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Kylea2
08-21-2010, 04:38 PM
I will say that every damn time I had a discussion that strayed into outer bounds territory, the first question I ALWAYS got was "are you a cop", which further reinforced my belief that what I was being told had at least some merit.

I'll never understand why some dancers ask this... after all, it's not like LE is required to answer it honestly.

Harleigh HellKat
08-21-2010, 04:46 PM
^True that. I actually talked to an undercover the other day. He tried to sell me pills lol! Too bad for him I had no interest anyway. ::)

malayataylor
08-21-2010, 05:00 PM
I'll never understand why some dancers ask this... after all, it's not like LE is required to answer it honestly.

Kylea, Not everyone is as smart as you are. I too will never understand why dancers AND escorts ask this. Fact of the matter is if LE wants you they'll will get you. There is no ifS ands OR buts about it. If you conduct business in a reckless way.. both escort and extras dancers you will be busted. Smart women don't get busted. I don't condone dancers doing extras because dancers are supposed to be dancing not having sex in the club but if they're gonna do it..they should at least be smart about it.

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Whoever said extras dancers should be paid more than escorts really needs to be slapped. So you'd pay shit loads of money to fuck someone in the VIP room of a club than to spent QT with a beautiful women in an upscale hotel... what a dumbass. ugh men!

About boston: Boston is a huge city. I know escorts here that are $200 an hour that go to Boston and charge $400-$600 an hour and bank big time. For me If I were to go to Boston I'd have a $700 2hour minimum.. eh not too much (for some it is too bad for them) however... guess how much I'd make? Loads! There's lots of money in boston. I know high end bbws that's toured there one week and came home with no less than 5k for that week. Yeah it's definitely on my hit list. LOL!!!

KS_Stevia
08-21-2010, 05:36 PM
LOL I bet she really could make extra money if after allowing him to suck her toes and cover them with his saliva (and assuming she is flexible) she would insert her toes into her moist vajayjay and then allow the customer to slowly suck up her juices toe by toe. I mean, I think that would be pretty hot.

FBR

Hmmm, I'm very flexible and I just tried to position my toes in a way they could possibly go into my vag. No dice, don't think its possible for most people.

Also, that sounds fucking disguisting and is just asking for a yeast infection, or god knows what else from his saliva.

yoda57us
08-22-2010, 04:07 AM
yoda, I think you missed some of what was said above. If you re-read my last few posts you will see that my comments relating to LE and prices related solely to strip club activities and stripper OTC in Boston.

I think I miss-read where you were coming from in your last post rick. My apologies. I have absolutely no recent experience with either of the clubs in Boston though I do know a few gals who have retreated to the suburbs or to Providence after unpleasant experiences in Boston. I am however well aware of the climate towards clubs in Boston proper where LE is concerned. I remember very well the days of the old "Combat Zone" where about 20 clubs and adult shops populated the area about a block from where the only two clubs in town are currently located. Back then take-out was the only option as none of the clubs had VIP rooms or even private dances. Girls would leave mid-shift and take a guy to an apartment or cheap-ass local hotel. Well, as we both know those days are gone and the municipal iron fist that cleaned up the area in the name of urban re-development is determined to keep it clean...or as clean as possible. Several years ago Centerfold's opening was delayed for over a month as the city tried a last minute attempt to block the granting of the club's entertainment license. This was after several years of failed attempts by several other chains to get a liquor license and open at the C-folds location.

I have no doubt that your information on the state of paranoia in the Boston clubs is accurate. I guess what I'm saying however is that I don't see any of this as a reason for a dancer charging any more than a good escort would for OTC. Now, I have no problem with a woman charging whatever she wants for her services. LOL, what I will pay of course is another matter.

yoda57us
08-22-2010, 04:25 AM
I'll never understand why some dancers ask this... after all, it's not like LE is required to answer it honestly.

I've only been asked this question once in all my years of clubbing. It was a few months ago in Providence club shortly after the laws changed in RI closing the famous "loophole law" and making prostitution illegal. She asked if I was a cop, I said no, she offered me a blow job in the club's champagne room. Now, if I had been a cop I could have arrested her right there. In fact, if LE was set up on the club it would have been just cause for a raid. Fortunately I'm not a cop and the climate in Providence regarding clubs is pretty much live and let live. That being said, the stupidity of asking this absolutely useless question never ceases to amaze me! The street walkers I used to pick up 20 years ago used to ask the same question...

rickdugan
08-22-2010, 08:29 AM
I guess what I'm saying however is that I don't see any of this as a reason for a dancer charging any more than a good escort would for OTC. Now, I have no problem with a woman charging whatever she wants for her services. LOL, what I will pay of course is another matter.

You would think not, but IME escorts are cheaper than dancers in Boston. Maybe it has something to do with LE and political forces keeping OTC dancer supply (and indeed club supply in general) low with lots of Bostonian dollars chasing that supply? Speculation on my part, but the best answer I can come up with.

And, of course, that is after you spend stupid money ITC even getting to that conversation, at least a few dancer drinks ($30 each) along with the cost of your drinks ($12-14 each) and stage tips. And if it takes a couple of rounds of this to find a right minded girl, one can easily drop $350-400 before OTC is even negotiated. I have never had OTC in Boston where I spent less than $800 that night (club + girl), and have struck out more than a couple of times.

yoda57us
08-22-2010, 10:29 AM
You would think not, but IME escorts are cheaper than dancers in Boston. Maybe it has something to do with LE and political forces keeping OTC dancer supply (and indeed club supply in general) low with lots of Bostonian dollars chasing that supply? Speculation on my part, but the best answer I can come up with.


There are guys like me who would rather cultivate relationships with escorts and there are guys like you who would rather shop inside the club. We both know what the options are and make our decisions based on what works for us. Not every guy looking for sex is as well informed as many of us on this board are however. Lots of guys would never dream of hiring an escort and when they are inside a strip club their little head is doing all of their thinking for them. They go to clubs, fall for a girl who plays them, and pay whatever she asks for OTC. In a city like Boston where options are limited I can see how a smart dancer could maximize her revenue simply by being one of only a few available options. This of course drives up the price for anyone interested in pursuing her.

It really is a case of supply and demand. I see an Brazilian escort a few times a year who danced at Centerfolds for a couple of years before moving down to RI clubs and eventually on to escorting full time. I didn't know her when she was at C-Folds but she says that the atmosphere in there was very tense and there was a lot of pressure from management to sell VIP with the better shifts going to the girls who did. Eventually she realized that she could see guys outside for what they were willing to pay for an hour in VIP, remove the management stress factor and keep all of the money! When she moved to the Providence clubs she stopped escorting because she could make the same money dancing down there that she could charge as an escort. Providence is a different market than Boston to be sure. The clubs are wide open as far as contact goes and a lot of guys will go to Cheaters for a $100 quickie before they will ever pay an escort $300.

Sorry for babbling...in summary, Boston is a great city for escorts, Providence is a great city for strip clubs. Fortunately, I live close to both!

FBR
08-22-2010, 10:42 AM
Hmmm, I'm very flexible and I just tried to position my toes in a way they could possibly go into my vag. No dice, don't think its possible for most people.

Also, that sounds fucking disguisting and is just asking for a yeast infection, or god knows what else from his saliva. KS it was a kidding post but since you are taking it seriously, I agree on the physical flexibility issues as well as the hygiene concerns.

FBR

Athenathefabulous
08-22-2010, 11:08 AM
I'll never understand why some dancers ask this... after all, it's not like LE is required to answer it honestly.

Word. Unless you are a human lie detector, it's pretty useless. Although so many people, both in the dancing world and drug world, believe the cop has to answer honestly else it is "entrapment". I know a handful of stupid dealers who were caught largely because they believed this and assumed they were safe after the cop answered "no". I'm going to assume that the police started this urban legend- makes it much easier to go undercover if the civillians assume you need to answer this question honestly.

Golden_Rule
08-26-2010, 01:01 AM
If you were so open-minded, you would be open to the idea that she's not enjoying having sex with a man more than twice her age. And I know you know that's why you're paying her for it. It's just funny to get on a board and brag about your set-up. Especially like you're really the only one! That's just what gets me. But this is my fault for even coming over to blue. :-X

UGH! {LOL}

In seeing braggadocio where none was intended you tip you hand and suggest you are bringing a bios to the table.

I'm not bragging about anything. I was simply using a personal example to suggest there are all sorts of different types of sex work taking place and one persons gourmet meal gets another's nose turned up at it.

There is room for all business models. The only thing that matters is that both the customer and the provider of the services feels they have been treated fairly and amicably. That was my only point.


[and Yoda, I am surprised at you]

What are you talking about? Yes I started that thread about men on this site, but I LOVE my customers. I'm seriously so lucky, they're awesome and I don't hate them one bit, I've dated many of them. Sooo I don't know where you're getting that from. I feel like I rarely come here anymore, I found somewhere without you guys. And its not so much blue as me unblocking GR from ignore, but I didn't want to single him out.

Still can't believe you think I despise my customers, or any of the generous men in my life in the least /:O

LC (in case you couldn't see my display name next to my post ::))

You do seem to like to lump guys into categories without knowing much about them.

I can only imagine what you think about me but from some of the responses you've given me in the past I know that:

1) your impression of me can't be very good but is based on precious little information.

2) without stating whose at fault for it I know that no matter what I write your response is likely to be negative. I could say: "I'm all for peace on earth and good will toward human kind." [and I am], and might get a response from you akin to. "That's nice Mr Sweatpants Boner Man. Take advantage of any women today?".

The fact is I make a concerted effort to be fair with people and treat them the way I would prefer to be treated. It's even implied in my choice of handle. :O

Anyway... :P {LOL} I don't want to argue. I wish you well regardless of what wishes you'd send back in my direction.

Golden_Rule
08-26-2010, 01:44 AM
Whoever said extras dancers should be paid more than escorts really needs to be slapped. So you'd pay shit loads of money to fuck someone in the VIP room of a club than to spent QT with a beautiful women in an upscale hotel... what a dumbass. ugh men!

While I don't call them dumb-asses, this is pretty much the same thing I tell the guys on other sites. I even break the math down for them.

Mid-range club: Dance $30/song on 4 minute average. Five song set is $150 for around 20 minutes, give or take. Tip for extras est @ minimum $50 for handjob. That's $200 for 20 minutes of sex in a cramped booth on an uncomfortable seat.

That's $600/hr. No way I'm paying that for this level of sexual activity. Sex with the right person is worth the moon and the stars, but when talking about commercial sex even if I was a billionaire that kind of sex just isn't worth that much to me. Its a matter of priorities.

I can't help but see these things in real world dollars and cents terms. $600 is a car payment. If one was to do this three times a month they'd literally be choosing between 20 minutes of stripper-sex in a cramped booth three times a month and a new car. Me, I'd rather have the car. My monthly discretionary spending allows for this mutliple times over but I still couldn't do it. I have too much respect for my money. I don't begrudge others their choices but I can't pretend to totally understand getting so little for spending so much. Candidly, if all I wanted was a serviceable handjob I'd go to a massage parlor and spend $100 bucks [with tip] and get that plus a half-way decent massage thrown in for good measure. It makes more sense.

In the example I gave earlier, with the woman I know who goes to F.I.T., I might spend $1K on an evening when you include diner for two at a good restaurant, theatre tix, a four star hotel and then what I give her. Perhaps lunch at a nice place and then a few hundred on clothes shopping for her before the hotel. It's not quickie sex in a dismal setting but an experience. One we are both enjoying. On that level its worth a grand.

I do realize that is strictly my own opinion and others feel differently [and have every right to do so].

yoda57us
08-26-2010, 08:09 AM
[and Yoda, I am surprised at you]



What on earth for?

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 08:17 AM
What on earth for?

for agreeing with me maybe? LOL :

Hi yoda :wave:

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 08:35 AM
I can't help but see these things in real world dollars and cents terms. $600 is a car payment. If one was to do this three times a month they'd literally be choosing between 20 minutes of stripper-sex in a cramped booth three times a month and a new car. Me, I'd rather have the car. My monthly discretionary spending allows for this mutliple times over but I still couldn't do it. I have too much respect for my money. I don't begrudge others their choices but I can't pretend to totally understand getting so little for spending so much. Candidly, if all I wanted was a serviceable handjob I'd go to a massage parlor and spend $100 bucks [with tip] and get that plus a half-way decent massage thrown in for good measure. It makes more sense.


I understand where you are coming from totally Golden Rule BUT I want you to understand that there are a LOT of men that are able to blow $800 an hour easily on an escort. Being in the business I am in, I have had guys literally book appointments with me 3 months in advance just so they can save up for a multi hour appointment with me :). That tells ME if a guy wants to see you, trust me he will do EVERYTHING he can to see you. Alot of men don't think with their heads.... they think with their penis and guess what? I LOVE THEM FOR IT! If not for these men I'd probably be broke and won't be able to afford my lease, car insurance (no car payments because my carS are PAID for ;) ), Travels, Shopping binges especially my La Perla lingerie collection.. it's an addiction.
AT $475 an hour I have been booked for weekend and weekly exclusive engagements, So my point is to YOU that there REALLY are guys that can afford to blow this kind of money. I'm sure you know this. I just want you to understand that this elite group of men is not a small group at all. This is the United States the money is here. I don't believe in the recession. I see ladies lowering their rates and just laugh.. hey MORE FOR ME! It's them that devaluing their services. Just because you look at $600 as a car payment doesn't mean others feel the same way :)



In the example I gave earlier, with the woman I know who goes to F.I.T., I might spend $1K on an evening when you include diner for two at a good restaurant, theatre tix, a four star hotel and then what I give her. Perhaps lunch at a nice place and then a few hundred on clothes shopping for her before the hotel. It's not quickie sex in a dismal setting but an experience. One we are both enjoying. On that level its worth a grand.

Why the shopping trip though? Why not a nice little fuck fest in your four star ;D


I do realize that is strictly my own opinion and others feel differently [and have every right to do so
of course.

rickdugan
08-26-2010, 08:53 AM
^Malaya, congratulations on positioning yourself well in the marketplace and I am glad that you find guys willing to pay your rates. I wish you nothing but continued success and ever higher rates.

I also understand where you are coming from on the rate front, but I'm sure that you realize that most girls are not as well marketed as you and simply cannot charge what you do. I am also sure that you are offering a more upscale and/or complete experience than many of the girls in the market can or do provide, and have effectively marketed to guys looking for that.

You have a strong ability to hustle and market, and I respect that. I once stumbled across a thread where you mentioned that, in your early years, you could get sugar daddies to pay your bills and never sleep with them. And while I laughed my ass of at the thought of such pathetic bastards actually doing this, I equally respected your ability to make that sale ;)

Having said all of that, I'm not sure what is accomplished here when you continually post that the rates paid by GR, myself or others are too low. They are much more the market norm than yours for what we are receiving, which is fun sex with a hot, and hopefully entertaining, woman.

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 09:05 AM
Thanks for the kind words Rick.


You have a strong ability to hustle and market, and I respect that. I once stumbled across a thread where you mentioned that, in your early years, you could get sugar daddies to pay your bills and never sleep with them. And while I laughed my ass of at the thought of such pathetic bastards actually doing this, I equally respected your ability to make that sale ;)

Yes that involves alot of using and abusing "mind fucking" to get what you want. It is also time consuming to get guys to think you're REALLY into them to make them blow their paychecks on you. My cousin who is a dancer taught me this. Being "beautiful" you can get pretty much ANYTHING you want without fucking for it but you will have to put in a lot of TIME and that's time that I do NOT have.

Trust me I've had guys (more than twice my age) eating out the palm of my hands. It was fun but I like fucking for money better. It's less time consuming and I don't have to "make the sale"/convince him to give me x amount of money lol get it?


Having said all of that, I'm not sure what is accomplished here when you continually post that the rates paid by GR, myself or others are too low. They are much more the market norm than yours for what we are receiving, which is fun sex with a hot, and hopefully entertaining, woman.

I agree with this Mr Dugan.

To each their own but fact of the matter is... you get what you pay for :)

yoda57us
08-26-2010, 09:42 AM
Trust me I've had guys (more than twice my age) eating out the palm of my hands. It was fun but I like fucking for money better. It's less time consuming and I don't have to "make the sale"/convince him to give me x amount of money lol get it?

LOL, over the years every dancer I have ever known who went on to become an escort has told me pretty much the same thing! There is no mind fuck involved in being an escort. A guy sees your site or your reviews and makes his decision. When you open the door you both know exactly what is going to happen and how much it's going to cost.



To each their own but fact of the matter is... you get what you pay for :)

Actually I can't totally agree with this. Over the years I have paid more for ladies who were not nearly as much fun as my two or three $300 an hour ATF's.

What I think is more important though is that, as the provider, you get what you feel you are worth and not a penny less. Some guys will pay it and some won't but deciding what you are worth is a decision that only you can make. I never question a gal's rates. Even when I see girls posting on TER that they are visiting Boston and charging a hundred or two above market rate I resist the urge to pile-on their ad post the way some guys do telling them to lower their rates. Not every lady needs or even wants to see three or four guys a day and I believe that their rates, as a part of their business model and financial goals, reflect that.

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 09:47 AM
LOL, over the years every dancer I have ever known who went on to become an escort has told me pretty much the same thing! There is no mind fuck involved in being an escort. A guy sees your site or your reviews and makes his decision. When you open the door you both know exactly what is going to happen and how much it's going to cost.



Actually I can't totally agree with this. Over the years I have paid more for ladies who were not nearly as much fun as my two or three $300 an hour ATF's.

What I think is more important though is that, as the provider, you get what you feel you are worth and not a penny less. Some guys will pay it and some won't but deciding what you are worth is a decision that only you can make. I never question a gal's rates. Even when I see girls posting on TER that they are visiting Boston and charging a hundred or two above market rate I resist the urge to pile-on their ad post the way some guys do telling them to lower their rates. Not every lady needs or even wants to see three or four guys a day and I believe that their rates, as a part of their business model and financial goals, reflect that.

Agreed!!!

Redwolf
08-26-2010, 11:33 AM
LOL, over the years every dancer I have ever known who went on to become an escort has told me pretty much the same thing! There is no mind fuck involved in being an escort. A guy sees your site or your reviews and makes his decision. When you open the door you both know exactly what is going to happen and how much it's going to cost.

This is why I am moving from dancers to providers. I am tired of the games and pretend and fake leads and unfulfilled promises. There is so much wasted time looking for the right girl in a strip club. Now there can be something really fun about finding the right girl: having some drinks, sitting and talking, getting a few dances or more, and arranging for more extras for later. Those are nights to remember, if it is the right girl.

I was in a club last night where I was negotiating some high quality extras for ITC in the VIP from a duo (including BBBJ and CCG). The price was okay, but I ultimately didn't go with it. I was thinking of a much cleaner and more private experience with a provider. Also, the girls were trying too hard to get me in the VIP and said something about wasting their time talking to me (even though they had not sat down for a whole song). I said, "Fine, go get some other business." They probably ended up with a dance here or a dance there at best. When I return either they will be totally pissed with me and give me the cold shoulder or they will try again and work it a little better (and maybe even quote a better deal). I would be more interested in going OTC for privacy and cleanliness.

Previously, I had received extras from one of the girls individually and both together. They did well for a decent price. Something was different this time: there was now more communication about what would happen and there was negotiation. Thanks to the guys here for encouraging me to remember that it is my money and I am in control of what I want to do with it! Becoming aware of the norm of many provider rates helped me out extraordinarily. I thought things through and kept comparing with some great providers. I kept my passion in check.



Actually I can't totally agree with this. Over the years I have paid more for ladies who were not nearly as much fun as my two or three $300 an hour ATF's.

What I think is more important though is that, as the provider, you get what you feel you are worth and not a penny less. Some guys will pay it and some won't but deciding what you are worth is a decision that only you can make. I never question a gal's rates. Even when I see girls posting on TER that they are visiting Boston and charging a hundred or two above market rate I resist the urge to pile-on their ad post the way some guys do telling them to lower their rates. Not every lady needs or even wants to see three or four guys a day and I believe that their rates, as a part of their business model and financial goals, reflect that.

Exactly. There are some providers in my interest that would stay on my list even if they raised their rates to some degree. That said, I have other girls that would now theoretically receive my attention first because of some increased their rate. If a lady can increase her rate and do well, I wish her the best. There are so many ladies at the same rate (say $250 per hour), so of which I wouldn't call, others of which there rate is just about right, and still others of which I feel the need to royally tip them way beyond the call of duty. Some girls might price themselves out of their value.

Some girls can provide the hot, glamorous date with culture and conversation, and this is where they excel. Others can provide the PSE, but they wouldn't really be the types that you would escort around a business party or something. Many girls don't excel at either. The few (I think that Malaya here would be one) excel at both, and that is super hot. This is where the high money is. But if a guy is looking just for the PSE, he doesn't need the cultured, traveled, glamorous type. He just needs her to answer the door and begin. For this, he can pay probably 1/2 as much or less for a PSE date than he can for a date with one of the few girls who are true courtesans.

Malaya, when I get to your part of the country, if you kindly allow, I will probably be interested in a social outing followed by cocktails.

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 11:38 AM
Malaya, when I get to your part of the country, if you kindly allow, I will probably be interested in a social outing followed by cocktails.

;D;D "followed by cocktails" hahaha cute!

Redwolf
08-26-2010, 12:03 PM
Isn't that what your website says, "Cocktails 1 hr"?

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 12:12 PM
Isn't that what your website says, "Cocktails 1 hr"?

That is why I lol'd. Funny that you'd repeat it like that.

Redwolf
08-26-2010, 12:32 PM
I was trying to get my first Thanks, through flattery. lol

[flirting done, back to topic]

yoda57us
08-26-2010, 03:55 PM
This is why I am moving from dancers to providers. I am tired of the games and pretend and fake leads and unfulfilled promises. There is so much wasted time looking for the right girl in a strip club. Now there can be something really fun about finding the right girl: having some drinks, sitting and talking, getting a few dances or more, and arranging for more extras for later. Those are nights to remember, if it is the right girl.


I think you are making the right move. If you are looking to get laid in a strip club you are going to be disappointed way more than you are going to strike gold. I love clubs, I love hanging out with pretty strippers and I enjoy a good lap dance or ten. I just don't even try to get OTC out of it. If it happens great but as long as I have my fav escorts only a phone call away I can't say that OTC sex from a dancer is something I devote a lot of time to trying to get. If she wants my money OTC she has to make it so damn easy that I'd be a fool to say no...and this is rare!

I go to the clubs to relax and hang out with beautiful women. I have had many great nights to remember!

Golden_Rule
08-26-2010, 03:56 PM
What on earth for?


for agreeing with me maybe? LOL :

Hi yoda :wave:

Not for agreeing with you. For giving thanks that makes it seem like he thought I was simply bragging as well.

I'd figure he, being not so different than myself in more than a few regards, would have known what I was driving at. Which again was merely to state that there is enough room in this "thing of ours" for multiple means of reaching ones ends.

All that matters is that the two individuals involved have mutually compatible ends and that their individual needs don't conflict.

Golden_Rule
08-26-2010, 04:06 PM
To each their own but fact of the matter is... you get what you pay for :)

But that was what my earlier point goes to. Its about perception.

Having input from literally thousands of johns over 30 years, as well as my own experiences, though has taught me that its not about how much you pay. Its about how well you shop.

It all about being an educated consumer.

That is the biggest thing that has changed about this business. With the advent of the internet and clients exchanging information they tend to find their niche and don't move from it. That stratifies the market. You can find quality levels though that are more or less equivalent, both good and bad, in any of them. It all depends on how much effort you want to put into it.

The only thing accurate about "getting what you pay for" is that it is possible, and this may be subject to many different bits of business, is that you can find better consistency in the higher bracket. This having to do with market forces filtering out lesser suppliers who just can't cut it at the higher end, thus thinning the herd so to speak.

Golden_Rule
08-26-2010, 04:22 PM
This is why I am moving from dancers to providers.

Actually sugar daddy/baby set ups that are firmly grounded in actual sex transpiring between two individuals [in other words each knows what is expected of the other and delivers, even if it goes unspoken] is some of the best paid for sex I have known. This is why:

There is a certain type of dancer who picks among her customers in clubs to dally with outside the club. These women absolutely refuse to acknowledge to anyone, but most importantly to themselves, that what is taking place is in fact prostitution.

They choose to believe that they have chosen this individual because they might have befriended them IRL, OTC. Its pure fantasy on their part as if there was no money or gifts changing hands there would be no sex, but as long as the male doesn't loose perspective as to what is really going on and is prepared to deal with the potential problems that come from swimming in muddy water it can be very nice.

The reason is that if the woman refuses to see what is transpiring as prostitution she can't very well see the male involved as a john. I mean how can this fellow be a monger, because if he were she'd be a {gasp} prostitute.

As long as no one is hurting anyone else, but it takes attention to detail to prevent it in some of these circumstances, it is possible to have intimate relations with actual passion and at least something that passes for feelings/warmth/friendship, and very, very, good sex.

When allowed to burn out naturally, providing nothing has happened to cause bad feelings, some of these dancers have actually remained in my life as real friends. They've even introduced me to other dancers who they thought might be compatible matches when things between us have petered out.

The other part of it is monetary. While initial outlay is a tad steeper the long term costs when compared to seeing escorts in the $200-$400 range is compatible for the actual amount of sex taking place. These things tend to develop into flat rate affairs where you give the dancer in question a few hundred dollars, maybe some shopping, etc, and at hourly rates for taking an escort out for a meal, spending a whole evening or afternoon together, etc, before sex you make out better "dating" this specific kind of dancer in the $$$ department.

yoda57us
08-26-2010, 04:57 PM
Not for agreeing with you. For giving thanks that makes it seem like he thought I was simply bragging as well.


Trying to get into my head over a mouse click?

LOL, settle down GR, It's not all about you...

rickdugan
08-26-2010, 06:31 PM
To each their own but fact of the matter is... you get what you pay for :)


But that was what my earlier point goes to. Its about perception.

Having input from literally thousands of johns over 30 years, as well as my own experiences, though has taught me that its not about how much you pay. Its about how well you shop.

To an extent I agree with both of you. Here's what I mean.

I am guesing that Malaya is willing to cater to guys with very specific needs. She learns those needs and, within reason, tailors the experience to meet those needs. Maybe a little role play, some mild fetish stuff, the need to feel that he is in rarified air, etc. She is smart enough to learn each guy and to accomodate him.

Now I am not likely to get that level of accomodation and attention to detail at the $250 level. But since I am a simpler guy, I don't need that. What I DO need is an attractive, down to earth and fun girl. This is where the shopping comes in for me, and why I personally like to shop in the clubs. I get the chance to interact with a girl and figure out if she is likely to meet my needs. Now she will never be a Malaya as she is not usually a pro at the higher level escort game, but she may be enough to meet my needs if she seems to meet my criteria.

Just my :twocents:

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 06:53 PM
To an extent I agree with both of you. Here's what I mean.

I am guesing that Malaya is willing to cater to guys with very specific needs. She learns those needs and, within reason, tailors the experience to meet those needs. Maybe a little role play, some mild fetish stuff, the need to feel that he is in rarified air, etc. She is smart enough to learn each guy and to accomodate him.

Now I am not likely to get that level of accomodation and attention to detail at the $250 level. But since I am a simpler guy, I don't need that. What I DO need is an attractive, down to earth and fun girl. This is where the shopping comes in for me, and why I personally like to shop in the clubs. I get the chance to interact with a girl and figure out if she is likely to meet my needs. Now she will never be a Malaya as she is not usually a pro at the higher level escort game, but she may be enough to meet my needs if she seems to meet my criteria.

Just my :twocents:

but.. but Rick what makes you think I'm not "down to earth" *sigh* I don't think that has anything to do with "Price". I have heard clients complain about both low end AND high end girls being too "business like". Honestly It really depends on the girl. The best providers are the best actresses.. No matter what you look like treat her well and she'll make you feel like the most handsome most powerful man she's ever met/ make YOU feel like a million bucks. It's interesting that you can find that at a strip club but honeybun again, to each his own!


Yes I accomodate all my friends to the best of my ability without compromising my health/boundaries.

Oh and to jack: You know what I learned something the other day. I was talking to a high end escort, Alexa Dicarlo. She was telling me that If I wanted to charge 2k an hour I must be willing to do PSE/Greek..my response? NO! It's really not all that worth it to me. I don't go greek in my personal life so why do it just because of extra $$$. So for those of you suggesting I should charge more, I will but it won't be 2k an hour.. I really don't WANT anything in my booty PLUS I'm having too much fun right now don't want to F it up by forcing myself to do something I'm not really into just for extra cash! I guess this is how Alexa runs her business. However, I'd be the escort to charge that much and run things MY WAY doing whatever I feel like doing but still keeping the customer in mind without ignoring my boundaries.

yoda57us
08-26-2010, 07:06 PM
I am guesing that Malaya is willing to cater to guys with very specific needs. She learns those needs and, within reason, tailors the experience to meet those needs. Maybe a little role play, some mild fetish stuff, the need to feel that he is in rarified air, etc. She is smart enough to learn each guy and to accomodate him.


Rick, while I'm not able to comment on exactly what Malaya does during a session I can tell you that you are making a huge incorrect assumption here. What a woman charges for sex is based solely on what she feels she is worth, not on what she does for the money.

malayataylor
08-26-2010, 07:11 PM
rick, while i'm not able to comment on exactly what malaya does during a session i can tell you that you are making a huge incorrect assumption here. What a woman charges for sex is based solely on what she feels she is worth, not on what she does for the money.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rickdugan
08-27-2010, 05:13 AM
Rick, while I'm not able to comment on exactly what Malaya does during a session I can tell you that you are making a huge incorrect assumption here. What a woman charges for sex is based solely on what she feels she is worth, not on what she does for the money.

And neither can I, so fair enough. I did, however, find her comment about the best providers being the best actresses and making the guy feel like a million bucks to be telling.

With nothing but all due respect to Malaya, the only person that cares about how much Malaya thinks she is worth is Malaya. In order to make a living doing this, her patrons need to think that she is worth it too. I doubt that she would be charging those rates if she couldn't sell at those prices, and indeed she herself has said that in her earlier days she had to charge less until she could build her image and client base up.

She has to have some perceived or real competitive advantage, which I think she touched upon in her last response. Otherwise she would be a very poor and hungry escort (which I am not sensing here). ;)

rickdugan
08-27-2010, 05:27 AM
but.. but Rick what makes you think I'm not "down to earth" *sigh* I don't think that has anything to do with "Price". I have heard clients complain about both low end AND high end girls being too "business like". Honestly It really depends on the girl. The best providers are the best actresses.. No matter what you look like treat her well and she'll make you feel like the most handsome most powerful man she's ever met/ make YOU feel like a million bucks. It's interesting that you can find that at a strip club but honeybun again, to each his own!

Malaya, that was exactly my point. You provide something that would probably be much tougher to find at lower tiers or from club girls and you get paid well for it. Again, all I can say is congratulations and I hope you make a mint :)

My total tab for a club night where I have OTC on the back-end is usually as high as, if not a little higher than, your hourly rate when I factor in drinks, tips, and the cost of the girl after the club closes. And I doubt that I get the same thing from OTC club girls that you are able to provide, but my particular needs are met by what I do.

Of course, I have no doubt that if I spent it on you instead I'd be ruined for any other woman. ;)

malayataylor
08-27-2010, 06:07 AM
And neither can I, so fair enough. I did, however, find her comment about the best providers being the best actresses and making the guy feel like a million bucks to be telling.

With nothing but all due respect to Malaya, the only person that cares about how much Malaya thinks she is worth is Malaya. In order to make a living doing this, her patrons need to think that she is worth it too. I doubt that she would be charging those rates if she couldn't sell at those prices, and indeed she herself has said that in her earlier days she had to charge less until she could build her image and client base up.

She has to have some perceived or real competitive advantage, which I think she touched upon in her last response. Otherwise she would be a very poor and hungry escort (which I am not sensing here). ;)

Yes Rick, I learned early on that I had to have at least ONE review before anyone would take me seriously as an escort. Being that this is cheapcarolina not everyone was willing to TOFTT because I priced myself so high and ALOT of guys were like 400 and no reviews? HELL NO! (Yes I was charging this when I first started and I lowered it until I got 3 reviews then raised it again) So again it had nothing to do with specific sexual acts I was willing to "do" OR not. Alot of my friends have straight up told me they're willing to pay $400 an hour just to be with a beautiful black woman. I have never had a guy say "I'm leaving YOU WON'T DO GREEK" LOL! My clients leave very happy and pleased. I think that's why I'm still in business .... being a HOT "GFE" companion really helps when it comes to charging what you're worth! :-) I've also found that guys respect you more when you're "not like everyone else"..

yoda57us
08-27-2010, 07:08 AM
And neither can I, so fair enough. I did, however, find her comment about the best providers being the best actresses and making the guy feel like a million bucks to be telling.

Telling? Well of course. That is precisely what any good escort or dancer does rick. Make you feel like a million bucks! There don't have to be any props or costumes and role playing or trickery isn't necessarily a requirement but yes, some times acting is involved.


With nothing but all due respect to Malaya, the only person that cares about how much Malaya thinks she is worth is Malaya.

Bingo! As customers, we decide what we will pay. As providers, the ladies decide what they are worth. Nothing more and nothing less.

yoda57us
08-27-2010, 07:10 AM
Of course, I have no doubt that if I spent it on you instead I'd be ruined for any other woman. ;)

LMAO! I use this line on my ATF all the time!

rickdugan
08-27-2010, 11:22 AM
I have never had a guy say "I'm leaving YOU WON'T DO GREEK" LOL! My clients leave very happy and pleased. I think that's why I'm still in business .... being a HOT "GFE" companion really helps when it comes to charging what you're worth! :-) I've also found that guys respect you more when you're "not like everyone else"..

Exactly my point. I wasn't implying that guys were hiring you based upon particular sex acts, just that you were reasonably responsive to your clients. You are offering a higher-end experience which your clients are willing to pay for. They get the hot GFE and, while they are with you, are made to feel special. Awesome. :)



Telling? Well of course. That is precisely what any good escort or dancer does rick. Make you feel like a million bucks! There don't have to be any props or costumes and role playing or trickery isn't necessarily a requirement but yes, some times acting is involved.

I'm not sure we disagree on this. I do a lot of OTC with dancers, however, and rarely find one that I find to be very good outside of the club from the GFE/connection standpoint. This brings me back full circle to my contention that what Malaya sells isn't necessarily the same as what one gets from an OTC dancer and that rate comparisons between the two are not "apples to apples."

yoda57us
08-27-2010, 03:57 PM
I'm not sure we disagree on this. I do a lot of OTC with dancers, however, and rarely find one that I find to be very good outside of the club from the GFE/connection standpoint. This brings me back full circle to my contention that what Malaya sells isn't necessarily the same as what one gets from an OTC dancer and that rate comparisons between the two are not "apples to apples."

I think we are simply approaching the topic based on our individual experiences. FWIW, I have seen lots of escorts that were not very good at the gfe/connection thing either and, in fairness to them, not all escorts want to be. When travel I see lots of agency girls who are beautiful and reasonably priced but most of the time they want to get you off and get on to their next call. When I book with these girls my expectations are not the same as they are when I see one of my long-time favs. The price and approach may not be the same but the difference is purely attitude.

Any woman can ask for $400 an hour. Heck, I've had strippers ask for more and I know one who has gotten as much as a grand to meet a guy for an hour. The way a dancer markets herself in the P4P arena is vastly different from the way a higher end escort does. That being said, if it's what you want and you are happy with the price you are paying then it's all good.

yoda57us
08-27-2010, 03:59 PM
Wow, 6002 posts! I really do need to get some new hobbies....

any bets on how long it will be before someone tries to throw this post back in my face...::)

FBR
08-27-2010, 05:06 PM
^ That is a robust post count of which you should be proud :) The vets get it, the trolls in their mothers basements get cut off long before 6,000 and the ladies...well, who the hell knows what they think :)

FBR

Kylea2
08-27-2010, 06:40 PM
^^^ I think most of the ladies that would have that type of post count don't for various reasons - accounts not getting correctly activated, moving to the other forum, etc.

FBR
08-27-2010, 07:07 PM
^ accounts can be fixed but I notice you are only at 4,400'ish after all this time. Have you been stepping out on us ;)

FBR

hockeybobby
08-27-2010, 08:02 PM
Personally, I feel the post/day count is the real money stat. It's like the goals per game stat in hockey. I got y'all beat bitches. :D

Kylea2
08-27-2010, 08:11 PM
^ accounts can be fixed but I notice you are only at 4,400'ish after all this time. Have you been stepping out on us ;)

FBR

No, I have not! LOL First I joined EDC before SW existed. Then SW started & looked too "bubblegum" for me... so I didn't join. Then EDC merged with SW & I just didn't join for awhile. When I finally gave in it took two previous accounts before I finally got an account that activated correctly & allowed me to post. I think the one before this "Kylea" eventually got correctly activated for posting... but it took a long time & I already had Kylea2 by the time it was fixed. I do have some posts & thanks on the last account, but I don't think there is a way to transfer them over?

Also, for a long time I didn't comment on anything non-industry related... like when people posted about their personal lives. Lately SW has had a major shift into the camming/escort discussion too - & since I don't do those I don't comment as much on them. Last, I think sometimes when I'm on the road all I do is sleep & work, & sometimes I'm simply too tired to log on here after long shifts.

FBR
08-28-2010, 12:22 PM
^ I like kylea :)

FBR

FBR
08-28-2010, 12:29 PM
I was trying to get my first Thanks, through flattery. lol

[flirting done, back to topic] Thanks are hard to come by. Your posts really have to be superior.

FBR

FBR
08-28-2010, 12:32 PM
Personally, I feel the post/day count is the real money stat. It's like the goals per game stat in hockey. I got y'all beat bitches. :DTrue words HB but I am trying to integrate into Miss D driving me nuts. Her biz has been slow and the first of the month is coming.

FBR

lopaw
08-28-2010, 08:13 PM
If you do take a respite, when you are done and if you get up NYC way reach out and give a gent a holla... there are a few clubs I'd like to take you to. {biggest friendly and foolish grin}


If I'm ever in your neck of the woods, I'll definitely holla atcha!

A quick OT - I wonder if a "Blue Convention" has ever been tried before? I'm too lazy to actually do a search to see if it has been addressed before - I'm quite certain it probably has been. I suppose it would be difficult if not downright impossible due to our vast geography. We are all spread so apart across this great land of ours, not to mention our overseas blues. Oh well. :-\

But damn - it could be quite the festivity to be sure!