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Djoser
09-20-2010, 12:53 AM
I don't know. Kevin Garnett talks more trash than anybody in the NBA, and he's pretty good.
You missed my point. I don't watch basketball, it's boring as all fuck to me, so I don't care how good the guy is at tossing balls around. If he does nothing but brag about himself and how fucking good he is, he's got an issue deep down with insecurity.
It's a lot more common than everyone suspects, and can actually be a force for Good I suppose. It has certainly helped build many an empire. Shaka zulu could be a prime example of this insecurity motivating people to excel and rule.
Usually it's just a force at work for no one's particular good. Like Donald Trump, for instance. I'm quite sure he's good at some things, certainly self-promotion, and beating financial adversity. But he's also a big fat sack of hot gas with deep down issues of insecurity. That's plain as day to anyone with any real perception.
Like my favorite waitress I work with (who also excels on the pole being a former dancer) said the other day, while I was playing 'Cocky' by Kid Rock. You know, 'it ain't braggin if you back it up, motherfucker, etc.'
"It's still bragging if you back it up. Kid Rock is an asshole."
I like some of his songs, he is talented, etc., etc. But yeah he sure sounds like an asshole a lot of the time. I always had a little problem with that song anyway; why the fuck does he say "I'm from the outskirts of Detroit..." like it's supposed to mean anything at all? I'm from the actual fucking city of Detroit, 7 Mile Rd to be exact, one mile further in than the movie--and it's not something to brag about really.
Christany
09-20-2010, 01:08 AM
^^
lolz. Remember when he first came out? His PR people made it seem like everyone else already knew who he was, but no one really knew him at all. Next thing you know every stripper's got a patriotic bikini theme set to American Badass. I don't really see too many dancing to his Sheryl Crow duets though.
Djoser
09-20-2010, 01:12 AM
Oh fuck they used to beg me to play that all the time in one club! Hahaha! I got so sick of that song after a while...
Kisca
09-20-2010, 01:59 AM
Its like rappers.. they rap/sing about anything.. when it isnt true and they make money cause some people believe it, some dont. In the end it makes money, thats all they care. But when you truely find out about their persona, im betting their pretty different.
I did dance to one of his songs called "you never met a motherfucker quiet like me" on my first day... errhm
Djoser
09-20-2010, 02:03 AM
Oh yeah I need to play that one more, thanks for reminding me lol. That's one of his better songs actually. I think so.
It doesn't matter whether or not I like Kid Rock or I think he's insecure, whatever. I have to play him a lot because a lot of girls ask for him, and the customers like it. But sorry Kisca this is threadjack lol.
Kisca
09-20-2010, 02:55 AM
Totally cool.. Its always interesting when the subject changes... I actually dont even know how :S
Djoser
09-20-2010, 03:06 AM
The philosopher Montaigne believed that conversations should flow freely from one subject to another. I'm inclined to agree where it comes to The Lounge, unless people start bitching about it maybe.
I have always noticed that these conversations tend to happen with the best and coolest of friends--where you keep stopping and going 'How the fuck did we get on this topic?! What the hell were we talking about before??' Active minds tend to take off on tangents I think.
Or when you dispense with trying to keep mental track of the path of the conversation for one reason or another, and nonetheless find your selves returning full circle to the original topic.
;D
The Six
09-20-2010, 09:18 AM
You missed my point. I don't watch basketball, it's boring as all fuck to me, so I don't care how good the guy is at tossing balls around. If he does nothing but brag about himself and how fucking good he is, he's got an issue deep down with insecurity.
But you still haven't explained why.
Also I think the original point was actually trash talking in sports, which is why I brought up "boring as all fuck" basketball. I don't think trash talking is necessarily a sign of insecurity as much as a tactic to get in the opponent's head. And even if it's just a pick-up game played by some chubby guys in their 40s, it can just be for fun.
Djoser
09-20-2010, 11:38 AM
Well of course it's fun, if you are actually out there doing something you like. Or did you mean trash talking? I thought you meant actually playing the game.
I see now I have maybe misunderstood what you meant by 'talking trash'. I have no idea who the guy you mentioned is, so have never heard him do it, so I thought he was a basketball player of some repute, renowned for bragging about how fantastic he was at playing basketball.
But by 'trash talking' you apparently mean he is renowned for telling his future opponents how abysmally poor they are at the same sport, especially compared to himself? There is a subtle difference, yes. Bragging serves no purpose other than to draw attention to oneself. Bragging about how much worse your future opponent is than yourself could conceivably intimidate him so he goes into the contest/game/pissing match at a mental disadvantage.
"morale is to the physical as three is to one" Napoleon Bonaparte
Still sounds boring as all fuck to me. But a lot of things I like (military history for instance) are boring to most other people, so who cares?
As for explaining why people who brag incessantly are insecure, I should think it would be obvious. People brag to get attention, and to pump up their image in their listeners' minds (or so they think). If you have a constant need for attention and approval, you have weakness. A truly confident person does not need to blather on endlessly to other people about how good he is, or hear himself endlessly praised. He already knows it.
she sells sanctuary
09-20-2010, 01:31 PM
eh. i've known a lot of people who talk shit and really believe it. i don't know how some of them can be so freakishly delusional. but it works fine for them. they talk their shit and some people fall for it, and anyone smart enough to see through it they just call jealous or a hater or whatever, and they never once bother to take a look at themself to consider if they are anything other than infallible.
i used to assume they were insecure and pity them. i'd be nice to them, be supportive of them, try to find something positive to say about the awful song they just made (most of the ones i've met have been shitty musicians). but my pity just helped feed into their cocky bullshit. honesty wouldn't have done them any good either, since they'd have dismissed it. at least i wouldn't have wasted time and frustration though.
i think a lot of people see cocky people as insecure and react to them the way i used to, by being nice. i think that's how that pua shit is able to work sometimes. the puas tell themselves that peacocking and negging and all that are ways of showing status. blah blah. whatever. no, if someone sees that, they'll see a socially inept loser who is trying to make an impression. and some people will take pity and be nice to them. sometimes the people are really hot girls, and that's how a lot of creepy jerks are able to trick hot girls into banging them. well, and some of the girls are stupid and believe whatever anyone tells them. but a lot of it is pity. i've seen it and done it.
Djoser
09-21-2010, 04:18 AM
i've known a lot of people who talk shit and really believe it. i don't know how some of them can be so freakishly delusional. but it works fine for them. they talk their shit and some people fall for it, and anyone smart enough to see through it they just call jealous or a hater or whatever, and they never once bother to take a look at themself to consider if they are anything other than infallible.
You are right on the money about people believing their own line of shit. I've been observing that the worst bullshit artists are these types for many years now, since dealing with some slick sign salesmen in Texas way the hell back. They were notorious for fucking people over, and eventually the IRS shut them down. One morning the worst of them actually complained to me that everyone was trying to fuck him! That's when it hit me. He really believed it!!
Ever since then I have seen that it goes on everywhere, with all different kinds of bullshitters.
But I'm never nice to braggarts. They are just too boring, for one thing. All I want to do is get away so I don't have to listen to them or their attendant asskissers (if any). The more asskissers they have, unfortunately, the worse they tend to be, and the more excruciatingly boring being anywhere near them is. Television makes this 10,000 times worse, which is another reason I cannot watch it.
I might be nice to someone who is insecure, if they don't compensate with sociopathic behavior.
The PUAs are prime examples of overcompensation for insecurity. Magic himself has described how he was insecure when he was young, before he Figured It All Out. But it must be said that the PUA techniques work very, very well on stupid, insecure women, I have seen it. And there are millions of them out there, just like there are millions of dumb dipshit guys stuck in atavistic behavior patterns for breeding purposes.
KS_Stevia
09-21-2010, 10:13 AM
I like Kevin Garnett, he's sexy. Not my type usually tho. That's all....
AngelKing
09-22-2010, 04:36 PM
Most of the stuff above was way over my head, but I do know that me and my friends talk a lot of shit to each other, and we have refined it almost into an art form. It's just how we relate to one another, and none of us are insecure people at all.
she sells sanctuary
09-25-2010, 04:29 PM
^ talking shit as in joke insults or talking shit as in telling your fat, ugly, unemployed friend that a sports illustrated bikini model is a bitch for not begging for his 2" cock. and meaning it.
these are different. i'm totally cool with the first. people who engage in the first are usually completely unaware that people do the second.
totally with you djoser. last night, i saw this pua in action and everything. i really wanted to tell the girls what was going on, since they were dumb and hot, but i was busy. kinda regret it. tbh, i was too busy feeling shitty for not having any pua creeps hit on me lately. they may be annoying, but at least you know you're hot when you're knee deep in negs and shit.
unbeleavable
09-25-2010, 05:54 PM
^^agree..there is a difference
AngelKing
09-25-2010, 06:44 PM
talking shit as in telling your fat, ugly, unemployed friend that a sports illustrated bikini model is a bitch for not begging for his 2" cock. and meaning it.
Do people actually say shit like that and mean it? And do I actually have any fat, ugly, unemployed friends?
she sells sanctuary
09-25-2010, 07:35 PM
^ lol. i think i went a little far. but you know. there's some guys you want to encourage with ladies, but you still have to be honest with yourself and consider that they aren't great catches, even if they are great friends.
and yes, some people definitely really are like that. mostly about themselves, but when guys like this meet and become friends, they say it to each other too. "what, jenna jameson didn't want to pay you 10k to such your dick? what a stuck up bitch. she should be grateful." yes, there are people who think this way and say these things.
and yes, there are girls who are miserable enough to fuck them anyways.
AngelKing
09-25-2010, 08:59 PM
I'm pretty sure one of my buddies has a 2" cock though ;D
Kellydancer
09-26-2010, 02:14 PM
^ talking shit as in joke insults or talking shit as in telling your fat, ugly, unemployed friend that a sports illustrated bikini model is a bitch for not begging for his 2" cock. and meaning it.
these are different. i'm totally cool with the first. people who engage in the first are usually completely unaware that people do the second.
totally with you djoser. last night, i saw this pua in action and everything. i really wanted to tell the girls what was going on, since they were dumb and hot, but i was busy. kinda regret it. tbh, i was too busy feeling shitty for not having any pua creeps hit on me lately. they may be annoying, but at least you know you're hot when you're knee deep in negs and shit.
I knew a guy like this. He was as disgusting as you could possibly imagine (fat, smelly, sloppy clothes, unemployed, bad personality, etc) yet thought he deserved a hot girl. I'll never forget his personal ad looking for a tall blonde with a great figure and large breasts. Of course he never got responses and couldn't figure out why he was still single at 40 (and is likely still single at 50).
Why is it the pua's are almost always disgusting? These are the losers that hit on me when I go to bars (don't much anymore more partly because of them). Always disgusting. The attractive guys rarely hit on anyone.
AngelKing
09-26-2010, 03:26 PM
The attractive guys rarely hit on anyone.
That's because most of those guys already have boyfriends.
(That was a joke!)
Kellydancer
09-26-2010, 04:33 PM
That's because most of those guys already have boyfriends.
(That was a joke!)
Unfortunately that seems to be the truth. I went to an art college and all my hot male classmates were gay. I always say it's got to be a joke that most of the hot guys are gay and all the smelly, disgusting, fat slobs aren't.
Kisca
09-26-2010, 08:01 PM
Unfortunately that seems to be the truth. I went to an art college and all my hot male classmates were gay. I always say it's got to be a joke that most of the hot guys are gay and all the smelly, disgusting, fat slobs aren't.
The good looking guys get a "better" treament from females. They know they arent bad looking so most likely know how to properly communicate w/ a female. The ugly ones got a big ego, or no cell in the brain to actually realize they're ugly..stupid.. and all that etc. They never gotten that attention from females.. and IF they have Im sure those girls were smart and erhm attractive. But I HATE HATE HATE those guys.. that ARE good-looking but stupid and ego-ish as hell. I went to a bar one time and this guy talked to me he was normal looking not a super.. but my taste..average. But his ego was crazy that he called me a bitch by me telling him he was a jerk!
Kellydancer
09-26-2010, 09:46 PM
The good looking guys get a "better" treament from females. They know they arent bad looking so most likely know how to properly communicate w/ a female. The ugly ones got a big ego, or no cell in the brain to actually realize they're ugly..stupid.. and all that etc. They never gotten that attention from females.. and IF they have Im sure those girls were smart and erhm attractive. But I HATE HATE HATE those guys.. that ARE good-looking but stupid and ego-ish as hell. I went to a bar one time and this guy talked to me he was normal looking not a super.. but my taste..average. But his ego was crazy that he called me a bitch by me telling him he was a jerk!
I hatethose stupid guys. I too have noticed these fat ugly guys who have bad personalities to match but think they are hot. That I'll never get.
she sells sanctuary
09-26-2010, 10:19 PM
Why is it the pua's are almost always disgusting? These are the losers that hit on me when I go to bars (don't much anymore more partly because of them). Always disgusting. The attractive guys rarely hit on anyone.
they aren't. one of the first lessons in pua is to work on themselves. they aren't supposed to worry about being perfect, but they are expected to get into shape and have good grooming.
a disgusting guy hitting on a hot girl is just a delusional oaf. he's not a pua.
puas are mostly fairly normal looking guys who get into it so they can score as much ass as they can, and so they can control the girls/women they get involved with. a lot of them are neurotic and controlling people in general. a lot of them (gasp) are nerds.
youtube some mystery videos and tell me that dude isn't nerdy as fuck.
and attractive guys hit on plenty of girls (and guys, unfortunately). they just don't do it by "hitting on" them. they say hi. they don't have to do more. if a girl doesn't respond quickly, they'll assume she's just not interested and move on to someone who does respond.
well, or they're puas (hot guys can do that too). in which case, run. you're gonna get your heart broken.
Kellydancer
09-26-2010, 11:43 PM
they aren't. one of the first lessons in pua is to work on themselves. they aren't supposed to worry about being perfect, but they are expected to get into shape and have good grooming.
a disgusting guy hitting on a hot girl is just a delusional oaf. he's not a pua.
puas are mostly fairly normal looking guys who get into it so they can score as much ass as they can, and so they can control the girls/women they get involved with. a lot of them are neurotic and controlling people in general. a lot of them (gasp) are nerds.
youtube some mystery videos and tell me that dude isn't nerdy as fuck.
and attractive guys hit on plenty of girls (and guys, unfortunately). they just don't do it by "hitting on" them. they say hi. they don't have to do more. if a girl doesn't respond quickly, they'll assume she's just not interested and move on to someone who does respond.
well, or they're puas (hot guys can do that too). in which case, run. you're gonna get your heart broken.
Maybe I've been "lucky" but guys who often hit on me are the fat disgusting guys. I've had hot guys hit on me but could sense what they wanted a mile away. Then again when anyone hits on me in a bar I usually assume they strictly want sex so I usually ignore them.
Kisca
09-27-2010, 02:18 AM
^ About the bar. Im like that 100% same with clubs ugh clubs Ill never go to again (unless its with a partner - thats when I was safest) and Im at "that age to club". Guys can do anything there.. some guy grabbed me and I was pulling away and he still wouldnt undesstnad that I had to actually body push him... and fucker that he was - pushed me back! Thanks for those 5 mins of getting touched everywhere.. Ewww. At the bar it isnt bad.. but guys dont understand to leave after I tell them Im not interested, Im busy or a plain leave me alone - they just stand there like idiots. I stopped going to bars and clubs.. even the low impact bars get that. Its like a cock infested envoriment.
The Six
09-27-2010, 03:56 PM
Unfortunately that seems to be the truth. I went to an art college and all my hot male classmates were gay. I always say it's got to be a joke that most of the hot guys are gay and all the smelly, disgusting, fat slobs aren't.
The ugly ones got a big ego, or no cell in the brain to actually realize they're ugly..stupid..
a disgusting guy hitting on a hot girl is just a delusional oaf. he's not a pua.
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Yeah, what's up with these ugly people? They should just kill themselves already lol amirite
AngelKing
09-27-2010, 06:08 PM
I'm hooking up the hose to the car exhaust right now.
Kellydancer
09-27-2010, 08:50 PM
Yeah, what's up with these ugly people? They should just kill themselves already lol amirite
If an ugly guy (and notice I called them fat too) takes care of himself then that's different. However, I'm talking about these disgusting fat ugly guys and them hitting on me.
she sells sanctuary
09-28-2010, 12:09 AM
Yeah, what's up with these ugly people? They should just kill themselves already lol amirite
see, that's the whole point. we're not saying that unattractive people don't deserve love and sex. but to think that they deserve a hottie, just because they want one, it's not realistic.
especially when there are also plenty of women out there who are more in their range, who are great people, but the guys care more about having a hot piece of ass than finding a compatible partner.
but they diss the girl who is actually realistic, because they're holding out fo the hottie who can do better. and frankly, a lot of them are still using the girl they should be dating for sex, even though they look down on her. which makes them shitty guys.
i'm cute, but i'm not the hottest girl. i understand that not every guy is gonna be into me. hell, even if my face and body were "perfect", i still would only be maybe 10% of guys idea of what perfect is. some guys like milky white skin. some guys like black girls. i can be in shape, and some guys will say i'm too thin. i can be out of shape, and other guys will say i'm too fat. you can't please everyone. and if someone isn't attracted to you, they've got that right.
if there's a guy i want, but he's not attracted to me, it doesn't mean he's a jerk. i don't have the right to call him a stuck up asshole or a golddigger or whatever. and yet there's unattractive men doing this all the time when women don't want them.
and do you know what? if someone reacts that way, their personality is so much uglier than their face or body could ever be. and with a personality that ugly, yeah, maybe they should kill themselves.
Kellydancer
09-28-2010, 11:39 AM
see, that's the whole point. we're not saying that unattractive people don't deserve love and sex. but to think that they deserve a hottie, just because they want one, it's not realistic.
especially when there are also plenty of women out there who are more in their range, who are great people, but the guys care more about having a hot piece of ass than finding a compatible partner.
but they diss the girl who is actually realistic, because they're holding out fo the hottie who can do better. and frankly, a lot of them are still using the girl they should be dating for sex, even though they look down on her. which makes them shitty guys.
i'm cute, but i'm not the hottest girl. i understand that not every guy is gonna be into me. hell, even if my face and body were "perfect", i still would only be maybe 10% of guys idea of what perfect is. some guys like milky white skin. some guys like black girls. i can be in shape, and some guys will say i'm too thin. i can be out of shape, and other guys will say i'm too fat. you can't please everyone. and if someone isn't attracted to you, they've got that right.
if there's a guy i want, but he's not attracted to me, it doesn't mean he's a jerk. i don't have the right to call him a stuck up asshole or a golddigger or whatever. and yet there's unattractive men doing this all the time when women don't want them.
and do you know what? if someone reacts that way, their personality is so much uglier than their face or body could ever be. and with a personality that ugly, yeah, maybe they should kill themselves.
Everything you said was completely on the mark. I know that not everyone was blessed to be attractive, but nothing frustrates me more than guys not wanting me (or wanting me for sex) while they pursue someone else. It's not even the guys who want hotties, but even the older guys who think they "deserve" a younger woman. I've noticed in general men seem to think they can get better than they can. I too know not every guy is attracted to me. I'm fine with this because many are.
Incidentally, the guys I am attracted to aren't generally "hot guys". I look more personality.
Gay guys aren't hotter, they just put a lot more effort into looking pretty.