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malayataylor
09-14-2010, 07:28 AM
:O :rotfl:

Bambalina, You are clearly insane and have a lot of time. I'm just lol'n so hard right now.

Bambalina
09-14-2010, 07:35 AM
Also, I hate to say this B but here I go:

I do NOT care whos head im stepping on. My goal is the TOP and that is where I am going. I will not say "excuse me", Im bumbrushing the game and those who arent prepared gets left behind. Nobody stops the show for me to get ahead.... do they? nope.

it IS a dog eat dog world, and we ARE in a competition (even though i have no desire to "compete" per say)

But i do take breaks on my way to the top to catch my breath... and then i hit Stripperweb, lend a helping hand to those who are close behind.

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As for men? They only do what we ALLOW them to do =)
Well, you and will agree to disagree then. I believe you have doomed yourself to never reach the "top" so long as you do not do it in a way that is archaic and "old guard" as opposed to newer and smarter models of reality in which Microsoft gives ALL their employeees including the lowliest janitor stock options so all the original employees are now millionaires, and intra-company competition is at an absolute minimum and everyone works together, and it made them the most competitive company in the world, company to company. Well, I believe that if women co-operate and form unions, and coalitions and co-ops, this business would flurish and no man-based business would be able to compete, and in the end, being indy would have no real advantage because the co-op would be fair enough to make the indy advantage disappear.

On the last line? Well, I'd agree that is how it works, but right now, since we (meaning 99% of women) value ourselves so little, men control everything. As women REALIZE they can control it all it will change things. THAT is what this thread is about.

B.

Bambalina
09-14-2010, 07:37 AM
:O :rotfl:

Bambalina, You are clearly insane and have a lot of time. I'm just lol'n so hard right now.

I'm very very happy I amuse you.

B.

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 08:03 AM
Amusing... it is because you have been misinformed.


Well, you continue thinking that way. Shows something about how your brain functions. Since what you are saying is that I can work with Escorts, I can have Escort friends, I can speak to Escorts, I can read books by Escorts, yet I will know NOTHING from all that. One must BE an escort ot know ANYTHING about escorting.

Yet one doesn't have to be in porn to make judgments about it. Whatever Malaya.

Honestly, don't care.

Actually one must be an escort to fully know what escorting is all about. You can keep talking to your escorting friends. you can keep reading your escorting books but you will NEVER know what it is to be a high end escort. Just like I would never know what it is like to be a low end escort. You have not explored the industry... all you're doing is posting crap. Yes I have been offered to do porn so I can post whatever I want about it. I turned the offer down even after being told i'd make bank because only ME knows what's best for me and I do not agree with the bullshit that goes on in the Porn industry.



Ditto from me to you, and to be honest, I am not flying off the handle calling you bitch or bi-polar or drugged. I've remained pretty easy-going. You on the other hand have gone from thanking me for posts to attacking me in like 1 thread. Pot. Kettle. Black.

UM. Stop right there. I think I got into an argument with DevonSantos on the MFC thread and till today I still thank her for her posts. Just because I thank you in a few posts doesn't mean I will forever agree with all you say. Aw do you feel like i am turning on you Bambalina? Stop acting like a child. You should know better. Sorry I didn't thank you for these bullshit ass posts. I didn't agree with your post and you went on to involve my daughter in your bullshit post. Yes I can talk about my daughter you can't. You did the same thing to devon when you kept using her name in posts after she told you not to. That is annoying. Yes I think you are crazy!



So you, who many women on here respect and listen to, impulsively posted all about how you LOVE MFC, which gets all these girls to go sign up (some in the thread even commented as much...correct?) and then you suddenly hate MFC (this seems sane and monopolar, doesn't it?) and then they all look confused and some who just signed up abandon it because you "helped them make a decision"....Good job.

Did you see my "Myfreeimplants" thread? Where I also posted a followup. It was like "I love myfreeimplants" then a "spoke too soon...myfreeimplants" Yes I do update them when a site isn't going well. What do you do but start drama on this board? Your little AE tips..? Boy stop.



I thought this was totally acceptable. I guess I'm wrong.

In other words it is ok for YOU to throw your daughter into a thread, and your motherhood and protective nature, whenever YOU feel like it, but not ok for me. I never knew you HAD a daughter till you brought her into a discussion.

Go read our little MFC argument where you brought your daughter into it and specifically discussed not wanting her to see porn and such. YOU BRING YOUR DAUGHTER INTO DISCUSSIONS HERE. I have seen you do it before and you have done it to ME. So don;t cry foul when people ask what you will feel if your daughter sees webcam caps of you.

Yes I said I did not want my daughter to watch porn. What is wrong with that? Because I mentioned I didn't want my daughter to watch porn that give your right to talk about her. YOU HAVE A PROBLEM! Very mentally unstable it seems. Now I see what Devon was talking about.


Now, I will never mention your daughter on SW again, so long as you don't.

Thank you.



No actually, I spoke about the fact that I joked I made 10k ONE week on CL. You have no idea how much I make, and you will have no idea tomorrow or the next day. So bring up misunderstandings I cleared up from the past, it makes you look mature and like you can discuss things intelligently.

DO YOU ALL READ THIS! This is PROOF that anyone can lie about what they make on the internet. You didn't say "jk" or "lol" or mention you were just joking until Devon called you out about it. You brought up my daughter .. I guess that was intelligent of you? Please. You could have left her our and I would have left your ass alone.




I know quite a bit. And I don;t care about escorting. I care about the FACT that you post personal opinion and bias as FACT, and that doesn't help girls, it leads them astray.


Who the fuck is forcing them to read? I post my personal opinions and personal experiences. Don't forget, I have helped a handful of sw members become successful escorts. Please don't tell me I lead people astray. I give them my number, they come to my house, I met them for lunch... I am very hands-on in this community. I just don't post bullshit on the internet for fun. I am living it. I am living proof and they know it.


It is your opinion that MFC will be shut down any second, didn't you say things that read along those lines? That is opinion. Not fact.

AND....I still say it will :)


When I asked for you to back that up with any investigation or real law, you never really replied and just ducked back and stopped talking about it.

I ducked what? Why the fuck do I have to duck from you Bambalina? Who are you? No one has proof that you really are a woman. People on this site have actually met me, read interviews I've done, I've helped them become successful businesswoman and what have you done? who are you? Just another name on the internet... Boy please!




When you post that Porn is X (whatever X might be) and Escorting is Y (whatever Y might be) and it is just your opinion, not FACT, then I will call you out and say I think you're just whistling out your (unbelievably lovely) ass.

I think you post some kickass factual stuff, but you also post some really negative shit that is trifling and makes you look small and petty, as well as some incredibly arrogant and egotistical crap that is condescending and rude under the guise of being "blunt"...and then you post opinion as fact, and that is where I feel I will chime in and call you out on it.

Yes my ass is pretty unbelievable. I get that all the time.

*sigh* I get this all the time on here. I am not negative and trifling...I am actually positive. I give people the slap that they need to get off their ass and stop being bums. That does not make me negative. Trifling? Far from it. Again I have helped too many people on this site to be any of these things. NOW egotistical.. yes .. Arrogant? Yes.. Sorry if it comes across that way. That's just me. Yes I am blunt.. if it comes across negative then oh well. This is a public forum and I post here for free. I am not getting paid to be a bitch so there is no reason for all that. What you see here is ME. Don't like it... oh well. We've already called you out on your bull Bambalina. Just because you post 2 threads of AE doesn't give you any right to insult me. I honestly could careless how you feel about me.


Example: Statistics show that from the seediest shittiest lowest quality porn, to the highest most expensive and ritzy circles of the porn STAR, there are far less porn stars murdered or raped than Prostitutes at all levels of that business.
FBI cases show the same. MANY MANY prostitutes from the lowest level to the highest have written about the dangers and heightened security necessary for someone in that business.

Again FBI cases can say what they want. For example: I was told by a very well known escort that once I walked into a sting that there was nothing I could do or say to convince the cops to let me walk and my did I prove her wrong when I walked into that sting and talked my way out of it (I have posted about that on here too) Bambalina, Knowledge is power. Everyone's experience is different AGAIN! You need to get this through your head... For some reason you still DON'T get it.


I know several very classy ladies who escort, and they have told me a few scary stories.

I don't have any to tell you. My friend AudrinaN (SW MEMBER) will tell you the same. Yes yes I take credit for her success. ( I SAID IT AUDRINA!!!! :p)



So, when I add all that up and then have Malaya on StripperWeb tell me that ALL of those sources know nothing and that SHE is the authority, well, I'll just reserve the right to nod knowingly and smile. Because I believe I can judge this for myself.

Yes you can. That is why noone knows Bambalina of SW. People know me and can actually trace me to my front door step. I stand by everything I say on here Bambalina. Don't try to shut down my credibility you can't. NO matter how hard you try. Several ladies just Pm'd me saying I should Ignore you... Maybe I will. You are nutty.


And if ladies want to judge it for themselves, I will post the experiences I have and know of and sources of reading for those who wish them, and they can compare them to what YOU post and make their own decision.


PLEASE DO! They will love to hear from someone else other than me. Bambalina has never worked as an escort so she doesn't know shit. They will also keep that in mind. Please tell your escort friends to join the board and post. I have lots of escort friends I wouldn't mind being taught something every now and then.


For now, I no longer care. You've called me crazy, a Bitch, a druggie and man in this thread. You have a more classy delivery, but you obviously want another thread like the one about Streamate, and I don't. So go on and post more nastiness. I am done.

LOL Did I start that streamate thread? Please go and read it I was actually trying to calm everyone down. IF you did not want this you wouldn't have posted anything referring to my daughter you disrespectful jerk! YOu are a crazy druggie bipolar bish like ppg would say LOL! It says something when I'm having to tell you off too!

P.S I meant what I said about your escort friends. I welcome them.

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 08:15 AM
If you are done, I am too :)

mzdeniro
09-14-2010, 08:21 AM
Hmmm I'm kind of wondering how you expect to make money from camming if there isn't any content. How else are we suppose to make money if there isn't affiliates selling and promoting camgirls with pictures and videos? Now I don't agree with how certain companies promote us camgirls like for instance streamate's selling our videos without giving us a cut but there's not much I can do about that. Shit could be alot worse like getting on cam, getting naked, and not getting paid for it.

Why do so many girls cry victim and claim there being exploited? Your only a victim if your forced into the sex industry other wise you probably just didn't read the fine print. I love what I do and I would never change it. I think so many women probably feel ashamed of what they do so they claim that there exploited when in reality they should of never entered the sex industry in the first place. How are we being exploited when we whiling get on cam, allow men to pay us to see us in lingerie/naked/ or play with toys. That's power to me not exploitation.

You can't really do much about the dudes who use screen capturing software to record us. I see them as trifling and if they have to do that much to make money then there worthless and don't deserve much thought. You have to take the good and the bad in this industry and I don't know about ya'll but I can't worry about every tom, dick, and harry, who's so low to capture us with screen capturing software and sell it. I believe that those type of ppl will eventually get whats coming to them.

Men have controlled shit since the begin of time. They have taken serious measures to do so and we as women would have to go to battle to be able to control a little bit and or everything in the sex industry. It definitely wouldn't be a simply task.

I played around with porn and one of the main reason's it didn't work out for me was because of the lack of control. There's pornstars who build there own empires and have control like jenna jameson and even pinkyxxx. So the amount of control a women has in porn really depends on her. Many pornstars and 9-5 women would rather work for other people then be independent and work for themselves.

One of the main reason's why I'm a camgirl is because of the amount of control I have. I set my own schedule, set my own pay rate, take vacations whenever I want. I do the type of shows that I want. So many girls feel as though they have no control of there chatroom or the shows that they do but trust me ladies you do. I don't anything that I don't want too nor do I deal with anyone that I don't want to and I still make money.

Women having more control in the adult industry could be a good thing but it could also be a bad thing.

But like PPG said Men only do what we ALLOW them to do =)

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 08:32 AM
Hmmm I'm kind of wondering how you expect to make money from camming if there isn't any content. How else are we suppose to make money if there isn't affiliates selling and promoting camgirls with pictures and videos? Now I don't agree with how certain companies promote us camgirls like for instance streamate's selling our videos without giving us a cut but there's not much I can do about that. Shit could be alot worse like getting on cam, getting naked, and not getting paid for it.

Agreed. I never said anything like WE ARE NOT CONTENT. Bambalina just loves to talk out of her ass. Like I told her. I know this and I agree with you.


Why do so many girls cry victim and claim there being exploited? Your only a victim if your forced into the sex industry other wise you probably just didn't read the fine print. I love what I do and I would never change it. I think so many women probably feel ashamed of what they do so they claim that there exploited when in reality they should of never entered the sex industry in the first place. How are we being exploited when we whiling get on cam, allow men to pay us to see us in lingerie/naked/ or play with toys. That's power to me not exploitation.

Exactly!


You can't really do much about the dudes who use screen capturing software to record us. I see them as trifling and if they have to do that much to make money then there worthless and don't deserve much thought. You have to take the good and the bad in this industry and I don't know about ya'll but I can't worry about every tom, dick, and harry, who's so low to capture us with screen capturing software and sell it. I believe that those type of ppl will eventually get whats coming to them.

Exactly!

This is just a price we have to pay. As long as I am not fucking someone ELSE on FILM. I am good.


Men have controlled shit since the begin of time. They have taken serious measures to do so and we as women would have to go to battle to be able to control a little bit and or everything in the sex industry. It definitely wouldn't be a simply task.

there are still some jobs in this industry they don't control.. for the most part? yes.


I played around with porn and one of the main reason's it didn't work out for me was because of the lack of control. There's pornstars who build there own empires and have control like jenna jameson and even pinkyxxx. So the amount of control a women has in porn really depends on her. Many pornstar and 9-5 women would rather work for other people then be independent and work for themselves.

And I love Jenna Jameson. I think she is smart as fuck! Many Pornstars today can't even support themselves that is why they get into camming and escorting. $300 a scene is now the going rate for a bg scene in FL.... Ummm when I can make $500 as an escort and keep my identity secret and stay sane.... Hell no.


One of the main reason's why I'm a camgirl is because of the amount of control I have. I set my own schedule, set my own pay rate, take vacation whenever I want. I do the type of shows that I want. So many girls feel as though they have no control of there chatroom or the shows that they do but trust me ladies you do.

Yes! It has its cons but the pros outweigh the cons unlike with porn AND escorting (Yes I said escorting Bambalina) Porn and escorting is a game of smarts. Jenna Jameson was SMART! Anne Marie was SMART! ONLY super smart women can make it in those businesses


Women having more control in the adult industry could be a good thing but it could also be a bad thing.
True


But like PPG said Men only do what we ALLOW them to do =)

Yup.

Christany
09-14-2010, 10:10 AM
I'm not exactly sure what transpired here while away, but I hope that some resolution will be found. I am going to respectfully ask to at least give Bambalina a chance. There are some issues in this that are more than meets the eye, and which I've been hesitant to discuss in the public forums. However, they are of great concern and it would be very detrimental to everyone if it became 'industry standard.'

Let's try to work together for the common good.

malayataylor
09-14-2010, 10:16 AM
I was cool with her until she brought my daughter into the conversation. Then she says some bullshit like "YOU BRING YOUR DAUGHTER INTO OTHER DISCUSSION SO WHY CAN'T I"... Well ... I'm her mother.. I can do that. It is fucking annoying. Shit like that makes me want to go back and delete all the 3,000 and something posts I have on this site.

Yall can give her a chance but I will NOT.

Christany
09-14-2010, 12:31 PM
Let's see if we can resolve some of this, because I think we're all on the same side here. I had to go back and read the last 2 pages since I missed some of it. But it seems that maybe there might be different usage/ideals of terms that might have lead to a misunderstanding. From what I can tell, I think the term "porn" as used by Malaya was inferring solely boy/girl or girl/girl content. "Porn" as used by Bambalina was inferring to boy/girl, girl/girl, and solo content as well.

I know that this is a heated and passionate industry, and for a very justified reason. There is a lot of stress being placed on the heads of adult entertainers in general. The adult industry is ever changing and evolving every day. New companies pop up, new girls enter the industry, model release forms change. I think both of you ladies bring something very unique and dynamic to the table and deserve much respect.

cyberstripper
09-14-2010, 08:33 PM
@Cyberstripper -- can you please tell me where you are getting your facts from ? How many women do you know personally that joined PC ? How long were you in porn for ? How many agents represented you ? How many movies did you perform in ? How many mentally troubled women did you meet in the industry ? How long were you in the industry for ?

What is the basis for your opinion ?

Do you not think that PC actually uses the same women for their own purposes that you claim the porn industry uses ? Except PC does it under the banner of religion and in the name of God. I find that to be more much more damaging to women.

 
Before I begin I would like to say once again, I do not agree with all of PC’s tactics. The reason why I brought PC up was not to debate PC or their tactics, but to say that they are one of the few websites that EXISTS to “help” industry workers and porn addicts, along with the Aim foundation. Weather you feel they are helping people is up to you..I do. I am not religious in any way, and I am not here to preach but I do believe they serve their purpose to help those in need, and educate. I also believe the women on PC are very courageous to share their stories with the world, they truly are women who are standing up and fighting for what they believe in. I am not a part of PC but I currently know two people personally who joined PC. I will share about my experience with porn and adult video work, but there are many other avenues of the industry. I do believe that the industry as a whole and the working conditions for porn actors and industry workers of every kind can improve.

I did not say any of my above statements were facts, but statistics. Due to my personal bad experiences with adult video work specifically, I do admit I may have a biased opinion, but I will share my experience and answer your questions. I have been a part of adult entertainment for 8 years. I shot video 2 years. I shot about 30 movies ranging from soft-core-hardcore-fetish. I had 2 “agents” before I went independent. I am still a part of the porn industry but I no longer shoot hardcore adult video. I currently work as a webcam model, and I have also worked as an exotic dancer. When I was shooting hardcore video, nearly everyone I came across on sets in porn valley were under the influence of drugs, alcohol and “agents“ However the working conditions for a contract model and seasoned pro are different then those for a newbie amateur.

I do not believe it is about “experience“ though…..A porn actress/actor could be infected with an std their very first shoot. A porn actress/actor can be abused physically or emotionally on their very first shoot. Some will never contract STD’s or be abused…But it does happen. Some have only good experiences, but I was not one of them. I did all I could to protect myself. I believe everything possible should be done to protect workers and keep them safe, in any industry and in my opinion everything possible is not being done to protect porn workers. I believe many things can be done to improve working conditions. There will always be a risk shooting porn, but I don’t believe all porn companies and porn stars are doing everything they can to protect themselves from the risks. Drug testing, training, pay regulations, and required condom use/protection could help in many ways as they required and enforced as in other industries that are considered “hazardous”.

When I was shooting, porn stars would get tested for std’s once a month, and this (in my humble opinion) is not nearly enough. I was also influenced many times to step outside of my comfort zone and perform scenes I was not comfortable with, said I would not get work if I practiced safe-sex on set, and people tried to touch me many times when it was inappropriate. I also experienced being told one thing about a shoot, only to hear another thing when I arrived, basically lied to about the form of work I would be doing. Due to my refusal to go outside of my boundaries, I may not have shot many videos, but I was merely trying protecting myself.

I have certainly had more bad experiences then good in the adult video work, but maybe adult video was just not for me. I ultimately decided that the risks were not worth the reward (money) in my case. Others may disagree, others may feel comfortable with doing things I am not, others may not find things as abusive, we all have our own tolerance levels and comfort zones. For me, the bad outweighed the good. Call me inexperienced, but in my experience, a career in hardcore porn would not be beneficial to me or my future, my health or my mental health, so I got out. I firmly believe that if I did not get out of adult video work that I would have contracted STD’s at some point, and been in some pretty ugly situations. Thankfully something good came from the bad, and I now live a good life and have a future ahead of me, and for that I am thankful.

I am not saying that legitimate agencies, agents, companies, and good people do not exist in the industry, and I did meet a few, but they are certainly not the majority. I am not saying all porn stars are under the influence or mentally troubled as well. But from my experience they were the majority. There are good experiences to be had, but I did not experience many of them. Other people may not experience any of the above, but I did, and to me the experience was not good. If one does contract std’s, etc..I do not believe they should place the blame on the porn industry, but on themselves. They need to take the blame and take responsibility for their actions. But WORKING CONDITIONS COULD DRASTICALLY IMPROVE to make the environment safer for everyone!! To say that the porn industry is to blame is incorrect, the workers are also but we have no unions, etc to protect us.

I would not consider what PC does as exploitation. It is not a requirement to share your photos or story on their website, and you can receive their help anonymously. The women who have shared their stories have done so on their own free will. I believe their controversial website and the stories/photos may INFLUENCE others to help with donations, and get involved, maybe even influence some people not to do porn…such as those commercials with photos and video of impoverished children. Alcoholics Anonymous also uses faith as a means to help others. When a person has hit their bottom, their faith is sometimes all they have. I do believe that the emphasis on religion t may hurt PC their cause because I do not know many porn stars who are religious. One can repent until they are blue in the face and attend church every Sunday, and it will not pay the bills.

Do you believe alcoholics, addicts, and the mentally troubled under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or their abusers are making rational decisions, and are fully in control of their own decisions? I will let you be the judge of that but it is my opinion that they may not be fully in control of themselves or their decisions…and this can lead to exploitation in porn and other industries…..I am not even going to touch the other aspects of the adult industry.

Do you view alcoholics anonymous posting their success stories on their website and setting up meetings for you to see the “faces of alcoholism” as exploitation? Do you believe companies like al anon are exploiting their members and religion? Do you believe al anon is more damaging to alchies because of this?
 
I am very curious to know how you have formed your opinions, as well. Do you believe PC unveiling the dark truths of the industry, the secrets people have kept for so long is a threat to the industry? DO you believe PC can help others, or do you believe it is a negative influence?

Can you please tell me where you are getting your facts from? How many women do you know personally that joined PC? How long were you in porn for? How many agents represented you? How many movies did you perform in? How many mentally troubled women did you meet in the industry? How long were you in the industry for?

Do you believe that the industry can improve working conditions? Do you believe working conditions could be safer for those involved? Do you believe everyone in porn is doing everything they can to reduce the risks associated with the industry? Do you believe monthly std testing is enough? Do you believe abuse of any kind is acceptable on set?

I am not trying to be a jack-ass but as a porn attorney I am sure you have seen positive and negative experiences from your clients. Absolutely no hard feelings, I am just curious to know your opinions. We do not have to agree. Happy debating!

cyberstripper
09-14-2010, 09:00 PM
PS. in other "legal" adult businesses such as stripclubs, and legal brothels, employees are offered safer working conditions. There are regulations and they are enforced. Does it help in all cases, most certainly not. In sc's you have bouncers that can help if someone gets abusive, in sc's you are told your legal guidelines and what is not allowed. In legal brothels there is weekly testing done as well as required condom use. This does not mean there is no risk involved, but these regulations could provide a much safer working environment for some. Not all sc's/legal brothels, etc are great places to work either, there is still risk involved, and there will always be risks, but we should all do our best to reduce the risks, as people and as corporations.

pornlaw
09-14-2010, 10:15 PM
 


I would not consider what PC does as exploitation. It is not a requirement to share your photos or story on their website, and you can receive their help anonymously. The women who have shared their stories have done so on their own free will.

Not true. They were promised money and support if they shared their stories. Money and support that ended once their usefulness ended. I had 2 approach me for help with getting away from PC because of the situations they had found themselves in.

Here is a link to Pink Cross's 2008 Tax Return.

http://www.lukeisback.com/?p=12809

$64,500 in donations were taken in. Shelly paid herself $24,250.00. $29,276.00 went to expenses of which $9,481 went to conferences and conventions and a whopping $1971.00 was actually donated to needy pornstars and their families. Thats less than 5% of the total contributions.


I believe their controversial website and the stories/photos may INFLUENCE others to help with donations, and get involved, maybe even influence some people not to do porn…such as those commercials with photos and video of impoverished children. Alcoholics Anonymous also uses faith as a means to help others. When a person has hit their bottom, their faith is sometimes all they have. I do believe that the emphasis on religion t may hurt PC their cause because I do not know many porn stars who are religious. One can repent until they are blue in the face and attend church every Sunday, and it will not pay the bills.Absolutely correct. The stories of trauma, often embellished by PC, certainly do bring in donations to PC. That is their life blood. Without the stories and photos of the former pornstars no one donates.


Do you believe alcoholics, addicts, and the mentally troubled under the influence of drugs, alcohol, or their abusers are making rational decisions, and are fully in control of their own decisions? I will let you be the judge of that but it is my opinion that they may not be fully in control of themselves or their decisions…and this can lead to exploitation in porn and other industries…..I am not even going to touch the other aspects of the adult industry.The legal standard is yes. In our world, if you sign an agreement you are bound to it unless you are a (1) minor (2) mentally challenged (not troubled) or (3) so under the influence that someone else practically had to take your hand and sign for you. Courts have upheld agreements even when the contracts were signed by someone who was under the influence.


Do you view alcoholics anonymous posting their success stories on their website and setting up meetings for you to see the “faces of alcoholism” as exploitation? Do you believe companies like al anon are exploiting their members and religion? Do you believe al anon is more damaging to alchies because of this?

The organizations you have mentioned dont attack the liquor industry. They dont campaign against it. They dont file lawsuits against liquor stores. PC does. Shelly Lubben has been very outspoken about trying to destroy the adult industry. She doesnt want to change the industry for the better. She wants it gone. Its a little different. Based on this PC is a threat to the First Amendment and the Constitution of the United States.
 

I am very curious to know how you have formed your opinions, as well. Do you believe PC unveiling the dark truths of the industry, the secrets people have kept for so long is a threat to the industry? DO you believe PC can help others, or do you believe it is a negative influence?I have been an attorney in the industry for 7 yrs. I have represented all types of clients in the industry from pornstars to studios to websites to escort agencies to escorts to dancers. PC is a threat to free speech, not the industry. She is one small voice that in the end will not put even so much as a dent in the industry. The industry is world-wide. She wont be able to change much.


Can you please tell me where you are getting your facts from? How many women do you know personally that joined PC? How long were you in porn for? How many agents represented you? How many movies did you perform in? How many mentally troubled women did you meet in the industry? How long were you in the industry for?I know 2 as stated earlier. 7 yrs in the biz in which I have represented about 6 of the agencies in the business. Never performed in a movies but I have been on countless sets of my clients as well as my fiance who is a producer. On some sets I have seen substances being used. On the vast majority I have not had that experience. The mainstream porn industry (Vivid, Wicked, Digital Playground, Adam & Eve, Hustler ect) are very careful in regards to substance abuse on set. Perhaps the mom & pop producers or the horny guy with a camera & $1000 bucks operates differently but I dont really represent them.

Most of the women in the industry have issues. Many deal with them rather well. Some do not. I have seen many people in mainstream with the same issues. Perhaps it something that affects many that want fame. How many wrestlers die young of ODs or go bersek? How many mainstream actors/actresses/musicians have died of ODs. But we dont say that Warner Bros, Fox, Universal or Dreamworks needs to be shut down. How often do you think actors/actresses have to perform "favors" to get to the top. The casting couch is not something porn came up with.


Do you believe that the industry can improve working conditions? Do you believe working conditions could be safer for those involved? Do you believe everyone in porn is doing everything they can to reduce the risks associated with the industry? Do you believe monthly std testing is enough? Do you believe abuse of any kind is acceptable on set?Absolutely it can improve but so can any industry. I have represented many non-porn clients in the 6 yrs prior to my entry into this biz. Everything from mainstream studios to agricultural companies to defense contractors. None of them were great with working conditions. Many of them thought that employees were Kleenex and disposable. Many companies would fire workers if they even hinted at a work related injury. Many would layoff older workers to prevent future injuries and reduce their costs in regards to healthcare. Employers of all kind exploit their workers. It is the nature of the employment relationship.

In the adult biz we need more frequent testing. Perhaps as often as 1 test 1 shoot. We need to stop some of the anal scenes and how they are performed. We need to provide free counseling to those in the industry. We need to have a job retraining program open to everyone. We need work comp insurance to cover all of the performers. We need health insurance. We need more female ownership. We need more female management. There are a lot that we need or need to do better.

But you dont throw out the baby with the bath water. The industry has dramatically changed in the last 2 yrs and will continue to mature as an industry. It has to or it will cease operations in California and just move to a new location.

Abuse should never be tolerated on set.

We arent perfect but we are much better than 10 yrs ago. In 10 more years I suspect that many of the needs I listed will be a reality.

Bambalina
09-15-2010, 03:17 AM
I agree with so much of this post. Bravo. I also think that one of the most important things that are moving the industry is also moving every other industry. Namely, technology and the Internet. And with it come pitfalls and boons. Inexpensive HD cameras have changed the playground forever, as well as the internet, CraigsList and other sites for adult jobs, inexpensive domain names, Site Builder software becoming pervasive and easy to use on hosting providers, and it all adds up to more freedom, but also more to watch out for.

Anyway, great post.

B.

Bambalina
09-15-2010, 03:53 AM
I also wanted to add that those who are interested in the safety of different professions within the adult industry, and how we can improve it for sex workers of all types, please show some support here and read their pages.

MUCH better than Pink Cross in my opinion, and their annual Sex Workers Rights day and Day to End Violence Against Sex Workers are wonderful events and great places to meet others in the industry and actually DO something about violence toward people in the sex industry, especially prostitution, since they are so ignored by the law.

Thanks,
B.

BeautifulMonster
09-15-2010, 08:03 AM
I have to agree with Bambalina...

Bambalina
09-15-2010, 04:37 PM
SO, I think this thread may need a defib to get it's heart beating again.

I still think this is important work we can all contribute to.

B.

cyberstripper
09-15-2010, 07:31 PM
Not true. They were promised money and support if they shared their stories. Money and support that ended once their usefulness ended. I had 2 approach me for help with getting away from PC because of the situations they had found themselves in.

Here is a link to Pink Cross's 2008 Tax Return.

http://www.lukeisback.com/?p=12809

$64,500 in donations were taken in. Shelly paid herself $24,250.00. $29,276.00 went to expenses of which $9,481 went to conferences and conventions and a whopping $1971.00 was actually donated to needy pornstars and their families. Thats less than 5% of the total contributions.

I am very disappointed and saddened to hear/see this. I never thought of "digging" deeper. I have only heard good things of PC from one of my friends who joined, I got in touch with her yesterday and she did sign up to PC but did not receive any money for help, etc... She did receive a "care package" and has been involved in the forums but never asked for financial help. I do not know what to say but thank you for informing me/us of this. I mentioned PC here because I really did believe that they may help people...I do not know what to believe now. TY for providing me with the truth, you definately have influenced and changed my opinions of PC.

I really appreciate your help. I really am trying to help people, as well, and I thought PC could be a "help" to some women here who are intrested in "changing" the industry. There are not so many websites that exist in general to help pornstars or sexworkers.

If you can point us in the right direction pornlaw it would be fantastic!

What can all of us start doing now, to change the industry for the better and make the future of the industry safer? What can we do to truly help the women who need it? Do any sites/non profit organizations truly exist that to help women of the adult industry? What would you recommend??

How can I help change the industry, just lil ol me? I have thought of starting a non-profit organization without so much emphasis on religion, but I do not know where to begin. I do not have money to donate to charities, but I do have time. I'd like to donate my time to a cause that can really help others in this industry. Please point me in the right direction. Thank you in advance!

Bambalina
09-16-2010, 12:45 AM
I am very disappointed and saddened to hear/see this. I never thought of "digging" deeper. I have only heard good things of PC from one of my friends who joined, I got in touch with her yesterday and she did sign up to PC but did not receive any money for help, etc... She did receive a "care package" and has been involved in the forums but never asked for financial help. I do not know what to say but thank you for informing me/us of this. I mentioned PC here because I really did believe that they may help people...I do not know what to believe now. TY for providing me with the truth, you definately have influenced and changed my opinions of PC.

I really appreciate your help. I really am trying to help people, as well, and I thought PC could be a "help" to some women here who are intrested in "changing" the industry. There are not so many websites that exist in general to help pornstars or sexworkers.

If you can point us in the right direction pornlaw it would be fantastic!

What can all of us start doing now, to change the industry for the better and make the future of the industry safer? What can we do to truly help the women who need it? Do any sites/non profit organizations truly exist that to help women of the adult industry? What would you recommend??

How can I help change the industry, just lil ol me? I have thought of starting a non-profit organization without so much emphasis on religion, but I do not know where to begin. I do not have money to donate to charities, but I do have time. I'd like to donate my time to a cause that can really help others in this industry. Please point me in the right direction. Thank you in advance!
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I'll try this again.



Sex Workers OutReach...They are awesome and for real and have a VERY cool rally in Washington and NY every year made up SOLELY of Sex Workers. It is the ultimate get together. But they do GREAT work for women (and men and transgendered as well), especially the Escorts and other workers who actually deal more closely with clients.

No religion, no morality jargon. Real Sex Workers helping each other out.

B.

Christany
09-16-2010, 12:54 AM
This is interesting, they have a link to start your own chapter:

http://www.swopusa.org/en/node/208

pornlaw
09-16-2010, 08:07 AM
I would have to agree with Bambalina, go with SWOPUSA.

I do believe in the idea of PC. While I am completely anti-religion, some find it necessary, and if PC was not bent on destroying the industry I would support them and their work. When Shelley Lubben shows up at govt. hearings and conventions and starts lambasting the industry that gives me pause to be concerned.

Is she here to help the girls, or is she using the girls to further her agenda ? Other than condoms on set I do not believe she has furthered any other cause.

If women want to change the industry then it has to be done from inside. You have to own your own companies and work together. You all own the only product that this industry sells. It is beyond me why women would hand it over to a man to sell...

KaylaM
09-16-2010, 08:14 AM
Porn Law, That was the most smartest thing I've ever heard a man say here on sw. Especially the last statement. You are sooo right!

Christany
09-16-2010, 08:16 AM
I would have to agree with Bambalina, go with SWOPUSA.

I do believe in the idea of PC. While I am completely anti-religion, some find it necessary, and if PC was not bent on destroying the industry I would support them and their work. When Shelley Lubben shows up at govt. hearings and conventions and starts lambasting the industry that gives me pause to be concerned.

Is she here to help the girls, or is she using the girls to further her agenda ? Other than condoms on set I do not believe she has furthered any other cause.

If women want to change the industry then it has to be done from inside. You have to own your own companies and work together. You all own the only product that this industry sells. It is beyond me why women would hand it over to a man to sell...

I agree wholeheartedly. I think many women enter (and sometimes re-enter) the industry, because they need instant emergency income (to pay the rent, to pay a bill, etc...). Then they get caught in the cycle and feel afraid to stray from the business model that is massively prevalent. I think the past history of the attempted unionizing of clubs has scared them. (It seems to have worked well for the Lusty Lady though). But to be honest, I think that may have been a bad example and not indicative of what it could be for the adult content/video industry, if done the right way. Not in forming a trade union, but a coalition.

Bambalina
09-17-2010, 03:05 AM
I would have to agree with Bambalina, go with SWOPUSA.

I do believe in the idea of PC. While I am completely anti-religion, some find it necessary, and if PC was not bent on destroying the industry I would support them and their work. When Shelley Lubben shows up at govt. hearings and conventions and starts lambasting the industry that gives me pause to be concerned.

Is she here to help the girls, or is she using the girls to further her agenda ? Other than condoms on set I do not believe she has furthered any other cause.

If women want to change the industry then it has to be done from inside. You have to own your own companies and work together. You all own the only product that this industry sells. It is beyond me why women would hand it over to a man to sell...

Absolutely. Bravo! The industry as a whole whole needs re-vamping, but not from the religious right, the lawmakers, or even the people now running the "show", but from those truly ARE the show. The hard working women (and sometimes men) who truly make up the backbone of this luscious, sexy, incredible business.

In my opinion, this subject should probably be broken down by different aspects of the business, as well as the differing prongs of a strategy that would actually DO something that begins offering change on every level.

For example, the idea of doing a site (or even more than one) based solely on the model of being content rich promotional sites for women as a collective.

A performer/promoter/female/model owned and run cam site. Designed from the group up to cause all the best models to jump ship and come work there. Which would in turn allow for really well-programmed sub-sites to open up for specifically niche/fetish content.

Sites (like this) which would allow for workers in all areas of adult entertainment to get together and meet outside the sex work arena, as people, to just discuss and find solutions, and network.

Couple this with efforts to create a coalition of Dancers, and another for Pron actors and actresses and we could have something solid happening fairly soon.

The main problem with most things like this is apathy. Just as everyone going out and voting for a 3rd party would change the entire political structure of the USA, this problem suffers from lack of cohesive numbers and those willing to step up the the plate and become activists in favor of change and growth for the women's movement within Adult Entertainment.

B.

cyberstripper
09-17-2010, 06:47 PM
Ty so much for the link to swop I am surprised I have not come across this in internet searches before!!!

We all may disagree from time to time, but there is one thing we all have in common: we know the industry does need CHANGE to improve and we would like to HELP!!!

Pornlaw I can totally see where you are coming from....and though I did have bad experiences shooting hardcore video, I did not place blame on the industry, or cry victim. Those who point fingers and place the blame on others or industries are not looking at the big picture or taking responsibility. P.S I sent you a PM not too long ago about epassporte, hope to hear back from you soon!

As for handing over my money to men, I dont look at sm as my PIMP persay as a camgirl lol, but as you have said yourself, not many women own companies, we need more female owners and managers, agents, etc, who have experienced the industry itself as well.

Bambalina
09-20-2010, 11:41 PM
I find it nuts that there are so few really. I mean if you have a good week and put aside $1000, you have a kick ass pay site, and if you get two friends, you have 3 people for content.

B.

Kellydancer
09-21-2010, 12:18 AM
Ty so much for the link to swop I am surprised I have not come across this in internet searches before!!!

We all may disagree from time to time, but there is one thing we all have in common: we know the industry does need CHANGE to improve and we would like to HELP!!!

Pornlaw I can totally see where you are coming from....and though I did have bad experiences shooting hardcore video, I did not place blame on the industry, or cry victim. Those who point fingers and place the blame on others or industries are not looking at the big picture or taking responsibility. P.S I sent you a PM not too long ago about epassporte, hope to hear back from you soon!

As for handing over my money to men, I dont look at sm as my PIMP persay as a camgirl lol, but as you have said yourself, not many women own companies, we need more female owners and managers, agents, etc, who have experienced the industry itself as well.

The whole industry needs to change in this respect and it starts from the bottom. For instance clubs need to start hiring dancers as managers instead of some stupid guy who only wants to be a manager because he thinks he can get laid. We also need to respect female owners more. iI couldn't begin to tell you how many companies wouldn't deal with me when I ran my own company because "we deal with men". In particular one bar wanted me to bring in my dancers for a show but refused to deal with me, instead asked for my male partner (who was also a dancer hmself). There is a lot of discrimination against women even from women.

Bambalina
09-21-2010, 01:14 AM
The whole industry needs to change in this respect and it starts from the bottom. For instance clubs need to start hiring dancers as managers instead of some stupid guy who only wants to be a manager because he thinks he can get laid. We also need to respect female owners more. iI couldn't begin to tell you how many companies wouldn't deal with me when I ran my own company because "we deal with men". In particular one bar wanted me to bring in my dancers for a show but refused to deal with me, instead asked for my male partner (who was also a dancer hmself). There is a lot of discrimination against women even from women.

See? This makes me SOOO mad! We need to start working on something more concrete, that can actually allow us to come together. I think we could promote a new renaissance in the Adult industry, bring the world's women into enjoying the entertainment, and truly make the industry be the classy and sexy one that most women know it COULD be.

B.

Kellydancer
09-21-2010, 12:06 PM
It could start by actually promoting women run industries. We are the ones who are used and abused by the industry, we should take over more of it. That's why I really respect the women who took over their careers at became successful. There are things dancers can do but they won't. For instance, next time a club hires a stupid male instead of an experienced woman, boycott the club. Stop allowing these clubs to do this.