View Full Version : Are we on the road to extinction?
Golden_Rule
10-13-2010, 09:26 PM
It's my feeling the clubs will remain but things will never circle back to the way they were years ago.
That is true of anything and everything. Why should S-C's be any different.
Don't presume change can't go in both directions though. Take the once thriving gay baths in many large cities. It was large enough scene to launch mainstream stars like Bette Middler and others. Today, gone.
Already the S-C scene has a new competitor in the cam site. For many men, worried about being seen going in or out of clubs and other issues the cam site does for them what VHS did for guys who didn't want to go to local porno theaters, and what internet porn did fof guys or couples not wanting to rent porn at their local video rental place.
The only sure thing you can bet on is change.
bem401
10-14-2010, 05:54 AM
just because things are slow NOW doesn't mean they'll stay slow.
For the girls' sakes, the customers' sakes, and this site's sake, I hope you're right. I'm just not sure you are and any potential turnaround would seem to be years away at best. That doesn't mean the status quo doesn't exist for certain girls and their customers but here in RI a year ago business was down 50% from its heyday a few years earlier. New laws curbing contact cut that reduced business in half. Girls, customers, and management worried about LE and, for the most part, the customers stayed away. I'd say 3/4 of the customers here come from neighboring states and they decided it was worth neither the risk nor the commute given the lower level of permissable contact. My understanding is that at least some of the contact has returned but the business is still way down, so far down in fact that some clubs are operating certain parts of their establishments as "non-SC's" at certain times of the week.
The bottom line is neither you nor I can predict what will happen. I hope you're right. I'm just not very optimistic.
she sells sanctuary
10-14-2010, 08:36 AM
Don't presume change can't go in both directions though. Take the once thriving gay baths in many large cities. It was large enough scene to launch mainstream stars like Bette Middler and others. Today, gone.
because of the AIDS epidemic. i wouldn't compare the strip club slow down to what AIDS did to the gay community.
tempest666
10-14-2010, 09:40 AM
I think we should have mandatory IQ tests. This idiot newb came and asked me yesterday "Can this guy take his dick out of his pants?" I said "No this is not a brothel". Blank look. "What's that?" FAIL!!!! :D
she sells sanctuary
10-14-2010, 11:07 AM
well, in that case, i'd say yes he can. then he gets back there, "no, you may not". "but you said i could". "what you can do and what you may do are not the same. pay me."
Kellydancer
10-14-2010, 11:36 AM
Yes. Let's look at porn. (57 minutes elapse.) Alright, I'm back, and I'm ready to link porn trends with stripclub trends. I think they're both like the tide. These trends come and go and return. Around 2001-2004, the average porn movie was much more abusive in its treatment of women than what we see currently. Choking and spitting were part of one's day, it went without saying. If you go back further, you'd see things change back and forth as the female performers were treated more like stars for a while, then more like anti-stars who were kept as nameless and facelesss as possible and asked to go through more of an ordeal for their paycheck, then their scenes were less of an ordeal for a while, etc.
So I think the same thing is probably going on with stripclubs. Way back in time, they were seen as raunchy places and the women there were closely associated with prostitution. The customers who went there wouldn't speak proudly of it in the open and the women who worked there kept it to themselves. Because "No good can come of such places, right"? Then the big boom happened, and people started asking "Hey maybe stripclubs can be good fun after all, huh?" And strippers went on TV and started getting seen more as legit entertainers than as prostitutes, and new types of folks were drawn in to have this new kind of fun--guys and dancers who wouldn't have gone during the previous era when there was more stigma around stripclubs. The nation saw a big expansion of clean clubs opening up to take advantage of the trend of legitimate lapdancing. The nation started to see strippers as separate from prostitution. Wives knew it wasn't the end of the world if their hubby went.
From what I read on here, it looks like it's heading back the other way again. So I think the strip club business model will survive, but things will contract, like on the science channel when the universe stops expanding and starts shrinking. Only with the stripping universe, I think it's more like the expanding and contracting of lungs breathing in and out slowly over the years. It'll expand again as a business. And it'll get more legit again. Something will happen in the nation that'll make people want to bring legit stripclubs back, like bell bottoms. It's not like the old definition of "gentleman's club" is totally being forgotten and replaced by these dudes looking for sex. Secretly hoping there's some kind of sex going on is part of what's drawn in customers all along, even when the clubs were clean. Part of the allure. These "new" sex-hungry customers aren't a new species. They're from the same customer base as stripclub customers always are from. These guys might not have gone for a few years, after their sex-hopes were disappointed too many times by clean clubs. Now this sleaze-seeking batch of customers is freshly energized by how the sex is more findable. So now they're like the Tea Party voters who are more excited about going to vote to see how they can help change things. Whereas the guys looking for legit dancing are like the people who voted for Obama: They are less energized to go to stripclubs right now because they've gotten things their way for a while and they don't know if they like change anymore.
The point is it'll keep on changing, and then the change will change. It might go extinct for a bit, then like a naked Jesus or Arnold, it'll be back.
You bring up something I previously mentioned and it bears repeating again. Back when I got into dancing was the heyday of gentlemens clubs (1993). I got in when many clubs were opening and selling air dances. However, what needs to be mentioned is that just a few years previously strip clubs at least the ones in the Chicago area were brothels owned by the mafia. Everyone knew these clubs were brothels and many of my guy friends went to get laid. By the time I started dancing these clubs were either being closed or they were coexisting with the gentlemens clubs and they were getting a lesser quality of dancers. In a strange irony several of these clubs were closed then a few years later were opened as strictly clean gentlemens club. Many others were opened by guys who owned brothels but decided to go legit. I worked for one of these guys. He told me he owned one of the clubs that was a whorehouse, got busted, but then opened a no touch gentlemens club. Said he made more money and was a legit businessman now.
While I did work for many dancers who started in the brothels, many other never would have done that job. I never would have become a stripper if it meant sleeping with strangers. I never would have become a stripper if I had to do things like let a customer lick my boob or French kiss me. I got into it because I loved the idea of dancing as well as teasing guys without actually having to do anything.
minnow
10-15-2010, 06:06 PM
I am speaking social norms. You are speaking to technology and marketing conventions. Apples and oranges, though sometimes they meet at intersecting tangents.
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No, I'm speaking minimum customer expectations, in that once a certain "frame of reference" ("norm") is newly experienced, then satisfaction established over a period of time, people won't be eager to go back to old norms. Stripclubs are marketing a product to a certain extent, so I see an intersecting tangent.:teacher:
loren
10-15-2010, 07:27 PM
I also hate how a lot of clubs have turned into nightclubs. Ive seen guys get up and dance and all too often say, "Im just here to drink". This is happening at a lot of bigger clubs ive worked.
I agree a strip club should be a strip club. There is no reason for strippers to work at a night club. That just causes A LOT OF FIGHTS. I have seen countless girls hit their boyfriend or even try to start a fight with a dancer. It causes nothing but violence.
loren
10-15-2010, 07:52 PM
Peep-shows were replaced by magazines, which were followed by adult cinema, which were put out of business by VHS, which was replaced by DVD, which is being replaced by the internet. I don't see things reverting to the days of less contact any more than I see a rebound in adult cinemas. Look at the levels porn has progressed (or regressed) to. Do you really think they'll be scaling things back to the way they were a couple decades ago? How much worse can it get than what we have now with world wide slavery? There has to be a certain point where people realize that it's not ok to treat people like that. Will it become legal to beat the crap out of someone simply for "sexual pleasure"? There has to be a limit.
Maybe once everyone gets so screwed up in the head from all of these violent elaborate "so called sex" acts? Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself.
Jay12
10-15-2010, 11:36 PM
I have mixed feelings towards this post. I mean, I do agree on the extras being the rule rather than the exception (i mean, where I work, a dancer gave herself a handjob in front of everyone) is very common (I always say no to customers who ask me to flash my kitty or my nipples; I'm in the uberly conservative state of Va), but I still think there are plenty of women out there that still play by the old rules of the industry.
What's worse? clients that do not have any respect for the old rule and that tell me that in order to make more money I have to do extras. I work the opening/afternoon shift just so I can improve my skills as a DANCER, and then some random old man is telling me that doing a proper dance is wrong.
I love dancing more than anything, and I can't imagine not having dancing in my life. Dancing has saved me from many things, it has improved my physique, my flexibility, my health and my self image. Everyday, I express how happy am doing this. I will keep dancing, until my body cannot take it anymore. I will do it fair, square, and smart.