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infinate sorrow
01-16-2011, 04:58 PM
ha ha i went to the club in the next town on new years eve second time i made it there but ended up at one of the girls house after the club shut down, damn i was so fucked up i couldnt even talk though so i probably didnt make much of an impression. anyway thats one of the things she was talking about cuz so many women are selling sex that its only a matter of time before she loses her customers to one. most places thats no big deal, but in an area where they dont have that much revenue it is a big deal. and its a drag too cuz its ruining what to me is an art form. stay clean, theres really nothing wrong with sex for pay i think, and ive dated girls that did it, but it really takes something away from them and i hate to see people do that to themselves. look depending on the situation you are in there are paid travel dancing jobs that would net you a huge amount of money without having sex

princessjas
01-16-2011, 05:17 PM
I think I started just a bit behind Kelly because I missed the ex whores but was right there in the heyday of SC's, when every single girl was stunningly beautiful and there were no naked lapdances or kissing ITC (although yeah, I was aware some girls did OTC, but there was a two way mirror right in our CR with a manager looking through it and a waitress and a bouncer in the room pretty much all the time, so any ITC extras girls didn't generally last long).

Gawd, the mere thought of someone giving or recieving a nude, grinding lap makes me wanna puke....and I wasn't really a prude, I actually gave lapdances....just with a thong between me and the strange guy's lap, thank you very much.

TimeTwist
01-22-2011, 10:59 PM
I am not sure what you mean by clean, but my idea of dirty is pants being undone, and a lot of skin touching skin. I will say this when I visit a club, I want some contact, and unless I am in club where lap dances aren't allowed, I expect a lap dance with a decent amount of contact.

Now as for dirty vs clean It depends on the club I am visiting, and the mood I am in. I have a good variety of clubs I visit based off the mood I am in.

Some times I visit this one club that is well known for extras, and when there a dancer better be more towards the dirty side or I am not going to be spending much time with her. Other times I am in the mood for eye candy and as long as the dance isn't entirely air, if she is hot and friendly she is getting a lot of songs.

Most of the time I visit club that are down to earth. I.E. no waitresses bothering you for drinks, no idiotic unneeded bathroom attendants, and the dancers will sit down with you for a bit of conversation before we head off for several songs of a good amount of contact.

maximvsv
02-06-2011, 12:54 PM
There are a few extras dancers that I'd never consider having anything to do with. There are some that I have. There are a lot more clean dancers that I have spent money on, but I want to spend a bunch of time with them, too. Some of it has to do with personality, some with looks. I give them a chance, and over the long term, they get more from me than the extras ones.

That being said, what I hear is that clean dancers can make a great amount of money if they are paying attention and know how to tease well.

Cheo_D
02-12-2011, 10:40 AM
Oh, I definitely will Give Clean a Chance. Have often spent decent coin on good clean fun, if she's good at it.

Yet conversely, I've been in locations that made a lot of noise of having "cleaned up" where I got surprised by the level of above-and-beyond action at hand.

jack0177057
03-04-2011, 01:15 PM
If by "clean", you mean air dances - then, no - I'd rather watch free porn on the internet.

I don't care for happy-ending extras, so that makes no difference to me,... but I do want some touching.

Hopper
03-05-2011, 08:24 AM
^ The OP is apparently talking about extras. In a contact club, touching isn't an extra (except between the legs).

I have only had LDs from "clean" dancers, so yes they have a chance. But then, I have never been offered extras, so I suppose I was forced buy from clean dancers. I would probably not accept them if I were though. For one thing, apparently it is generally the unattractive dancers who offer them, and I don't want an LD or extras from an unattractive girl. Second, I don't want a hand or mouth which has been on twenty other customers' dicks that same night on mine.

jack0177057
03-30-2011, 12:49 PM
Second, I don't want a hand or mouth which has been on twenty other customers' dicks that same night on mine.

You need to get to club earlier. :D

Rookie2010
03-30-2011, 05:45 PM
How about "Dirty Dancers: do you give them a chance?" There's just something gross about a girl who will fuck and suck out in the open or where she actually works, though I guess these women are whores masquerading as strippers? I think OTC is one thing..I don't see a problem with that.. but fucking in the open where all the customers can see? Damn that's dirty as fuck

Walked into a new club today.. first of all, should of immediately noticed with the plastic chairs all around, Yeah very classy joint lol. Should of left right then. One customer was literally getting fucked out in the open for all to see. God damn and this girl had the audacity to come to me afterwards and ask if i wanted a "dance" LOL. I was in there for probably 10 minutes before I left, 10 minutes too long!
Waste of a $15 cover charge there, learned of a new club to avoid though.
Anyone in So-Cal interested in a extras happy club send me a PM LOL

FBR
04-02-2011, 11:15 AM
Actually the club I went to was a bit more subtle about their extras. I should have suspected something when the sweet little innocent (!) dancer who asked me for a dance kept waiting for a "special" spot in the far away, dark, back corner to open up.

Long story short - that ain't ALL that "opened up"! :P

Ha!I generally can read the signs but have been surprised a time or two :)

FBR

lestat1
04-18-2011, 10:15 PM
Absolutely clean dancers stand a chance. The vast majority of my club visits involve me getting dances of normal mileage for that particular club. Do I seek out clean fun & conversation? Hell no. Not because I don't want it, but because I can't find it. In fifteen years of going to strip clubs, I have met two dancers who could provide me with an enjoyable conversation. Two in fifteen years. I'm not knocking their conversation ability, it's my fault. I'm slow to warm up to people and I'm not talkative unless I feel very comfortable. So, two in fifteen years. One was in Las Vegas, and I'm heading back in May and to the same club. You can bet your butt I'm going to look for her again!

lfr
06-02-2011, 06:43 PM
My definition of extras is if the salami comes out of the package that counts. If the kitty is being touched that's extras. Anything else is kind of a gray area that I'm still trying to figure out.
Yes! reading this thread that's it for me too! :)

A very succinct post about where my line is basically.

bucket
06-02-2011, 07:37 PM
Strip Clubs and the art of stripping/dancing were around long before all the revolutionary VIP and lap dance stuff. It will probably be around should the VIP/LD side of it fade away. Noone knows what's ahead with this economy and globalization is not an easy subject to grasp.
Everything is changing right now. Where are the big spenders? Who's your daddy now? I haven't been to a club in about 4 years but I'm probably going to start going again. I don't know what to expect but I know which club I like to go to so that's good.
I can see the players at the top of the game jumping ship. Dancers with fewer options will have to have more realistic expectations of their job financially speaking. Who doesn't these days?
Personally, I'm a big fan of trickle-up poverty.
To answer the OP- I don't know.

Hopper
06-02-2011, 08:56 PM
Over the last couple of decades SCs have gone from stage shows only, to table dances, lap dances, grinding in LDs, nude LDs. nude full contact LDs, and dancers being allowed to show between their legs on stage and during LDs. We can't go beyond that without it being classed as prostitution and getting into hygene problems. The more that has become allowed in SCs, the more strictly management have monitored and controlled LDs, because of bad press and government audits. So I would expect extras to go on the decrease if anything.

lfr
06-02-2011, 09:08 PM
The more that has become allowed in SCs, the more strictly management have monitored and controlled LDs, because of bad press and government audits. So I would expect extras to go on the decrease if anything.
whoa! that's interesting. eveyrthing I read people are all sayin' that b/c of the economy they are INcreasing. :O

bucket
06-02-2011, 09:23 PM
Over the last couple of decades SCs have gone from stage shows only, to table dances, lap dances, grinding in LDs, nude LDs. nude full contact LDs, and dancers being allowed to show between their legs on stage and during LDs. We can't go beyond that without it being classed as prostitution and getting into hygene problems. The more that has become allowed in SCs, the more strictly management have monitored and controlled LDs, because of bad press and government audits. So I would expect extras to go on the decrease if anything.

If more and more illegal stuff has been going on in SC's over the last few years there's no telling what will happen in the future.
This is wierd, SC's have become the only reliable economic indicator.
As Don King would say- Only in America.
I wonder if guys try to pay for extras with food stamps.

Hopper
06-02-2011, 09:31 PM
Maybe so, and maybe it depends on which city or state. All I know is what I see. Monitoring measures for LDs have visibly increased. Management have reason to be genuine about it too - since the government always looks for excuses to fine businesses (and individuals) and interfere in other ways. I have never once been offered extras, unless I've been missing some subtle hints.

bucket
06-02-2011, 11:54 PM
Maybe so, and maybe it depends on which city or state. All I know is what I see. Monitoring measures for LDs have visibly increased. Management have reason to be genuine about it too - since the government always looks for excuses to fine businesses (and individuals) and interfere in other ways. I have never once been offered extras, unless I've been missing some subtle hints.

I was offered extras for the VIP once. I just told her the VIP is not my thing. LDs are heavily monitored in the club I go to. I don't like LDs but you have to cough up some money when you go to the club. If you want to watch the dance you have to play the game somehow.
LDs are so boring. You have to decide how excited you'll let yourself get and you sit there wondering who'll she be with later that night. Probably some joker with your money. What can you do.

BeBe
06-03-2011, 03:00 AM
Sooooo with this industry going to hell in a handbasket, do clean dancers even stand a fighting chance in the long run?

I hope so. Oherwise, I'm out of a job.

I refuse to work in a dirty club because I know I can't compete. So, I'm forced to kind of stay in a clean club and make do. It's frustrating when I know girls who bank every night in other places. Location Location. :-\

It's also frustrating to work with nasty girls that infiltrate our club from other sh$$holes. It's never going to end and probably won't get any better. Over time, my club has become more lax with the touching policies and no longer fire the girls that are caught doing extras, they just slap them on the wrist and send them back out on the floor.

What a life. >:(

Hopper
06-03-2011, 03:11 AM
^ You want to watch the girl dance but when she dances you are bored and have to pretend to be excited? Or you just don't like paying for LDs? Maybe you should just watch stage shows and tip for those. You are not obliged to buy LDs. You pay a lot just to get in the door so you have a right to sit in the club and watch the stage. As long as you tip the dancers on stage (at least the ones you like) you're covered. Don't worry about what the dancers will do with the money later on, just think about what you are getting for it. If it's not worth the money, don't buy it.

bucket
06-03-2011, 02:28 PM
^ You want to watch the girl dance but when she dances you are bored and have to pretend to be excited? Or you just don't like paying for LDs? Maybe you should just watch stage shows and tip for those. You are not obliged to buy LDs. You pay a lot just to get in the door so you have a right to sit in the club and watch the stage. As long as you tip the dancers on stage (at least the ones you like) you're covered. Don't worry about what the dancers will do with the money later on, just think about what you are getting for it. If it's not worth the money, don't buy it.
I didn't mean to imply that a LD is boring. Far from it. The routine is boring. I was only really bored with it one time. I didn't say I pretended to get excited either. How the hell is that even possible?
The club I go to is really big and a lot of guys just stand and watch the stage show. That's what I do most of the time. I tried just throwing 50 bucks or so to a girl if I want to chat but that seems to confuse most of them.
The purpose of a LD is cash flow. You have to love it. You have to hate it. I'm grown up so I can deal with it.

lopaw
06-03-2011, 06:42 PM
LDs are so boring. You have to decide how excited you'll let yourself get and you sit there wondering who'll she be with later that night. Probably some joker with your money. What can you do.


If you over-think anything too much, especially something so transitory and fleeting as a LD, you're sure to take all of the fun out of it.

LD = brain off / genitals on.

Hopper
06-03-2011, 09:49 PM
I didn't mean to imply that a LD is boring. Far from it. The routine is boring. I was only really bored with it one time. I didn't say I pretended to get excited either. How the hell is that even possible?

I don't know, that's why I was puzzled. This is the part which confused me:

"I don't like LDs but you have to cough up some money when you go to the club. If you want to watch the dance you have to play the game somehow.

LDs are so boring. You have to decide how excited you'll let yourself get"

It sounded like you were only getting LDs out of a feeling of obligation for being in the club (and annoyed that your money is going toward some guy she really likes later on).


The club I go to is really big and a lot of guys just stand and watch the stage show. That's what I do most of the time. I tried just throwing 50 bucks or so to a girl if I want to chat but that seems to confuse most of them.

Fifty bucks just to chat? May as well buy a LD and chat during that. Wouldn't it feel worse to pay a girl to chat than to pay her to dance and strip for you?


The purpose of a LD is cash flow. You have to love it. You have to hate it. I'm grown up so I can deal with it.

If all you are getting is cash flow, there is no purpose at all. I'm wondering what it is you hate about LDs. Is it the frustration of being with an attractive girl who doesn't reciprocate your feelings? That's pretty normal and yes you have to deal with it. Happily, outside the club there is a much bigger, real world containing many more girls who you can genuinely interact with. Strip clubs are strictly for fun and business.

bucket
06-03-2011, 11:10 PM
I don't know, that's why I was puzzled. This is the part which confused me:

"I don't like LDs but you have to cough up some money when you go to the club. If you want to watch the dance you have to play the game somehow.

LDs are so boring. You have to decide how excited you'll let yourself get"

It sounded like you were only getting LDs out of a feeling of obligation for being in the club (and annoyed that your money is going toward some guy she really likes later on).



Fifty bucks just to chat? May as well buy a LD and chat during that. Wouldn't it feel worse to pay a girl to chat than to pay her to dance and strip for you?



If all you are getting is cash flow, there is no purpose at all. I'm wondering what it is you hate about LDs. Is it the frustration of being with an attractive girl who doesn't reciprocate your feelings? That's pretty normal and yes you have to deal with it. Happily, outside the club there is a much bigger, real world containing many more girls who you can genuinely interact with. Strip clubs are strictly for fun and business.

I went on a real binge about 5 years ago and probably overdid it. The last LD I had was actually a lot of fun now that I think about it. She wanted to talk first before doing a LD. Maybe I should stick with that.
She was really funny.

bucket
06-03-2011, 11:32 PM
There seems to be some revisionist history going on here. When did these "brothels" fade out? Was it 85', 90' 95'? And now there's talk of the "brothels" returning.
This sounds like some serious genX BS.
Sorry ladies, I don't buy it.

wall
12-17-2011, 02:18 PM
Sooooo with this industry going to hell in a handbasket, do clean dancers even stand a fighting chance in the long run?

Every dancer's different. There are plenty of times I've had a really nice chat with a dancer and tipped her enough to cover a song or two before moving on. I don't make a habit of tipping for time, but if I know a gal and I aren't going to click in the lap department and she's cool people I'll consider it. There are also plenty of times I've gotten clean dances that were totally hot...and others I probably should've done without no matter what was on the menu.

It's all about the experience in the moment.

Doc Holliday
12-23-2011, 03:22 PM
I don't discriminate dirty dancers, but I only buy clean dances - i.e. my dick stays in my pants, our mouths and her kitty are off limits. I did once have a very drunk dancer masturbate in my lap. It wasn't sexy though; it was clumsy and adorable, like she was playing with something she never laid eyes on before. It took like four or six songs. I paid her, tipped her, made her promise she wouldn't drive home, then found her friend and asked if she'd drive her home. I guess that was dirty. I wouldn't ask. But if they do it, I'm not going to stop them, either! If they start unzipping my pants though, I will.

rickdugan
12-23-2011, 07:06 PM
^You are a hero. Really.

Omegaphallic
01-06-2012, 08:32 PM
I'll cop to being a bit of a hypocrite. If I'm dancing for a hot little white boy, I get a bit nasty in the CR. I let him touch my boobs (no sucking), I let him smack my ass, I get all wet and horny. I don't let anyone touch my kitty. (Not in the club and not for money)

Black guys usually are fixated on my ass so they can smack away to their hearts content.

I'm sure I don't have to reiterate my stance on dancing for Mexicans. :D

Boob play and spanking isn't "dirty", all my favourites do it.

As to weather "clean" stripper work will continue, stripclubs are closing at an alaraming rate, next to none are opening in my area. Many guys say Sp and Mps are give greater value for money and PUA gurus teach not to buy LDs if one wishes to bang dancers and that idea has begun to spread beyond the PUA community (for the the record I find this to be fincially parasitic)

All this competetion drains money from the collective adult entertainment budgets. On top of that you have a recession and plenty of owners that don't give a fuck anymore and are trying to dump thier clubs at over rated values.

So you have this much smaller pie, and honestly things will only get worse in the ecomony.

Plus those clean married men now have an insane amount of free porn with less hassle from the wife and more privacy (including cam girls)

Now you have split that skrinking pie three ways, one slice for none contact girls, one slice for contact girls, and one slice for extra girls, with over lap between the the slices.

Add churches, police, and femanists that want to put you out of work.

So will clean dancing work continue, yes at tourist traps like the Brass Rail, but with fewer clubs, greater competetion, and a smaller pie more girls are going to crack and search for an edge, giving into playing dirty.

For the record I have never accepted extra and any chick that gets wet on customers lap has huge advantage, especially if you got nice big tits and are good with talking dirty.

I think you'll be okay, you sound fun.

juicebox69
01-07-2012, 06:25 PM
My first atf was a air dancer and we had good otc for 6 years...now with that said if it ain't itc or otc "fun" I ain't paying but I'm a low balling peace of shit that loves getting away with what I can so u know ! : ..know with that said good convo and the girl friend experince will go along way with me if their is no extras to say)

CCRiderM
02-04-2012, 04:43 AM
"coquettish glances"

^^^ I totally agree with this! Its key. I wish more girls would watch some of the old 40's videos & see how the starlets back around that era used their eyes. Extremely flirtatious glances with even the slightest of movements goes a long way.

I wish I could thank this one about 40 times. Ladies, the eyes are 75% of the dance. If you've got eye contact and use it right, damn, you'll just empty my wallet. I don't know how many times I've had a girl just staring over my head at the wall, mirror, etc. That ALWAYS results in a tap on the leg after the first dance and a "Thanks sweetie." Now, if she tilts her head down a bit, looks through her lashes and just lightly caresses the side of my face with her fingertips while just sitting on my lap? We might be there until we get kicked out at closing time! Remember, it's the fantasy. Staring over my head doesn't make me think that you WANT to be there.

CCRiderM
02-04-2012, 04:51 AM
"Clean" dancers?
Nah.
I like them dirty gurls ;D.

I love Lopaw.....have I mentioned that lately? ;)

Redwolf
02-05-2012, 10:31 AM
I wish I could thank this one about 40 times. Ladies, the eyes are 75% of the dance. If you've got eye contact and use it right, damn, you'll just empty my wallet. I don't know how many times I've had a girl just staring over my head at the wall, mirror, etc. That ALWAYS results in a tap on the leg after the first dance and a "Thanks sweetie." Now, if she tilts her head down a bit, looks through her lashes and just lightly caresses the side of my face with her fingertips while just sitting on my lap? We might be there until we get kicked out at closing time! Remember, it's the fantasy. Staring over my head doesn't make me think that you WANT to be there.

Agreed.

Hopper
02-11-2012, 07:59 PM
Perhaps society has just moved on one more jaded step. Perhaps the next logical step is for SCs to openly become brothels where "extras" (i.e. sex) are the actual service customers pay for in private rooms. Personally I don't go to brothels and contact LDs are as far as I want to go in a club setting. There are many reasons for why this type of arrangement would definitely not appeal to me - basically, the same reasons brothels don't appeal to me. But if SCs are losing customers and many customers want extras, perhaps that is where the money is now. I realize that many dancers now working would not take on this kind of work, but there are girls who would be willing to do it, if the environment were made safe and clean enough for them.

yoda57us
02-11-2012, 10:02 PM
Perhaps society has just moved on one more jaded step. Perhaps the next logical step is for SCs to openly become brothels where "extras" (i.e. sex) are the actual service customers pay for in private rooms.

Or perhaps not since that would mean that clean dancers would have no place to work. If we are going to make the assumption, as you seem to have, that P4P sex is suddenly legal then the logical option would be to confine P4P sex to brothels and non-extras oriented exotic entertainment to strip clubs-as it should be.

rickdugan
02-12-2012, 08:35 PM
Perhaps society has just moved on one more jaded step. Perhaps the next logical step is for SCs to openly become brothels where "extras" (i.e. sex) are the actual service customers pay for in private rooms. Personally I don't go to brothels and contact LDs are as far as I want to go in a club setting. There are many reasons for why this type of arrangement would definitely not appeal to me - basically, the same reasons brothels don't appeal to me. But if SCs are losing customers and many customers want extras, perhaps that is where the money is now. I realize that many dancers now working would not take on this kind of work, but there are girls who would be willing to do it, if the environment were made safe and clean enough for them.

A little dramatic, no? Brothels already exist, as do the types of clubs that you are talking about, so there are already plenty of options for guys who just want to blow a load with an attractive woman. I also think that you are going a bit overboard in that, while there are definitely some clubs that have gotten more risque over time, there are also plenty of clubs in different parts of the country where things have remained fairly clean.

Guys who frequent strip clubs are not necessariloy the same guys who are looking for simple p4p transactions, though there is certainly some cross-over. Strip clubs offer a lot that one simply cannot get from a blow and go type of operation. If the market did not value them for what they offer, then they would have already morphed into something else or simply faded out of existence for lack of demand.

misslizzy
02-12-2012, 10:56 PM
My definition of extras is if the salami comes out of the package that counts. If the kitty is being touched that's extras. Anything else is kind of a gray area that I'm still trying to figure out.
That grey area is only grey because it's so negotiable based on location. When I was dancing in NJ, Philly, and Phoenix, I did well without ever letting anyone touch my tits. I have never had an issue with having my ass grabbed, but I definitely preferred clubs that let me charge extra for it. Here in Texas, ass and titty grabbing is so standard, a girl who isn't a 9 or a perfect 10 can barely compete without it. So I charge double for tits.


Maybe so, and maybe it depends on which city or state. All I know is what I see. Monitoring measures for LDs have visibly increased. Management have reason to be genuine about it too - since the government always looks for excuses to fine businesses (and individuals) and interfere in other ways. I have never once been offered extras, unless I've been missing some subtle hints. I'd love to know what city you patronize clubs in. I've seen very few managers who genuinely care about extras in the club, and even fewer clubs where these things are regularly monitored.

Hopper
02-13-2012, 06:50 AM
Or perhaps not since that would mean that clean dancers would have no place to work. If we are going to make the assumption, as you seem to have, that P4P sex is suddenly legal then the logical option would be to confine P4P sex to brothels and non-extras oriented exotic entertainment to strip clubs-as it should be.

I was going on the assumption that what some others here are complaining about is true, i.e. that SCs are being pushed out of the market. Personally I would like it if SCs stayed in existence too. I don't go to brothels and I do like clean LDs.

socialreject
03-03-2012, 10:57 PM
This may seem weird, but I prefer to be teased senseless with a LD. I only go to topless clubs, mainly because I find full-nude distasteful. A dancer with a cute-as-hell, frilly school girl skirt and panties is sure as hell guaranteed to get paid for multiple LDs with me. If it's her first time with me, I always ask if contact is allowed. I always get a Yes.
I also always get a minimum of at least crotch-grinding and tit-crotch-grinding. For some reason those are very popular activities here (I never ask for anything extra). So I really don't consider that kind of contact to be extra, because it's so normal here.
I suppose I still consider that to be clean. There is no direct genital contact, and no bodily fluids involved (unless you count perspiration). I wouldn't want that kind of dirty contact anyway.