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Arialandre
10-05-2010, 07:50 PM
Haahahaha, I would actually totally use that service! Motivate me to make those bastards pay!

charlie61
10-05-2010, 08:24 PM
^ I know...I think I would too!!

Kellydancer
10-05-2010, 08:42 PM
If you live with your SO, and want to have kids one day, most likely the woman will not be able to work or not work as much as the man because of pregnancy and having an infant in the house. If a man isn't at least willing to take care of you at some point, you should question how serious he is about you or about having a future with you (that is assuming you may one day want a family).

This is why you pick guys carefully. I have known both stay at home moms, dads, and situation where both parents work, and the situation I like best is where both work. To say that a woman will likely be the one making less, the one taking time off, etc really is an outdated one. I will not have a child unless it's with a guy who feels like I do, that both people work. I have a masters, I'll be damned if I'll let that go to waste. I have discussed this with the guy I love and we both think the perfect solution is we both take off time for the birth and when the time is up that we'll both go to work and one of the grandparents will babysit. I'll almost always be the bigger breadwinner in this case, so why should I quit my (presumably) higher income job so he could support me on his lower salary?

Keep this in mind that there's no guarantee of a salary and I've seen stay at home parent go back to work.

Kellydancer
10-05-2010, 08:45 PM
I do get a sadistic thrill out of hurting guys...... piece of shit dirtbag guys who I meet at the strip club and deserve it. Call me jaded or fucked in the head, whatever, but when you have guys with wedding bands on and newborn babies or pregnant wives at home trying so hard to pressure you into and pay you to go back to their hotel rooms and fuck them, you tend to develop a hatred, and get a sick pleasure from fucking them over in any way possible, and I gain an enormous sense of empowerment from this.

I have no problems screwing these guys financially, but unfortunately they aren't the guys who would get hurt. The "nice guys" are the ones who get hurt, and make it rough for the women who truly love them. This is what I am going through now, dealing with a guy who may never commit to me because another woman screwed him over financially.

charlie61
10-05-2010, 09:05 PM
^ Not to mention...if I were to be like that, then I think I'd scare away all of the good guys. They wouldn't even have a chance to show me real love because they wouldn't come within a mile of me!

Good for money, bad for love. :-/

Kellydancer
10-05-2010, 09:16 PM
^ Not to mention...if I were to be like that, then I think I'd scare away all of the good guys. They wouldn't even have a chance to show me real love because they wouldn't come within a mile of me!

Good for money, bad for love. :-/

Yep. Many nice guys have been hurt and run at the first sign of more hurt. I remember reading something about this on a dating site that most people with emotional issues (the ones we call emotionally unavailable) are the ones who were the "nice" guys and girls and they got so hurt they never wanted to try again.

anouk.oui
10-05-2010, 09:36 PM
i prefer to pay mine, i want to feel like im in my house AND his, not quietly squatting in his house coz he allows me.

if you dont like it, get a sugardaddy and have him pay for it and keep your bf to be like your little pet thing

Vyanka
10-06-2010, 01:42 AM
I never lived with a guy, & wont unless it's someone i'm going to marry for sure. Me personally, I would not want to rent either if i'm going to live with someone I am married to. I prefer buying a home. But I don't think I am ever going to get married to a man anyway(that's a whole different topic). Lets just say IF that ever happened.

Now about the whole splitting mortgage payments and bills.... I guess it would depend on the financial situation on both parties, where they'd like to live, esp if they decide to have a kid or more. Etc.

Would never be with a god damn waste of a moocher, that's for damn sure.

BustyAmeera
10-06-2010, 06:09 AM
I like this thread because I am kind of old fashioned too, but I do believe in being independent. It is easier for me to have my own half of everything in my relationship. My boyfriend and I moved into a house together 7 months ago. My boyfriend has paid the whole rent by himself 2 months, and he paid all the money for us to move in, because I needed him to do that, but he will complain if I don't help him pay for half the rent, because he wants to use his extra money for video games, sub sandwiches lol, clothes, and other dumb shit.

If he doesn't have his money for his dumb shit list, then he whines and complains like a bitch about it. So for me it is easier to have money for my half, even though he will pay, because it saves me a headache.

I'm a cam girl and recently I was not paid one month because of ePassporte, so my boyfriend had to pay the rent. His play staytion crapped out on him that month as well. Omg, he whined like a little bitch about it for WEEKS! Thank God he got a new one this past weekend, and I had all my money for my half this month, and no more whining.

I guess my point is, just go ahead and have your half of bills, because if not, it puts you in a situation where the man can talk shit if he doesn't really have a lot of money. Yes it's nice if the man pays the bills, and I like it when he does, but it just makes life more peaceful when you can show your independence by having your half of the bills.

This is my 1st time in over 6 years living with someone, so I'm use to paying my own way. So it's a relief for me to have a partner now;)

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 01:01 PM
I have no problems screwing these guys financially, but unfortunately they aren't the guys who would get hurt. The "nice guys" are the ones who get hurt.
And J.D. is not the one hurting those guys.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 01:19 PM
And I'm attracted to money as well, but I think it's because I'm attracted to the general personality people who tend to make good money have. Hard working, ambitious and responsible men who have good taste and make calculated decisions. That's what I like.

Yes ma'am! Are you a Capricorn btw? I am and we sure do love our ambitious, powerful and wealthy men! But also; these qualities that I look for in men are also qualities that I would consider successful in myself, I'm very ambitious, hard-working and responsible and I would not be satisfied with myself as a person if I was not making a good life for myself. So naturally, I am attracted to men with the same traits and that have been successful with them. It's my goal to be independently wealthy, I highly respect a man who has done that for himself.

Maybe some girls can be attracted to a dude in a dead end job or a dude doing what he loves but that's not too successful with it...cool. It's just not what I could ever go for personally.

And as far as men being providers vs my entitlement; I do feel that a real man would not be happy with himself if he couldn't provide completely for his family. But also, I see a man's willingness to care for a woman as a sort of barometer for his level of feelings towards her. I believe that when a man really loves, respects and worships a woman that it is very obvious. He will do whatever he can to keep her around and happy. If you're with a guy that could afford to take care of you and yet he refuses... it's a reflection of how he feels about you.

charlie61
10-06-2010, 01:23 PM
Yes ma'am! Are you a Capricorn btw? I am and we sure do love our ambitious, powerful and wealthy men! But also; these qualities that I look for in men are also qualities that I would consider successful in myself, I'm very ambitious, hard-working and responsible and I would not be satisfied with myself as a person if I was not making a good life for myself. So naturally, I am attracted to men with the same traits and that have been successful with them. It's my goal to be independently wealthy, I highly respect a man who has done that for himself.

Maybe some girls can be attracted to a dude in a dead end job or a dude doing what he loves but that's not too successful with it...cool. It's just not what I could ever go for personally.

And as far as men being providers vs my entitlement; I do feel that a real man would not be happy with himself if he couldn't provide completely for his family. But also, I see a man's willingness to care for a woman as a sort of barometer for his level of feelings towards her. I believe that when a man really loves, respects and worships a woman that it is very obvious. He will do whatever he can to keep her around and happy. If you're with a guy that could afford to take care of you and yet he refuses... it's a reflection of how he feels about you.

It seems like you're arguing a different point than what's being debated in the thread. I mean, I wouldn't want to date a deadbeat either; obviously most people are attracted to those who are successful.--financially and otherwise And I would agree that there is something to be said for a man who can afford to support a family and whatnot.

What's being argued is the question of if a man should be expected to pay the bills just because he's the man in the relationship.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 02:43 PM
^^Yes and this is why:


And as far as men being providers vs my entitlement; I do feel that a real man would not be happy with himself if he couldn't provide completely for his family. But also, I see a man's willingness to care for a woman as a sort of barometer for his level of feelings towards her. I believe that when a man really loves, respects and worships a woman that it is very obvious. He will do whatever he can to keep her around and happy. If you're with a guy that could afford to take care of you and yet he refuses... it's a reflection of how he feels about you.

4everresolutions
10-06-2010, 02:48 PM
^ I feel essentially the same, you articulate it better than I could.

And yes, I'm a Capricorn too!

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 02:52 PM
Who would want to date a deadbeat? I wouldn't but that's a different topic really. There's a difference between a guy who has a job and works hard (but doesn't make much) than a guy who's unemployed/underemployed. I certainly wouldn't date a guy who's a career McDonalds worker but don't care if he makes a low salary.

People keep mentioning provider, but do those realize what that means to all women? It means places will use that as an excuse to pay a woman less. Yes I've been paid less than a man because of that excuse. It will also encourage places to not hire women. In return many women will think "why should I work hard when all I can be is a housewife"? Do you want a return to those times? I don't and paying our fair share is the result. I want to be paid the same, I want to return to work right after a birth, and I want to have the same rights as a man.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 03:34 PM
Why do you assume that the man being the provider means that the woman is automatically a housewife? A woman can have a career and a providing husband. Also I don't really understand your workplace argument.


There's a difference between a guy who has a job and works hard (but doesn't make much)

A guy that works hard and not making good money off of it is again, not my type of guy. You can simultaneously have a work ethic, no business and no money sense...which is a turn-off to me.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 03:38 PM
Why do you assume that the man being the provider means that the woman is automatically a housewife? A woman can have a career and a providing husband. Also I don't really understand your workplace argument.

Yes she can have a career but my point is that employers could use the "provider" excuse not to pay her the same as a man. Besides if she has a career, why does she need a provider husband?


A guy that works hard and not making good money off of it is again, not my type of guy.

In this economy there are many hardworking people not making a lot of money. Making a lot of money doesn't always mean hardworking or not. Women who only judge on what kind of money he makes is the same as a trophy wife or an escort. At least escorts are honest about it though.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 03:47 PM
Yes she can have a career but my point is that employers could use the "provider" excuse not to pay her the same as a man. Besides if she has a career, why does she need a provider husband?

Who did you work for that interviewed you on your personal life and decided to base your pay off of it? /:O Also, it isn't about NEEDING a provider husband. Speaking for myself again: I don't want a provider so I don't have to work. It is not about that at all. It's what it says about a man.


In this economy there are many hardworking people not making a lot of money. Making a lot of money doesn't always mean hardworking or not.

There are also people making bank in this economy. Also, being a better provider/making more money does not necessarily mean being a 'harder' worker. It does mean being a SMARTER worker though.

girlfromipanema
10-06-2010, 03:48 PM
People keep mentioning provider, but do those realize what that means to all women? It means places will use that as an excuse to pay a woman less. Yes I've been paid less than a man because of that excuse. It will also encourage places to not hire women. In return many women will think "why should I work hard when all I can be is a housewife"? Do you want a return to those times? I don't and paying our fair share is the result. I want to be paid the same, I want to return to work right after a birth, and I want to have the same rights as a man.

Last year President Obama signed a bill into law that relaxes the statute of limitations should a female want to sue her former employer for unequal pay. Might be worth filing if there was a substantial accumulated difference over a period of time.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/us/politics/30ledbetter-web.html

So we shouldn't label a man "provider" and we should pay our half of the house bills and rent in order to prevent workplace discrimination? There is not necessarily a causal relationship there. We may as well all quit our jobs as strippers too in order to eliminate female objectification.

Since everyone has a choice of how they are going to live their lives, everyone will act in their own best interest. Many women are indebted to the feminist movement for allowing us the choice to either be supported by a man or not. Some will still choose traditional gender roles rather than assert their financial independence. Some women find the work world to be overrated.

I hope everyone can eventually reach a point of understanding that both ways are okay.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 03:56 PM
Who did you work for that interviewed you on your personal life and decided to base your pay off of it? /:O Also, it isn't about NEEDING a provider husband. Speaking for myself again: I don't want a provider so I don't have to work. It is not about that at all. It's what it says about a man.

Many places have asked me about my personal life. I could give a long list but it's not important. My last job did discriminate on me based on my gender. They promoted white men because "they had families".


There are also people making bank in this economy. Also, being a better provider/making more money does not necessarily mean being a 'harder' worker. It does mean being a SMARTER worker though.

WRONG. . I am very smart and I still lost my job. My coworker who was one of the head people of Mensa also lost his job. My employer kept a woman who was a former streetwalker/thief and several high school dropouts. SMARTS has nothing to do with this economy and when you leave dancing to go into a corporate job you'll see for yourself smarts doesn't always matter. In fact employers often bypass people with degrees for being overqualified.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 03:59 PM
Last year President Obama signed a bill into law that relaxes the statute of limitations should a female want to sue her former employer for unequal pay. Might be worth filing if there was a substantial accumulated difference over a period of time.



So we shouldn't label a man "provider" and we should pay our half of the house bills and rent in order to prevent workplace discrimination? There is not necessarily a causal relationship there. We may as well all quit our jobs as strippers too in order to eliminate female objectification.

Since everyone has a choice of how they are going to live their lives, everyone will act in their own best interest. Many women are indebted to the feminist movement for allowing us the choice to either be supported by a man or not. Some will still choose traditional gender roles rather than assert their financial independence. Some women find the work world to be overrated.

I hope everyone can eventually reach a point of understanding that both ways are okay.

Everyone finds the work world overrated. Women that choose not to work are just lazy but that's another topic. Those who want traditional roles better be prepared for ALL traditional roles. You can't pick and choose which ones you want. If women want traditional roles then they better be prepared to quit voting, stop working, and endure sexual harassment. No thanks.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 04:08 PM
WRONG. . I am very smart and I still lost my job. My coworker who was one of the head people of Mensa also lost his job. My employer kept a woman who was a former streetwalker/thief and several high school dropouts. SMARTS has nothing to do with this economy and when you leave dancing to go into a corporate job you'll see for yourself smarts doesn't always matter. In fact employers often bypass people with degrees for being overqualified.
You say you're so smart yet you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying. When I say 'work smarter not harder' obviously the smarts that I mean are not IQ-based. I suppose I mean more entrepreneurial smarts. Being a Jeopardy contestant and being say a successful business owner are two different kinds of 'smart.' You can be a high school drop out and still be a self-made millionaire. You can have five degrees and not know squat about making money/be broke. Also why do you assume that being a good prover equals being successful only in the corporate world?

Also I'm sick of everyone blaming everything on 'this economy' blah blah blah. Yes it is at a low point but there are still people making serious money.

girlfromipanema
10-06-2010, 04:09 PM
Everyone finds the work world overrated. Women that choose not to work are just lazy but that's another topic. Those who want traditional roles better be prepared for ALL traditional roles. You can't pick and choose which ones you want. If women want traditional roles then they better be prepared to quit voting, stop working, and endure sexual harassment. No thanks.

I see you are very passionate about this subject, Kelly, and I respect that. I can bet though, if my neighbor, a housewife and mother of four by choice would be offended the statement "women that choose not to work are just lazy."

When you say we can't pick and choose which roles we want, perhaps you mean if we forgo our right to be financially independent that it will put our other rights in jeapordy. Kind of equivalent to if we don't defend our constitutional rights we will lose them. Good point, but in this case, I think there is more grey area.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 04:16 PM
You say you're so smart yet you can't seem to grasp what I'm saying. When I say 'work smarter not harder' obviously the smarts that I mean are not IQ-based. I suppose I mean more entrepreneurial smarts. Being a Jeopardy contestant and being say a successful business owner are two different kinds of 'smart.' You can be a high school drop out and still be a self-made millionaire. You can have five degrees and not know squat about making money/be broke. Also why do you assume that being a good prover equals being successful only in the corporate world?

Also I'm sick of everyone blaming everything on 'this economy' blah blah blah. Yes it is at a low point but there are still people making serious money.

Not everyone has business smarts. Some have smarts more academic based. And the economy is bad, and the people making "serious money" are the ones already rich. If you think anyone can make money that's a delusional thought because I know many people struggling.

Zinaida
10-06-2010, 04:20 PM
Not everyone has business smarts. Some have smarts more academic based.

Yeah - that was my whole point. The men that I'm going to be attracted to will have business smarts. Nice circle you took us in...


and the people making "serious money" are the ones already rich.

The ONLY people making money these days were already rich? So not true. Reminds me of stripping in a way. The economy has nose-dived and many dancers are struggling, but there are still dancers that consistently make $500+ a shift. They are not that common but there are still plenty of them out there.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 04:23 PM
I see you are very passionate about this subject, Kelly, and I respect that. I can bet though, if my neighbor, a housewife and mother of four by choice would be offended the statement "women that choose not to work are just lazy."

When you say we can't pick and choose which roles we want, perhaps you mean if we forgo our right to be financially independent that it will put our other rights in jeapordy. Kind of equivalent to if we don't defend our constitutional rights we will lose them. Good point, but in this case, I think there is more grey area.

I'm not going to get into it, but yes many women I've known who gave up careers to stay at home were lazy. Does it mean most in general are lazy? I hope not but the ones I know were somewhat wealthy and they spend their whole day shopping and and working out while the nanny and the housekeeper takes care of everything. I don't care if someone gives up their career but I do question why a woman would give up a good career to have a lifestyle like that. I'd also question why someone would give up a career to stay at home and struggles to pay the bills. That makes no sense but these women aren't lazy. My major problem with this is that many men expect it because of these women and it makes it harder for women like me.

The thing is when we go back to traditional roles, we will lose more rights. Did you know there are many people who want to repeal the 19th Amendment (the one giving women the vote)? We have to progress because once one right is gone, others will follow. I am not saying I like all the progress that has been made but I don't want to go back in time.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 04:27 PM
Yeah - that was my whole point. The men that I'm going to be attracted to will have business smarts. Nice circle you took us in...

I have no interest in those guys. Maybe if I wanted to be a trophy wife, but I prefer blue collar guys, guys that actually get dirty when they work. Besides we all know what they call women who marry men for their money.



The ONLY people making money these days were already rich? So not true. Reminds me of stripping in a way. The economy has nose-dived and many dancers are struggling, but there are still dancers that consistently make $500+ a shift. They are not that common but there are still plenty of them out there.

And many of the dancers making that are extras girls. If there's all of these people making money, name a field because I'd love to work in this field with all these people getting rich. This is funny because I know BANKERS who have lost jobs, along with teachers, nurses and pretty much every field.

Candy Girl
10-06-2010, 04:36 PM
And the name for men who target women with money for love/sex/romance?
"Dick riders." The male equivalent of "gold digger." And it's very real.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 04:39 PM
And the name for men who target women with money for love/sex/romance?
"Dick riders." The male equivalent of "gold digger." And it's very real.

I met a guy like that. I dumped him right away. I met him while I was dancing at this one club and he was the DJ. He turned out to be a con artist and a pimp. I can spot these losers a mile away. I don't approve of these guys just like I don't approve of gold diggers. In fact to me anyone dating someone because of women is the same as a prostitute, except a prostitute is honest by admitting they only want the money.

_Avery_
10-06-2010, 05:46 PM
I kinda wish the blues could at least post in this topic.
I'd like to hear their thoughts on this....

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 05:57 PM
Me too. I know I sound harsh on stay at home moms, but that's not my intention. It's just that this whole idea of going back to traditional roles really angers me because it hurts everyone, including people in traditional roles. I can tell you though that I had this discussion with the guy I love and he had an interesting comment. His last girlfriend planned to stay at home if they got married and he hated that idea, but he loved the idea of having a wife so bad that he said he was fine with it (he was desperate to marry). Only he wasn't. Because of her, he has problems with me and thinking all woman are like that.

_Avery_
10-06-2010, 05:59 PM
I posted this on the blue side, just wanna see what some guys have to say on it. :)

Promnesiac
10-06-2010, 06:03 PM
I posted this on the blue side, just wanna see what some guys have to say on it. :)

Cool! I'd be interested, too. I certainly hope that for the most part they don't want to be expected to support someone because of her gender.

Also, the phrase "a real man" when it's followed by all sorts of pronouncements about financial responsibility makes my skin crawl.

That said, I'm really appreciating all the views in here. It helps to know the reasons behind an opposing view.

Arialandre
10-06-2010, 06:43 PM
Sooo going to check out the blue side ASAP

DesuvsDeath
10-06-2010, 06:51 PM
My major problem with this is that many men expect it because of these women and it makes it harder for women like me.
The same could be said of women who think careers and splitting bills are more important than being able to spend time with their husbands/boyfriends/whoever the fuck they live with. Both sides of the debate could say the same thing about the other.

But. I disagree with this statement. I don't think that other women being different "makes things harder" for other women. After-all... aren't we all different from each other? This is sort of like saying "Women who are willing to dress nice for their husbands make is so hard on us women who won't take off the sweatpants"...

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 07:21 PM
The same could be said of women who think careers and splitting bills are more important than being able to spend time with their husbands/boyfriends/whoever the fuck they live with. Both sides of the debate could say the same thing about the other.

But. I disagree with this statement. I don't think that other women being different "makes things harder" for other women. After-all... aren't we all different from each other? This is sort of like saying "Women who are willing to dress nice for their husbands make is so hard on us women who won't take off the sweatpants"...

But it's not the same because women I'm talking about use men. Besides, so what if a woman has a career and spends less time with a guy? I wouldn't expect a man to quit his career to cater to me, yet many seem to think this is fine if a woman does it. The fact is when women act a certain way (whatever way that is) does affect other women. Because many women sleep around with guys from online dating, many of those guys assume ALL woman do.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 08:29 PM
Also, the phrase "a real man" when it's followed by all sorts of pronouncements about financial responsibility makes my skin crawl.

The whole comments about guys being moochers and not working hard because they don't make a lot of money makes me want to throw a shoe at my monitor. I absolutely hate these comments because it shows a lot of immaturity. I say that because there was a time where I rejected guys who didn't make a lot of money. Several years ago I was a white collar worker who only wanted to date white collar men. I rejected other guys because I didn't want to "support" them. In the long run I lost my white collar job and so did many other people I knew so many of those who made a great wage don't anymore. Made me realize money wasn't everything. That you can be the smartest person on the planet but can still lose your job. I'm curious what these same people would say if their man lost his job and couldn't find a job. Would they leave him?

laurcon
10-06-2010, 09:47 PM
I posted this on the blue side, just wanna see what some guys have to say on it. :)

HERE (http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?p=1993083#post1993083)

This makes me uncomfortable. Although sadly, guys can read our posts here, I don't think we should encourage it at all. :-[

You could have made a new thread talking about the topic, without linking them to our all our answers that we had hoped were just between women. This will surely be thrown in many of our faces in the future, awesome.

GrlWithTheMost
10-06-2010, 10:00 PM
I dance and make $500+ regularly and I do not perform extras. I will be graduating with a neurodiagnostic tech. degree and take a major paycut, which is why I will continue to dance. Im SO sick of hearing about "loosing jobs because of the economy" BS.......

Elvia
10-06-2010, 10:01 PM
I'm sorry if I have misinterpreted your remarks, JD.

Elvia
10-06-2010, 10:02 PM
I dance and make $500+ regularly and I do not perform extras. I will be graduating with a neurodiagnostic tech. degree and take a major paycut, which is why I will continue to dance. Im SO sick of hearing about "loosing jobs because of the economy" BS.......

Well pin a rose on your nose then... If you're doing fine then I guess there's no economic crisis after all...::)

Elvia
10-06-2010, 10:04 PM
This makes me uncomfortable. Although sadly, guys can read our posts here, I don't think we should encourage it at all. :-[

You could have made a new thread talking about the topic, without linking them to our all our answers that we had hoped were just between women. This will surely be thrown in many of our faces in the future, awesome.


Agreed. I thought there was a rule against guys starting threads to discuss threads in ladies only. If that's the case then I really don't think ladies should be doing that either. There's a reason people post threads in ladies only, you know.

GrlWithTheMost
10-06-2010, 10:09 PM
Well pin a rose on your nose then... If you're doing fine then I guess there's no economic crisis after all...::)


Thanks!!! I deserve that rose like I deserve to be taken care of I guess!!!:-*

The comment was intended for Kellydancer who claims "only extras girls makes $500+ in "this economy"".

Theres tons you can do to make money: Childcare, topless maid, private parties, camming, ETC ETC ETC.. Im just so sick of hearing about the "bad economy" excuse

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 10:22 PM
Thanks!!! I deserve that rose like I deserve to be taken care of I guess!!!:-*

The comment was intended for Kellydancer who claims "only extras girls makes $500+ in "this economy"".

Theres tons you can do to make money: Childcare, topless maid, private parties, camming, ETC ETC ETC.. Im just so sick of hearing about the "bad economy" excuse

I was talking about the fact that other jobs (there are other jobs besides the sex industry) aren't hiring. I can't find a job and it's NOT my fault. As for my comments I said MANY of the dancers making $500 are extras girls. I'm going by what other dancers have posted about. If the economy is so great then why are so many unemployed? Or are you going to tell all of them to go dance and make $500, including older people and men?

noelle
10-06-2010, 11:04 PM
Women that choose not to work are just lazy but that's another topic.


I'm not going to get into it, but yes many women I've known who gave up careers to stay at home were lazy. Does it mean most in general are lazy? I hope not but the ones I know were somewhat wealthy and they spend their whole day shopping and and working out while the nanny and the housekeeper takes care of everything.

You said women who choose not to work are lazy, then you said they aren't all lazy. Which is it? You made an incredibly offensive generalization and then contradicted it.

How is it positive to say housewives are lazy? How is it ANY different than saying women should not work outside the home? It's wrong to tell women what is and is not appropriate for them to do. Period. That's what feminism is about: choice.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 11:08 PM
You said women who choose not to work are lazy, then you said they aren't all lazy. Which is it? You made an incredibly offensive generalization and then contradicted it.

How is it positive to say housewives are lazy? How is it ANY different than saying women should not work outside the home? It's wrong to tell women what is and is not appropriate for them to do. Period. That's what feminism is about: choice.

I was talking about the women I know. They ARE lazy. They have housekeepers and nannies. They are lazy and when I said other housewives aren't lazy I was talking about the other group. I say that in that post but for some reason you decided not to quote it to make it look like I was saying all housewives are lazy.

I stand by what I said. Women who shop all day and workout but are "housewives" are lazy and moochers. Not all women who stay at home are lazy.

DesuvsDeath
10-06-2010, 11:48 PM
Besides, so what if a woman has a career and spends less time with a guy? I wouldn't expect a man to quit his career to cater to me, yet many seem to think this is fine if a woman does it.
It's a personal thing, really.

I just wouldn't want to live with a man who would be comfortable with me spending that much additional time away from him when it wasn't necessary.
It's not like it's not that big a deal... even if your work schedules are only an hour apart... it adds up. I'd rather have the extra 20+ days a year (2 hours a day, 5 days a week) to spend together and stay home.

For me, personally, I wouldn't live with someone who wasn't more important to me than a job/career... and I sure the fuck would not spend all my time away from home so I could split the rent because he doesn't want to pay it himself.

(Side note - I should point out that I don't NOT work... I work from home. ;P But he still pays for everything.)

I'm not even saying women shouldn't work... was just pointing out that it's silly to have a problem with a group of women for "making things hard on you" unless you're going to hate ALL women... because there are always going to be women who make men expect something different than you do it.

Kellydancer
10-06-2010, 11:53 PM
It's a personal thing, really.

I just wouldn't want to live with a man who would be comfortable with me spending that much additional time away from him when it wasn't necessary.
It's not like it's not that big a deal... even if your work schedules are only an hour apart... it adds up. I'd rather have the extra 20+ days a year (2 hours a day, 5 days a week) to spend together and stay home.

For me, personally, I wouldn't live with someone who wasn't more important to me than a job/career... and I sure the fuck would not spend all my time away from home so I could split the rent.

I didn't say a career should be more important, just that it should be part of a person's life. I was working a daytime job and he was and we saw each other after work. No big deal at all. Then I would spend an hour after work working out or doing other things because to me a relationships isn't the only important thing in someone's life. Even if someone doesn't have a job they still need time away from their SO.

Jessie_tinydancer
10-06-2010, 11:55 PM
Any man that can't provide for me 100% is not the kind of man that I'm going to be attracted to. What a man does for a living, how successful he is and how good he is with money says a LOT about him. If he can't afford to provide for me then he isn't very successful. And if he could afford to provide for me but wouldn't....RED FLAG. Nothing would have me running for the door faster.

Note: I'm not saying money is the only form of success, but it's the kind that I'm attracted to.

Im curious as to what kind of income you would consider successful and enough to provide for you?


Below is not directly aimed at you Z... discussion in general.

I guess this just seems so foreign to me because with recent raises my hubby and my combined income sits around $220K. So in order for him to "provide for me" (meaning I was free to quit working should I wish) a guys salary would need to match that as a sole income. $220K is definitely achievable as a sole income and more. But I couldnt imagine not being attracted to someone based on income within reason. There are a few guys in my course - we are becoming veterinarians. Most of us will never make more than $100K/year - so does that mean the guys in my class cannot be providers or "successful" even though they are going to be doctors helping kittens and puppies??? :O

My dad made much much less than $100K and was the sole provider for my family (4 kids) for about a decade. He does not have a good job but he is a hard worker. Often working 16+ hour shifts. I would definitely consider him a "provider" however, if I was married to someone like him, it would be not enough money to support my lifestyle. But I would marry a man like him because of his family values and support in all aspects to his family. I would just supplement my lifestyle with my own money.

I love having my own money, my own career, my own goals, my own friends. I am very independent even though I am married. And I love the fact that one day my mail is going to read:

Dr. and Mr. XXXXXXX

I love that if I am not happy in my relationship I can leave tomorrow. And my husband is the same. He does not need me to survive financially. My only problem is who would get the kids? (our shih tzus) hehe

DesuvsDeath
10-07-2010, 12:04 AM
I didn't say a career should be more important, just that it should be part of a person's life. I was working a daytime job and he was and we saw each other after work. No big deal at all. Then I would spend an hour after work working out or doing other things because to me a relationships isn't the only important thing in someone's life. Even if someone doesn't have a job they still need time away from their SO.
If someone doesn't have a job... they GET plenty of time away from their SO. :P

I don't think a relationship should be the only important thing in someone's life... but I think you should be important enough to each other that you don't spend all your time apart working so you can split bills because your man isn't willing to just pay them.