I don;t want to open a site like other sites, so I keep adding bits and pieces to the idea until I have something big and wonderful and game changing and guaranteed to blow away the world, but now I gotta fund it, and I'm fucking DONE with male investors who stick their stupid noses into it and have NO CLUE about the tech, or even the real way the business COULD function.
So, I suck, because the original "indy site" was MOSTLY done a litle late but close to on schedule...
Then came the game changing ideas and the epiphany on the nature of camming, and presto chango, I'm working on a different site with a different, more expensive, but more proficient programmer.
That is where I sit now...programmer awaits payment to do the next step, and I have had 2 or 3 big setbacks (one of which was the death of my best friend, whose spouse was severely in need) and I am horribly off schedule.
But the most messed up part is that I truly think I have a game changing idea that needs to be done...it will alter camming in the ladies favor forever...I just need to raise the moolah...
More updates as I figure this out...
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