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Kylea2
09-21-2010, 11:56 AM
Sure we do, but if your posts are serious then your experiences are far more limited than those of many on here.

But I haven't really figured out if you actually believe the nonsense you are posting or if this is all just a series of semi-clever baits, but I will admit that some of your posts have been entertaining. ;)

+1

I really think he's trying to rial us up.

JoeUnCool
09-21-2010, 01:59 PM
LOL. I never thought I'd be the poster boy for fitting in. Not really sure I changed much except that I largely stopped posting in pink, particularly when I am drunk ;) I will also admit, however, that I toned it down a little when I learned the lay of the land and realized that I might not be the only blue in here with some stories to share, but there it is.

I have no issue with ilb swinging back and I generally won't take shit either, but some of his comments, posted as if they are hard fact, are dubious at best. Posed in the form of a question or, as yoda stated, with a "IMO" or "IMHO" qualifier, some of these posts might earn less friction.

Just my :twocents:

I find that it is typically hard to communicate with others over email, forums, or similar mechaisms and not inadvertently convey the wrong message. People's emotions somehow run hotter over none personal interaction. Now, add in that the discussion subject and some other things, and you end up with problems. Pink, blue, whatever. Every forum has its 'trouble makers."

rickdugan
09-21-2010, 04:00 PM
Can we get back to talking about bangin cheap whores in seedy motels now? ;)

I like your instincts, though I prefer mid-priced dancers (call them what you will) in very nice hotel rooms }:D

yoda57us
09-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Can we get back to talking about bangin cheap whores in seedy motels now? ;)


Here Here!! }:D

JoeUnCool
09-21-2010, 08:26 PM
Can we get back to talking about bangin cheap whores in seedy motels now? ;)

I thought the basement was about banging strippers that are really hookers in the VIP, or maye OTC.

Kylea2
09-21-2010, 08:56 PM
I thought the basement was about banging strippers that are really hookers in the VIP, or maye OTC.

If this were the official tag line for the blue side (& it very well could be) a lot of us dancers wouldn't even bother posting our views on this side. ;D That's the problem in a nutshell with blue.

JoeUnCool
09-21-2010, 09:08 PM
If this were the official tag line for the blue side (& it very well could be) a lot of us dancers wouldn't even bother posting our views on this side. ;D That's the problem in a nutshell with blue.

http://rob.nu/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/facepalm4.jpg

jannisary
09-21-2010, 09:25 PM
Sorry about the barnyard thing, just kidding.

Probably been over a year since, I've seen an escort. There are a few new ones on the net whose *pictures* look really good. But I feel like Charlie Brown once again trying to kick the football Lucy's holding. The local talent here doesn't charge more than $300/hr. The ex-dancer I use to see only charged $180, but I tipped her $120 because she so deserved it compared to the others. She disappeared. But I don't deny the problem is probably me. I'm too intolerant of the "rehab is in my past and/or in my future" look that many otherwise-good-looking escorts have. And I expect an escort to give me 30-40 minutes of better contact than any lap dancer would give PLUS the insert-tab-A-in-slot-B stuff.

Do you research these escorts or just pick them out off of Backpage? Properly researched 300 ought to get a very good time with a very good looking escort no matter what part of the country you are in.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 09:28 PM
...
I have no issue with ilb swinging back and I generally won't take shit either, but some of his comments, posted as if they are hard fact, are dubious at best. Posed in the form of a question or, as yoda stated, with a "IMO" or "IMHO" qualifier, some of these posts might earn less friction.

Just my :twocents:

Dude, I'm hurt :'( . I certainly never doubt for a second anything YOU say is the Gospel truth.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 09:30 PM
I find that it is typically hard to communicate with others over email, forums, or similar mechaisms and not inadvertently convey the wrong message. People's emotions somehow run hotter over none personal interaction. Now, add in that the discussion subject and some other things, and you end up with problems. Pink, blue, whatever. Every forum has its 'trouble makers."

One the other hand, it is an advantage that people can't whack each other with pool cues over the Internet.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 09:40 PM
Sure we do, but if your posts are serious then your experiences are far more limited than those of many on here.

So the fuck what dude? If it doesn't interest you, just don't fucking read it. Is this somehow more complicated that what it seems?


But I haven't really figured out if you actually believe the nonsense you are posting or if this is all just a series of semi-clever baits, but I will admit that some of your posts have been entertaining. ;)

Yea I believe my posts. I think you all need about as much baiting as I need to blow all my retirement money in strip clubs.

I try my best to be funny. Won't be quitting my day job.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 09:50 PM
http://rob.nu/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/facepalm4.jpg

There are plenty of people here who think the wittiest possible comeback is to call the other person stupid. Kylea isn't one of them, so why not keep it to yourselves.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 10:04 PM
Do you research these escorts or just pick them out off of Backpage? Properly researched 300 ought to get a very good time with a very good looking escort no matter what part of the country you are in.

Mostly I look at date-check and eros.com . 95% of the time they can't hold a candle to the dancers I like. And the ones that can are touring escorts that never seem to come back. From just looking at the ads, it looks like they're comparable with dancers. But they generally don't look as good in real life. A lot of the local ones it's hard to see them because they don't want to get a hotel room unless they can get two dates on the same day. Since I don't talk like a perv, a lot of them think I'm a cop and won't make a date with me.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 10:28 PM
If this were the official tag line for the blue side (& it very well could be) a lot of us dancers wouldn't even bother posting our views on this side. ;D That's the problem in a nutshell with blue.

Suppose that a Ford salesman came on here and repeatedly made claims about how terrible Chevys were. I think we would all find that to be a tiresome attempt by him to advance his own financial interests. Even if he claimed it was not the case or in actually it was not the case.

I would suggest to you that it's a similar situation for one sex worker to be posting about how other sex workers are terrible people if they do sexual things she would not. Yes, even us stupid PLs, deserving of contempt as we are, can figure out this serves the poster's financial interest, .

Kylea2
09-21-2010, 10:48 PM
Suppose that a Ford salesman came on here and repeatedly made claims about how terrible Chevys were. I think we would all find that to be a tiresome attempt by him to advance his own financial interests. Even if he claimed it was not the case or in actually it was not the case.

I would suggest to you that it's a similar situation for one sex worker to be posting about how other sex workers are terrible people if they do sexual things she would not. Yes, even us stupid PLs, deserving of contempt as we are, can figure out this serves the poster's financial interest, .

Its a bit of a different situation though. Let's put this in better perspective. Let's say this is a forum for Ford Customers, but the member really want to talk about Chevy's. Now, let's say I'm a Ford salesman & a new salesman comes on here asking for advice & the customers say things like:

1.) Go sell Chevy instead
If they really want Chevy why are they on a FORD forum? There are plenty of Chevy forums around.

2.) Encourage the new sales person to do something that may put their job at risk. Of course the old Ford Salesman doesn't want to see the new guy fail before he's even gotten started.


It's not that we dislike other sex workers at all, I can sell Ford & still appreciate Chevy. Many people on here know that I am personal friends with escorts (read prostitutes), but that doesn't mean it belongs in the club or that I should encourage other new dancers to do things that might constitute them getting a ticket for prostitution or solicitation within the club. There's a time and a place for everything.

ilbbaicnl
09-21-2010, 11:25 PM
Its a bit of a different situation though. Let's put this in better perspective. Let's say this is a forum for Ford Customers, but the member really want to talk about Chevy's. Now, let's say I'm a Ford salesman & a new salesman comes on here asking for advice & the customers say things like:

1.) Go sell Chevy instead
If they really want Chevy why are they on a FORD forum? There are plenty of Chevy forums around.

2.) Encourage the new sales person to do something that may put their job at risk. Of course the old Ford Salesman doesn't want to see the new guy fail before he's even gotten started.


It's not that we dislike other sex workers at all, I can sell Ford & still appreciate Chevy. Many people on here know that I am personal friends with escorts (read prostitutes), but that doesn't mean it belongs in the club or that I should encourage other new dancers to do things that might constitute them getting a ticket for prostitution or solicitation within the club. There's a time and a place for everything.

So this forum is really only intended for people who agree with you as to what the definition of "clean" dancing is? That idea would be somewhat ridiculous on the pink side, and is totally ridiculous on the blue side. There also an aspect of megalomania to it.

I encouraged the OP to control what contact occurred herself. I specifically encouraged her NOT to set her boundaries based on customer advice. I gave examples based on the only thing I can, my personal experiences in SCs. Your Goebbels-esque repetition of lies about what I said may make some weak-minded people think they are true, but will not make them actually true.

Kylea2
09-22-2010, 12:40 AM
I gave examples based on the only thing I can, my personal experiences in SCs. Your Goebbels-esque repetition of lies about what I said may make some weak-minded people think they are true, but will not make them actually true.

Excuse me? :O Where did I supposedly lie?

I advised her that most dancers don't regard certain activities very highly inside the walls of the club. Further more I did say that in some areas certain activities are bounds for prostitution... which most dancers don't want to get a ticket for.

OP, why don't you tell us where you are located & I would be more than HAPPY to contact the local authorities to find out what is & isn't legal in your area & report back.

majordon
09-22-2010, 12:46 AM
Your Goebbels-esque repetition of lies about what I said may make some weak-minded people think they are true, but will not make them actually true.

Goebbels-esque, did I hear? I browsed back through Kylea's posts on this thread, looking for "the big lie" repeated until the true believers go into a frenzy against the newcomer. Instead, I saw a debate on a car-dealer analogy, seeming to imply that all sex workers have their place, but this site is mainly for strippers; plus a few posts suggesting that someone new could fit in better and debate their ideas with more participants by being less provocative. What have I missed ??

But I have a solution ! The all-Ilbbaincnl section, where he posts exclusively, morning-to-night, on all topics, and the seasoned gladiators and those who would earn their stripes go to debate him (or not).

Kylea2
09-22-2010, 12:50 AM
^^^ If I could do multiple thank you's for that I would!

JoeUnCool
09-22-2010, 05:31 AM
There are plenty of people here who think the wittiest possible comeback is to call the other person stupid. Kylea isn't one of them, so why not keep it to yourselves.

I don't think she is stupid, far from it. She reads like me when I am too serious about stuff.

JoeUnCool
09-22-2010, 05:32 AM
One the other hand, it is an advantage that people can't whack each other with pool cues over the Internet.

Yes, but you would treat people rudely face to face with them. Why do it online?

JoeUnCool
09-22-2010, 05:34 AM
Goebbels-esque, did I hear? I browsed back through Kylea's posts on this thread, looking for "the big lie" repeated until the true believers go into a frenzy against the newcomer. Instead, I saw a debate on a car-dealer analogy, seeming to imply that all sex workers have their place, but this site is mainly for strippers; plus a few posts suggesting that someone new could fit in better and debate their ideas with more participants by being less provocative. What have I missed ??

But I have a solution ! The all-Ilbbaincnl section, where he posts exclusively, morning-to-night, on all topics, and the seasoned gladiators and those who would earn their stripes go to debate him (or not).

He does read like a troll.

yoda57us
09-22-2010, 09:34 AM
If this were the official tag line for the blue side (& it very well could be) a lot of us dancers wouldn't even bother posting our views on this side. ;D That's the problem in a nutshell with blue.

LOL, as I see it there is no "problem" with blue in or out of the nutshell. It's here for you to participate in or completely ignore. Blue is the customer's section and, though I for one welcome the participation of any and all, there should be no assumption at anytime that we are going to behave the way the "ladies" do upstairs. Considering some of the threads I've read up there lately, that's a good thing...

Golden_Rule
09-22-2010, 11:27 AM
Also, what is she going to do with a license plate number? Does she have a day job at the DMV where she run my plate? You know, it's illegal even for the cops to run a license plate without cause. I'd welcome that intrusion, because by the time that case got settled, I'd have more than enough money to bang all the strippers and escorts I want.

Just for the record: It's not illegal. It's a policy violation in most states, as established by the states offices of Attorneys General which has authority over the guidelines that control usage of motor vehicle records, CCH and SCIC/NCIC usage [again, in most states]. Still easy enough to get around as any field officer can run any plate simply because s/he feels "reasonable suspicion". This can be articulated in such general terms as to make running any plate well within the policy guidelines.

Most states DMV's, for a fee, will provide license plate info to anyone requesting it as it is considered public information. That is why it is always best to have your license plate registered to a P.O. Box. Anyone requesting will still get your legal name, unless you also have a LLP or other means to register your car to an entity that is yours but isn't your actual name. They can still get it but they now have an additional hurdle to jump though if they want to get an address to go with that name.




Now back to reality. This is a typical exchange between me and almost every dancer I've fucked over the last 20 years:

1. Dancer finishes about a half hour of dances with me, with her hand in my pants and my hands and mouth on every available body part (ooh, so unsanitary!).

Me: Well, that was certainly fun. Ever considered finishing what we started outside of here?

Dancer: I'd love to. When did you have in mind?

Me: How about Thursday. Give me your number and I'll text you where and when.

Her. Okay.

Me: See you then. (Pays for dances.)

Also just for the record. Not knocking anything that works for anyone else: It's a little more work but when I want to have sex outside the club with a dancer we do the dance that allows her to make the outside the club meeting not quite so obviously pay for play. I find it pays off in better results down the line to not be quite so cut and dry about it.


That's it. She has my first name and my phone number. No harm, no foul. If and when we do meet up, I'm parked away from my room and backed into the parking space for good measure (AZ does not have front license plates). She shows up, knocks on the door, I open it, we proceed to have a wonderfully dirty time together. I pay her, she leaves. I shower, I leave.

I used to use a separate, throw-away, phone for handing out my cell # to dancers. Now I use Google Voice. I can change the number at will, thus ending any contacts I don't give the new number to. Dancers I am seeing never get my home address, never get my work information, never have any other means of contacting me other than the Google Voice number.

If it is not someone I know fairly well, at least in the beginning until I get to know them better, I rent a car if I am picking them up or meeting somewhere where the car is readily visible. My car has plates which identify my membership/status in a particular police organization/union and thus are readily identifiable. I'm not generally diving that sucker around with anyone but the Mrs in it. :)



As for private escorts, at least the better ones that I want to see, most of them now ask for more personal information that the FBI did when I was getting my security clearance from them in 1983. While I absolutely understand their desire for safety, when that desire conflicts with my priority to not let a sex worker have access to everything short of my social security # and ATM PIN, I draw the line and vote with my feet to the nearest SC, where, more often that not, a more than willing and nubile young lass is absolutely thrilled to take my money and satiate my lusts.

CP

Absolutely. Its been years since I've seen a standard escort but I totally concur with the above.

Golden_Rule
09-22-2010, 11:42 AM
... and now he's banging one of the Pinkies.


JEEZE!!!

The last thing I am ever going to be doing is "banging" one of the SW pinks. I actually speak my mind in this place and they've had a chance to read it. The dancers I actually have sex with don't ever get to know me as well as the women on SW do.

I actually know a couple of the dancers on SW who work our parties. Sophia, for instance, knows I think she is absolutely gorgeous [she is one of the most popular dancers at our parties and works 100% clean] but knows I'd never even purchase a dance from her for myself [I did purchase several from her for a lovely Lady guest of mine at another party where I wasn't the host and we were both in attendance. My friend enjoyed them immensely. Actually, from what I heard of it, they both did. :)

No. No crossing the streams for me. [Trademark: Ghost Busters 1984] :)

Kylea2
09-22-2010, 11:53 AM
I don't think she is stupid, far from it. She reads like me when I am too serious about stuff.

This is correct. I do take business seriously, especially when it involves someone new to the industry. I can enjoy some of the "fluff" talk, but its not the primary reason why I am here.



Also, what is she going to do with a license plate number? Does she have a day job at the DMV where she run my plate? You know, it's illegal even for the cops to run a license plate without cause. I'd welcome that intrusion, because by the time that case got settled, I'd have more than enough money to bang all the strippers and escorts I want.

I believe that depends on the city. The cops in Albuquerque do random plate checks all the time... without cause, & often make arrests off of those random checks.

Golden_Rule
09-22-2010, 11:57 AM
Of course i'm aware what section of the site I'm at. I just find the whole "I'm more qualified because I find a lot of women in strip club willing to have sex with me for money" attitude ridiculous. No shit, strip clubs are full of desperate whores. Finding a girl willing to fuck you at your hotel for whatever some of money is not difficult.


So yea, "ive banged so many strippers for pay so I'm a credible source of information is silly.".

That being said, so are the posts from ilbbaicnl. both sides sound pretty ridiculous from a 3rd party perspective.

You know I can't find any fault with this logic.

Just so you are aware though, for some of us the thing isn't finding just women in strip-clubs to have sex with. Its finding those who aren't so burned out and turned off on to men in general and "custies" in particular that its worthwhile and enjoyable having sex with them.

The irony is not lost on me however in that being the sex partner of such a dancer in what is primarily a compensated commercial sex experience may very well contribute to her becoming burned out on men in general and "custies" in particular. I do try to make it as pleasant an experience for her as it is for me, but the skin trade takes a toll on everyone involved in it. It is the nature of the game.

Athenathefabulous
09-22-2010, 12:15 PM
I believe that depends on the city. The cops in Albuquerque do random plate checks all the time... without cause, & often make arrests off of those random checks.
oy i hope not. i might have a warrant out for me in NM, but its for a very obscure county so i couldnt find out through the sheriff's website (they didnt have a warrant search).

on a sidenote- one time the floor guys did give me the license plate number of a customer who i was angry at. i didnt do anything with it and i dont know how i would have done anything with it (actually this was back in CLE so i probably could have done something with my somewhat sketchy friends network if i made a few phonecalls) but i was given it.

Kylea2
09-22-2010, 01:07 PM
oy i hope not. i might have a warrant out for me in NM, but its for a very obscure county so i couldnt find out through the sheriff's website (they didnt have a warrant search).

We could just check & find out. F**** found out that his shift partner's gf had a warrant, but he didn't arrest her - just told her boyfriend that she needed to get it fixed. I'm pretty sure we could just ask one of them to check so you aren't worrying about it.

Golden_Rule
09-22-2010, 03:11 PM
oy i hope not. i might have a warrant out for me in NM, but its for a very obscure county so i couldnt find out through the sheriff's website (they didnt have a warrant search).

on a sidenote- one time the floor guys did give me the license plate number of a customer who i was angry at. i didnt do anything with it and i dont know how i would have done anything with it (actually this was back in CLE so i probably could have done something with my somewhat sketchy friends network if i made a few phonecalls) but i was given it.

If its for traffic violation or petty offense just call the court clerk's office for the jurisdiction. They want the fine, not your body. They'll tell you if you have an open warrant and how to get it processed out of the system. [which is going to involve a $check$]

rickdugan
09-22-2010, 04:46 PM
So the fuck what dude? If it doesn't interest you, just don't fucking read it. Is this somehow more complicated that what it seems?

Yea I believe my posts. I think you all need about as much baiting as I need to blow all my retirement money in strip clubs.

I try my best to be funny. Won't be quitting my day job.


I would gladly ignore you except that it would be a public disservice. I couldn't enjoy myself on here in good conscience if another blue, even more ignorant than you (as remote as that possibility may be), read that drivel and actually believed some of it. ;)

yoda57us
09-22-2010, 04:51 PM
I would gladly ignore you except that it would be a public disservice. I couldn't enjoy myself on here in good conscience if another blue, even more ignorant than you (as remote as that possibility may be), read that drivel and actually believed some of it. ;)

LMAO! Yeah, "ignore" is no fun at all. While I understand why it's here and even why some folks do and should use it I just don't see myself putting anyone on ignore. That would mean that I was taking another anonymous stranger on the internet seriously enough to actually be mad at him...

Kylea2
09-22-2010, 05:00 PM
LMAO! Yeah, "ignore" is no fun at all. While I understand why it's here and even why some folks do and should use it I just don't see myself putting anyone on ignore. That would mean that I was taking another anonymous stranger on the internet seriously enough to actually be mad at him...

I feel the same way about it. While some people like to stir up trouble I try to stay reasonable.

JoeUnCool
09-22-2010, 06:36 PM
LOL, as I see it there is no "problem" with blue in or out of the nutshell. It's here for you to participate in or completely ignore. Blue is the customer's section and, though I for one welcome the participation of any and all, there should be no assumption at anytime that we are going to behave the way the "ladies" do upstairs. Considering some of the threads I've read up there lately, that's a good thing...

The first girl I ever hung out with that was a dancer taught me that once she was outside her club, she was fairly boring and uninteresting. "a stripper's real life is uninteresting" she said. We laughed over it, but I still think it's true. I don't expect an entertainer to act like the giggly, happy persona. I hope that entertainers don't think that we are going to fall all over them in the basement. :)

JoeUnCool
09-22-2010, 06:47 PM
This is correct. I do take business seriously, especially when it involves someone new to the industry. I can enjoy some of the "fluff" talk, but its not the primary reason why I am here.

I do think you are little bit too serious, but in real life, I'm too serious as well. :)



I believe that depends on the city. The cops in Albuquerque do random plate checks all the time...

Abq is an interesting place. Iirc, there are 5 clubs there. At one club, a girl told me flat out that she will give bjs in the VIP if I'll pay full price. At Another club, i saw one dancer attack another on the floor, with hair pulling, bouncers trying to separate them, yelling and screaming, it was hilarious. At another club was the 18 year old that I kept turning down. I think I was the only English speaker in another club. Abq was definitely a strange place.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 06:08 AM
Excuse me? :O Where did I supposedly lie?

...

"Encourage the new sales person to do something that may put their job at risk." To give just one of many examples.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 06:19 AM
I would gladly ignore you except that it would be a public disservice. I couldn't enjoy myself on here in good conscience if another blue, even more ignorant than you (as remote as that possibility may be), read that drivel and actually believed some of it. ;)

I'm sure they're glad to have you watching over them Father Dugan.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 06:24 AM
I feel the same way about it. While some people like to stir up trouble I try to stay reasonable.

I'd have to agree it is reasonable that you seek to advance your own financial interests. Even if you have to misrepresent others to do it. Selfishness is highly rational.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 06:40 AM
The first girl I ever hung out with that was a dancer taught me that once she was outside her club, she was fairly boring and uninteresting. "a stripper's real life is uninteresting" she said. We laughed over it, but I still think it's true. ...

Strippers are people who don't like being broke, so it's a pretty diverse cross-section of the population. There are plenty of strippers who don't like life in the fast lane, or are even homebodies. It's easier to get to know people you have more in common with, so you usually can't generalize from who you've gotten to know.

princessjas
09-23-2010, 06:57 AM
You have? Where have you been reading? This topic has been done to death in several threads...



LMAO! Dude, FBR gets his balls busted around here pretty regularly and the female mods over in pink get into arguments and all-out wars as well. He wasn't "moderating" you, he was participating. Mods are allowed to do that you know...

This is the biggest give away that he hasn't been lurking all that long imo! I mean, seriously, I see people rail FBR all the time and he is nice enough to not even ban them. I actually like him....but have still been uh, a little under the influence numerous times and bitched at him on here. :angel: Oh and it is unreal how bad some of the female mods get it. Watch out though, cause they aren't as forgiving, at least that is what I've observed.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 07:03 AM
... At one club, a girl told me flat out that she will give bjs in the VIP if I'll pay full price. At Another club, i saw one dancer attack another on the floor, with hair pulling, bouncers trying to separate them, yelling and screaming, it was hilarious. At another club was the 18 year old that I kept turning down. I think I was the only English speaker in another club. Abq was definitely a strange place.

Many dancers, if they feel they have little or no chance of getting you as a regular, will tell you they sweat bourbon and shit diamonds in the VIP room.

Two skanks fighting can be funny. But when I see two dancers I don't know fighting, it's not funny, because it could be that one of them is the innocent victim of the over. Dancers who are a little rough-looking are still often nice. They may not make more money than they would waitressing at Denny's, but for whatever reason they prefer to dance.

Many, maybe most, Mexican citizens working in the US are men who don't bring their wives, so it's a fertile market for adult entertainment.

princessjas
09-23-2010, 07:19 AM
I would gladly ignore you except that it would be a public disservice. I couldn't enjoy myself on here in good conscience if another blue, even more ignorant than you (as remote as that possibility may be), read that drivel and actually believed some of it. ;)

K, this is gonna come off as an insult and a compliment, but there is no better way to say it (and I apologize in advance to rick and Yoda)....

So ibbancnl, or whatever the fuck your garbled assed screen name is, you've successfully managed to make one...well two actually, of the worst dogs on this board think you are a dipshit. Him and Yoda are men that I have disagreed with on numerous occasions, just ask them (sucks cause I get on like gangbusters with a dancer friend of Yoda's), but hell, at least I can respect them. They are intelligent and although I don't always agree with their rationale, I can follow it and they do have a moral center and don't seem to be completely lacking in morals or compassion....wow, just realized that is the definition of a sociopath. You come across like your morals are not just different than mine (which is fine and normal) but that you don't care about anyone/anything but your own gratification (like you just have no morals at all and just look out for your own self interest). I obviously find that very disturbing.

hockeybobby
09-23-2010, 10:25 AM
So ibbancnl, or whatever the fuck your garbled assed screen name is....

My guess is ilbbaicnl is an acronym for:

"I Like Big Butts And I Can Not Lie" 8)

princessjas
09-23-2010, 06:40 PM
My guess is ilbbaicnl is an acronym for:

"I Like Big Butts And I Can Not Lie" 8)

Ah!! Now I feel like a total airhead, cause I didn't even come close to getting that....and with my preference for curvy chicks, this should have been obvious. ;D

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 07:02 PM
...
So ibbancnl, or whatever the fuck your garbled assed screen name is, ...

Think Sir Mix-a-Lot.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 07:03 PM
My guess is ilbbaicnl is an acronym for:

"I Like Big Butts And I Can Not Lie" 8)

Can always count on the clever pervness of a Canadian!

hockeybobby
09-23-2010, 09:01 PM
Yesssss !! Ftw :)

Kylea2
09-23-2010, 09:57 PM
"Encourage the new sales person to do something that may put their job at risk." To give just one of many examples.

That's not a lie. You obviously have never seen entertainers get fired for "extras" like what you are talking about in your original post... I have.



I'd have to agree it is reasonable that you seek to advance your own financial interests. Even if you have to misrepresent others to do it. Selfishness is highly rational.

There is no misrepresenting other, & I'm not being selfish. Trying to help the OP out by giving her a bit of an advantage over other new entertainers? Yes, I've been known to do that. Trust me, if I were selfish I wouldn't have spent so many hours training new dancers on their first few nights FOR FREE, nor would I be the one managers often ask to help do this.

ilbbaicnl
09-23-2010, 10:33 PM
That's not a lie. You obviously have never seen entertainers get fired for "extras" like what you are talking about in your original post... I have.

Talking about something is not the same as encouraging someone to do something. If I say "if have a one-night stand, use a condom", I'm not encouraging you to have a one-night stand (unless you're Sarah Palin). Therein lies the lie. What I DID encourage the dancer to do was get input from experienced dancers. What I have or haven't seen doesn't make it OK to lie about what I said.

yoda57us
09-23-2010, 11:16 PM
K, this is gonna come off as an insult and a compliment, but there is no better way to say it (and I apologize in advance to rick and Yoda)....


No need to apologize jas. There is a big difference between disagrement and disrespect. Healthy debate among folks with differing opinions on topics of mutual interest is what drives an entertaining message board.