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malayataylor
08-12-2010, 04:14 AM
LOL...no, not really. Ashley Dupre was hardly an graduate of the world's finest institutions of higher academic learning as her agency's website claimed. but hey, i doubt ol' Elliot was interested in her curriculum vitae. in short, if there's any lesson to be learned from the the Eliot Spitzer scandal. there's no substitute for an effective marketing strategy.
You are a very smart man Mr.
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@ Jack, no one is telling you to shell out your hard earned cash on an escort but I'm trying to tell you that there are LOTS of men out there that will easy blow $400-$2k an hour. Yes most of the time you're just paying for the looks. However, My clients book multiple hours with me 70% of the time and I can assure you that it's not because they want to have a fuck fest ... in all honesty a lot of them don't really even last THAT long ha! Hey no complaints here!
Trust me as my non adut business grows I will raise my companionship rates (well because I wouldn't need to rely on escort income anymore)
This is what smart businesswomen do.
jack0177057
08-12-2010, 07:42 AM
LOL...no, not really. Ashley Dupre was hardly an graduate of the world's finest institutions of higher academic learning as her agency's website claimed. but hey, i doubt ol' Elliot was interested in her curriculum vitae. in short, if there's any lesson to be learned from the the Eliot Spitzer scandal. there's no substitute for an effective marketing strategy.
Ashley Dupre had connections. The agency she worked for had an A-list clientelle that included senators, CEOs, rockstars, celebrities, jet-setters, etc. So yeah, all the agency had to do was market her to the clients they already had - easy to do. But how is an indie escort going to compete with a powerful and well-connected agency? I'm saying the indie escort has to be able to impress people who are extremely hard to impress, and not by talking about the latest GaGa CD. In my opinion - a woman would have to be uber glamorous and sophisticated to justify more than $500 per hour. I would have to feel like I'm fucking a real royal princess to pay $1,000 or more for an hour.
jack0177057
08-12-2010, 07:59 AM
You have not read my reviews and you have not seen my professional site. You have no clue what my work name is or the circle I'm involved in. What makes you think i'm not already rocking 1k Jimmy choos?
You're right I don't know much about you. I know from your pics that you are incredibly beautiful and I know a little about you from your posts.
Based on what you've said, you should take your business to the next level. $475 is just a little higher than average.
I'm not a rich CEO, rockstar or trustfund baby, but I make a decent living (about $175k) and I could splurge a little on escorts if I wanted to (I don't only because I'm in a serious relationship). If I wanted to spend time with an escort, I would either go for the beautiful, but simple girl, for the standard rate (with frequent visits)... or I would go for the glamorous princess with the sky-high rate and A-list clients (only on special occasions). I would probably stay away from the in-between girls because they would seem more like the first category - only overpriced.
Based on what you say, you belong in the second category and your rate needs to double to reflect that.
malayataylor
08-12-2010, 08:00 AM
laynieharper.com
amytaylor.com
chelsyheyden.com
hollyadventures.com
All these women are independent escorts. As an Independent escort we are NOT in competition with other escort agencies we are in competition with OTHER independent escorts. ALOT of men NOW know better that it is best to go with an well reviewed indie than an agency escort for several reasons. Fact of the matter is Escort agencies are targeted by LE more than Independents are.
Well you see what happened to the Emperor's Club :(
so AGAIN, YOU DO NOT know what connections these women have. You do not know anything about the way they run their business (if they have an upscale incall, if they're impeccably dressed.. ) all you see is their website. YOU, obviously, have never met them to even say for example "Oh she can't be VIP I met her at the holiday inn" Just like these women have a website I have one as well that's very similar and again I don't attract the average joe blow...
We are very well connected with prominent businessmen, Lawyers, Mayors, Senators, Doctors... I mean they're the only people that can actually afford our "high" rates. How about the infamous agent provacatuse? She boasted rates of $12k for the whole day. I'm pretty sure she didn't have the customer service rep at State far trying to see her.. he simply just cannot AFFORD it.
This is how it works Jack: We put an ad up on eros-guide, cityvibe.. etc ... listing our rates and the gents (The ones that can afford us) email us or fill out our appointment request form requesting to meet. We do NOT go fishing for clients.. this is actually considered "tacky" and "desperate". Oh I have never had a guy email me trying to negotiate and If I did he would be blocked automatically.
I just let my reviews and pictures make the sale ;)
Again,1k-2k.. hell 400 for 30 minutes .. 400 for an hour is NOT alot of money for a luxury companion.
Oh and one more thing: Have you read the Court Transcript on the Emperor's club, The guy who ran the agency talked too fucking much. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut LE wouldn't have been on his ass. I mean, He was not discreet at ALL in his advertising too..
Ahh this is why I say, Men have no place in this business... :)
malayataylor
08-12-2010, 08:07 AM
You're right I don't know much about you. I know from your pics that you are incredibly beautiful and I know a little about you from your posts.
Based on what you've said, you should take your business to the next level, even if gradually.
Thank you
And I will :)
Nicole89
08-12-2010, 03:27 PM
I always wondered are there cops undercover that ask for extras and when u agree they arrest u??? Just curious!!!
Athenathefabulous
08-12-2010, 03:36 PM
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lopaw
08-12-2010, 08:39 PM
Hmmmm....that LE issue is an interesting one.
Now, if anyone in the club might look undercover LE it's me (lone female, not drinking alcohol, the way I sometimes dress). Hell - sometimes the only thing missing are the mirrored aviator shades & the german shepherd!
Maybe it says something about some dancers willingness to "go that extra mile" nowadays, without stopping to even wonder if I might be undercover. I remember in the "old" days that dancer would offer extras only after multiple lap sessions or after multiple repeat visits on different occasions.
Many now are offering extras when we first meet, virtually on our first dance. I haven't gotten that suspicious "is she vice?" look from a dancer in a looooong time, even at clubs I'm visiting for the first time.
Are they letting their guard down for the sake of quick cash, or am I just too irresistible to pass up? ;)
mr_punk
08-12-2010, 09:22 PM
Ashley Dupre had connections. The agency she worked for had an A-list clientelle that included senators, CEOs, rockstars, celebrities, jet-setters, etc. So yeah, all the agency had to do was market her to the clients they already had - easy to do.easy to do, you say? well, i rest my case. apparently, all one needs do is jack up the price and drop key words like "low volume","exclusive","well-educated","discreet", "former model","elite", etc and PLs will it's something better than the norm. of course, that isn't necessarily the case.
But how is an indie escort going to compete with a powerful and well-connected agency? I'm saying the indie escort has to be able to impress people who are extremely hard to impress, and not by talking about the latest GaGa CD. In my opinion - a woman would have to be uber glamorous and sophisticated to justify more than $500 per hour. I would have to feel like I'm fucking a real royal princess to pay $1,000 or more for an hour.powerful and well-connected agency, my ass. they got busted got busted by the Feds. anyway, it's not as impossible as you think. you seem to think the difference between a 200/hr escort and a 500/hr escort is based on some formula of looks, education, intelligence and sexual skill rather than a case of effective marketing. honestly, i've seen (not personally..yikes) some women that physically look like they have no business charging 500/hr, but they do and i'm sure some guys have no problem paying it. frankly, i think you underestimate the escort and overestimate the clientele.
Smokeless
08-12-2010, 09:29 PM
I guarantee you extras in Colorado do occur. I could list names & places... but I don't really see a reason to do such on SW.
I'm sure they do. I just haven't been there. Hence, I can't price it. I've heard from former members of this forum some specifics. One dancer told me that she wouldn't work a particular location near your base, "because it's a brothel." I've been there, and although it's somewhat less restrictive than other Colorado clubs, I wasn't propositioned. Perhaps extras gals can tell that I've got a budget and don't probe further. Perhaps it's something else.
(You could list them if you wish. Or do you want me all for yourself?) ;D
carmenssecret
08-13-2010, 02:36 AM
yes there are and when you agree yes you are in trouble.
the same rules for prostutition apply to drug sales. cops are allowed to trick you. when it comes to drugs, it is illegal to buy, sell, or possess any drugs but an undercover cop is exempt from these rules in the name of catching those buying and selling drugs.
same with prostitution-- it is illegal to try to get girls to sell you sex for money. BUT an undercover is allowed to ask this question because he is a cop. and if you say yes you will XXX for $$$, the defense that he asked which should be illegal is not good enough. some more naive dancers think that a cop asking like this is called 'entrapment', its not. they are allowed to ask but you are not allowed to say yes.
also since both of you are newer, to be clear, this is not supposed to be a pro extras thread. i just wanted honest answers from the blues, which they have done a good job of, about what the extras pricings are now (or lack of pricing) so we can better know what we are up against. and i think an interesting discussion of why the market is the way it is across regions in regards to absurdly low/high extras prices also belongs here. i didnt want this to turn into a pro/con extras thread because i feel like there are already 5 billion other threads on that, and probably at least 5 active threads on that now. if you do a search you can find plenty of info on why extras are illegal and also why dancers are opposed to extras in the club. but this thread, well the blues already know what we think of extras and we already know that a fair amount of the blues (not all of them though) receive/look for extras ... i want some new material to circulate once in a while. plus as much as i hate extras, i do find the topic of how extras are priced as well as why they are priced this way to be fairly interesting. disturbing, but interesting.
Thankyou very much! And yes, the blues have done an excellent job with honest answers and I totally understand your entire messg! However, to clarify I wasnt posting my comment for anyone to clarify proper 'undercover terminology' as I am very aware and do not need to be a pro to properly understand nor was my purpose to turn this thread into a pro/con extras thread or a pro extra thread! The actual purpose of posting was because while reading the different posts on this thread like everyone else who post I commented on what crossed my mind ..which is whether or not the females who 'so freely' give or sale extras ever think of this person as being someone other than a regular customer! My post was not for my own justification! In fact Im fine if no one was to ever reply! In fact I hope that maybe the next time someone does an extra to a possible undercover they think of this post and think twice just in case the cust is undercover! Also, no offense to the ppl convo escort pricing! But, I also dont c a problem with my post which is relevant to the topic especially when no one is complaining about a 1 - 2 page conversation on escort pricing which is totally irrelevant to extras in a club if you really want to address staying on topic!
malayataylor
08-13-2010, 04:45 AM
Also, no offense to the ppl convo escort pricing! But, I also dont c a problem with my post which is relevant to the topic especially when no one is complaining about a 1 - 2 page conversation on escort pricing which is totally irrelevant to extras in a club if you really want to address staying on topic!
Sorry for hijacking "your" thread...
BUT just fyi , it is more relevant than you think... ;)
:wave:*leaves thread*
rickdugan
08-13-2010, 08:19 AM
Thankyou very much! And yes, the blues have done an excellent job with honest answers and I totally understand your entire messg! However, to clarify I wasnt posting my comment for anyone to clarify proper 'undercover terminology' as I am very aware and do not need to be a pro to properly understand nor was my purpose to turn this thread into a pro/con extras thread or a pro extra thread! The actual purpose of posting was because while reading the different posts on this thread like everyone else who post I commented on what crossed my mind ..which is whether or not the females who 'so freely' give or sale extras ever think of this person as being someone other than a regular customer! My post was not for my own justification! In fact Im fine if no one was to ever reply! In fact I hope that maybe the next time someone does an extra to a possible undercover they think of this post and think twice just in case the cust is undercover! Also, no offense to the ppl convo escort pricing! But, I also dont c a problem with my post which is relevant to the topic especially when no one is complaining about a 1 - 2 page conversation on escort pricing which is totally irrelevant to extras in a club if you really want to address staying on topic!
This was a little off topic, but it does raise an interesting point regarding the aggressiveness of LE and how it impacts extras pricing in clubs.
As we all know, LE's aggressive enforcement of activities in SCs varies wildly from place to place. In response to carmen's comments, there are many areas where LE doesn't seem to expend a lot of resources chasing after one-off misdemeanor prost. charges as long as the activities/issues do not become ridiculous or too blatant. In some areas, however, LE is much more of a pain in the ass.
In Boston and Chicago, LE tends to be far more aggressive in policing this. Like I have always said, I guess working girls resist less than the hardened criminals. In any event, this has made it much more expensive to monger in those clubs. The paranoia about undercover cops is palpable, and it takes a lot to even get to the point where OTC is being discussed, and it is done very quietly. The girls that do it also tend to want a lot more for it IME. In both places it is far cheaper and more reliable, IME, to simply call an escort (though that takes a lot of the fun out of it for me) or to drive 30-45 minutes outside of each city for areas with more friendly environments.
In a nutshell, while carmen's main point was a lame and much overdone "you should think twice in doing this because of uncercovers" post, it does make one consider the relationship between LE activities and pricing grids.
BeautifulMonster
08-13-2010, 09:14 AM
Malaya, You made a great point. Once again, like I've said before you have quite a few haters and it's the same people all the time LOL. No need to leave the thread GIRL!
rickdugan
08-13-2010, 11:10 AM
My last input on general OTC pricing structures.
In addition to the regions I specifically highlighted before, I have also had other "one-off" experiences in Philly, Baltimore and few other East Coast locations. Collectively, all of these experiences have led me to believe that a full hour OTC can normally be done for 250-300 in many places around the country, and in some of these places guys can get it for less if they are just looking for a quick pop.
This excludes Boston, Chicago (both discussed above) and Manhattan. And I have no idea how it is on the West Coast or in the surrounding states.
I have read that it gets even cheaper in Houston and some of the deep south states that I did not mention, but I don't have first hand intel. However, if South Carolina and Florida are barometers for other southern states, then I believe it. I am convinced that I overpaid in both SC and FL based upon their reactions to the cash and what I have been reading in other places, but I had such good experiences in both states that it seemed crappy to hold them up over an extra $50 or 100 bucks.
Brain dump (or trickle as the case may be) completed. :P
Harleigh HellKat
08-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Apparently, at the club I danced at last night guys expect to be able to touch all over you for 10 bucks. Fuck that noise.
malayataylor
08-13-2010, 02:16 PM
Malaya, You made a great point. Once again, like I've said before you have quite a few haters and it's the same people all the time LOL. No need to leave the thread GIRL!
Lol! Well you said it.
Glad you noticed.
^some people need to get off malaya taylers nuts asap.
It's Malaya Taylor thank you.
bigmarv
08-13-2010, 04:34 PM
Apparently, at the club I danced at last night guys expect to be able to touch all over you for 10 bucks. Fuck that noise.
Well at least I'm smart enough to generously tip such exceptional service. :)
Are they letting their guard down for the sake of quick cash, or am I just too irresistible to pass up? ;) I'm sure it is the latter }:D
FBR
Athenathefabulous
08-14-2010, 04:47 AM
Thankyou very much! And yes, the blues have done an excellent job with honest answers and I totally understand your entire messg! However, to clarify I wasnt posting my comment for anyone to clarify proper 'undercover terminology' as I am very aware and do not need to be a pro to properly understand nor was my purpose to turn this thread into a pro/con extras thread or a pro extra thread! The actual purpose of posting was because while reading the different posts on this thread like everyone else who post I commented on what crossed my mind ..which is whether or not the females who 'so freely' give or sale extras ever think of this person as being someone other than a regular customer! My post was not for my own justification! In fact Im fine if no one was to ever reply! In fact I hope that maybe the next time someone does an extra to a possible undercover they think of this post and think twice just in case the cust is undercover! Also, no offense to the ppl convo escort pricing! But, I also dont c a problem with my post which is relevant to the topic especially when no one is complaining about a 1 - 2 page conversation on escort pricing which is totally irrelevant to extras in a club if you really want to address staying on topic!
the escort prices are quite relevant because one of theoretical advantages to turning tricks inside the club is you can charge more than the local escorts. a lot of guys seem to be willing to spend more to get a dancer OTC because it is forbidden fruit than they would on an escort which is not forbidden fruit.
rick pretty much hit the nail on the head in regards to why i thought your post was off topic. in the OP i specifically said i didnt want this to be an are extras ok? thread, i wanted things related to what the prices of extras are and the factors that affect the prices. these factors include location, specific club, and even the local laws etc... a post about how the law enforcement affected the prices would have been more relevant. there are lots of other threads on why girls risk doing extras even in with the prospect of undercovers as well as how they spot undercovers (this is worth researching for everyone, because often undercovers can bust you for really trivial shit. even if you arent doing what you would consider extras you might still be able to get in trouble), so i didnt want this thread to be one of those.
in regards to the law enforcement affecting prices- something interesting that mortalman alerted me to-- i guess in el paso a law fairly similar to the one in houston (6 ft away when nude i believe) was passed. except for whatever reason it somehow cleaned it up here, while it had the opposite effect on houston. strange how in once city it actually motivates the clubs to get cleaner, while in another city the realization that a nude lapdance will get you in about as much trouble as a handjob lead to rampant extras. although actually i would need to look up to see if in El P any violation of the law is blanketed under the same penalty as prostitution...
Kylea2
08-14-2010, 01:06 PM
Malaya, I believe Amy's website is the one I mentioned in another thread...she requires membership to her website before seeing clients I believe.
malayataylor
08-14-2010, 01:08 PM
Malaya, I believe Amy's website is the one I mentioned in another thread...she requires membership to her website before seeing clients I believe.
Yes she is very smart. I think she makes most of her money from her site memberships ($100 a month). That is just brilliant.
Golden_Rule
08-14-2010, 07:11 PM
Why would I go from $400 an hour to 2k an hour? That would be a very dumb business move. A smart business woman gives herself a raise as her reviews grow $50-$150 increments at a time. Honey this is just how the business works.
Yes, except this isn't exactly how the internet hooking business works.
What you describe would be the case if vast lumps of clients willing to pay a wide range of fees all existed in the same strata but that isn't the case.
In the web based prostitution business model the clients exist in well defined strata. To simplify it you have low rung types seeking information on down-low parties and street hustlers not looking to pay over $100 for services, mid-rung types looking in the $200-$300/hour range, the upper rung types looking at $400-$600/hr and then you get the smallest group on the public boards, the whales [at least whales as they would define them]. At least small when speaking about actual posting. They don't post much because anytime they speak about one of their experiences before the various other assembled rungs on the boards the rest of the bally-hoo chime in with rants about, "Your crazy. Sex shouldn't cost that much, etc, etc, etc."
Then there are the underground boards where the real high rollers dwell.
The thing of it is that if you market yourself within a single strata when you give yourself that raise you are talking about because your reviews were good you price yourself out of what that strata is willing to pay. You wind up having to start all over with a new group of johns who know very little about it.
Its like a race horse moving up in class. You have to race against a whole new bunch of fillies.
That is one of the reasons that to solve that problem a lot of "webscorts" actually run multiple sites, with different assumed names, appealing to various strata within the client population all simultaneously.
Golden_Rule
08-14-2010, 07:18 PM
I'm starting to feel left out. Never been offered extras of the sort described. There are plenty of escort options in Colorado, but I've never seen this in the clubs I've frequented. Including NM and KS. I've not asked, either. (Maybe I'm just too old and ugly, but if it's only about money, that shouldn't matter.)
It may only be a function of the clubs. Or maybe the dancers I've frequented. Except for one private dance session that did NOT involve extras, I've met dancers OTC, but never for sex. Only for lunch, snack, coffee. Other refreshments were not on the menu.
Well it is illegal you know. :)
Generally, if you are not asking few are selling. It is something you have to seek out unless you are a trusted regular that some dancer [mid-lower range club] or VIP room manager/hostess, floor manager [higher end clubs] feels might be interested. Then you might get "felt out", so to speak.
I am not exaggerating when I state that I've found major extras [meaning oral sex and actual intercourse] available in the better mid-range mainstream clubs of NYC, NY, NJ, PA, CT, LA, [where there are signs everywhere stating that prostitution is against the law and violators will be prosecuted, yadda-yadda-yadda]. In south FLA, RI [especially Providence, though things are changing there], Montreal, and several other vicinities it just falls in your lap. You don't have to seek. If you even remotely look like you can afford it, they'll ask you.
Golden_Rule
08-14-2010, 08:22 PM
I guarantee you extras in Colorado do occur..
Denver, Aspen, you betcha.
There are areas in Colorado like Fort Collins though, where there is only one S-C I know about within 30 miles of the place. Totally clean club as too. One of the few I have experienced.
Imagine that. I college town with no strip-clubs. :) Actually its one of the reasons I dig the place.
But how do the 'Extra" girls not kno that they are dealing with an under cover officer!
Bad risk vs. reward analysis, plain and simple.
Dancers don't need to sell me though. I admit I get extras in S-C's from time to time* but I do, and I mean totally, agree that S-C's and bordellos ought to be two separate things.
*in fact with me its far less about the sex and far more to do with having fun bending the rules a bit [with the right partner in crime, of course] and getting away with it. The fact that its becoming sort of a regular bit of business in strip-clubs is actually ruining extras for me. What fun is it bending rules that aren't really being enforced?
lopaw
08-14-2010, 08:25 PM
I'll share my experience today.
I actually thought about this thread for a second when I first walked into the club, wondering what my experience would be like.
(Maybe this also ought to go on the TR thread.)
Stopped by a club this afternoon that I frequent roughly once a month. It's a nude club in a blue collar neighborhood. Clean & professionally run, but hardly upscale. I arrive and am surprised to see that I do not recognize any of the approx. 8 dancers working. I grab a seat and within 2 minutes I'm approached by a dancer I've never seen before. I'm whisked off to the not-so-private dance area for a 3-for-$40 nude dance special. By end of first song my boobies are set free (not surprising). By middle of the second song there is major grope-age down my pants (whoa!). By end of third song, the act is complete. I give the gal $40 plus a $20 tip. I go back to my seat. I am approached 3 more times by three more new-to-me dancers and the scenario is pretty much repeated each time.
So....we have 4 seperate encounters, @ $60 a pop (pun intended), for a total of
$240 for 4 (female) handjobs.
I'm not sure what (if anything) you can take away from this, Athena. If nothing else it cemented in my mind the ease/expectation of extras in today's market, at least in my neck of the woods.
rickdugan
08-14-2010, 08:35 PM
Denver, Aspen, you betcha.
There are areas in Colorado like Fort Collins though, where there is only one S-C I know about within 30 miles of the place. Totally clean club as too. One of the few I have experienced.
Imagine that. I college town with no strip-clubs. :) Actually its one of the reasons I dig the place.
Bad risk vs. reward analysis, plain and simple.
Dancers don't need to sell me though. I admit I get extras in S-C's from time to time* but I do, and I mean totally, agree that S-C's and bordellos ought to be two separate things.
*in fact with me its far less about the sex and far more to do with having fun bending the rules a bit [with the right partner in crime, of course] and getting away with it. The fact that its becoming sort of a regular bit of business in strip-clubs is actually ruining extras for me. What fun is it bending rules that aren't really being enforced?
I don't want to turn this into a extras vs. non-extras thread as this is not what Athena was looking for in starting this post, but I think that your comments are a little broad. You have no real way of knowing if extras are happening OTC with some customers in the Fort Collins club. IME there are very few places where regulars can't get OTC action anymore.
I am cool with your preferences - how each man spends his money is his own business alone, but I have seen very few clubs where the siren call of a big cash payment hasn't been taken up by some girl.
Heck, even in the uber local and "clean" club that I hang in betwen travel gigs, there are a few girls that have answered the call.
Golden_Rule
08-14-2010, 08:43 PM
...you seem to think the difference between a 200/hr escort and a 500/hr escort is based on some formula of looks, education, intelligence and sexual skill rather than a case of effective marketing. honestly, i've seen (not personally..yikes) some women that physically look like they have no business charging 500/hr, but they do and i'm sure some guys have no problem paying it. frankly, i think you underestimate the escort and overestimate the clientele.
You are absolutely correct. As I said earlier I know any number of escorts operating in multiple market levels, using different names and websites and reviews, at the same time.
Such a woman may literally go to spend an hour with one client and collect an agreed upon fee of $200/hr and then go right around the corner to another outcall at a different hotel where the john will know her by a different name and he'll be paying $400 for the same hour.
Smokeless
08-14-2010, 11:29 PM
W.r.t. Ft. Collins, GR is quite correct. There's barely any contact (sorry), much less extras. The cops are there (mainly to deal with unruly college kids) all too often. The community is quite conservative. And the gals don't make a lot of cash. Nearly half the dancers I know who dance in Boulder are from Ft. Collins. Because there's more cash in Boulder, and because it's more interesting. Each has worked at the Hunt Club in the Fort, and each gave up because it wasn't worth the trouble.
W.r.t. Aspen, I don't know where the extras will occur. There hasn't been a strip club in or near Aspen for some 20 or 25 years. The last one was an old abandoned western dance saloon just outside Carbondale that had a short-lived run as a strip joint before the naked women were run out of town.
The nearest club is in Grand Junction, about 2-1/2 to 3 hours west. Clubs come and go there, the latest is quite recent. One of our frequent pink visitors was there recently and also reported a heavy LE presence! One would think with so many energy industry workers in western Colorado that there would be a big demand. I'm sure the demand is there, but the politics is way too Puritanical!
The only place you'll find extras in Aspen are from the escorts or at the bar in the Jerome.
malayataylor
08-15-2010, 02:24 AM
You are absolutely correct. As I said earlier I know any number of escorts operating in multiple market levels, using different names and websites and reviews, at the same time.
Such a woman may literally go to spend an hour with one client and collect an agreed upon fee of $200/hr and then go right around the corner to another outcall at a different hotel where the john will know her by a different name and he'll be paying $400 for the same hour.
I have to agree with this. However, The ladies that run their business like this usually don't last too long. My rates have been a "topic" on the Carolina discussion boards a few times. I guess I'm just a snobby/money hungry bitch LOL I just never lower my rates for anyone NEVER. Yes you are absolutely correct there are some ladies that'll have $600 an hour listed as their rate on eros guide and $300 an hour listed on backpage. It's bad business and not fair to the gents and like I said they usually don't last too long or don't work as much.
At my rate I'm having to turn business down because of the excellent reputation that I have in "the community" (Yes I had to brag) I am constantly "searched" for because I post on TER maybe 4-5 times a year (The ladies that constantly post on the advertising section are VERY trashy to me) Just like we screen the clients , a smart hobbyist carefully screens the companion he want to see. If he came across a rate lower than the one on her website of course he'll pay the lower rate right?
I hate to admit this but a lot of backpage /craigslist girls have pimps that explains the high rate on one ad and low rate on the other ads. Honestly mehn some chicks are just shady. I know a girl that has 3 different names 3 different sites and different pics in all of them. One is highend and the others are mid-range .. it's really not fair to the client at all and plus if she's getting more calls on the mid range site then what does that tell her?
I would like to think everyone runs their business like me but they don't. We don't all think a like. I know girls that are wayy more gorgeous than I am than charge $150 an hour and it's mind blowing to me. I see their ads on eros and just want to call em up and say "wtf are you thinking?" but I don't.. lol.. hey ,whatever floats their boat! The gents aren't complaining.
malayataylor
08-15-2010, 02:44 AM
Golden rule, Yes it is how it works.
I'll explain something to you. I have learned that there is no one way to do things in this hobby especially being an independent. I don't necessarily raise my rates every time I get a new review. I raise it whenever the hell I want. If I felt like hmmm $400-$475 is not enough anymore why not charge $600 an hour. Yes I am in Cheapcarolina.. Do you know how many local clients I have as regs ? Plenty .. how many locals write me a week wanting to see me? maybe 4-5. Alot of guys HERE can't afford me and that is awesome. My goal is not to fuck all the Men that Charlotte has to offer but ya betcha If I was to fuck ALL of them I would be PAID! ;)
Most of my clients are from new york/Boston/Vegas.. I usually spend a significant of money advertising in those areas every other month and it pays off. $600 an hour for a quality VIP companion wouldn't phase those men. I had one guy from Boston pay me before his plane touched down because he didn't have ALL his particulars together as far as screening.
Golden Rule, I have one site and I do pretty well for myself. I have no plans to create a new name,new site and start all over again. I have lots of regs here at home. I'm really not losing out on anything. Yes sure a lot of ladies have different sites and all because noone wants to pay their fee per hour.. sucks for them! Read a lot of their reviews and find out why ALOTof their reps have been sent to hell in a hell basket due to bad business practices .. etc...wonder why men say stupid comments like "Sex shouldn't cost that much?" lol
I had a client tell me about one girl that had a few ok reviews on TER and pretty much brought a friend along and the friend sat in his living room and played with his cat while they had ... the session. I thought that was fucking hilarious. Some people are just brain-dead.
I have never once got hate mail from a hobbyist nor have I ever been bashed on the boards for being ridiculously expensive..nope. I have had guys save up for months just to see me and babe there is absolutely nothing wrong with that and even if I'm not about to charge what others are charging because some broke hobbyist can't afford me. i am shocked that my not seeing MOST black guys that contact me having been discussed on the boards.. if anything that's what I check the review boards for ..I don't expect to see a discussion about my rates being too high.It's simple it's either you can afford it or not. Im not going to put a gun to their head if they can't :)
On topic "Extras"' It's just super gross for several reasons. I'm still stuck on the reasons why chicks become dancers and do extras to make their money. The rates I'm reading for a "blow job" "fingering"is pretty absurd. Selling sexual services you're no longer a dancer... you're now a prostitute. Nope I'm an escort YOU'RE now a prostitute. I don't go to hotels saying "Umm no if you want to kiss it's $25...blow job is $65.. .$fingering is $10" We sell our time.. one flat rate and that's not guaranteeing anything :). If a dancers is itching to do extras she needs to drop the act and grab Amanda Brook's book set up a website and become an escort. Why should a woman short change themself like that...? When I was dancing? I kept it strictly dancing. Going OTC with those men wasn't even a thought because I was thinking "oh no im not going to get raped or beaten to death ..no" C'mon think about it ..how do dancers screen these men? you just meet up with them? like that? omg! Almost two years escorting and I've never had a date go wrong or should I say a bad date but I hear about women getting abused all the time and I'm like wtf .. it's because of stupid shit like that. I take extra measures when it comes to my safety sure some might say I'm overreacting no .. i'm not! I don't care how much i felt like I knew a guy I'm not going anywhere with him if I didn't have his particulars. I'd be down for OTC appointments if I had the guy's particulars(personal info) and my laptop to screen him with but that's not the case for dancers. Dancers who do extras should be fired. A dancer is supposed to be a dancer. I even hate when escorts advertise as dancers and provider full service UGH! These men that do these things with these women for $65 do they not think Hmm she probably does this with EVERYONE that comes in here?... I mean sure I understand men think with their penis most of the time but yes yes yes there are men out there that would pay that same chick $1000 for an hour of her time. Don't shortchange yourself ladies. Yes trust me if you're beautiful and intelligent you'd cry for months knowing what you could have been making as an escort opposed to a dancer doing extras :)
Harleigh HellKat
08-15-2010, 02:51 AM
I'd rather be snobby and money hungry than cheap, for damn sure!!
As I've mentioned before, extras in my area are extremely cheap, and it's one of the many reasons that are concreting my decision to leave dancing altogether. I am, as of now, more interested in building passive income while doing something else that builds income as well...and also reaching a broader market than just one tiny club.
Take, for example, my adventures of last night. I almost assaulted a customer, because well... he assaulted me first. You don't spend a lousy 10 bucks on someone then smack them HARD on the ass. I ended up grabbing his face HARD and disciplining him like I would any other childish brute. Extras are expected with a table dance here, one that costs ten dollars... although 'take out' may be more pricey. I've heard anything from 100-1000 quoted. The 1000 girl was mostly just luck I think though.
Anyway, I didn't mean to make this a rant... I have been drinking. But I did want to convey the 'afford-ability' of extras in my area.
malayataylor
08-15-2010, 03:23 AM
I'd rather be snobby and money hungry than cheap, for damn sure!!
As I've mentioned before, extras in my area are extremely cheap, and it's one of the many reasons that are concreting my decision to leave dancing altogether. I am, as of now, more interested in building passive income while doing something else that builds income as well...and also reaching a broader market than just one tiny club.
Take, for example, my adventures of last night. I almost assaulted a customer, because well... he assaulted me first. You don't spend a lousy 10 bucks on someone then smack them HARD on the ass. I ended up grabbing his face HARD and disciplining him like I would any other childish brute. Extras are expected with a table dance here, one that costs ten dollars... although 'take out' may be more pricey. I've heard anything from 100-1000 quoted. The 1000 girl was mostly just luck I think though.
Anyway, I didn't mean to make this a rant... I have been drinking. But I did want to convey the 'afford-ability' of extras in my area.
LOL! EXACTLY! Harleigh, at dinner when we were talking about guam and how guys were able to buy dancers out? C'mon I'd be so damn expensive the majority of them would be like "Hell no you can stay your ass here!" HAHHAHAAHA and even with the guy that had the money to buy me out with I'd still require him to show me his ID and you bet I would make a copy of it, call up a friend letting them know WHO i was with and THEN leave the club with him. Being in the business I'm in a lot of guys think ooh just pay her more than her fee and she'll do you/do anything with you/let you do anything to her.. PLEASE! There's always in a for a BIG surprise!
Funny a guy pays you $10 and thinks he can smack your ass like that... Hmmmm.. I would have went bat shit nuts on him. Like $10 seriously WOW! Sorry you had to go through that hun. Some guys are too bold these days. If you really want to see some crazy shit go to Carousel on S. Blvd...OMG! My bf and I went as custies and had a blast well go figure! $5 dances ALL THE TIME although The girls there are all so GHETTO and well.. just go see yourself ..it changed my life for sure .. LOL! I just KNEW I didn't want to be associated with those kinda chicks..
Harleigh HellKat
08-15-2010, 03:38 AM
Trust me. I DID go bat shit crazy on him. I got mad respect from the other bouncers/customers though! I was in this adrenaline rush zone. Once I disciplined him like that... he was putty lol! Such a weak little man trying to play big boy games hehehe.
I second you about being 'bought out'. If I were to ever do that I'd be like... ok 1k please!
I have never been to Carousel but I've heard stories. You should see TP and Crazy Horse though! YUCK. The majority of Charlotte clubs are very low end... even though the sites try to look 'high end'. Oh, and you should read the reviews of the actual 'high end' clubs here... I steer customers away from them because of CC fraud and bait and switch scams. Of the two 'high end' clubs I wouldn't recommend either.
I'll share my experience today.
I actually thought about this thread for a second when I first walked into the club, wondering what my experience would be like.
(Maybe this also ought to go on the TR thread.)
Stopped by a club this afternoon that I frequent roughly once a month. It's a nude club in a blue collar neighborhood. Clean & professionally run, but hardly upscale. I arrive and am surprised to see that I do not recognize any of the approx. 8 dancers working. I grab a seat and within 2 minutes I'm approached by a dancer I've never seen before. I'm whisked off to the not-so-private dance area for a 3-for-$40 nude dance special. By end of first song my boobies are set free (not surprising). By middle of the second song there is major grope-age down my pants (whoa!). By end of third song, the act is complete. I give the gal $40 plus a $20 tip. I go back to my seat. I am approached 3 more times by three more new-to-me dancers and the scenario is pretty much repeated each time.
So....we have 4 seperate encounters, @ $60 a pop (pun intended), for a total of
$240 for 4 (female) handjobs.
I'm not sure what (if anything) you can take away from this, Athena. If nothing else it cemented in my mind the ease/expectation of extras in today's market, at least in my neck of the woods.
Your post is relevant to the thread but if you wanted to tweak and repost in the TR section that would be cool but not required. Hasn't been much activity there lately.
I wanted to add a further thought which I know is off topic. I admit not knowing how things work with female customers but your mileage was pretty astounding and achieved with relative ease. This sort of got me to wondering if, other things being equal, dancers are more comfortable with initiating extras with a female customer as opposed to a male customer. I assume these four ladies were not strongly bi or lesbian, just your average dancers. Might be a topic unto itself if you wanted to start one :)
FBR
lopaw
08-15-2010, 01:21 PM
Your post is relevant to the thread but if you wanted to tweak and repost in the TR section that would be cool but not required. Hasn't been much activity there lately.
I wanted to add a further thought which I know is off topic. I admit not knowing how things work with female customers but your mileage was pretty astounding and achieved with relative ease. This sort of got me to wondering if, other things being equal, dancers are more comfortable with initiating extras with a female customer as opposed to a male customer. I assume these four ladies were not strongly bi or lesbian, just your average dancers. Might be a topic unto itself if you wanted to start one :)
FBR
You're right, FBR - none of the dancers were lesbian to the best of my knowledge. I assume that most dancers are bi - but whether any of these ladies were is unknown.
You gave me a great idea for a new topic. Thanx!
LOL
I pm'd you my professional site just so you can see for yourself FBR :)
Wouldn't make it public knowledge on sw of course.
Indeed you did. My eyeball juices are still boiling and to be perfectly honest after viewing your pics and subsequently noticing my resultant penile reaction, I am shocked. My loins have been quiet for so long. I haven't had such robust wood in decades. I mean, I feel like I am 30 again ;) .
FBR
You gave me a great idea for a new topic. Thanx!
I was hoping you would start a new thread on that subject. You are uniquely qualified in Blue to be knowledgeable ;D
FBR
malayataylor
08-15-2010, 01:41 PM
Indeed you did. My eyeball juices are still boiling and to be perfectly honest after viewing your pics and subsequently noticing my resultant penile reaction, I am shocked. My loins have been quiet for so long. I haven't had such robust wood in decades. I mean, I feel like I am 30 again ;) .
FBR
Hahahaha awwww
This made my day! :-) ;D;D
Golden_Rule
08-15-2010, 05:57 PM
I don't want to turn this into a extras vs. non-extras thread as this is not what Athena was looking for in starting this post, but I think that your comments are a little broad. You have no real way of knowing if extras are happening OTC with some customers in the Fort Collins club. IME there are very few places where regulars can't get OTC action anymore.
I am cool with your preferences - how each man spends his money is his own business alone, but I have seen very few clubs where the siren call of a big cash payment hasn't been taken up by some girl.
Heck, even in the uber local and "clean" club that I hang in betwen travel gigs, there are a few girls that have answered the call.
The reason for the differential in my take on it is that OTC for straight forward cash payment aren't "extras" and thus isn't what Athena was talking about and not the subject of this thread. What we are talking about here are sex acts inside the club.
And I stopped doing the big cash thing because there is no challenge in it. Any mope with a handful of hundreds can get laid in your average mid-level mainstream club now-days. Any tool with a few bucks can get the same with much less money at the lower end of the scale.
It takes a little game to do it all with just a little more then a smile, a sense of humor, a little gaul and guile AND leave them smiling and willing to see you again next time you come back to the club. }:D
W.r.t. Ft. Collins, GR is quite correct. There's barely any contact (sorry), much less extras. The cops are there (mainly to deal with unruly college kids) all too often. The community is quite conservative. And the gals don't make a lot of cash. Nearly half the dancers I know who dance in Boulder are from Ft. Collins. Because there's more cash in Boulder, and because it's more interesting. Each has worked at the Hunt Club in the Fort, and each gave up because it wasn't worth the trouble.
W.r.t. Aspen, I don't know where the extras will occur. There hasn't been a strip club in or near Aspen for some 20 or 25 years. The last one was an old abandoned western dance saloon just outside Carbondale that had a short-lived run as a strip joint before the naked women were run out of town.
The nearest club is in Grand Junction, about 2-1/2 to 3 hours west. Clubs come and go there, the latest is quite recent. One of our frequent pink visitors was there recently and also reported a heavy LE presence! One would think with so many energy industry workers in western Colorado that there would be a big demand. I'm sure the demand is there, but the politics is way too Puritanical!
The only place you'll find extras in Aspen are from the escorts or at the bar in the Jerome.
I don't doubt you on anything you said above.
My last personal experience with the Aspen crowd was almost two decades ago. I hate the place. Its so friggin' plastic and phony.
I love visiting Ft Collins because, aside from the obvious beauty of the area [I love horseback riding up on Devil's Backbone and Horse Tooth] its just so damn restful. The lack of strip-clubs adds to that. Though it is also the lack of a strip-club scene that would keep me from actually living there. :)
Golden_Rule
08-15-2010, 06:17 PM
Golden Rule, I have one site and I do pretty well for myself. I have no plans to create a new name,new site and start all over again.
I think you may of missed my point in regard to the specific post you are replying to.
In that post I was not suggesting that if you move your price point you would have to start with a new site, name, etc. It has nothing to do with you.
What I said was that the internet based clients exist in strata. Numerical denominations they are reluctant to move from. So if you do really well in the $200-$300/hr strata and decide to raise your fee over $400/hr because of your great reviews many of those clients won't come with you. What you find yourself in then is dealing with the new strata you've moved into where your previous reputation is unknown to them. You are, in essence, starting from scratch.
As I said, like a race horse moving up in class. You did real well in the old class, but now in this new class you wind up having to prove yourself all over again.
Golden_Rule
08-15-2010, 06:23 PM
I wanted to add a further thought which I know is off topic. I admit not knowing how things work with female customers but your mileage was pretty astounding and achieved with relative ease. This sort of got me to wondering if, other things being equal, dancers are more comfortable with initiating extras with a female customer as opposed to a male customer.
FBR
Why do you think my wing "men" are almost always women? }:D
malayataylor
08-15-2010, 06:26 PM
I think you may of missed my point in regard to the specific post you are replying to.
In that post I was not suggesting that if you move your price point you would have to start with a new site, name, etc. It has nothing to do with you.
What I said was that the internet based clients exist in strata. Numerical denominations they are reluctant to move from. So if you do really well in the $200-$300/hr strata and decide to raise your fee over $400/hr because of your great reviews many of those clients won't come with you. What you find yourself in then is dealing with the new strata you've moved into where your previous reputation is unknown to them. You are, in essence, starting from scratch.
As I said, like a race horse moving up in class. You did real well in the old class, but now in this new class you wind up having to prove yourself all over again.
Yes I totally missed your point and Yes you are correct. However, I don't see anything moving up the ladder so to speak.. and catering to a new class. I never charge my regs the new rate that is just bad business. Why pay $475 an hour for something you've already had for $400? Doesn't make sense to me. !
And yes I know you are not referring to me. We've never been out on a date so there's not much you can say ... lol!!!
Why do you think my wing "men" are almost always women? }:D Well, I don't know as I have never had a wing man. But if I did have one I certainly wouldn't want that person to be a female including Lopaw. I mean, she gets way more mileage than me and would probably cockblock me (figuratively speaking) at every turn }:D
FBR
Chili Palmer
08-15-2010, 07:57 PM
I never charge my regs the new rate that is just bad business. Why pay $475 an hour for something you've already had for $400? Doesn't make sense to me.
Reminds me of one of my favorite adult actresses from the 1990s, Domonique Simone. Used to visit her regularly at we euphemistically called the "Silverlake house" where any number of porno actresses from that era worked regularly. Cost was $250, and it was the best value in town (Holly Body, Veronica Brazil and many others worked the place, too).
Years later, I was at a private party at the Sheraton in the CoI and she showed up (with a smokin' hot, very young friend). It took a bit, but she finally remember seeing me and said, "I cost a lot more now" (her eros rates were around $700). I chuckled, and said, "Not for me." $700 may very well have been her true value, but I wasn't going to pay almost triple her original price.
CP
Golden_Rule
08-15-2010, 09:34 PM
Yes I totally missed your point and Yes you are correct. However, I don't see anything moving up the ladder so to speak.. and catering to a new class. I never charge my regs the new rate that is just bad business. Why pay $475 an hour for something you've already had for $400? Doesn't make sense to me. !
Ok then we are on the same page, so to speak. And as to the latter, I totally concur.
Golden_Rule
08-15-2010, 10:12 PM
Well, I don't know as I have never had a wing man. But if I did have one I certainly wouldn't want that person to be a female including Lopaw. I mean, she gets way more mileage than me and would probably cockblock me (figuratively speaking) at every turn }:D
FBR
I don't know, I think being at a S-C with Lopaw would probably be a blast.
I like watching the parade as much as I like being in it and its fun to see how differently the dancers behave with another woman, especially another dancer, then with the guys.
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Related side story: There was this madam of one of the bigger NYC agencies I use to hang with. I was never a customer of hers. Totally outside any jurisdiction of mine and therefore safe for me to associate with if I kept it quiet. I dug her solely because she was a blast to hang out with, nothing else. Both of us knew we could trust the other not to be looking for favors is what I am driving at.
Pretty woman. Use to be an escort herself before she owned agencies. We were just friends with occasional benefits [she liked men for friends and women for sex - but she fancied a penis every now and then if she liked a guy and felt she could trust him], but she loved going to the strip-clubs.
She absolutely was one of those women who thinks like a man. Always said it about herself. When she was in her "I'm in the mood for a woman" mode it was truly fun to watch her cross swords, so to speak, with the dancers. Awe inspiring actually. Being in the wake of all that sexual energy wasn't a bad place to be in either. The things she got dancers to do in the VIP just because was never short of AMAZING! No drugs. No huge money [just fun tipping]. She set the pace and we weren't buying a good time, but drawing in fellow fun seekers. Somehow she knew just what buttons to push, get them all worked up, and *BOOM* instant partners in crime.
She's retired too now [we both retired around the same time, her just before me, funny enough] and she moved down to Florida. I only get to see her when I get down her way or she comes up to the city. I miss her, to be candid. That gal knows how to party.
I don't know Lopaw but I get the feeling from her own words that she's a lot like that.
What do you say Lopaw... are you like that? :)
Smokeless
08-15-2010, 11:00 PM
Why do you think my wing "men" are almost always women? }:D
It's always useful for good will and almost always entertaining to sit with a dancer friend at the stage (on the customer side of the stage). Before the dancer on stage gets to me, I place a tip in front of my friend. Things always start happening that would never happen with a male customer!
Smokeless
08-15-2010, 11:01 PM
Well, I don't know as I have never had a wing man. But if I did have one I certainly wouldn't want that person to be a female including Lopaw. I mean, she gets way more mileage than me and would probably cockblock me (figuratively speaking) at every turn }:D
FBR
Not necessarily.
Lopaw, you visiting Boulder any time soon?
Kylea2
08-15-2010, 11:06 PM
^^^ Do you really need a partner in crime?