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firemaiden04
10-14-2010, 10:44 AM
To me it is so unbelievable that 76% of Americans are Christian. I live in Miami, where it seems most Christians are non-praciticing and there is a large and thriving Jewish community.

I have also lived in Boston, where I would have guessed that it was about 50% Christian with a large number of Jewish people (again, a large Jewish Communityy) and also many atheists (which seems to happen in places where people are the most educated).

I guess in the cities I have lived in, yes there are many Christians but they don't practice anything besides Christmas, and many of them don't live the typical "good Christian" lifestyle.

It seems the most religious people I have lived around are the Jewish people who actually practice their religion.

I also wanted to add there are many Americans who will say their beliefs are "I don't know what I believe but I believe in some kind of God" and this has shown to be a perdominantly American phenomenom. It is almost like the person who feels this was is an Atheist but is full of guilt for being that way subconciously.

I agree with this. Growing up in Arkansas, I was the only kid in my class who wasn't Christian. They were all practicing Christians (or at least, their parents dragged them to church three times a week). There were rarely any school events on Wednesday nights, as everyone had to go to church. But moving to New York, I realized how few "Christians" in this country actually practice. Everyone up here is Catholic, but I have NEVER seen a practicing Catholic. They all get confirmed in high school so they get the confirmation money, and then they never set foot in a church again. Except for weddings, funerals, and maybe Christmas or Easter. I consider myself a "practicing" Pagan, as I do observe holidays and have rituals somewhat regularly. I have an altar in my room. But I am a "solitary practitioner," which means I do not belong to any type of coven or organization. I create my own religious traditions, I plan my own rituals on holidays, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I think a lot of people who "belong" to a church or denomination identify themselves as "Christian," when in reality they live a totally secular lifestyle and never actually attend religious worship. They kind of passively believe in it, but are not actually educated about what they identify as their personal beliefs. The most religiously devout people I've seen were Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and various types of Pagan. A lot of "Christians" I've known say they believe in God, but it isn't really the same God that is in the Bible. It's just a higher being they believe in and sometimes passively pray to, and they associate that with Christianity. Because apparently, none of the other major religions in the world have anything remotely similar ::)

I think people feel a need to belong, however passively, to a group as a whole. I do not believe in organized religion, because it leads to all sorts of terrible things. I wish other people had the courage to say that they have their own beliefs without having to conform.

Kellydancer
10-14-2010, 11:19 AM
I agree with this. Growing up in Arkansas, I was the only kid in my class who wasn't Christian. They were all practicing Christians (or at least, their parents dragged them to church three times a week). There were rarely any school events on Wednesday nights, as everyone had to go to church. But moving to New York, I realized how few "Christians" in this country actually practice. Everyone up here is Catholic, but I have NEVER seen a practicing Catholic. They all get confirmed in high school so they get the confirmation money, and then they never set foot in a church again. Except for weddings, funerals, and maybe Christmas or Easter. I consider myself a "practicing" Pagan, as I do observe holidays and have rituals somewhat regularly. I have an altar in my room. But I am a "solitary practitioner," which means I do not belong to any type of coven or organization. I create my own religious traditions, I plan my own rituals on holidays, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I think a lot of people who "belong" to a church or denomination identify themselves as "Christian," when in reality they live a totally secular lifestyle and never actually attend religious worship. They kind of passively believe in it, but are not actually educated about what they identify as their personal beliefs. The most religiously devout people I've seen were Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and various types of Pagan. A lot of "Christians" I've known say they believe in God, but it isn't really the same God that is in the Bible. It's just a higher being they believe in and sometimes passively pray to, and they associate that with Christianity. Because apparently, none of the other major religions in the world have anything remotely similar ::)

I think people feel a need to belong, however passively, to a group as a whole. I do not believe in organized religion, because it leads to all sorts of terrible things. I wish other people had the courage to say that they have their own beliefs without having to conform.

From what I've heard is that many people are returning to church because of all the bad things happening in the world. I know for example the Catholic Church has created a website for returning Catholics. I have started going to church again as well as taking classes to be confirmed (I have been baptized and made communion) and there are people in the class that are converting from other religions. The priest has said that part of the problem right now with the church is the whole "carry, marry, bury" situation, that is to say many people only set foot in the church to be baptized as babies, to marry (which requires baptism, communion and confirmation) and funerals.

I actually believe part of the problem the church is having is because of the people strictly raised in it. The guy I want to be with comes from a devout Catholic family (his parents are Italian immigrants) and he attended Catholic schools and attended church every week. My parents are much less devout (my dad isn't even Catholic) and I never attended Catholic school, though I did join the Catholic teen group when I was a teen and attended a Catholic college for a semester. I've noticed that many of the people I know who attend church weekly don't come from devout families but rather became religious as they got older.

Elvia
10-14-2010, 12:33 PM
Only in America huh? You might want to check out other countries babe. You will be shocked and amazed. America is all hype. There are OTHER countries that are much more free than America .. you just dont hear about them because America has convinced themselves that they re the best.



So if a cultural trait is shared by more than one culture it can no longer be considered a valid cultural trait? And she didn't say anything about America being "land of the free" so I don't know why you're bringing up freedoms of other countries...

Elvia
10-14-2010, 12:38 PM
I've always been curious about that... it's still considered your children participating in another religion's practices? I mean... "Christmas" parties at school (at least when I was a kid) don't actually involve any relgious practices and most of were labeled "Holiday" parties and were more cookies, punch and 'paper cut out snowflakes' than Santa or x-mas...

Yes, not participating in Christian practices (even on a shallow level with no religious teachings) is a big deal to Jews. It's because there's a very long painful history of Jews being forced to convert and go through the motions of being Christians. A "holiday" party would be fine as long as it wasn't truly Christmas themed. That's what I always had growing up at my schools, a "winter break" party. snowflakes, food, a non-holiday related kids movie...It just seems like a much better plan to me than having to divide the kids and make a point of religious differences.

KaylaM
10-14-2010, 02:28 PM
So if a cultural trait is shared by more than one culture it can no longer be considered a valid cultural trait? And she didn't say anything about America being "land of the free" so I don't know why you're bringing up freedoms of other countries...

....what's the point. ... *sigh*

DesuvsDeath
10-14-2010, 03:08 PM
Yes, not participating in Christian practices (even on a shallow level with no religious teachings) is a big deal to Jews. It's because there's a very long painful history of Jews being forced to convert and go through the motions of being Christians. A "holiday" party would be fine as long as it wasn't truly Christmas themed. That's what I always had growing up at my schools, a "winter break" party. snowflakes, food, a non-holiday related kids movie...It just seems like a much better plan to me than having to divide the kids and make a point of religious differences.
Thanks for answering. :) I've wondered about that for a while... I'd just never actually had the chance to ask.

princessjas
10-14-2010, 06:28 PM
So if a cultural trait is shared by more than one culture it can no longer be considered a valid cultural trait? And she didn't say anything about America being "land of the free" so I don't know why you're bringing up freedoms of other countries...

I was confused by her post as well. I wasn't saying America is the best or the only country with those traits....I was simply listing what is American culture. I have no clue why but denying that America has any culture or defining traits seems to be a trend among those not from this country....but to me it is absurd to try to claim that after more than 10 generations we have adopted no culture.

Also, I can't get over my issue with prejudice. I lived with a man who was half African for years and the things that were said.....God, I could damn near explode thinking about it. I might talk about his lack of work ethic on here, but I loved him with every fiber of my being and he was and I'm sure still is an amazing human being. Jeezus, I don't know what else to say, I've typed about a zillion things and deleted them. I get so angry that I shake all over when I think about some of that garbage! I remember him singing to me to put me to sleep, staying up all night to make sure I was breathing well when I had the flu, playing with his nieces and nephews, etc.....how could someone knowingly hurt a person like that and why wouldn't I want to run over them with my car if they did so?

Kellydancer
10-14-2010, 08:59 PM
I was confused by her post as well. I wasn't saying America is the best or the only country with those traits....I was simply listing what is American culture. I have no clue why but denying that America has any culture or defining traits seems to be a trend among those not from this country....but to me it is absurd to try to claim that after more than 10 generations we have adopted no culture.

Also, I can't get over my issue with prejudice. I lived with a man who was half African for years and the things that were said.....God, I could damn near explode thinking about it. I might talk about his lack of work ethic on here, but I loved him with every fiber of my being and he was and I'm sure still is an amazing human being. Jeezus, I don't know what else to say, I've typed about a zillion things and deleted them. I get so angry that I shake all over when I think about some of that garbage! I remember him singing to me to put me to sleep, staying up all night to make sure I was breathing well when I had the flu, playing with his nieces and nephews, etc.....how could someone knowingly hurt a person like that and why wouldn't I want to run over them with my car if they did so?

For some reason it's become cool to bash American culture and while I have many issues with it, I also have issues with people from other countries attacking it. In grad school I had this terrible professor who would talk about how terrible America was and how great Nigeria is (his home country). This is when his "great country" was executing a writer for different views. My classmates would often tell him if Americans were so stupid (he would always say this) then he could go back to Nigeria. Instead he came here and likely took a job from an American professor because he would work cheaper, at a public university (meaning taxpayers paid his salary).

firemaiden04
10-14-2010, 10:03 PM
^ I think on the other side of things, a lot of Americans tend to run their mouths about how this is the greatest nation on earth when they are TOTALLY ignorant about other countries.

rubyredlipsss
10-14-2010, 10:18 PM
^so true. i don't think kayla was bashing american culture...i think she, as well as i, were both interested in what american culture definitively is. i find it hard to define american culture considering all the variances we have across the us. i'm a born and raised californian and sometimes i feel that the area i'm from has it's own distinct culture. there are, of course, stereotypes but i don't consider those defining distinctions of culture. i understand kayla's point about the lack of culture in the states. from my own perspective, i come from a family that still holds to a lot of culture from where my family is from...and when you compare a country that has a strong distinct culture and certain cultural standards, you start to realize americans really are a mix of many things which makes it difficult to define, imo

firemaiden04
10-14-2010, 10:23 PM
I also can't really blame immigrants for having a view of America that isn't 100% positive. Americans treat immigrants like SHIT.

princessjas
10-14-2010, 10:51 PM
^so true. i don't think kayla was bashing american culture...i think she, as well as i, were both interested in what american culture definitively is. i find it hard to define american culture considering all the variances we have across the us. i'm a born and raised californian and sometimes i feel that the area i'm from has it's own distinct culture. there are, of course, stereotypes but i don't consider those defining distinctions of culture. i understand kayla's point about the lack of culture in the states. from my own perspective, i come from a family that still holds to a lot of culture from where my family is from...and when you compare a country that has a strong distinct culture and certain cultural standards, you start to realize americans really are a mix of many things which makes it difficult to define, imo

It may be hard to define and it may differ from coast to coast but saying it doesn't exist doesn't make it so. I am 3rd generation Irish, but I'm American through and through. I own it, I walk the walk, etc. I loved my grandmas lilt, but I didn't pick it up. ;)

princessjas
10-14-2010, 10:56 PM
^ I think on the other side of things, a lot of Americans tend to run their mouths about how this is the greatest nation on earth when they are TOTALLY ignorant about other countries.

We are totally ignorant, but since when do we run our mouths about being awesome? I have yet to hear this.

Kellydancer
10-14-2010, 10:57 PM
I also can't really blame immigrants for having a view of America that isn't 100% positive. Americans treat immigrants like SHIT.

I wouldn't say that was true across the board. I do resent certain groups coming here either to take our jobs or our welfare, but outside of that I don't really resent immigrants trying to make this their new home. This is a country of immigrants but previous immigrants learned English, worked hard and became Americanized while keeping their culture. Meanwhile their kids were American. Many (not all) recent immigrants aren't that way. Many come to freeload, don't bother learning English and don't want to accept our way of doing things. For instance I've heard cases of immigrants from Africa (I think it was Africa but can be wrong) who were trying to allow female circumcision in various places because it was "their culture", or the various "honor killings" I've heard of. Yes these are rare instances but it still disturbs me. I'm not going to say USA is the greatest country because it's not (I get disgusted by the stupid and fat people that are everywhere) but these countries aren't great either.

princessjas
10-14-2010, 11:02 PM
I also can't really blame immigrants for having a view of America that isn't 100% positive. Americans treat immigrants like SHIT.

Hmm? I treat them like their ass is golden while they scream at me for not knowing Punjabi or what-have you. I see this all the time.....where in the world is this mistreatment happening?

DesuvsDeath
10-14-2010, 11:18 PM
^ I think on the other side of things, a lot of Americans tend to run their mouths about how this is the greatest nation on earth when they are TOTALLY ignorant about other countries.
On the other hand... I wonder if part of the reasons Americans run their mouths about how great this country is because other countries say such poor things about the US...
Sort of a... if someone bashes your mom... your mom is now the greatest mom alive and way better than anyone else's mom could ever be... type of reflex?
Lol. That sounds like such a silly comparison... but I think in some cases... that may be the truth. Just people being over-defensive about things.

princessjas
10-14-2010, 11:27 PM
^ I think on the other side of things, a lot of Americans tend to run their mouths about how this is the greatest nation on earth when they are TOTALLY ignorant about other countries.

I guess this is regional as I've never heard it. Ignorant, I'll own, arrogant is a mystery to me however. I know when I lived up your way the people were much more vocal tho.

princessjas
10-14-2010, 11:41 PM
Ha! Those same racists are the same racists that pay $500 an hour to sleep with me. I also dO. not. have a problem with the N word. It does not move me. You can call me a Nigger all day I wouldnt give a damn. I came to america in 96..I didnt come here on a slave ship. My father came here to get his airline licensed to fly in the states and so we can have an education. I laugh when black Americans get all worked up over the N word its so fucking stupid to me but tell them they came from africa and its "Oh hell nah I aint been thurr. I ain't ever been to africa." Ugh!! So urking and super ignorant!

I lived in Greenville SC for 8 years and never experienced racism. I actually started experiencing racism when I moved to Charlotte. I have also went on business trips, dinners, fucked well known racists... as long as they were paying me I didn't give a damn. People take the racist thing too seriously. We have a black president now. Being racist is played out! Guess what.. those hardcore racist men you know or hear about? They really dream of being with an ebony goddess at night. I'm just banking off of it!

:wave: got a hot date!

This is just fucking weird. Greenville? My aunt and cuz's lived there forever!!

rubyredlipsss
10-14-2010, 11:46 PM
i'm not in anyway trying to say it doesn't exist...i was just genuinely interested in what others thought defined american culture since i felt with so many disconnectedness between many parts of the country, it honestly seemed difficult to put in words an overview of american culture. i have quite a few european friends who ask me the same thing...to which the only response that i can come up with is that there's so many different parts of the country that it's difficult to explain. so yeah, i do sum up what life is like for me but make it known that it's different in regards to other regions (and i don't know that much about culture across the us considering i've lived either only in ca or european countries, so i always openly admit that). i guess the diversity of our country is a defining point in our culture. the reason i say this (and part is because this question of what american culture really is has got me thinking) is because my experience of living in other countries (and they were developed nations) were more exclusive about their white-euro culture.

KaylaM
10-15-2010, 12:11 AM
This is just fucking weird. Greenville? My aunt and cuz's lived there forever!!

Hahaha yes! Greenville is so small it's sickening! We lived in a town called "Mauldin". We also lived there forever.

firemaiden04
10-15-2010, 08:17 AM
I guess this is regional as I've never heard it. Ignorant, I'll own, arrogant is a mystery to me however. I know when I lived up your way the people were much more vocal tho.

It must be regional, cause I've DEFINITELY never heard what you've described it's like in fast food restaurants: immigrants screaming at customers for not speaking their language. I've never once in my entire life even heard of this happening. Where I live, and where I grew up in the South, people can't tell the difference between someone from Mexico, someone from Brazil, someone from India, and someone from Afghanistan. They're all just "brown," and therefore they're all trashy immigrants and stealing American jobs and don't speak English and should go back to their own fucking country, etc. These same people talk about how America is the greatest country in the world, and if you don't wear your little American flag pin or have the American flag hanging outside your house every day, you're not a real American patriot and you should get the fuck out. It's a lot of the same people who are now in with that nutjob Tea Party movement.

Example: when I went to high school in Arkansas, a couple of days after 9/11 we had a teacher (a teacher!!!) start yelling at this American-born Indian kid named Vivek in our class, saying he should be ashamed for what his people did to the twin towers. We tried to explain that Vivek wasn't Afghani, he was Indian; he wasn't Muslim, he was Hindu; and he was born here, not an immigrant. And she was like, "What's the difference? Everyone from that part of the world is a terrorist and needs to leave this country before they kill more people." There was an inquiry into the situation cause Vivek's parents rightfully flipped. And guess what? That woman still teaches at that school.

Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 10:56 AM
It must be regional, cause I've DEFINITELY never heard what you've described it's like in fast food restaurants: immigrants screaming at customers for not speaking their language. I've never once in my entire life even heard of this happening. Where I live, and where I grew up in the South, people can't tell the difference between someone from Mexico, someone from Brazil, someone from India, and someone from Afghanistan. They're all just "brown," and therefore they're all trashy immigrants and stealing American jobs and don't speak English and should go back to their own fucking country, etc. These same people talk about how America is the greatest country in the world, and if you don't wear your little American flag pin or have the American flag hanging outside your house every day, you're not a real American patriot and you should get the fuck out. It's a lot of the same people who are now in with that nutjob Tea Party movement.

Example: when I went to high school in Arkansas, a couple of days after 9/11 we had a teacher (a teacher!!!) start yelling at this American-born Indian kid named Vivek in our class, saying he should be ashamed for what his people did to the twin towers. We tried to explain that Vivek wasn't Afghani, he was Indian; he wasn't Muslim, he was Hindu; and he was born here, not an immigrant. And she was like, "What's the difference? Everyone from that part of the world is a terrorist and needs to leave this country before they kill more people." There was an inquiry into the situation cause Vivek's parents rightfully flipped. And guess what? That woman still teaches at that school.

Those cases are sad but I haven't heard of many like those here. I know there was big controversy over a mosque that opened about a half hour from me but nothing about the Muslims. However I have experienced what Princessjas has mentioned. I've been screamed at by people because I didn't speak their language. In other cases people have expected me to speak THEIR language because I actually did know it (Spanish in this case). You would not believe all the times people wanted me to speak Spanish or Polish (I know a little because my maternal grandmother is Polish though born here) because "no speak English". I get that it's hard for immigrants in SOME cases. I often wonder how hard my paternal grandmother had it even though she spoke English already (was from London England) and was white.

KS_Stevia
10-15-2010, 05:42 PM
I stand by what I said. Women who shop all day and workout but are "housewives" are lazy and moochers. Not all women who stay at home are lazy.

Wow. I love my job and am doing very well in this economy. But the above scenario sounds like a dream given I was financially independent and had my own money socked away and a cool partner I got along with. If a person doesn't HAVE to work, why should they? She can do volunteer work, start up a non-profit help people out, etc.

If I won the lottery or found an incredibly wealthy, super wonderful and generous mater, I sure as hell wouldn't be working my job. I'd be shopping and taking yoga and volunteering. Hells yeah.

That being said, I don't believe a man should pay all the bills by virtue of him being a man. But I wouldn't complain if he did, lol...assuming that he would not become controlling.

KS_Stevia
10-15-2010, 06:57 PM
I have always said this and I will say it again: A man is the head of the household. LET THE MAN BE THE MAN. To those of you supporting your man GREAT! Just know he's not a man he's a bitch! Sure keep telling yourself that the economy's bad and he'll find a job soon... umm if he hasn't found one by now and he's been a couch potato for the last 3 months... keep dreaming. You are enabling him. You're not bringing out the best in him. I will be there for my man if he REALLY needed me to be but for me to pay the bills when HE'S living under the same roof? C'mon .. alot of you seriously need a reality check. A man will do what you allow him to. Don't forget that.

Yo, are a lot of you girls borderline personality disordered or something? Why does it all have to be black or white, all or nothing? "Let the man be the man" is simpleton talk and thinking. Life is far more nuanced than that.

For those of us who don't believe that a man absolutely MUST provide for everything to be a real man, it doesn't mean any of us are dating unemployed loser bitches. It can mean a variety of different situations.

Personally I would love to have a partner with the money to take care of both of us. But no way will I ever rely on that money because I have worked in finance and have seen men do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to hide their assets from their wives during divorce to ensure she and the children get absolutely nothing. Its disguisting.

Anyway, I am going to keep reading this thread, its fascinating.

laurcon
10-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Those cases are sad but I haven't heard of many like those here. I know there was big controversy over a mosque that opened about a half hour from me but nothing about the Muslims. However I have experienced what Princessjas has mentioned. I've been screamed at by people because I didn't speak their language. In other cases people have expected me to speak THEIR language because I actually did know it (Spanish in this case). You would not believe all the times people wanted me to speak Spanish or Polish (I know a little because my maternal grandmother is Polish though born here) because "no speak English". I get that it's hard for immigrants in SOME cases. I often wonder how hard my paternal grandmother had it even though she spoke English already (was from London England) and was white.

This is a country of immigrants. English is not our official language, we don't have one. I don't understand the problem. And I missed what this has to do with guys paying rent, but I'm sure the connection's there.

bambiblue
10-15-2010, 08:14 PM
I would rather pay my own bills than depend on a man...

Nuclear Martini
10-15-2010, 09:22 PM
It must be regional, cause I've DEFINITELY never heard what you've described it's like in fast food restaurants: immigrants screaming at customers for not speaking their language. I've never once in my entire life even heard of this happening. Where I live, and where I grew up in the South, people can't tell the difference between someone from Mexico, someone from Brazil, someone from India, and someone from Afghanistan. They're all just "brown," and therefore they're all trashy immigrants and stealing American jobs and don't speak English and should go back to their own fucking country, etc. These same people talk about how America is the greatest country in the world, and if you don't wear your little American flag pin or have the American flag hanging outside your house every day, you're not a real American patriot and you should get the fuck out. It's a lot of the same people who are now in with that nutjob Tea Party movement.

Example: when I went to high school in Arkansas, a couple of days after 9/11 we had a teacher (a teacher!!!) start yelling at this American-born Indian kid named Vivek in our class, saying he should be ashamed for what his people did to the twin towers. We tried to explain that Vivek wasn't Afghani, he was Indian; he wasn't Muslim, he was Hindu; and he was born here, not an immigrant. And she was like, "What's the difference? Everyone from that part of the world is a terrorist and needs to leave this country before they kill more people." There was an inquiry into the situation cause Vivek's parents rightfully flipped. And guess what? That woman still teaches at that school.


Wow, poor kid... that teacher should have been fired that day!!
Also, I live in a city full of recent immigrants (Miami) and none of them are any bit more rude than the Americans that live here! Maybe if you feel like these immigrants are so rude and trying to take over the country you should look at yourself first and the way you carry yourself and speak to others.

Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 09:26 PM
Wow. I love my job and am doing very well in this economy. But the above scenario sounds like a dream given I was financially independent and had my own money socked away and a cool partner I got along with. If a person doesn't HAVE to work, why should they? She can do volunteer work, start up a non-profit help people out, etc.

If I won the lottery or found an incredibly wealthy, super wonderful and generous mater, I sure as hell wouldn't be working my job. I'd be shopping and taking yoga and volunteering. Hells yeah.

That being said, I don't believe a man should pay all the bills by virtue of him being a man. But I wouldn't complain if he did, lol...assuming that he would not become controlling.

I guess it would be a fun way to live in a way. What I don't mention is a few of these women have cheating husbands. This will be interesting because I wonder what might happen in the future.

Nuclear Martini
10-15-2010, 09:29 PM
I agree with this. Growing up in Arkansas, I was the only kid in my class who wasn't Christian. They were all practicing Christians (or at least, their parents dragged them to church three times a week). There were rarely any school events on Wednesday nights, as everyone had to go to church. But moving to New York, I realized how few "Christians" in this country actually practice. Everyone up here is Catholic, but I have NEVER seen a practicing Catholic. They all get confirmed in high school so they get the confirmation money, and then they never set foot in a church again. Except for weddings, funerals, and maybe Christmas or Easter. I consider myself a "practicing" Pagan, as I do observe holidays and have rituals somewhat regularly. I have an altar in my room. But I am a "solitary practitioner," which means I do not belong to any type of coven or organization. I create my own religious traditions, I plan my own rituals on holidays, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

I think a lot of people who "belong" to a church or denomination identify themselves as "Christian," when in reality they live a totally secular lifestyle and never actually attend religious worship. They kind of passively believe in it, but are not actually educated about what they identify as their personal beliefs. The most religiously devout people I've seen were Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, and various types of Pagan. A lot of "Christians" I've known say they believe in God, but it isn't really the same God that is in the Bible. It's just a higher being they believe in and sometimes passively pray to, and they associate that with Christianity. Because apparently, none of the other major religions in the world have anything remotely similar ::)

I think people feel a need to belong, however passively, to a group as a whole. I do not believe in organized religion, because it leads to all sorts of terrible things. I wish other people had the courage to say that they have their own beliefs without having to conform.

I agree with a lot of the things you said. Organized religion is overrated. I have been raised Jewish but spent a few years going to Church every Sunday as well. I was confused about my beliefs for a while but I like to mix and dabble with whatever works for me. I agree with Jewish and Buddhist philiosophy, and have studied the Christian religion from an academic POV and have found that it is the religion the contradicts itself the most and it is the only religion where guilt is a reoccuring theme. Its just not for me.

Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 09:33 PM
This is a country of immigrants. English is not our official language, we don't have one. I don't understand the problem. And I missed what this has to do with guys paying rent, but I'm sure the connection's there.

Yes this is a country of immigrants but it doesn't mean that people should come here to sponge off our system, steal our jobs, or not learn the language. Otherwise they are welcome here.

Nuclear Martini
10-15-2010, 09:40 PM
Yes this is a country of immigrants but it doesn't mean that people should come here to sponge off our system, steal our jobs, or not learn the language. Otherwise they are welcome here.

The things you're mentioning should be stopped or controlled in some way but it is misinformed to think the majority of new immigrants do this. The truth is most immigrants DON'T fall into this category and most of them DO contribute positivley to the economy by working long hours, starting their own businesses, and/or getting an education here.

I can actually start listing people I know that have moved to the US in the past five years from South America who are pursuing degrees, running successful businesses that cater to imigrants and non-imigrants alike, and work their asses off for other people. I cannot name one person who falls into the small group you mentioned above.

KaylaM
10-15-2010, 11:26 PM
Yo, are a lot of you girls borderline personality disordered or something? Why does it all have to be black or white, all or nothing? "Let the man be the man" is simpleton talk and thinking. Life is far more nuanced than that.

For those of us who don't believe that a man absolutely MUST provide for everything to be a real man, it doesn't mean any of us are dating unemployed loser bitches. It can mean a variety of different situations.

Personally I would love to have a partner with the money to take care of both of us. But no way will I ever rely on that money because I have worked in finance and have seen men do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to hide their assets from their wives during divorce to ensure she and the children get absolutely nothing. Its disguisting.

Anyway, I am going to keep reading this thread, its fascinating.

Whats "disgusting" is that fact that you can't read. Go back and read my OTHER posts before you start quoting me. I DO NOT need a man to pay my bills.. OBVIOUSLY. Where I am from it is STANDARD that the man pays the bills and ALL of it. If you think I have a personality disorder because I feel that way being that that's the way I was raised then I am sorry that you're an idiot.

I have money. I. really. can't. complain. However, I do expect whoever I am with to have their own money and take care of me if he decided to move in with me. Do you get it? It's not my idea for him to move in but if he decides that HE wants to move in then he will be footing all the bills. Like Devon said, I don't need a roommate if I did I'd find one on craigslist. Sorry I love my life the way it is. I live in a beautiful home and drive a gorgeous car, my bills are always paid on time every time and I own a very successful business :) I'm not going to split bills with a man that decides to raid my personal space. Everyone is different. Sorry we don't all feel the same way you do.

AND.... You know what, my boyfriend has no problem with this arrangement. In return, I would have to cook , clean and fuck him on the regular but umm... I am NOT ready for all that shit right now. I am not ready for that ROLE! PLUS With him in my personal space I'd feel uncomfy doing what I do for a living. Money first Men later. That's my motto! ;)

Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 11:32 PM
The things you're mentioning should be stopped or controlled in some way but it is misinformed to think the majority of new immigrants do this. The truth is most immigrants DON'T fall into this category and most of them DO contribute positivley to the economy by working long hours, starting their own businesses, and/or getting an education here.

I can actually start listing people I know that have moved to the US in the past five years from South America who are pursuing degrees, running successful businesses that cater to imigrants and non-imigrants alike, and work their asses off for other people. I cannot name one person who falls into the small group you mentioned above.

I never said all do, in fact most don't. However some do and those that do need to be deported. Unfortunately I've seen many who did from working for an immigrant organization.

MarvelGirl
10-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Yes this is a country of immigrants but it doesn't mean that people should come here to sponge off our system, steal our jobs, or not learn the language. Otherwise they are welcome here.

Immigrants do not steal jobs. If an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak english was better qualified for a job that you wanted, you need to set the bar a tad bit higher.

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:19 AM
immigrants do not steal jobs. If an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak english was better qualified for a job that you wanted, you need to set the bar a tad bit higher.

well said!

firemaiden04
10-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Immigrants do not steal jobs. If an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak english was better qualified for a job that you wanted, you need to set the bar a tad bit higher.

Agreed.

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:35 AM
I just love it when ignorant people call other people "ignorant"... Classic!

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 11:35 AM
Immigrants do not steal jobs. If an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak english was better qualified for a job that you wanted, you need to set the bar a tad bit higher.

Actually they do and I'm not talking about illegals. I am talking about H1-B visa holders (mostly Indians) who do come here and work cheaper than Americans. This is stealing a job.

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:36 AM
I also can't really blame immigrants for having a view of America that isn't 100% positive. Americans treat immigrants like SHIT.

well said FM!!!!!


They don't even call us "immigrants" anymore. They call us "Aliens".. LMAO

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:50 AM
Actually they do and I'm not talking about illegals. I am talking about H1-B visa holders (mostly Indians) who do come here and work cheaper than Americans. This is stealing a job.

And what's wrong with this? They're working jobs that AMERICANS don't want. Mexicans for example, They risk their lives to come here everyday why? To give their children a better life! Those people will work for $5 and hour and have a big ass smile on their face. Lots of Americans rather be bums than work for $5 an hour. They rather have 6 kids and live of the government and make stupid excuses like "they can't find work" or "the economy is bad" but they can lay down, fuck and make babies. I have more respect for a Mexican, Indian, African that'll work for $5, $4, $3 an hour than an American that won't do shit but make excuses! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS STEALING JOBS!

MarvelGirl
10-16-2010, 11:51 AM
Actually they do and I'm not talking about illegals. I am talking about H1-B visa holders (mostly Indians) who do come here and work cheaper than Americans. This is stealing a job.

Please explain how they "stole" your job. Did they hit you over the head with a brick when you went to interview? Did they rush into the building, grab the job and dash out?

Accepting less money for a job is not "stealing" it. If you are more qualified than they are and the employer cares about quality, they will hire you. The fact that someone from another country impressed them more and better suited their requirements is your fault not theirs.

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 11:57 AM
And what's wrong with this? They're working jobs that AMERICANS don't want. Mexicans for example, They risk their lives to come here everyday why? To give their children a better life! Those people will work for $5 and hour and have a big ass smile on their face. Lots of Americans rather be bums than work for $5 an hour. They rather have 6 kids and live of the government and make stupid excuses like "they can't find work" or "the economy is bad" but they can lay down, fuck and make babies. I have more respect for a Mexican, Indian, African that'll work for $5, $4, $3 an hour than an American that won't do shit but make excuses! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS STEALING JOBS!

The jobs I am talking about aren't jobs "Americans don't want". They are jobs like computer jobs. These people aren't risking their lives either. I am NOT (as I stressed in the previous post) talking about Mexicans taking jobs that lazy Americans don't want (though I believe that those on welfare should be required to take those jobs).

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:59 AM
The jobs I am talking about aren't jobs "Americans don't want". They are jobs like computer jobs. These people aren't risking their lives either. I am NOT (as I stressed in the previous post) talking about Mexicans taking jobs that lazy Americans don't want (though I believe that those on welfare should be required to take those jobs).

Ok I understand but understand that there is no such thing as a job being stolen from you.

Nuclear Martini
10-16-2010, 03:18 PM
Kelly, I didn't mean illegal immigrants businesses. I was actually refering to my aunt who moved to the US a year ago and is LEGAL and now owns her own bilingual preschool in an upscale area and makes 6 figures a year. Not every immigrant is ilegal and stealing from the system. I find it offensive that you need to keep pointing out negative things about immigrants.

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 04:02 PM
Kelly, I didn't mean illegal immigrants businesses. I was actually refering to my aunt who moved to the US a year ago and is LEGAL and now owns her own bilingual preschool in an upscale area and makes 6 figures a year. Not every immigrant is ilegal and stealing from the system. I find it offensive that you need to keep pointing out negative things about immigrants.

Read what I wrote. I'm not talking about those who make a honest living.

Arialandre
10-16-2010, 05:24 PM
*Whispers* Ummm, as an immigrant myself (as I am origionally from the Caribbean) and as someone born out of wedlock ( my mother was VERY young and pressured into having sex by her older boyfriend which resulted in moi) I am very hurt and offended by these comments of KellyDancers. I really just find this whole thing to be quite tasteless.

KS_Stevia
10-17-2010, 09:54 AM
Malaya/Kalya: I made a mistake about you living with a man. The thread was long. Apologies for that. The rest I stand by 100%. You call everyone stupid and reading impaired. Seems like no one knows anything except for you. Classic BPD symptoms, and a common mental illness amongst sex workers.

I wish you luck.

tempest666
10-17-2010, 10:54 AM
OK, I backtracked a couple of pages and I got a headache. I'm only a couple of generations shy of chilepickers and ditch diggers. One half of my family was living in squalid, rat infested shitholes with no job prospects and famine. They hopped on a boat and crossed the Atlantic to get to America. The other half lived in squalid, rat infested shitholes and hopped a fence plus a river to get here.

Nothing against immigrants, I've brought this up before. I just get annoyed when I go to a place of business and nobody speaks English. Learn a few sentences, even if it's just "I don't speak English".

I've seen people that mooch of of welfare, American and immigrant alike. I don't think that national origin has anything to do with it. I have friends that brag about mooching the system and I have continually voiced my disgust with them.

I think if you're a lousy human being you're a lousy human being, race, creed, skin color aside.

_Avery_
10-17-2010, 11:23 AM
I use to have to take the bus down to the welfare office. Carrying my son and whatever groceries I had to get....
It would piss me off so much when I'd go in there and people were gabbing away on their Blackberries, their nails freshly done, their hair "did", Coach purses....etc....
Then go out and get into their "fancy" cars.

Really?? THAT'S what would really irritate me...

If you can afford all that, then I really think you can afford food and don't really need food stamps or TANF.

I was lucky enough at the time to be qualified for food stamps, but "made too much" to qualify for TANF. At the time, I was grateful for the help...

Really have no idea what this has to do with anything, guess it's just more of a rant than anything....

tempest666
10-17-2010, 11:39 AM
Fuck this shit, y'all are gonna have to read a new thread lol. It'll be in the lounge