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laurcon
08-15-2010, 11:27 PM
LOL I bet she really could make extra money if after allowing him to suck her toes and cover them with his saliva (and assuming she is flexible) she would insert her toes into her moist vajayjay and then allow the customer to slowly suck up her juices toe by toe. I mean, I think that would be pretty hot.

FBR

Flexible and short. I'm totally bendy but I just checked my legs are too long for this to work. Good luck with that and learn that the word "moist" is gross!

laurcon
08-15-2010, 11:33 PM
Ashley Dupre had connections. The agency she worked for had an A-list clientelle that included senators, CEOs, rockstars, celebrities, jet-setters, etc. So yeah, all the agency had to do was market her to the clients they already had - easy to do. But how is an indie escort going to compete with a powerful and well-connected agency? I'm saying the indie escort has to be able to impress people who are extremely hard to impress, and not by talking about the latest GaGa CD. In my opinion - a woman would have to be uber glamorous and sophisticated to justify more than $500 per hour. I would have to feel like I'm fucking a real royal princess to pay $1,000 or more for an hour.

Well guys pay 1k/hr all the time at my club to not fuck me, and constantly offer me several grand to do so. You might need to fuck a royal princess to pay that rate, but that's not all men obviously.
That being said, there are a ton of extras that go on at my club obviously. But guys also do pay extra in tipping the host and the girl(s). And its not necessary for the extras to happen for this price to be paid, it can and does happen without jizzing all the time.

*oh wait, I just re-read your post and were saying a well-connected agency vs and indie escort... and my club would be more like that agency that attracts "jet-setters." So that might be the motivation for extras girls, that they couldn't meet those types of guys on their own.... Oh wait, maybe this is what the thread already said, perhaps I should read it better! :)

laurcon
08-15-2010, 11:43 PM
On topic: The "Extra prices" are just hilarious to me. It's like why do these women do that to themselves. Why would you fuck a guy at a club for x amount of money? Even if a guy gave me 1k I would not fuck him in the VIP room .. There is a time and place for everything and that is not the place. The whole extras thing makes me so mad. Those same women fucking/sucking for an extra $100 , are the same women that swear they'll never become an escort ... I'm thinking how dumb can you be! You're making $100 for a bj and I'm making $475 an hour flat fee.. Hell let's be real here, even if I went on a call and the guy said .. "Oh I just want a handjob" Sure sir It's still $475.. You're paying for my time .. the sex is free! LOL!


Well what if the deal is you're making $500/hr for your time, then offered 1k for a blow job and encouraged to do so by the staff that was tipped several hundred by the customer and the club that is making another $500/hr on that room? And you know if you don't, you'll be kicked out of the room and another girl will quickly and easily take your place and maybe do it for less. Its not always girls doing it against anyone's knowledge for 20 bucks ya know. I'm not saying that its justified to do it at all just because its more money, only saying sometimes its not so easy to snub your nose at it. For some people at least, at some points in their life.

malayataylor
08-16-2010, 04:04 AM
Well what if the deal is you're making $500/hr for your time, then offered 1k for a blow job and encouraged to do so by the staff that was tipped several hundred by the customer and the club that is making another $500/hr on that room? And you know if you don't, you'll be kicked out of the room and another girl will quickly and easily take your place and maybe do it for less. Its not always girls doing it against anyone's knowledge for 20 bucks ya know. I'm not saying that its justified to do it at all just because its more money, only saying sometimes its not so easy to snub your nose at it. For some people at least, at some points in their life.

Laurcon, I would turn it down because I have more sense than that to have sex in a club or to offer sexual services at a strip club. If they were actually buying me out I would agree BUT like I explained earlier I would have to have some info about the guy to leave the club with him just for my safety. Hmm how many guys would go for this when they're so used to girls seeing money and saying "Ok I'll go with ya!!!" Not me, Sex in the club.. I don't care how nice the club is.. is very tacky. I personally would NOT do it but I think it's comical for dancers to engage in sexual acts for such low prices.. what I am saying is If they're going to go down like that they might as well be charging a flat hourly fee and not "$40 buck and I'll give you a 15 minute blowjob" For some people it's a way of life.. sure.. all power to them but Laurcon, Like I said before I live a lot larger than most people my age $40 here and there , $100 cannot do anything for me at all.

I know some hookers in canada that have sex in cars. They do car calls and my initial reaction is :O:O:O How the hell can you do that.. that is just so GROSS! They explain then I understand that not everyone is going to think the way I do. I prefer to be wined and dined first then engage in sex in a comfy, nice house or 4-5 star hotel room. I will never understand having sex in the club but for those that do it if you're going to do it you shoudn't be coming home complaining there is no money in the club or that you can barely make rent.

Trust me If I gave someone a blow-job Laurcon or for me to allow someone to finger me (This is not in my job description btw.. i get paid for my time lol), I would come home with my utilities paid for the month and almost half of my rent. So please to all the extras dancers out there: If you're sucking dick or whatever and you're doing and you're complaining that you're not making enough money.. you didn't suck his dick right... or you simply need to charge more. Just saying!

malayataylor
08-16-2010, 04:19 AM
Well guys pay 1k/hr all the time at my club to not fuck me, and constantly offer me several grand to do so. You might need to fuck a royal princess to pay that rate, but that's not all men obviously.
That being said, there are a ton of extras that go on at my club obviously. But guys also do pay extra in tipping the host and the girl(s). And its not necessary for the extras to happen for this price to be paid, it can and does happen without jizzing all the time.

Laurcon,

You'll have to ignore the statement Jack made because he is clueless. He should research the market first. If he wants to fuck a royal princess he could for about 15k an hour. What is 1k? Seriously. My clients would wipe their ass with it. It's only guys that can't come up with such money that make silly remarks like "Oh she better give a damn good blowjob" or "She better fuck me till my head falls off" or "She better be well educated, refined, well traveled" bla bla bla bla bull! There is so much money out here it's fucking ridiculous.

For example: My girlfriend used to be an extras dancer and was one of those girls that would fuck for $70-$150 and now she's pulling $500 an hour in LA (her home base) working as an high end escort. She was in Boston two weeks ago for work and was boasting earnings of 6k a week. This girl is an ebony bbw pretty but I won't say gorg. Do you think she's trying to work as a dancer again? umm noo. So it's not about being well traveled , cultured and bla bla.. even though a lot of us are well educated or else we wouldn't be able to do this and without PI, screening skills and pretty much dodge LE LOL! Some guys have 500 other don't. Some guys have 12k for the hour.. a lot don't. I Just hate when guys complain because it only means they can't afford it.. I'm just thinking "You really should be trying to find someone you can afford than complain".

To be honest with you.. If I were a were a guy (I imagine Id be financially stable).. I would pay that $100 fee to access amy taylor's site amytaylor.com and pay whatever she wanted me to pay her just to see her. Oh yeah I'd call up Laynie Harper too so we can all have a 3 some. I mean I'd so screw the shit outta them.. They're just too fucking HOT!;D

rickdugan
08-16-2010, 05:12 AM
I'll share my experience today.Stopped by a club this afternoon that I frequent roughly once a month. It's a nude club in a blue collar neighborhood. Clean & professionally run, but hardly upscale. I arrive and am surprised to see that I do not recognize any of the approx. 8 dancers working. I grab a seat and within 2 minutes I'm approached by a dancer I've never seen before. I'm whisked off to the not-so-private dance area for a 3-for-$40 nude dance special. By end of first song my boobies are set free (not surprising). By middle of the second song there is major grope-age down my pants (whoa!). By end of third song, the act is complete. I give the gal $40 plus a $20 tip. I go back to my seat. I am approached 3 more times by three more new-to-me dancers and the scenario is pretty much repeated each time.

So....we have 4 seperate encounters, @ $60 a pop (pun intended), for a total of
$240 for 4 (female) handjobs.

In one casual moment you posted a story more salacious in its reading than anything most blues (including me) could ever post. *sigh* Between this, the "OTC for the cost of dinner" post and the "Latina chasing you with a stilleto heel" imagery, all of which I'm sure are the tip of the iceberg, I feel humbled and very much look forward to future stories ;D

Redwolf
08-16-2010, 09:12 AM
$150 + tip each for 2 girls for FS safe for a total of $350-400. Same two girls for BBBJCIM for one (other no) is about 2/3 that.

I imagine that all the blues that state that they only do OTC have at some time had ITC. That was probably enough for them to say, "From now on, if and only if, OTC." At least, that is where I am at.

malayataylor
08-16-2010, 09:20 AM
$150 + tip each for 2 girls for FS safe for a total of $350-400. Same two girls for BBBJCIM for one (other no) is about 2/3 that.

I imagine that all the blues that state that they only do OTC have at some time had ITC. That was probably enough for them to say, "From now on, if and only if, OTC." At least, that is where I am at.

I wouldn't engage in bbjcim/bbjtc if I was paid a million dollars. That is just too gross for me to be doing to random people (funny coming from me eh.. yes I have boundaries). More power to those chicks.

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Thanks for the pm. Very sweet :)

FBR
08-16-2010, 05:48 PM
I don't know, I think being at a S-C with Lopaw would probably be a blast.
I was kidding. Notice the smiley.


Not necessarily.

Lopaw, you visiting Boulder any time soon?
I was kidding. Notice the smiley.

FBR

FBR
08-16-2010, 05:50 PM
Flexible and short. I'm totally bendy but I just checked my legs are too long for this to work. Good luck with that and learn that the word "moist" is gross! Seriously, you didn't try this, did you?

FBR

FBR
08-16-2010, 06:14 PM
$150 + tip each for 2 girls for FS safe for a total of $350-400. Same two girls for BBBJCIM for one (other no) is about 2/3 that.

I imagine that all the blues that state that they only do OTC have at some time had ITC. That was probably enough for them to say, "From now on, if and only if, OTC." At least, that is where I am at. Obviously OTC can only follow ITC. Me personally, I tend to focus and spend the most money on ladies that I hope to finagle while still enjoying and paying for some ITC time with other dancers whom I know would reject my offer if presented. On the other hand I believe many if not most of the boys here have a clearer delineation of the boundaries than I do and are perfectly happy with their club mileage and are content to seek outside activities elsewhere.

FBR

lopaw
08-16-2010, 07:34 PM
Lol you fellow blues are a hoot!


To answer GR's question - yes, I can see alot of myself in the way you describe your friend. My experiences in clubs runs the gamut from the surreal to the sublime. Sometimes I wish that I could record some of my encounters, and afterwards I'm extremely thankful that I couldn't!


Ironically, just as my exploits seem to be peaking in terms of extra play ITC, I'm finding that I'm getting bored with the club scene again. Perhaps it's time for a break to re-vamp and re-vitalize :'(

FBR
08-16-2010, 07:55 PM
Ironically, just as my exploits seem to be peaking in terms of extra play ITC, I'm finding that I'm getting bored with the club scene again. Perhaps it's time for a break to re-vamp and re-vitalize :'( Breaks are a good thing as strippers can wear us down.

FBR

Smokeless
08-16-2010, 08:15 PM
^^^ Do you really need a partner in crime?

I can usually handle things myself, but sometimes a wing "man" is handy and makes it interesting.

yoda57us
08-16-2010, 09:31 PM
Ironically, just as my exploits seem to be peaking in terms of extra play ITC, I'm finding that I'm getting bored with the club scene again. Perhaps it's time for a break to re-vamp and re-vitalize :'(

Breaks are good. Every once in a while the bad parts of the sc experience overcome the good parts for me and I just stop going for a while. Sometimes it's a few weeks, sometimes a few months. At one point a few years ago when I had two or three escort favs all going at the same time I stayed away from cubs for almost a year. When I get the urge to go back it's because it feels like it will be fun again...and it always is!

beckatron
08-16-2010, 09:39 PM
Why would I go from $400 an hour to 2k an hour? That would be a very dumb business move. A smart business woman gives herself a raise as her reviews grow $50-$150 increments at a time. Honey this is just how the business works.

P.S I am very well connected and I communicate with providers worldwide. I know a lot of providers at $200 an hour that can't get work due to bad reputation/bad attitudes but as a provider at $400-$475 an hour I have never had a bad week. I cannot complain *knocks on wood*.
Again, You get what you pay for.

$400 to $2000 is a bit much, but $1000 is only a 250% increase... which is what I did when I raised my rates from $250/h to $500-600-ish. I'm not dropdead beautiful, I don't advertise anywhere (including my rate increase), I have NO interest in brandname shoes/dresses/whatever and every day I get at least 10 emails requesting appointments with me.

Having a good reputation with the right people counts for so much more than anything else. What country club you frequent has NOTHING to do with being a wellpaid escort. I bank off longterm regulars for whom a 10k/m commitment for a 'relationship' with me is not only worth it: it's a bargain.

Malaya, clearly you're worth it too - you're stunning, and working in the States where it's illegal you can demand a much higher premium. Frankly, I'm a little surprised you're not charging a lot more. I'd be, and I'm not in your league looks-wise. I agree with Jack in terms of the midrange being overpriced lower range girls: you've got the balls to charge more, why not go all the way? <3

PS. Reading about SC extras is exhausting. Why do girls do this?! There are so much more efficient ways of profiting off one's sex appeal, especially when you're comfortable with a wider menu.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 03:16 AM
$400 to $2000 is a bit much, but $1000 is only a 250% increase... which is what I did when I raised my rates from $250/h to $500-600-ish. I'm not dropdead beautiful, I don't advertise anywhere (including my rate increase), I have NO interest in brandname shoes/dresses/whatever and every day I get at least 10 emails requesting appointments with me.

Not here in the states of course. There are ladies are in the 800 an hour tier and up. Of course we all live different lifestyles. 400-475 an hour for me just make more sense to me according to my lifestyle. I'm pretty sure high end escort live pretty extravagant lives ex.. driving expensive cars, living in lavish condos.. :) I'm in my early 20s. I have met lots of sw'ers and they can tell you how I live I live better than most 40-50 year olds I know. :)


Having a good reputation with the right people counts for so much more than anything else. What country club you frequent has NOTHING to do with being a wellpaid escort. I bank off longterm regulars for whom a 10k/m commitment for a 'relationship' with me is not only worth it: it's a bargain.

Same here. I have a lot of guys that fly in just to see me and some pay my travel expenses and more just to get me in their city. I have more sense than to ruin my rep over a few $$$.


Malaya, clearly you're worth it too - you're stunning, and working in the States where it's illegal you can demand a much higher premium. Frankly, I'm a little surprised you're not charging a lot more. I'd be, and I'm not in your league looks-wise. I agree with Jack in terms of the midrange being overpriced lower range girls: you've got the balls to charge more, why not go all the way? <3

Here are low end escorts in my area:


These are mid range companions:
classyangel (canadian)
texasgoldengirl.com
myvipcompanion.com (canadian)
StephanieofMontreal.com (canadian)

The majority of the girls I listed are canadians.. You really don't see a difference between them and your average street walker/low end escort? I do.

There is nothing low end about Stephanie. btw She's so fucking hot and I'd so do her .. lol! Nothing low about Arianne St Claire or Amanda brooks (escort and author) Have you read her book? You should ask Amanda the difference between a low end and a mid range companion. ;D

We obviously take better care of ourselves and alot of us are ..........REALLY HOT! We're not on backpage offering full service for 100 an hour. We take extra measures when it comes to our safety and screening (We conduct biz just like high end escorts). We don't work out of roach motels.. Our incall locations are usually 4-5 star hotels and We're always impeccably dressed. We don't burn out easy just because we don't work much at all... Trust me I've met some of the Mid range escorts in my area I mean they're just the most level headed,clean/ beautiful people I've ever met. Eh low end not so much. Log on to TER and read the reviews of low end girls... there is a huge difference. The reviews are comical.

As a Mid range escort, I hardly advertise and still get business. I'm not pulling stunts on review boards to get business. I just chill and they come crawling (what a way to toot my own horn). I don't smoke, drink, don't do drugs.. However I do have a mean shoe fetish that I blow a significant amount of money on. Mid range escorts go above and beyond to keep a clean image/appearance.. Ha. My boyfriend and I hired a low end escort before.. and it was a disaster..I won't elaborate.

On subject of rates, The day I feel I am getting average joe blows trying to see me I would raise my rates. I think one of the things that makes this job FUN for me is the type of men I date ;D Yeah they're really awesome! They don't demand much and they're very easy to please. I have regs that would do ANYTHING for me.. Hey I like my men (my men..ha! funny!). Like I told Jack, When my non adult business (still in its early phase) takes off of course I'll charge more but jumping from 400 an hour to 2k is pretty ridiculous. Let me add, I love my job!

Oh and in a city like Charlotte 800 - 2k an hour won't fly but If I were to tour LA, NY or NJ... It would be a different story ;)


PS. Reading about SC extras is exhausting. Why do girls do this?! There are so much more efficient ways of profiting off one's sex appeal, especially when you're comfortable with a wider menu.

On topic: Just like a dancer could get busted couldn't the custy ? Its just the whole sex in the club thing that urks me. It's funny it's the same extra girl that gives head for $75 is the same chick that'll go "EWWWW YOU'RE AN ESCORT HOW DO YOU DO THAT?!?!" lol! Yeah it's pretty funny but you just have to laugh. I just can't imagine myself in a club having sex for $. Again I have dance and maybe because I was so naive I just never thought hey give him a blowjob and you'll make extra $$$. And question does this mean dancers take condoms to work? I hope so, however, When a dancer starts taking condoms to work that should be a clear sign that they need to switch professions.

LOL I will be watching this thread should be interesting.

I have much more respect for the OTC extras dancer. ITC is just tacky. It is just a fucked up thing to do. My bf and I frequent strip clubs.. It's just a horrid thought thinking that the dancer we're buying dances from just got out of a fuck session. At least it is to me.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 03:19 AM
Breaks are good. Every once in a while the bad parts of the sc experience overcome the good parts for me and I just stop going for a while. Sometimes it's a few weeks, sometimes a few months. At one point a few years ago when I had two or three escort favs all going at the same time I stayed away from cubs for almost a year. When I get the urge to go back it's because it feels like it will be fun again...and it always is!

I think you're so awesome! :)

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 03:23 AM
OMG I just saw the most horrible thing on backpage. There was a girl I used to book calls for at 450 an hour. She moved and got on her own and is now taking appointments for 220 an hour? Oh and 100 for 15 minutes??? wow wtf?!?!?! Horrifying! Noone will ever pay 450 an hour again. Totally just devalued herself major fail!

It's funny her tagline is "Exotic Model .... VIP companion" Where is the VIP in all this? anyone can get ahold of 220.. this is just sad :(

yoda57us
08-17-2010, 06:57 AM
I think you're so awesome! :)

My dear, you are making me blush...among other things...;)

yoda57us
08-17-2010, 07:03 AM
OMG I just saw the most horrible thing on backpage. There was a girl I used to book calls for at 450 an hour. She moved and got on her own and is now taking appointments for 220 an hour? Oh and 100 for 15 minutes??? wow wtf?!?!?! Horrifying! Noone will ever pay 450 an hour again. Totally just devalued herself major fail!


I've seen a lot of this over the last few years and I think it's a major marketing mistake. Ladies offering "temporary" discounts to bring in business when it's slow thinking that they can raise their rates back to where they were when things pick up. Well, you can't. Once a guy gets you for half price you will always be half price in his eyes. Guys who never even saw you when you were offering a special will call six months later and remind you of the special and try to get it! I have a few favs that have definitely suffered financially in this economy but they have all stuck to their guns as far as prices go.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 08:46 AM
I've seen a lot of this over the last few years and I think it's a major marketing mistake. Ladies offering "temporary" discounts to bring in business when it's slow thinking that they can raise their rates back to where they were when things pick up. Well, you can't. Once a guy gets you for half price you will always be half price in his eyes. Guys who never even saw you when you were offering a special will call six months later and remind you of the special and try to get it! I have a few favs that have definitely suffered financially in this economy but they have all stuck to their guns as far as prices go.

Well said yoda!

Yeah this is just shocking to me with this one particular girl because definitely not the type at all to command such low rates and she's VERY beautiful, well traveled, refined, well dressed so I am very shocked! I have also offered specials in the past when I first started :-[ Lesson learned quick! This was when I had like 2 reviews on TER but once I started getting more pretty awesome reviews I raised them again and no complaints at all. It was actually the smartest move I've made business-wise but omg.. watching someone go from $475 an hour to $100 for 15 minutes..? yoda that is just horrible! I just stick with my guns and think hey 7-8 dates a month and I'll have bills paid and more money for fun. It's about working smart not hard right? Geesh!

Like at $100 for 15 minutes... she's have to date 10 guys and do god knows what just to make 1k... wowzer!

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 08:53 PM
^^^ Do you really need a partner in crime?

Short answer: No, but it can be a lot of fun. Especially when everyone gets on the same page.

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:07 PM
...now she's pulling $500 an hour in LA (her home base) working as an high end escort.


The thing of it is that the actual high end is no where remotely close to that.

The real high end doesn't have women who work on an hourly basis. The fees are flat rate, all inclusive, and start at $2K and up for an evenings entertainment which might have an hour or two of actual sex in it. Weekends generally go for $10K and up. And those figures are the low end of what the real "high end" is actually about.

These girls you would never see on the web. They don't have websites. They aren't reviewed on public PMB sites. No TER mentions etc.

Its all word of mouth passed among the monied. Its very cliquish. Once a woman gets in she can do very well for herself, but it can end very abruptly. They tend to be a fickle bunch. The best of the best of their number though retire having done very well for themselves. Hell, the stock tips alone are worth huge money.

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:14 PM
I was kidding. Notice the smiley.




I was doing dead pan, but they don't have an emoticon for that. :)

You sure you didn't wallow with eye-2-eye, The Pope, Bob [insert something here] Smyth, Moresuo, Dr Rath, et al on A.S.S-C? You surely would have fit in.

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:22 PM
Lol you fellow blues are a hoot!


To answer GR's question - yes, I can see alot of myself in the way you describe your friend. My experiences in clubs runs the gamut from the surreal to the sublime. Sometimes I wish that I could record some of my encounters, and afterwards I'm extremely thankful that I couldn't!


Ironically, just as my exploits seem to be peaking in terms of extra play ITC, I'm finding that I'm getting bored with the club scene again. Perhaps it's time for a break to re-vamp and re-vitalize :'(

The sabbatical is precisely the tool I use when feeling either under or overwhelmed with S-C scene or commercial sex in general. That includes the boards.

If you noticed, and there is no reason you or anyone else should have, I popped back in after being gone for a bit over five months just a couple of weeks ago.

The break is good to keep one-self centered and prioritized appropriately. ;)

If you do take a respite, when you are done and if you get up NYC way reach out and give a gent a holla... there are a few clubs I'd like to take you to. {biggest friendly and foolish grin}

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 09:40 PM
The thing of it is that the actual high end is no where remotely close to that.

The real high end doesn't have women who work on an hourly basis. The fees are flat rate, all inclusive, and start at $2K and up for an evenings entertainment which might have an hour or two of actual sex in it. Weekends generally go for $10K and up. And those figures are the low end of what the real "high end" is actually about.

These girls you would never see on the web. They don't have websites. They aren't reviewed on public PMB sites. No TER mentions etc.

Its all word of mouth passed among the monied. Its very cliquish. Once a woman gets in she can do very well for herself, but it can end very abruptly. They tend to be a fickle bunch. The best of the best of their number though retire having done very well for themselves. Hell, the stock tips alone are worth huge money.

Sure there are high end escorts that are UTR..But you're trying to tell me there are not TRUE high end escorts online? That's a bunch of bullshit.



Enjoy!

Ooh and this one is not exactly what I'd consider mid-range too. 600 an hour and up is considered high end in the TER world so I've read in the general discussion boards. I don't know what YOU consider high end in this day n age but Mr. Golden Rule I'd suggest you pick up Amanda Brook's book before you start talking nonsense.

Just because a lady dosen't have a set minimum like 2-3 hour minimums,has a website dosen't mean she's not high end dear. We all choose to run our business differently. This is just how it works and please don't tell me it's not because I'm an escort .. You're not or are you hiding something? C'mon!

Ah I also forgot to mention Annie Marie and Agent Provocateuse that boasted a day rate of 12k. They both had sites but they retired. I guess that didn't make them "high end". ::)

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:46 PM
Sure there are high end escorts that are UTR..But you're trying to tell me there are not TRUE high end escorts online? That's a bunch of bullshit.

http://www.pearleliteindependents.com/

Enjoy!

I'm aware of them. Not precisely what I am talking about.

And while their stated prices are "X", I know clients who have booked them for considerably less. I won't go into actual numbers as outing their actual rates over their stated rates would be doing them a disservice.

Nicci had a list like what I am talking about, but the women on it weren't on their website. It was for their "special" clients. Not one of them booking less than $20K for a weekend encounter [at that rate we aren't taking "sessions" anymore].

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 09:57 PM
I'm aware of them. Not precisely what I am talking about.

And while their stated prices are "X", I know clients who have booked them for considerably less. I won't go into actual numbers as outing their actual rates over their stated rates would be doing them a disservice.

Nicci had a list like what I am talking about, but the women on it weren't on their website. It was for their "special" clients. Not one of them booking less than $20K for a weekend encounter [at that rate we aren't taking "sessions" anymore].

I am very good friends with 3 of the ladies listed on Pearl Elites. I know for sure they wouldn't see anyone for less. They have their own businesses/jobs outside of this hobby.

So you're saying that the high end UTR escorts don't see their clients for less? What makes a high end UTR escort better than an escort that chooses to advertise her services online? Interesting as I know UTR escorts that charge significantly lower.

I, myself, have never lowered my rates for ANY of my clients and I'm mid-range. So for you to make such assumption about a group of women without even really knowing is pretty stupid.We're all independents so just because one escort chooses to run her business one way dosen't mean we're all practicing the same.

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 09:58 PM
Ooh and this one http://www.hollyadventures.com/ is not exactly what I'd consider mid-range too. 600 an hour and up is considered high end in the TER world so I've read in the general discussion boards. I don't know what YOU consider high end in this day n age but Mr. Golden Rule I'd suggest you pick up Amanda Brook's book before you start talking nonsense.

Just because a lady dosen't have a set minimum like 2-3 hour minimums,has a website dosen't mean she's not high end dear. We all choose to run our business differently. This is just how it works and please don't tell me it's not because I'm an escort .. You're not or are you hiding something? C'mon!

Ah I also forgot to mention Annie Marie and Agent Provocateuse that boasted a day rate of 12k. They both had sites but they retired. I guess that didn't make them "high end". ::)

First off your post sounds like I got your knickers in a twist. If so I am sorry. I'm not trying to upset anyone, least of all your lovely self.

No, what I am suggesting is a lot like what I suggested about the term "GFE" in another thread. High end means so many things to different people it can be used to define almost anything, and thus means nothing.

The high end I am talking about, as I said, doesn't exist in the "TER world". Its word of mouth and nothing else. Sure it has to do with price, but even if a woman could command $12K day rates its not what I am talking about.

Its a world of very limited invitation and the demand for cache. The men I am referencing, who are these women's clients, would drop an escort like a love note from the lawyers of the SEC if they thought just any guy with $12K and web access could find said woman and hire her.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 10:06 PM
First off your post sounds like I got your knickers in a twist. If so I am sorry. I'm not trying to upset anyone, least of all your lovely self.

No, what I am suggesting is a lot like what I suggested about the term "GFE" in another thread. High end means so many things to different people it can be used to define almost anything, and thus means nothing.

The high end I am talking about, as I said, doesn't exist in he "TER world". Its word of mouth and nothing else. Sure it has to do with price, but even if a woman could command $12K day rates its not what I am referencing.

Its a world of very limited invitation and the demand for cache. The men I am referencing, who are these women's clients, would drop the women I reference like a love note from the lawyers of the SEC if they thought just any guy with $12K and web access could find said woman and hire her.

Well of course, I know there is a hidden underground super exclusive world of high end escorts but you were saying it like UTR escorts were somehow better than ladies that actually advertised their services online. At least that's how I took it.

Totally understand the GFE comment you made in the other thread. You were right. That I agree with but when you say TRUE high end escorts don't even advertise online.. that's just nonsense.

Mr Golden Rule, This is what I do for a living. I'm pretty sure I know just a little bit more than you know about my JOB!

Why would I be upset? I just don't like when a Man tried tells Me about my job. I couldn't tell Armand Chase about his job so why should a guy feel the need to tell me about mine? LOL

Golden_Rule
08-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Well of course, I know there is a hidden underground super exclusive world of high end escorts but you were saying it like UTR escorts were somehow better than ladies that actually advertised their services online. At least that's how I took it.

I don't think any type of provider is better than any other type of provider. In fact it is my experience that once you get past the street hustlers the very best at any given level is capable of providing an experience very similar to any other premium service provider.

To wit: There is a lovely young women who studies at F.I.T. who I met on, of all places, Craig's List casual encounters section. Incredibly attractive woman. Could easily model for a living. She wants to be a buyer when she graduates from F.I.T. She's bright, well read, well spoken, and charming though she lacks in life experience due to her youth. In other words, spectacular arm candy and delightful company.

I've taken her to some of NYC's better dining establishments. Taught her what she didn't know, though she had the basics already, of fine dining, wine selection, etc. On the sexual front she is excellent in the kip. For a 22 year old she has the sexual skills of a woman 10 years older than she. I showed her a minor trick or two I've picked up along the way, which she was very open to and even appreciative. Her fee is a flat $200 plus whatever I pay for dining, theatre, a little shopping, etc. Her best asset is that its all new and a blast to her. She is legitimately having fun.

I have no doubt that if she decides to stay with this once she's had her fill of me she might very well find herself commanding much higher rates elsewhere. It's all a matter of timing though. I just happened to find her at the start of her arch though this business.

I always find it funny when the men I know who are part of this "high end" I allude to talk about their encounters and I know I'm experiencing something very close to the same for much, much, less. Its all a matter of perception though when you boil it down to its essence. They perceive. I perceive. The women in question perceive. As long as everyone is happy with what they got when its all said and done and no one is getting hurt what's the difference? :)



Totally understand the GFE comment you made in the other thread. You were right. That I agree with but when you say TRUE high end escorts don't even advertise online.. that's just nonsense.

Again though, its only the specific "high end" I am talking about that I say doesn't exist online. The 'underground" high end you acknowledged yourself you are aware of.


Mr Golden Rule, This is what I do for a living. I'm pretty sure I know just a little bit more than you know about my JOB!

Why would I be upset? I just don't like when a Man tried tells Me about my job. I couldn't tell Armand Chase about his job http://www.malecourtesan.com/index.php so why should a guy feel the need to tell me about mine? LOL

I'm not telling you anything. I'm simply stating my opinion. I'd ask you to consider the following though:

1) Yes it is true I have never been an escort but...

2) I know this business from more angles then most people ever get to see it.

as a: Client, most assuredly, with experience at most of its levels; but also,

as a: person whose been involved for over two decades in life-style boards including moderating, and running boards that cater to both the average john [above ground] and the johns of the type I reference above for the last five years.

as a: supply sider in the high end, invitation only, parties I manage.

as a: even from the aspect of law enforcement with over two decades experience of this business from that end [retired now, of course].

That's a lot of varied experience from which to pull. Believe me I am [b]not trying to tell you anything but I would point out that I know this business from four ends. You haven't told me otherwise so I have to presume, up to this point, that you know it from only one [albeit I concede a damn important one]. :)

So maybe we can each give each other our due and respect.

I know I'm willing.

malayataylor
08-17-2010, 10:50 PM
As long as everyone is happy with what they got when its all said and done and no one is getting hurt what's the difference? :)





Exactly.

I guess escorts that have been in the business almost a year or more aren't legitemately having fun. Very interesting. You keep grouping everyone into one category and it's just annoying. I'm guessing other providers you've been with were faking it?

Most of the dates I've been on if not all have been very fun.

I will end the convo here. There is no point in going any further
with you since you supposedly know business/escorts more than I do.
:)

laurcon
08-18-2010, 08:32 AM
I've taken her to some of NYC's better dining establishments. Taught her what she didn't know, though she had the basics already, of fine dining, wine selection, etc. On the sexual front she is excellent in the kip. For a 22 year old she has the sexual skills of a woman 10 years older than she. I showed her a minor trick or two I've picked up along the way, which she was very open to and even appreciative. Her fee is a flat $200 plus whatever I pay for dining, theatre, a little shopping, etc. Her best asset is that its all new and a blast to her. She is legitimately having fun.

I have no doubt that if she decides to stay with this once she's had her fill of me she might very well find herself commanding much higher rates elsewhere. It's all a matter of timing though. I just happened to find her at the start of her arch though this business.

I always find it funny when the men I know who are part of this "high end" I allude to talk about their encounters and I know I'm experiencing something very close to the same for much, much, less. Its all a matter of perception though when you boil it down to its essence. They perceive. I perceive. The women in question perceive. As long as everyone is happy with what they got when its all said and done and no one is getting hurt what's the difference? :)


Ya this girl just sounds young and dumb, I can't believe she really goes to F.I.T. If you really are taking her to any of "NYC's better dining establishments" you're paying more for dinner than you are for sex. You say she's having fun, but you don't really know what she's thinking when you're on top of her. I don't understand how she can afford to live in NYC and go to F.I.T and fuck men off of Craigslist for $200 and a steak, but as long as she's having fun right. ::)

malayataylor
08-18-2010, 08:57 AM
Ya this girl just sounds young and dumb, I can't believe she really goes to F.I.T. If you really are taking her to any of "NYC's better dining establishments" you're paying more for dinner than you are for sex. You say she's having fun, but you don't really know what she's thinking when you're on top of her. I don't understand how she can afford to live in NYC and go to F.I.T and fuck men off of Craigslist for $200 and a steak, but as long as she's having fun right. ::)

EXACTLY


I was going to comment on that but i was way too sleepy and just didn't want to go on about it LOL. I didn't even catch the NYC part (that's how sleepy i was) .. eh If I were to even work in NYC my rates would be double what it is now. $200 an hour for a dinner date/sex in NYC? I imagine she lives in her mother's basement/dorm and dosen't have any expenses .. well you liked her.. that was a STEAL!

I wouldn't even let someone WATCH me eat for $300 an hour in NYC ... again some chicks are just brain dead. I agree with laurcon .. how did you know she was enjoying herself ? You were once a psychic too huh Mr Golden rule? :)

Golden_Rule
08-18-2010, 04:26 PM
Exactly.

I guess escorts that have been in the business almost a year or more aren't legitemately having fun. Very interesting. You keep grouping everyone into one category and it's just annoying. I'm guessing other providers you've been with were faking it?

I think you are misunderstanding me if that is what you think. I'm speaking of specific cases and not lumping anyone into anything.

I do know, and there is social science data to back this up, that a very large contingent of women who work in prostitution can't stand there clients. Many actually hating them. It is understandable. It's not like they see men at their best. I know many dancers who don't think particularly highly of men either. At least not those that go to strip-clubs.

This specific woman I referenced earlier is very new to all of this. In fact I am very likely the only man to date that has paid her for sexual interaction [at least if I believe her on the subject that is the case]. Though its never actually phrased that way I don't pretend it is what it isn't. She is unaffected by negative past experiences with other clients. She is going places and doing things she doesn't get to do often, if at all, and is enjoying it. At some time, IF she keeps at this with other clients, the odds are she is apt to run into someone unlike myself. Someone who doesn't care if the other person he is spending time with is having a good time [I want her to have fun and I enjoy that she is]. Then her attitude might change at that point.



Most of the dates I've been on if not all have been very fun.

Now whose lumping? :) Are you presuming all women who work in escorting have fun with their clients? I am truly glad you do, but you might want to consider that makes you atypical.


I will end the convo here. There is no point in going any further
with you since you supposedly know business/escorts more than I do.
:)

Please quote me where I said I know more about the business then you do.

What I said was that I requested, requested mind you, that we might give each other some respect for knowing as much as we both do.

I'm trying to show you respect. From where I sit it's you that doesn't seem to want to be giving any [and in this world its hard to get if you aren't willing to give]. 8)

Wishing you well and good fortune.

Golden_Rule
08-18-2010, 04:48 PM
EXACTLY were once a psychic too huh Mr Golden rule? :)

No not a psychic. Just a person with an open mind who actually listens when other people talk. Someone who has observed the world for over half a century and seen enough people be genuine and enough be fake to be able to discern a difference between the two.


Ya this girl just sounds young and dumb, I can't believe she really goes to F.I.T. If you really are taking her to any of "NYC's better dining establishments" you're paying more for dinner than you are for sex. You say she's having fun, but you don't really know what she's thinking when you're on top of her. I don't understand how she can afford to live in NYC and go to F.I.T and fuck men off of Craigslist for $200 and a steak, but as long as she's having fun right. ::)


EXACTLY


I was going to comment on that but i was way too sleepy and just didn't want to go on about it LOL. I didn't even catch the NYC part (that's how sleepy i was) .. eh If I were to even work in NYC my rates would be double what it is now. $200 an hour for a dinner date/sex in NYC? I imagine she lives in her mother's basement/dorm and dosen't have any expenses .. well you liked her.. that was a STEAL!

I wouldn't even let someone WATCH me eat for $300 an hour in NYC ... again some chicks are just brain dead. I agree with laurcon .. how did you know she was enjoying herself ?


Yes, but this is you two and she is she and I am I and isn't it glorious that there is a big ol' world made up of different people, each with their own mind and views of the world. Just think how boring it would be if there was just one way of looking at things.

;)

malayataylor
08-18-2010, 05:27 PM
Yes, but this is you two and she is she and I am I and isn't it glorious that there is a big ol' world made up of different people, each with their own mind and views of the world.

;)



this actually makes sense :)

laurcon
08-20-2010, 01:03 PM
No not a psychic. Just a person with an open mind who actually listens when other people talk. Someone who has observed the world for over half a century and seen enough people be genuine and enough be fake to be able to discern a difference between the two.



If you were so open-minded, you would be open to the idea that she's not enjoying having sex with a man more than twice her age. And I know you know that's why you're paying her for it. It's just funny to get on a board and brag about your set-up. Especially like you're really the only one! That's just what gets me. But this is my fault for even coming over to blue. :-X

Chili Palmer
08-20-2010, 11:58 PM
That's just what gets me. But this is my fault for even coming over to blue. :-X

Absolutely true.

You're the one who started the "Men who post on this board are so lame" thread, and it's clear you despise men (or at least male SC customers) from so many of your posts and your general tone, yet when you have the free time to do anything or interact with anyone in the entire world on the internet, you choose to argue with...more male strip club patrons on a site devoted to (mostly) male strip club patrons.

And yes, you have every "right" to do so, blah, blah, blah...I just don't understand why it's so important to you to come here and respond time and again.

CP

Kylea2
08-21-2010, 12:36 AM
I'm not going to bother to quote it, but not every young girl who has sex with older men is after money. I'm sure for some money is a bonus, but the real question is how many would do it WITHOUT the money? You can't claim to know why someone else is doing something. I personally know that I've been with men OLDER than 2x my age... without the incentive of money. Why? I simply have never clicked with younger men... or at least not for more than two weeks.

malayataylor
08-21-2010, 04:13 AM
I'm not going to bother to quote it, but not every young girl who has sex with older men is after money. I'm sure for some money is a bonus, but the real question is how many would do it WITHOUT the money? You can't claim to know why someone else is doing something. I personally know that I've been with men OLDER than 2x my age... without the incentive of money. Why? I simply have never clicked with younger men... or at least not for more than two weeks.


*clears throat* Though I agree with Laurcon, Kylea you are also correct. My daughter's father is twice my age (mid 40s) and my current bf isn also twice my age (early 40s). I'm in my early 20s and Yes I fucked them bought for free.. Hahahaha! :) The last time I dated someone my age was in middle school.. I mean, not a lot of guys my age are on my level (mentally) and they're probably still living with their parents so I don't bother with them.

When people ask how old my daughter's dad is and I tell them they're like ewwwwwwww how could you but I think he's one of the hottest/sexiest guys ever and just for the record... I've fell in love with a client once.. They're not all that bad and most of them are VERY handsome and it dosen't hurt that they're um............ Loaded.;D

P.s I had a 23 year old client once. He was an engineer and pretty much went ALLL out to see me. Yeah he was doing well for himself.. very mature, I was very impressed. He was an exception.

rickdugan
08-21-2010, 07:39 AM
I was going to comment on that but i was way too sleepy and just didn't want to go on about it LOL. I didn't even catch the NYC part (that's how sleepy i was) .. eh If I were to even work in NYC my rates would be double what it is now. $200 an hour for a dinner date/sex in NYC? I imagine she lives in her mother's basement/dorm and dosen't have any expenses .. well you liked her.. that was a STEAL!

I agree that this was a bit of a steal (congrats GR), but it brings up an interesting point regarding the relationship between the cost of an escort vs. the cost of OTC with a dancer.

In another comment around here somewhere (which I cannot find now) the poster theorized that OTC with a dancer should cost more than the price of an escort because of the novelty factor.

IME the cost of bringing a dancer OTC is actually at or below the cost of a visit with an escort of comparable looks. As I have said before, I take the mean of the quotes on CL (low and bad quality) and Eros (sometimes inflated), add them up and divide by 2 to get a handle on what OTC should cost. This normally serves as an excellent gauge for what OTC will cost with an attractive (no apparent junkies, pigs or fuglies) dancer, virtually all of whom have been eager for repeat engagements.

This excludes Boston or Chicago, where heavy LE activity has distorted the price of OTC.

I won't claim to understand how or why this dynamic has developed, only that it has.

yoda57us
08-21-2010, 12:33 PM
This excludes Boston or Chicago, where heavy LE activity has distorted the price of OTC.


Honestly Rick Boston is one of the easiest cities to find a good escort in the $250 to $300 range. I don't know who's been feeding you BS about LE activity but, over all, that really isn't the case here. In spite of the publicity surrounding the "Craigs List Killer" Boston is a relatively easy place to get laid in.

Are there stings? Sure but they are the same stings that are happening all over the US and they are largely based around (A)the girls on Back page and CL who don't screen and (B) guys who don't look for legit escorts and fall for police stings.

Now, How that $250 to $300 compares to what you are paying to pull dancers out of Boston area clubs I can't say since I don't shop for take-out. That being said, if the ladies that you are taking back to your hotel when you visit Boston are telling you that they charge more because they are somehow safer than calling an escort well, they are yanking your chain.

Katrina312
08-21-2010, 12:58 PM
What does LE mean?

Harleigh HellKat
08-21-2010, 01:08 PM
Law Enforcement.

laurcon
08-21-2010, 01:54 PM
Absolutely true.

You're the one who started the "Men who post on this board are so lame" thread, and it's clear you despise men (or at least male SC customers) from so many of your posts and your general tone, yet when you have the free time to do anything or interact with anyone in the entire world on the internet, you choose to argue with...more male strip club patrons on a site devoted to (mostly) male strip club patrons.

And yes, you have every "right" to do so, blah, blah, blah...I just don't understand why it's so important to you to come here and respond time and again.

CP

What are you talking about? Yes I started that thread about men on this site, but I LOVE my customers. I'm seriously so lucky, they're awesome and I don't hate them one bit, I've dated many of them. Sooo I don't know where you're getting that from. I feel like I rarely come here anymore, I found somewhere without you guys. And its not so much blue as me unblocking GR from ignore, but I didn't want to single him out.

Still can't believe you think I despise my customers, or any of the generous men in my life in the least /:O

LC (in case you couldn't see my display name next to my post ::))

rickdugan
08-21-2010, 02:08 PM
Honestly Rick Boston is one of the easiest cities to find a good escort in the $250 to $300 range. I don't know who's been feeding you BS about LE activity but, over all, that really isn't the case here. In spite of the publicity surrounding the "Craigs List Killer" Boston is a relatively easy place to get laid in.

yoda, I think you missed some of what was said above. If you re-read my last few posts you will see that my comments relating to LE and prices related solely to strip club activities and stripper OTC in Boston. I actually pointed out in an earlier post in this thread that Boston is a city where an escort is easier and cheaper to find than an OTC stripper.

And in terms of LE paranoia in Boston, are you sure of your answer on that? You have admittedly not been in the downtown Boston clubs in a long time. I have been there several times over the years, and have fairly good connects at one of the clubs going back well over a decade, so I'm fairly comfortable that my intel is good relating to Boston.

Katrina312
08-21-2010, 02:26 PM
What's the correlation between LE and Chicago ? The LE in Chicago, is extremely corrupt. Extras are prevalent in the clubs here.

rickdugan
08-21-2010, 04:19 PM
What's the correlation between LE and Chicago ? The LE in Chicago, is extremely corrupt. Extras are prevalent in the clubs here.

LOL. I will take your word for it and you have far more experience in Chicago than I, but I have clubbed in Chicago a few times and found the clubs there to be among the most depressing and controlled environments that I have seen. Several girls attributed this to LE, and perhaps my "chain was being yanked" as another poster put it, but there it is.

I will say that every damn time I had a discussion that strayed into outer bounds territory, the first question I ALWAYS got was "are you a cop", which further reinforced my belief that what I was being told had at least some merit. The only other place where this happened so routinely is in Boston.

Chicago reminds me a lot of Boston, with a small number of clubs in the city proper, very controlled and almost paranoid with a political atmosphere not very friendly towards SCs. This could be coming from a customer's perspective and you may see things differently if you dance at one of the 5 clubs in the city proper, but there it is.