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Chili Palmer
10-03-2010, 04:12 PM
C'mon jasmine, what guys brag?
FBR
Not true, FBR, What about all that bragging about college GPAs in a recent thread?
Wait, that was strippers doing that...? Oops, my bad. :dopey:
CP
jester214
10-03-2010, 10:50 PM
The never of "perfect" customers and dancers these types of threads bring out never ceases to amaze me.
Elvia
10-03-2010, 10:58 PM
The people who are on power trips will find each other. Everyone else will avoid these people as much as possible and look for like minded people to have fun with. You can decide for yourself which one you want to be.
JoeUnCool
10-04-2010, 06:47 AM
Not true, FBR, What about all that bragging about college GPAs in a recent thread?
Wait, that was strippers doing that...? Oops, my bad. :dopey:
CP
Yeah, completely agree. I have no problem with the girls from the penthouse coming down to the basement, but this is complete and utter crap.
Jasmine, stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Your attitude is no better than a common criminal. You should be ashamed of yourself for feeling that way. You are no different than either of the gruesome twosome. Attiudes like yours are dangerous and will lead you into a horrible direction in life. I really feel sorry for you and where you are taking your life.
Elvia
10-04-2010, 05:49 PM
^^^ Did I miss soemthing? I don't see anything about stealing mentioned in this thread. All I can see is that she says she will "take their money." Usually when we say that, we mean will accept their money, either as freely given tips or by selling dances.
JoeUnCool
10-04-2010, 06:05 PM
^^^ Did I miss soemthing? I don't see anything about stealing mentioned in this thread. All I can see is that she says she will "take their money." Usually when we say that, we mean will accept their money, either as freely given tips or by selling dances.
One of the definitions of steal is to "take by deceit." That is how the statement is interpreted.
Elvia
10-04-2010, 06:32 PM
^^^ Yeah...I don't see it. And that is not what is typically meant by dancers when used in that context. You're assuming too much. I don't see anything about deceit mentioned. She said she doesn't like married men coming into the club but she will happily take their money. I don't see how you get from that to deceit or stealing. Unless you think it's deceitful and therefore stealing for us to pretend to like people more than we do. I'd say that's the nature of the job, and no one goes to a strip club to have strange women treat them however they would outside of the club. You can get shot down for free just about everywhere.
yoda57us
10-04-2010, 08:07 PM
Jasmine, stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Your attitude is no better than a common criminal. You should be ashamed of yourself for feeling that way. You are no different than either of the gruesome twosome. Attiudes like yours are dangerous and will lead you into a horrible direction in life. I really feel sorry for you and where you are taking your life.
Huh? I have to agree with Elvia here. WTF are you talking about?!
jasmine22
10-05-2010, 02:23 AM
Interesting...
OK, so to be clear, you are OK with taking a married guy's money even though you think he is pond scum for spending it on you? Thanks, got it!
"trick"? LMAO! This speaks volumes about how far you are looking down your nose your customers or, perhaps, all men in general. LOL, not that I think you care at this point...
yes....I dont care. but i dont think its right for someone whos married to cheat man or woman. I dont think hes scum but def dont agree with what hes doing.
I dont look down at customers or men....just maybe a good percentage of them lol:) I give them the same respect they show me when they walk through the door, and for one nice guy i ll get 10 that are total douchebags, so yeah some customers i look down on and i dont care.
Now guys who pay for sex i was more or less referring to ricks mean comments toward another girl on here. If he wants brag about all the women hes bought, then whats wrong with saying wow im glad i dont have to do that?
jasmine22
10-05-2010, 02:24 AM
Jasmine, stealing is stealing, plain and simple. Your attitude is no better than a common criminal. You should be ashamed of yourself for feeling that way. You are no different than either of the gruesome twosome. Attiudes like yours are dangerous and will lead you into a horrible direction in life. I really feel sorry for you and where you are taking your life.
Thanks i needed to laugh tonight.:D
JoeUnCool
10-05-2010, 06:53 AM
I dont look down at customers or men....just maybe a good percentage of them lol:) I give them the same respect they show me when they walk through the door, and for one nice guy i ll get 10 that are total douchebags, so yeah some customers i look down on and i dont care.
And that's fair as long as you realize not everyone is the same. Unfortunately, your statement sounded just like the vocal one of the gruesome twosome. The language you are using sounds exactly like her's did. Remember that the other side is also used to scumbags trying to take their money.
JoeUnCool
10-05-2010, 07:04 AM
^^^ Yeah...I don't see it. And that is not what is typically meant by dancers when used in that context. You're assuming too much. I don't see anything about deceit mentioned. She said she doesn't like married men coming into the club but she will happily take their money. I don't see how you get from that to deceit or stealing. Unless you think it's deceitful and therefore stealing for us to pretend to like people more than we do. I'd say that's the nature of the job, and no one goes to a strip club to have strange women treat them however they would outside of the club. You can get shot down for free just about everywhere.
I get what you are saying. Unfortunately Jasmine used the same phrases from the gruesome twosome. Until you have been through total hell and made it out the other side, you won't get it (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpost.php?p=1876071&postcount=3858).
Elvia
10-05-2010, 02:00 PM
^^^ That's a bizarre story, but you need to check that baggage and stop projecting it on random people here. I've had to deal with a stalker to, but i don't go around accusing random people online of being criminals over the most bizarre innocent statements.
yoda57us
10-05-2010, 04:42 PM
Until you have been through total hell and made it out the other side, you won't get it (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showpost.php?p=1876071&postcount=3858).
We don't really need to "get it" but, seriously, you need to get over it already and move on. Trying to turn every thread here into an excuse for you to wine about your past is one thing but attacking another poster because she wrote something that reminded you of someone who f'd you over is just plain weird...and wrong!
laurcon
10-06-2010, 01:02 AM
^ thanks x1000.
Golden_Rule
10-06-2010, 01:20 AM
Absolutely.
I honestly don't know why customers would want to venture into a place like Hustle Hut in the first place. I haven't read anything in there for a very long time. I don't want to know what the latest hustle techniques are and how they will be used on me someday. I prefer, in my pathetic way, to keep a hint of the "fantasy" alive while I am inside the club.
I'm a pragmatist. Prepare for the worst and hope for better. I want to know how every hustle works.
When I wanted to become a consultant in computer security I feigned my way into the phreaking/hacking community and had the black hats teach me all their tricks.
When I wanted to get good at poker the first thing I did was learn how to cheat at cards. Not because I ever want to cheat myself, but to recognize when someone is trying to cheat me.
Maybe its the cop in me, I don't know, but if there is a way to push buttons I want to know more about it than anyone else in the room with me at any given time.
laurcon
10-06-2010, 01:40 AM
^ Sounds fun. Like how you compare going to a strip club to getting a job or being "good" at a card game.
I prefer to just have fun with awesome guys and let the money fall where it may (mostly lots of it in my lap), no real hustle or button pushing needed. Well, besides the obvious large cylindrical button in his pants :P
^ Which please don't take to mean I literally rub guys dicks to get them to a CR. I just mean the general idea of appealing to his hard cock. I felt like I had to clarify after a previous similar misinterpretation here.
rickdugan
10-06-2010, 03:54 AM
yes....I dont care. but i dont think its right for someone whos married to cheat man or woman. I dont think hes scum but def dont agree with what hes doing.
I dont look down at customers or men....just maybe a good percentage of them lol:) I give them the same respect they show me when they walk through the door, and for one nice guy i ll get 10 that are total douchebags, so yeah some customers i look down on and i dont care.
Now guys who pay for sex i was more or less referring to ricks mean comments toward another girl on here. If he wants brag about all the women hes bought, then whats wrong with saying wow im glad i dont have to do that?
It seems that there is enough baggage to go around in this thread and it is not limited to just Joe. 10 of every 11 customers are total douchebags? Really? Wow. Or perhaps is this, maybe just a little at least, a function of your own defensiveness and bitterness? ::)
In terms of the the other stuff, I don't care if you trumpet your freedom from p4p issues across the rooftops, but, like I said, if you simply have a moral issue with it then too bad. It is a reality and, as I'm sure you can see, is discussed often down here.
JoeUnCool
10-06-2010, 09:23 AM
We don't really need to "get it" but, seriously, you need to get over it already and move on. Trying to turn every thread here into an excuse for you to wine about your past is one thing but attacking another poster because she wrote something that reminded you of someone who f'd you over is just plain weird...and wrong!
I get what you are saying. :) Unfortunately, until one has lived through it, you don't get what the "words" mean.
An interesting side effect of the guesome twosome was that I have also been able to stop people from making errors because I understand what the words that less than ethical people say. While I cannot provide details due to my anonimity, I can safely say that the experience with the gruesome twosome also saved my family millions of $s when I caught the words that were being used in a negotiation. The family patriarch, who is a bit too ethical but otherwise a very sharp person, did not "get" the lines that were being fed to him, i did. Thankfully, after consultation between he and I, he believed what I was saying, and we were able to stop what would have cheated us out of millions of $. As the event played itself out, my prediction on everything was nearly spot on. After the event was over, he thanked me more than once.
As I have also stated, I have met several really great people who I am friends with to this day. If an entertainer started talking about their autistic child, adopted children, finances, career outside of the club, then I'd have a lot more to contribute and you'd see a different side. Unfortunately, the girls from the penthouse don't come to the basement to discuss that. I haven't read any threads about this started by us boys in the penthouse either. I have read more than one thread in the penthouse about "Men shouldn't be allowed in the penthouse." While I disagree with that statement, and I have no problems with ladies in the basement, I see no reason to start another shitstorm in pink that provides no value to anyone.
For example, where's a few things you don't hear about:
Right after I joined and didn't know about the unwritten rules of the penthouse and basement, I read where one entertainer (in the penthouse) had issues with how someone else treating a child strangely (or something like that). I think she was in Northern Cali. I have a friend that works with children services in Indiana. I felt bad and sent a pm to that entertainer to call my friend. Besides the fact she probably thinks I am a nutcase, you wouldn't hear about that.
You don't hear about the Christmas presents I bought for an entertainer's adopted children for several years. i didn't buy them because there was anything between us (there isn't nor will there ever be) and she didn't ask me to. I knew she didn't have 2 nickels to rub together. No, I am not child offender either. Sometimes, its important to do the right things in life.
The entertainer at the SC that was crying her eyes out because something happened to someone in her family. She needed to leave but told the bartender that she had no money for gas. I ended up giving her $20. Never expected to see it again but danged if she didn't pay me back.
I tried to mention about the excellent discussion I had with an entertainer that started out as an argument where all she did was bitch. Its a long story as to what the argument was about. She didn't fly off the handle and made very good points. 95% of the general population couldn't do what she did. When I posted about it, all i got was chewed out in the penthouse. I just said f*** it and deleted my post.
You don't hear about these things and others because there isn't a good place for it in either the penthouse or basement. They don't want us in the penthouse and no one in the basement cares.
People are shaped by the events of our lives. The "gruesome twosome" was one of those events. I've had a bunch of others, unfortunately, these just don't play out here due to the subject matter.
PS. Apologies for being rather long winded and going out on a tangent, but hey, that's me.
Golden_Rule
10-06-2010, 10:26 AM
That is how i would feel personally thats why i said it. Why is that off base, i dont know a whole lot of women who pay for sex, dick is free lol!!
Nothing is actually free.
Dick costs. Its means of capital expenditure is simply different than $$$ [usually].
Women pay for penis all the time. Ask any number of women who support loser boyfriends. Even in "normal" productive households there is a quid pro quo of exchange between men and women.
Men pay for access to pussy. Even if they aren't paying in dollars.
Getting access to sex almost always involves negotiating some form of social contract. Everyone is exchanging something for something.
Since that is the case it simply comes down to deciding what manner(s) of payment are acceptable to you. *I* won't pass judgement on another persons decision making process in that regard.
Golden_Rule
10-06-2010, 10:31 AM
^ Sounds fun. Like how you compare going to a strip club to getting a job or being "good" at a card game.
I prefer to just have fun with awesome guys and let the money fall where it may (mostly lots of it in my lap), no real hustle or button pushing needed. Well, besides the obvious large cylindrical button in his pants :P
You see though, when I at least think I have a clue about what can, or might, be done... all the angles in play... I can relax and just have fun because my bases, and my six o'clock, are covered.
^ Which please don't take to mean I literally rub guys dicks to get them to a CR. I just mean the general idea of appealing to his hard cock. I felt like I had to clarify after a previous similar misinterpretation here.
I gathered what you meant, but either way you weren't going to get a negative reaction from me. :)
laurcon
10-06-2010, 10:08 PM
For example, where's a few things you don't hear about:
Right after I joined and didn't know about the unwritten rules of the penthouse and basement, I read where one entertainer (in the penthouse) had issues with how someone else treating a child strangely (or something like that). I think she was in Northern Cali. I have a friend that works with children services in Indiana. I felt bad and sent a pm to that entertainer to call my friend. Besides the fact she probably thinks I am a nutcase, you wouldn't hear about that.
You don't hear about the Christmas presents I bought for an entertainer's adopted children for several years. i didn't buy them because there was anything between us (there isn't nor will there ever be) and she didn't ask me to. I knew she didn't have 2 nickels to rub together. No, I am not child offender either. Sometimes, its important to do the right things in life.
The entertainer at the SC that was crying her eyes out because something happened to someone in her family. She needed to leave but told the bartender that she had no money for gas. I ended up giving her $20. Never expected to see it again but danged if she didn't pay me back.
I tried to mention about the excellent discussion I had with an entertainer that started out as an argument where all she did was bitch. Its a long story as to what the argument was about. She didn't fly off the handle and made very good points. 95% of the general population couldn't do what she did. When I posted about it, all i got was chewed out in the penthouse. I just said f*** it and deleted my post.
You don't hear about these things and others because there isn't a good place for it in either the penthouse or basement. They don't want us in the penthouse and no one in the basement cares.
Wow dude, idk wtf the "gruesome twosome" is but I can tell you are a true sucker. My SD gets these sob stories from strippers all the time, from Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. (I know, he gets around) But it's always the same pathetic stories and asking for help ($$$). It's so embarrassing for my profession :-[
Like you already know, there is a very good reason we don't hear about these things ::)
Perry
10-07-2010, 01:40 PM
Pay for penis?? I'm sorry, but, no. Not at all. Do you count being nice, smelling good and being reasonably attractive as paying? I do not. And apart from that, well, I don't do anything else for the penis. And I've never spent any money at all for it. I would go so far to say that there is a willing penis surplus.
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Elvia
10-07-2010, 01:48 PM
I get what you are saying. :) Unfortunately, until one has lived through it, you don't get what the "words" mean.
What the words mean to YOU. Which is not what the words actually mean. Important distinction there.
yoda57us
10-07-2010, 03:33 PM
I get what you are saying. :) Unfortunately, until one has lived through it, you don't get what the "words" mean.
Honestly Joe like most people I have lived through a fair amount of drama, foolishness, betrayal and stupidity in my life. I learn my lessons and I move on. I use the lessons learned in my every day dealings with others. What I don't do is decide to judge every person or situation that comes along against other unpleasant experiences that have happened with unrelated people.
You keep saying we don't understand what you are talking about because we didn't go through it. Seriously, so what? The "poor me" stuff is getting old...
Golden_Rule
10-08-2010, 10:20 AM
Pay for penis?? I'm sorry, but, no. Not at all. Do you count being nice, smelling good and being reasonably attractive as paying? I do not. And apart from that, well, I don't do anything else for the penis. And I've never spent any money at all for it. I would go so far to say that there is a willing penis surplus.
We all negotiate for the things we need from each other. We all exchange things of emotional, physical and yes even monetary value with each other to gain in some way from the exchange.
Relationships are social contracts. The very definition of a contract is an agreement to exchange, quid pro quo, things of value.
Case in point: Even in a simple one night stand if your are getting penis you are exchanging va jay jay. Quid pro quo. Something given for something received.
Perry
10-08-2010, 09:08 PM
I don't get it. I get to keep my pussy after the encounter. I haven't lost or paid anything. Unless I've become knocked up or riddled with disease from the transaction. But, lets say we used a condom. I or he may be out $2.50.
Still pretty sure if you put all the homeless penis is a room, well, guys would soon end up lining around the block. And the lonely vaginas... could probably fit in a one bedroom apartment.
JoeUnCool
10-13-2010, 05:40 AM
Honestly Joe like most people I have lived through a fair amount of drama, foolishness, betrayal and stupidity in my life. I learn my lessons and I move on. I use the lessons learned in my every day dealings with others. What I don't do is decide to judge every person or situation that comes along against other unpleasant experiences that have happened with unrelated people.
You keep saying we don't understand what you are talking about because we didn't go through it. Seriously, so what? The "poor me" stuff is getting old...
The stories I can tell you about life in dealing with some people in corporations is just as bad. Unfortunately, this is not a forum about "corporate life" but one about strip club junkies. For me, that means that protecting ones self is on the list of acceptable items. I don't judge every person the same way, however, the "take their money" statement does set me off. No different than a recent thread on hazing.
As for the "poor me" stuff, well, I do like to exagerate a good story. Someday, you might here about my recent flight out of Atl, but that's for another time.
PS. I haven't taken anything you have said as negative. :)