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KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:06 PM
Yeah, because I acknowlege that my job of providing a fantasy in a clear fantasy environment does not give me license to manipulate and toy with people whenever I damn well feel like it. I would have thought most adult women were capable of understanding that. Apparently, I might have been wrong.

Honey welcome to the REAL world. I know you would love for everyone to think the way you do .. I would to too BUT fact of the matter is... That'll never happen.

KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:07 PM
^^^ Did I shock you?

Yes you did because you don't know when to Stop and Read. You don't know it all Elvia. You look at everything ONE way and that is Elvia's way.

Elvia
10-19-2010, 08:09 PM
^^^ If you want to perpetuate the ugly stereotype that being a sex worker means being greedy to the point where you have no regard for the feelings or well being of anyone else, you're free to do that. Don't expect the rest of us to have any respect for it.

Yeah, I take a hard stance on this. I don't respect people who don't respect anyone else and care only about doing what's convenient to them no matter who it hurts. I'm kooky like that. No respect for anyone else, don't expect respect to come back your way. Seems simple to me.

Kellydancer
10-19-2010, 08:10 PM
We have the special risk of pregnancy and being out of the workforce for at least 2 years with pregnancy and breastfeeding, sleepless nights, etc. If the guy can't handle taking the slack now then why move in and increase your risk? You wanna know ahead of time that this guys is up to it.

Actually, not true. I know MANY women who took off 6-12 weeks NOT 2 years. No way would I take off 2 years from a job to have kids.

KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:12 PM
^^^ If you want to perpetuate the ugly stereotype that being a sex worker means being greedy to the point where you have no regard for the feelings or well being of everyone else, you're free to do that. Don't expect the rest of us to have any respect for it.

No prob Elvia. That is fine with me.

Elvia
10-19-2010, 08:17 PM
Actually, not true. I know MANY women who took off 6-12 weeks NOT 2 years. No way would I take off 2 years from a job to have kids.

2 years does seem like a long ass time. I don't know how people take that much time off. My mother worked until the day she popped! I don't think I'd want to do that but 2 years out of the work force is probably a luxury most people can't afford.

Kellydancer
10-19-2010, 08:19 PM
If it wasnt on purpose, why string one along with you? You fucked two good guys up; by lying and cheaing. You're all to blame for your lying ways if this a mono-relationship. Its females like you who make good men shit after. That is degrading on so many levels.

This is completely on the mark as is Elvia's comments. Women who think nothing of using men hurt those guys and those guys are never the bad guys who deserve it. Instead they are the nice guys who would make great husbands and because they are screwed over, many never recover and guess who pays? The girl who really love him but he can't commit to because of bitches who use him. It's a vicious evil cycle. Then we wonder why there's a shortage of good men and there's your answer, because they get used by evil women.

And no, dancing and using guys at clubs is not the same thing, contrary to what some have said. In the club the guy comes to use our bodies for their enjoyment and in return we get money. Sure, there are guys who do get hurt by dancers at clubs, but most guys know the scene.

Nuclear Martini
10-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Strippers are the biggest liars ever! Fact.

Is this really necessary? As a dancer, I am offended by this unenlightened comment.

KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:22 PM
We have the special risk of pregnancy and being out of the workforce for at least 2 years with pregnancy and breastfeeding, sleepless nights, etc. If the guy can't handle taking the slack now then why move in and increase your risk? You wanna know ahead of time that this guys is up to it.

Funny.

I was back working 3 weeks after I had my daughter. Thank Goodness for Subway and LOTS of it and a great friend that made sure I went to the gym every morning during my pregnancy. 2 years is a joke.

KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:25 PM
Is this really necessary? As a dancer, I am offended by this unenlightened comment.

Sorry I offended you.. Oops. I hear this from my customers all the time AND the strippers I know personally? Well... I know alot of strippers and I have only met ONE genuine one and I met her here on sw. Strippers are known for telling customers what they want to hear right?

Let's not forget I was ONCE a stripper. :)

Nuclear Martini
10-19-2010, 08:28 PM
That doesn't give you the right to bash strippers on a forum that caters to strippers.

Calling a group of people "The biggest liars", is considered insulting in most parts of the world.

Firewall
10-19-2010, 08:30 PM
I was online when this thread topic started but decided not to post because I knew it was going to get heated. Sheesh.

IMO, whatever effectively suits you and your partner and your relationship together.

Everyone knows there's no right or wrong, but we do love to argue as if there is ;)

KaylaM
10-19-2010, 08:37 PM
That doesn't give you the right to bash strippers on a forum that caters to strippers.

Calling a group of people "The biggest liars", is considered insulting in most parts of the world.

Isn't that the same thing though?

Sorry I was thinking out loud. The last time I checked this was a public and open forum.

I just edited it.. happy now? It's funny strippers can lie and use men for their money (most strippers do) but when someone calls them a liar or user they get upset.

That's like me getting upset for someone saying "Kayla all you do is fuck men for their money.. you fucking whore"...
Really? That IS what I do. I really CAN'T get mad. Honesty is the best policy my dear.

Kisca
10-19-2010, 09:41 PM
I really doubt girls who lie and cheat on men to their advantage get upset for being called "lairs". The ones I knew didn't care for shit for what they were called, since they all sold their souls to the devil by then.

There are girls in the business who dont lie and use men to their money. There is a difference between a male in a relationship with you and a male customer in a SW.

KaylaM
10-20-2010, 12:41 AM
Good point.. though I never compared the two. There is a very big difference but ... lying is lying :)

DesuvsDeath
10-20-2010, 04:47 AM
Actually, not true. I know MANY women who took off 6-12 weeks NOT 2 years. No way would I take off 2 years from a job to have kids.


Funny.

I was back working 3 weeks after I had my daughter. Thank Goodness for Subway and LOTS of it and a great friend that made sure I went to the gym every morning during my pregnancy. 2 years is a joke.

*I'm not saying anything bad about women who get back to working asap here.*
I think in a lot of cases... taking 2 years off is more about the mother wanting to be at home with their baby, raising him/her rather than heading back to work and missing all those 'special moments' and so on and so forth.

KaylaM
10-20-2010, 06:00 AM
*I'm not saying anything bad about women who get back to working asap here.*
I think in a lot of cases... taking 2 years off is more about the mother wanting to be at home with their baby, raising him/her rather than heading back to work and missing all those 'special moments' and so on and so forth.

Lol. ... In a lot of cases taking 2 years off is due to laziness. Just because someone goes back to work in 6 months to a year.. even 2 weeks doesn't mean they're missing the "special moments" or NOT raising him or her properly. When you have a baby the doctor tells you "ok you shouldn't do anything for the next 3-6 weeks including having sex, lifting anything heavy, wearing tampons, excersising ..." He doesn't say take 2 years off that's proper time you'll bond with your baby better." I have never read in ANY article where they said 2 years off was "proper" time after you have a baby.

Where did you get the "alot of cases" from? Do you have a website or book to prove this? Please post the link.

The average woman single or not does NOT take 2 years off after having a baby. Wanna know who takes 2 years off? Someone does not have to work and guess what? That is NOT a very smart thing to do.. It is NOT good for the baby to be home/with mama ALL the time. When the baby starts pushing 1-2 she/he needs to start getting out more , playing with other kids/being active, learning social skills. Babies that are stuck up under their mom/dad take a longer time to advance than babies that are active with other children. This is how and why some babies start talking at an earlier age than others.

I just laid down some facts....

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From my observation: Some women are just LAZY, LAZY, LAZY! That's it.

Even going on maternal leave before the baby is born is a bad idea. Why? You're just wasting days.
It is a different story if you're pregnancy is high risk and for SOME reason you're on bed rest.
If you're able to walk there is no reason you should be bumming around, There is no reason you should
be eating until you blow up like a big ballon and NOT be excersising... I mean really.

I can't tell you what "most" women do because I don't know most women but I will tell you what the women I know did:

My aunt went on maternal leave AFTER the baby was born and returned to work 3 months later.
My sister never went on maternal leave she just followed the doctors orders and didn't do anything for 3 weeks
like I did.


Now it is not about feeling bad.. it is about being reasonable and doing what's best for your baby.
Even now that I am not working a 9-5 I spend wayy too much time with my daughter and it bothers me because I
rather her be in daycare but I start feeling guilty when she starts crying wanting to spend time with me so I give in to it
but let me tell you.. that's bullshit! I will shake it off one day. My daughter is 2 1/2 years old .. It is best that she start learning
at an early age how to be independent and not be so stuck under me. See.. everyone is different. :)

Ooh and one more thing.... Being from Nigeria there is something called Omugwo. Omugwo is when Mom's mom comes to take care of mom and the baby for one year. This is what "most" Nigerians do but I didn't do this.. Just because I've convinced myself that I'm superwoman. Hell there are some people who send their babies to Nigeria for 3 years to follow tradition but for me? Hellz no!


Just to back up what I have just posted.

MarvelGirl
10-20-2010, 09:21 AM
That is NOT a very smart thing to do.. It is NOT good for the baby to be home/with mama ALL the time.

I strongly disagree with you on that. You're entitled to your opinion and if you think daycare was better for YOUR child, that's great. I'm glad you decided to do what you that was best for your child.

I stayed home with my son by choice and because I could. We did not sit at home all day and hide from the world. I've had a few people tell me that being a stay at home mom was stupid and that I was damaging my child. I'm going to tell you, it's really hard to see that as anything but jealousy. I was able to stay home because my husband had a good job and we went to playgroups and classes and had a lot of fun. There's no way anyone's going to convince me that I damaged my son by taking french classes, swimming lessons and spending hours on the playground with him.

If people want to stay home that's great but they need to stop acting like years off of work is a minimum requirement because it's not. At the same time, the moms who go back to work right away really need to get off the asses of the stay at homes.

Yeah, I'm lazy. I'm lazy because I didn't want to go back to work to make less money than a suitable daycare would cost my family. I would have been paying to work and let strangers raise my kid while my husband made more than enough money to support all of us.

That would have been flat out stupid on my part. I'm never going to pay to go to work. That's asinine.