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Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 04:25 PM
Someday I will post photos. I've gotten several pms from many of the males here (you know who you all are and I adore everyone who pmed me) asking for photos. I don't claim to be the hottest dancer ever but am not the ugliest either, it all boils down to preference.

Chili Palmer
10-15-2010, 04:45 PM
Someday I will post photos. I've gotten several pms from many of the males here (you know who you all are and I adore everyone who pmed me) asking for photos.

Gaaaah!

Seriously, is there anything more annoying for a stripper on a stripper-focused site than to be deluged with these types of PL PMs? Are you telling me even with the that the approximate 2 trillion pictures of naked women currently available on the net, you CANNOT live without a picture of someone here, just because you posted in the same thread as her and now feel you have a "relationship"?

I may be one of the biggest assholes on this site, and make no apologies for wanting to keep the Blue side focused on the Blues, but I've never ever bothered a dancer for anything other than her schedule and never will. C'mon dudes! Try not to act like a L'ingest PL to have surfed the net. Leave 'em the fuck alone. If they want to post a pic, they will. Otherwise, respect the privacy. Just basic fucking courtesy. Sheesh.

C (sorry, but for some reason, this just really infuriates me) P

xoAnnaBanana
10-15-2010, 04:58 PM
Someday I will post photos. I've gotten several pms from many of the males here (you know who you all are and I adore everyone who pmed me) asking for photos. I don't claim to be the hottest dancer ever but am not the ugliest either, it all boils down to preference.

Lol this has nothing to do with the thread really but I too have wondered for quite sometime what Kellydancer looks like. Charle61 too. :D

/End my off topic-ness... :-X

FBR
10-15-2010, 06:50 PM
Lol this has nothing to do with the thread really but I too have wondered for quite sometime what Kellydancer looks like. Charle61 too. :D

/End my off topic-ness... :-X

I totally get that. I know I will never the be the recipient but one can hope }:D

I won't get into lecture mode other than to say that customers sending unsolicited PM's to dancers asking for pictures can be problematic.

FBR

princessjas
10-15-2010, 07:09 PM
I totally get that. I know I will never the be the recipient but one can hope }:D

I won't get into lecture mode other than to say that customers sending unsolicited PM's to dancers asking for pictures can be problematic.

FBR

Yep, this is one of the reasons I tend to leave my PM box full 90% of the time.

FBR
10-15-2010, 07:39 PM
Yep, this is one of the reasons I tend to leave my PM box full 90% of the time. Yes a full box is a good thing ;) (couldn't resist)

FBR

princessjas
10-15-2010, 08:06 PM
Yes a full box is a good thing ;) (couldn't resist)

FBR

:rotfl:

Kellydancer
10-15-2010, 09:45 PM
Gaaaah!

Seriously, is there anything more annoying for a stripper on a stripper-focused site than to be deluged with these types of PL PMs? Are you telling me even with the that the approximate 2 trillion pictures of naked women currently available on the net, you CANNOT live without a picture of someone here, just because you posted in the same thread as her and now feel you have a "relationship"?

I may be one of the biggest assholes on this site, and make no apologies for wanting to keep the Blue side focused on the Blues, but I've never ever bothered a dancer for anything other than her schedule and never will. C'mon dudes! Try not to act like a L'ingest PL to have surfed the net. Leave 'em the fuck alone. If they want to post a pic, they will. Otherwise, respect the privacy. Just basic fucking courtesy. Sheesh.

C (sorry, but for some reason, this just really infuriates me) P

I let it roll off my back because there's worse things to worry about. I've had the strangest pms, including ones asking me to dance for bachelor parties and to model. Even though I have been a dancer and a model I prefer not posting my photo because I have pretty much left the industry (still do the party every so often) and am a professional corporate worker.

mr_punk
10-16-2010, 10:26 AM
I won't get into lecture mode other than to say that customers sending unsolicited PM's to dancers asking for pictures can be problematic.LOl..like that would do any good. if it were up to me. i would out all the pic stalkers just on GP. the behavior kinda reminds me of those guys who call up escorts with no intent of making an appointment. instead, they try to get the escort engage in convo long enough to jerk off.

FBR
10-16-2010, 11:21 AM
I let it roll off my back because there's worse things to worry about. I've had the strangest pms, including ones asking me to dance for bachelor parties and to model. Even though I have been a dancer and a model I prefer not posting my photo because I have pretty much left the industry (still do the party every so often) and am a professional corporate worker. Sounds like you are not that worried about it but if it becomes a problem let us know by reporting the PM or messaging a mod. with your concerns. This is a pretty liberal site especially in Blue but we have zero tolerance for unwelcome PMs if they cause discomfort.

FBR

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 11:22 AM
Last time I checked there was such thing as a "Block" option on this site.

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 12:28 PM
Sounds like you are not that worried about it but if it becomes a problem let us know by reporting the PM or messaging a mod. with your concerns. This is a pretty liberal site especially in Blue but we have zero tolerance for unwelcome PMs if they cause discomfort.

FBR

Nah I am not bothered by the pms because a few are pretty funny. I should have posted some of the ones I got from bachelor party services. One of my favorites was a company wanting me to PAY to work for them. Yeah that will happen.

I did just block another poster though because she decided to attack me. Actually if someone had said the things she just did in person I'd beat the crap out of her.

nelly33
10-16-2010, 12:58 PM
To be fair, I read those posts where you ladies attacked EACH OTHER, and your posts end up being childish and waaay off-topic as well. As for punching her in the face if she said some of those things to you, refusing to "accept" children out of wedlock or your views on immigrants would get you punched in the face as well in many places. Personal attacks do nothing but prove how little you can actually argue the topic at hand.

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 01:05 PM
To be fair, I read those posts where you ladies attacked EACH OTHER, and your posts end up being childish and waaay off-topic as well. As for punching her in the face if she said some of those things to you, refusing to "accept" children out of wedlock or your views on immigrants would get you punched in the face as well in many places. Personal attacks do nothing but prove how little you can actually argue the topic at hand.

I should have ignored her first but she decided to attack me personally. I am not against immigrants who come here and work hard. I am against anyone using the system and this is why I am strongly against single parents on welfare. I don't have to accept anything and neither does anyone else. Besides, I didn't bring up my views on single parenthood, she did. What isn't mentioned is that I was kicked out of a singles group because I would never date a guy with kids whether divorced or never married. I don't have to "accept" anyone like this datingwise.

nelly33
10-16-2010, 01:13 PM
You don't have to date anybody you don't want to; having children is a dealbreaker to many people, but I read that you didn't have to accept the children as legitimate people... And it sounded like you were against immigrants who came here and worked hard if they were interested in the same type of job as you.
Also, if single women with children weren't allowed welfare, what happens to all of the children who are suddenly poverty stricken. I don't think anybody with any sense is "for" people on welfare. But some people need it, single mothers as well. I think everybody is against those that abuse the system. But just because they have children they should be excluded? Or are you against welfare altogether? Which is a reasonable viewpoint, but then what do you do with the children?

FBR
10-16-2010, 01:19 PM
Looking forward to a post that is on topic. We have been way off topic including some of my posts as well. If not, I will close it.

FBR

Kellydancer
10-16-2010, 01:21 PM
You don't have to date anybody you don't want to; having children is a dealbreaker to many people, but I read that you didn't have to accept the children as legitimate people... And it sounded like you were against immigrants who came here and worked hard if they were interested in the same type of job as you.
Also, if single women with children weren't allowed welfare, what happens to all of the children who are suddenly poverty stricken. I don't think anybody with any sense is "for" people on welfare. But some people need it, single mothers as well. I think everybody is against those that abuse the system. But just because they have children they should be excluded? Or are you against welfare altogether? Which is a reasonable viewpoint, but then what do you do with the children?

You can't believe everything she wrote because I never said I don't accept children as real people. That's a lie. However, I don't support long term welfare and think of it as something that needs to be strict. As for the kids, I feel for them but the parents need to support them, even if it means working two jobs. My parents often had to do this. I realize the economy is bad but people need to take actions for themselves. I've known too many people who got pregnant for welfare and this needs to be curtailed. We also need to go after the baby daddies more than we do and make them pay. Btw, I have no problem with giving assistance for however it takes for people actually working but working low paying jobs. It's just the whole welfare state disturbs me and I used to live in a county with a high percentage of taxes because of this.

As for immigrants as I state I have no problems with them coming here and working hard. I even mention my great grandparents and paternal grandmother who were immigrants. I don't have patience for those who come to sponge off the system and don't want to accept our values. I know these are the minority but the fact is there still are ones who come here to do this.

nelly33
10-16-2010, 01:31 PM
FBR is right... this is way OT... I guess to get back to the topic... I don't really think anything about it. I would never personally pay for everything with my partner, but odds are that I wouldn't be attracted personality-wise to a girl who would expect that and vice-versa. I don't find it illegal or harmful, so I don't care.
This analogy isn't even close to perfect, but I compare it to somebody who wants to have kids vs. somebody that doesn't. If a girl doesn't want to have kids, there's nothing wrong with that, but she's not for me. Same with taking care of a girl; don't see anything wrong with it, but not for me.

As for the other topics... they are interesting and I wouldn't mind talking about them, but FBR is right... someone should start a thread and I'm to lazy.

ArmySGT.
10-16-2010, 05:44 PM
As I see it

If it is the Man taking care of the Woman then we fall right back into Traditional roles.

Lovely if you both want it. That's just it BOTH have to want it. Nay NEED it.

If it is to be expected of a Man to provide all then it is expected of a Woman to care for all.

KaylaM
10-16-2010, 08:04 PM
As I see it

If it is the Man taking care of the Woman then we fall right back into Traditional roles.

Lovely if you both want it. That's just it BOTH have to want it. Nay NEED it.

If it is to be expected of a Man to provide all then it is expected of a Woman to care for all.

Well said.

safado
10-17-2010, 08:32 AM
I found this youtube link on another site and thought it was funny, it's about taking care of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyg8vEHraE

KaylaM
10-17-2010, 08:36 AM
no comment.

I wonder what keywords you used to find this video. #Just saying.

Off to work now :wave:

safado
10-17-2010, 08:41 AM
no comment.

I wonder what keywords you used to find this video. #Just saying.

It's not my video, I just clicked on the link that was posted on another message board. I think that it should just be titled marriage negotiations.

Chili Palmer
10-17-2010, 08:44 AM
On found this youtube link on another site and thought it was funny, it's about taking care of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyg8vEHraE

Without reading this thread (and its progenitor on Pink), I would've found it amusing. With these threads as background, I damn near fell out of my chair. I gotta visit that website. If it's really a text-to-video website, I gotta go back and plug in some old SW threads into it and see what it looks like "televised."

This is fucking comedy GOLD!

CP

ArmySGT.
10-17-2010, 12:19 PM
I found this youtube link on another site and thought it was funny, it's about taking care of women.



I'm crying that is so god damn funny! :D

KaylaM
10-17-2010, 12:29 PM
It's not my video, I just clicked on the link that was posted on another message board. I think that it should just be titled marriage negotiations.

exactly.

Casual Observer
10-17-2010, 12:45 PM
On found this youtube link on another site and thought it was funny, it's about taking care of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyg8vEHraE



Wow...that's great.

anelia
10-17-2010, 01:40 PM
huh, i never really read the blue side or post here, i guess i forgot it existed. but i think this thread was a lot more interesting when continued over here, with a good mix of male/female perspectives... i've never been married, but i have dated a lot of douchebags that wouldn't or couldn't pay for anything, and then some douchebags who treated me for almost everything, bought gifts, paid bills etc. i think if there is no real love then it doesn't matter what the financial arrangement is. that said i'd love a relationship to work out where we both contributed what we were able to, felt comfortable with, and could create a buffer for savings, vacations, etc. people are just all so different... coming from other cultures as kayla points out, a man is NOT a man unless he provides. in "liberated" america we have a lot of pussy broke guys who don't fulfill traditional gender roles and aren't expected to. if family and friends have no expectation of a guy to care for his woman, he probably won't. there are no consequences. i think i might be better off with a man that wasn't raised up in america like me...i'm old fashioned, i'd love an old fashioned marriage. i'd cook, do all the laundry & take the kids to karate! shiiit.

Perry
10-17-2010, 01:46 PM
OT......... ot... ot...

MUST OT!!

OK!! Some shit we do as a freaking couple. Like, cook together and do laundry and shit. Because before any husband or wife or traditional titles get thrown all over - we're best buds. And we're always joking around and enjoy each other company no matter what we're doing.

I do most of the cleaning and 90 some percent of the childrearing since Mr. Perry is at work all day. And cleaning and children go hand-in-hand. And sticky yogurt covered hand on the wall. Crayons on the wall. Lunch on the floor. Every item in my home is re-organized daily by the kidlett.

And, that is PLENTY of contribution on it's own. Daycare is expensive!! And I tend to think, "Whats the point of having kids if you don't want to raise them?" BUT, that's just us personally. I totally get some families need dual income and I make no judgement on that. It's just not a choice that would work for my family.

If I worked a 9-5 job, first off, I would probably make just enough to cover the cost of putting my kid in day care. How many bugs and viruses is Perry Jr. going to pick up from the other kidlets at one of those places that require time off work for one maybe both of us and/or a doctor vist? I love kids. But I know they're walking petri dishes of germs and bacteria and Perry Jr.'s first examination of any new object consists of trying to eat it. Can't eat it? Break it. Then try to eat it again. It is terrifiying.

I do freelance when I feel like it and pull in some extra moolah. And I could raise the little one on my own if need be. But, we don't see it like that. I mean, we're not strict over whats "manly" and what's "feminine". We're a couple, and parents first. We aren't petty or inconsiderate enough to be all, "I worked all day. Why isn't dinner on the table?" or "I've been bitten and kicked all day and had mashed banana spit at me. Imma go hang out in the bathtub for a few hours."

We just love each other and try to make each other happy and shit goes the way it goes. There aren't any rules or roles. Who is that fucking detached and devaluing of someone they love to sit down and decide "Man ENGINEER! Woman CLEAN!" If he's tired or stressed I'll baby his ass. And I know he'll do the same for me.

Mr. Perry swears up and down my job(s) are way harder than his. I frequently tell him how smart he is and what a badass job he does at keeping his family safe and happy. We appreciate the other person whether they're working, changing a diaper or boiling rice. And we switch and take turns at those things at a rate that works for us.

I'd also like to add that I may be old and grumpy, but I can still rock a school girl outfit and purr all nice like when the little one spends the night at grandma's. We're both pretty happy with the arrangement we've got.

If you don't have kids or a husband....Sorry, but you have no fucking clue yet. The mighty hand of responcibility, love and commitment will bitch smack you harder than you could ever imagine at the marriage and motherhood milestones.

JoeUnCool
10-17-2010, 05:57 PM
Personal attacks do nothing but prove how little you can actually argue the topic at hand.

It happens in the Blue side as well. There are times I want to reach through the computer and strangle someone because they don't grasp what I am saying. There are times that I can completely agree with the same person. My feeling is that SCJ is an interesting place to visit. Its an interesting cross section of society. Don't let it get you down. What one person says isn't 100% right or wrong for you.

JoeUnCool
10-17-2010, 06:00 PM
Without reading this thread (and its progenitor on Pink), I would've found it amusing. With these threads as background, I damn near fell out of my chair. I gotta visit that website. If it's really a text-to-video website, I gotta go back and plug in some old SW threads into it and see what it looks like "televised."

This is fucking comedy GOLD!

CP

Oh yeah, some of the cartoons that I have seen generated are hilareous. I think the funniest one I have seen is the streetwalker negotiating with the john. I just could not contain myself.

rickdugan
10-18-2010, 07:03 AM
...Except, of course, some of you ladies won't do the laundry, wash the dishes or raise the kids, either, even if we pay all the bills.

CP


...i've never been married, but i have dated a lot of douchebags that wouldn't or couldn't pay for anything, and then some douchebags who treated me for almost everything, bought gifts, paid bills etc. i think if there is no real love then it doesn't matter what the financial arrangement is. that said i'd love a relationship to work out where we both contributed what we were able to, felt comfortable with, and could create a buffer for savings, vacations, etc. people are just all so different... coming from other cultures as kayla points out, a man is NOT a man unless he provides. in "liberated" america we have a lot of pussy broke guys who don't fulfill traditional gender roles and aren't expected to. if family and friends have no expectation of a guy to care for his woman, he probably won't. there are no consequences. i think i might be better off with a man that wasn't raised up in america like me...i'm old fashioned, i'd love an old fashioned marriage. i'd cook, do all the laundry & take the kids to karate! shiiit.

Nowadays a lot of men AND women are, as my father used to say...

as useless as tits on a bull.

It took me a long time to find a wife that shared my beliefs about raising kids and keeping a household. And she is indeed from another country. Now my wife is no pushover by any stretch, in fact I would call her fiery, but I never doubt for one second that my children and house are in good hands and it allows me to focus on bringing in the $$$, which pays for that big house along with expensive SUVs, a top notch education for my older child and lots of other nice stuff.

Before my wife, I dated a string of girls who made me despair of finding one that was not a selfish headcase. The couple that I lived with couldn't seem to get out of their own damned heads - I would work long days, pay the bills, and come home to a dirty house and empty table. I would then be forced to spend my Saturdays with a cleaning bucket and my Sundays cooking for the week, all the while wondering just how these girls would handle raising children. In each case it did not take too long before I kicked their asses out, but really?

It is so bad out there now that at one point I thought that I was not going to have children, which to me would have been preferable to impregnating one of these women.

In the reverse, I see enough of the other side of the coin with respect to the guys that in some ways I can't blame these girls. IMHO there is a lot of trust missing in today's relationships, which seems to lead each side to worrying as much about themselves as they are in building a lasting foundation and raising kids.

Just my :twocents:

Kellydancer
10-18-2010, 12:56 PM
Nowadays a lot of men AND women are, as my father used to say...

as useless as tits on a bull.

It took me a long time to find a wife that shared my beliefs about raising kids and keeping a household. And she is indeed from another country. Now my wife is no pushover by any stretch, in fact I would call her fiery, but I never doubt for one second that my children and house are in good hands and it allows me to focus on bringing in the $$$, which pays for that big house along with expensive SUVs, a top notch education for my older child and lots of other nice stuff.

Before my wife, I dated a string of girls who made me despair of finding one that was not a selfish headcase. The couple that I lived with couldn't seem to get out of their own damned heads - I would work long days, pay the bills, and come home to a dirty house and empty table. I would then be forced to spend my Saturdays with a cleaning bucket and my Sundays cooking for the week, all the while wondering just how these girls would handle raising children. In each case it did not take too long before I kicked their asses out, but really?

It is so bad out there now that at one point I thought that I was not going to have children, which to me would have been preferable to impregnating one of these women.

In the reverse, I see enough of the other side of the coin with respect to the guys that in some ways I can't blame these girls. IMHO there is a lot of trust missing in today's relationships, which seems to lead each side to worrying as much about themselves as they are in building a lasting foundation and raising kids.

Just my :twocents:

Were those girls living with you rent free or pitching in? To me this makes a difference. I once lived with a guy who complained I didn't clean like he wanted (he was OCD and an alcoholic) so he did all the cleaning. I didn't care actually because we both worked full time (I was dancing 5-6 days a week at the strip club down the street).

You do bring up an interesting point and that is that it's hard finding someone who shares morals (whatever they may be for each person). I have certain morals I want and they are hard to find in this society, especially since to some they seem to contradict. For instance I don't want a guy who sleeps around, but also respects that I am a career person. Personally, I would never quit my job and know that one can be a career person and have kids.

rickdugan
10-18-2010, 01:17 PM
Were those girls living with you rent free or pitching in? To me this makes a difference. I once lived with a guy who complained I didn't clean like he wanted (he was OCD and an alcoholic) so he did all the cleaning. I didn't care actually because we both worked full time (I was dancing 5-6 days a week at the strip club down the street).

You do bring up an interesting point and that is that it's hard finding someone who shares morals (whatever they may be for each person). I have certain morals I want and they are hard to find in this society, especially since to some they seem to contradict. For instance I don't want a guy who sleeps around, but also respects that I am a career person. Personally, I would never quit my job and know that one can be a career person and have kids.

I was paying the household bills. One was working part time and the other was not working at all. I was working a high pressure job with a lot of hours. In both cases I initially thought I found girls that shared my outlook, but when push came to shove...anyway...

I was looking for more of the traditional roles with a smart and tough woman as the wife and mother. IMO the best wife and mother is not some subservient woman who does what she is told, but one that takes charge of the house and her children. My wife is tough minded and dedicated and thus far has turned out beautiful, healthy and secure children. She also nursed both of them (even when it hurt to do so), something I believe there is no substitute for - at least until the formula companies figure out how to add colostrum and human antibodies to formula.

No criticism of how anybody else chooses to live, just what I was looking for and, fortunately, found.

KS_Stevia
10-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Fuck this, I'm never getting married or living with another man. I'm just going to make and keep my own money to invest, hire a maid, and spend my money on clothes and strippers. Oh wait, I already do that. Hahaha! Fuck a man taking care of me wanting to saddle me down with snot nosed babies.

Oh wait, did I just totally swing the pendulum the other way? Wait again, I'm kind of lonely too :(

FBR
10-18-2010, 06:35 PM
Fuck this, I'm never getting married or living with another man. I'm just going to make and keep my own money to invest, hire a maid, and spend my money on clothes and strippers. Oh wait, I already do that. Hahaha! Fuck a man taking care of me wanting to saddle me down with snot nosed babies.

Oh wait, did I just totally swing the pendulum the other way? Wait again, I'm kind of lonely too :(

Ha! KS lonely? I have my doubts }:D We love you hon ;D

FBR

Kellydancer
10-18-2010, 09:11 PM
Fuck this, I'm never getting married or living with another man. I'm just going to make and keep my own money to invest, hire a maid, and spend my money on clothes and strippers. Oh wait, I already do that. Hahaha! Fuck a man taking care of me wanting to saddle me down with snot nosed babies.

Oh wait, did I just totally swing the pendulum the other way? Wait again, I'm kind of lonely too :(

I know a few guys who want to take care of a woman but they expect her to give up her career. I'd rather never marry than marry a guy who wants that. I'd only have kids with a guy who believes in equality across the board.

Athenathefabulous
10-20-2010, 01:50 AM
I found this youtube link on another site and thought it was funny, it's about taking care of women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgyg8vEHraE

this is so full of win! lolz



OT......... ot... ot...

MUST OT!!

OK!! Some shit we do as a freaking couple. Like, cook together and do laundry and shit. Because before any husband or wife or traditional titles get thrown all over - we're best buds. And we're always joking around and enjoy each other company no matter what we're doing.

I do most of the cleaning and 90 some percent of the childrearing since Mr. Perry is at work all day. And cleaning and children go hand-in-hand. And sticky yogurt covered hand on the wall. Crayons on the wall. Lunch on the floor. Every item in my home is re-organized daily by the kidlett.

And, that is PLENTY of contribution on it's own. Daycare is expensive!! And I tend to think, "Whats the point of having kids if you don't want to raise them?" BUT, that's just us personally. I totally get some families need dual income and I make no judgement on that. It's just not a choice that would work for my family.

If I worked a 9-5 job, first off, I would probably make just enough to cover the cost of putting my kid in day care. How many bugs and viruses is Perry Jr. going to pick up from the other kidlets at one of those places that require time off work for one maybe both of us and/or a doctor vist? I love kids. But I know they're walking petri dishes of germs and bacteria and Perry Jr.'s first examination of any new object consists of trying to eat it. Can't eat it? Break it. Then try to eat it again. It is terrifiying.

I do freelance when I feel like it and pull in some extra moolah. And I could raise the little one on my own if need be. But, we don't see it like that. I mean, we're not strict over whats "manly" and what's "feminine". We're a couple, and parents first. We aren't petty or inconsiderate enough to be all, "I worked all day. Why isn't dinner on the table?" or "I've been bitten and kicked all day and had mashed banana spit at me. Imma go hang out in the bathtub for a few hours."

We just love each other and try to make each other happy and shit goes the way it goes. There aren't any rules or roles. Who is that fucking detached and devaluing of someone they love to sit down and decide "Man ENGINEER! Woman CLEAN!" If he's tired or stressed I'll baby his ass. And I know he'll do the same for me.

Mr. Perry swears up and down my job(s) are way harder than his. I frequently tell him how smart he is and what a badass job he does at keeping his family safe and happy. We appreciate the other person whether they're working, changing a diaper or boiling rice. And we switch and take turns at those things at a rate that works for us.

I'd also like to add that I may be old and grumpy, but I can still rock a school girl outfit and purr all nice like when the little one spends the night at grandma's. We're both pretty happy with the arrangement we've got.

If you don't have kids or a husband....Sorry, but you have no fucking clue yet. The mighty hand of responcibility, love and commitment will bitch smack you harder than you could ever imagine at the marriage and motherhood milestones.

this is probably the most reasonable post of them all...


Oh yeah, some of the cartoons that I have seen generated are hilareous. I think the funniest one I have seen is the streetwalker negotiating with the john. I just could not contain myself.

link plz?

lopaw
10-20-2010, 07:55 PM
Ha! KS lonely? I have my doubts }:D We love you hon ;D

FBR


^^^ I second this :)

princessjas
10-21-2010, 09:46 AM
OT......... ot... ot...

MUST OT!!

OK!! Some shit we do as a freaking couple. Like, cook together and do laundry and shit. Because before any husband or wife or traditional titles get thrown all over - we're best buds. And we're always joking around and enjoy each other company no matter what we're doing.

I do most of the cleaning and 90 some percent of the childrearing since Mr. Perry is at work all day. And cleaning and children go hand-in-hand. And sticky yogurt covered hand on the wall. Crayons on the wall. Lunch on the floor. Every item in my home is re-organized daily by the kidlett.

And, that is PLENTY of contribution on it's own. Daycare is expensive!! And I tend to think, "Whats the point of having kids if you don't want to raise them?" BUT, that's just us personally. I totally get some families need dual income and I make no judgement on that. It's just not a choice that would work for my family.

If I worked a 9-5 job, first off, I would probably make just enough to cover the cost of putting my kid in day care. How many bugs and viruses is Perry Jr. going to pick up from the other kidlets at one of those places that require time off work for one maybe both of us and/or a doctor vist? I love kids. But I know they're walking petri dishes of germs and bacteria and Perry Jr.'s first examination of any new object consists of trying to eat it. Can't eat it? Break it. Then try to eat it again. It is terrifiying.

I do freelance when I feel like it and pull in some extra moolah. And I could raise the little one on my own if need be. But, we don't see it like that. I mean, we're not strict over whats "manly" and what's "feminine". We're a couple, and parents first. We aren't petty or inconsiderate enough to be all, "I worked all day. Why isn't dinner on the table?" or "I've been bitten and kicked all day and had mashed banana spit at me. Imma go hang out in the bathtub for a few hours."

We just love each other and try to make each other happy and shit goes the way it goes. There aren't any rules or roles. Who is that fucking detached and devaluing of someone they love to sit down and decide "Man ENGINEER! Woman CLEAN!" If he's tired or stressed I'll baby his ass. And I know he'll do the same for me.

Mr. Perry swears up and down my job(s) are way harder than his. I frequently tell him how smart he is and what a badass job he does at keeping his family safe and happy. We appreciate the other person whether they're working, changing a diaper or boiling rice. And we switch and take turns at those things at a rate that works for us.

I'd also like to add that I may be old and grumpy, but I can still rock a school girl outfit and purr all nice like when the little one spends the night at grandma's. We're both pretty happy with the arrangement we've got.

If you don't have kids or a husband....Sorry, but you have no fucking clue yet. The mighty hand of responcibility, love and commitment will bitch smack you harder than you could ever imagine at the marriage and motherhood milestones.

I dunno what to say, but thank you a bazillion times!! This is something we all need to read and make sure we have similar, helpful peeps at home!

sadbuttrue
10-26-2010, 07:16 PM
I think that if a girl thinks of herself as some queen bee, that needs to be taken care of completely without her lifting a finger, then she is not worth doing that for. If she does not think that way, then she is worth doing it for. Not saying anyone said that, just saying..

All that said, I, myself, am old school and just like to do the providing the best I can and would never dream of relying upon a girl's income. If she makes all outdoors for money, then I guess I would find a way to not have to rely on it for myself.

No matter, I don't ever see myself putting myself in that situation again.

Sad

You Know Me
10-26-2010, 10:00 PM
Wow...ze blues and pinks haz been buzy down here.

I can only speak from where i sit today since my dumbass got married way too early.

As a single man today...i have no qualms taking care of a woman. I mean i already have everything so wth. All my shit is paid for so all i would have is utilities and food...which i would be using anyway. I prefer to cook so i guess all i would ask is maybe do a load of clothes and dont be a slob. I look more for support in a partner. I deal with a lot of stress, so if she can handle that she is gold.........i will take care of the rest.

crillin
10-26-2010, 10:50 PM
I think that if a girl thinks of herself as some queen bee, that needs to be taken care of completely without her lifting a finger, then she is not worth doing that for. If she does not think that way, then she is worth doing it for. Not saying anyone said that, just saying..


I hear you man. I'm the type of guy that can't stand this kind of abrasive attitude from women. If I even catch of whiff of it, I'm gone. The thing I wonder about is why some guys put up with it? I think they need to learn to respect themselves before others can respect them. A doormat is so unattractive.

A woman will get so much farther with me if she is a genuine good-hearted person with a lot of respect for herself and those around her. These types of women I will bend over backwards for and they won't even have to ask. Some people you know are just worth it and I'm sure it's not only guys that feel this way either.

babyjane
10-26-2010, 11:17 PM
Well the guy I'm with is rather traditional in the sense that it makes him feel happy to pay for dates (we don't live together). I have absolutely no problem with that because when you factor in the cost it takes me to get ready for a date, I'm paying more. ;)

threlayer
10-31-2010, 09:37 PM
While I don't have a problem with the idea of "taking care" of a lady I have found over the years that I get along much better with a woman who has a strong sense of independence and wants her own life. Income and a career is a part of that.

I agree with this with one theoretical extension -- for a few early years a mother should spend the majority of her time with kids; this means sharing housework and kid maintenance duties with her, and further, during that time she should not be expected to work outside the home full-time

(Disclaimer: I have never fathered kids and will not in the future; I did say theoretical)

Kellydancer
11-02-2010, 12:01 PM
I agree with this with one theoretical extension -- for a few early years a mother should spend the majority of her time with kids; this means sharing housework and kid maintenance duties with her, and further, during that time she should not be expected to work outside the home full-time

(Disclaimer: I have never fathered kids and will not in the future; I did say theoretical)

I would not like to ever be a full time housewife mother and because of that I would never expect to ever have a man support me. This is why I seek out men who either would be expected to make less than me (so if one parents stays at home it's him) or whom I would never havd kids with.

rickdugan
11-02-2010, 04:24 PM
I would not like to ever be a full time housewife mother and because of that I would never expect to ever have a man support me. This is why I seek out men who either would be expected to make less than me (so if one parents stays at home it's him) or whom I would never havd kids with.

Kids are not for everyone. And if you are looking for a good man without the need to have children, another thought is to simply find one that has already had his. If I am not mistaken you (as am I) are at an age where there should be some guys floating around out there with older kids. These guys usually aren't looking to do it over again and you could find a guy who is the best of all worlds - strong, stable and without a desire for more children.

Just a thought.

Kellydancer
11-02-2010, 07:45 PM
Kids are not for everyone. And if you are looking for a good man without the need to have children, another thought is to simply find one that has already had his. If I am not mistaken you (as am I) are at an age where there should be some guys floating around out there with older kids. These guys usually aren't looking to do it over again and you could find a guy who is the best of all worlds - strong, stable and without a desire for more children.

Just a thought.

I don't date dads and in other threads I've mentioned why. Mostly financial and having to share with him. I have dated guys with kids and never again. I want kids, but only want them with a guy just as involved as me. That includes both of us taking care of them and both of us working. Otherwise if I decide to have kids, I might adopt. Luckily I still see single guys my age so I feel good about that.

yoda57us
11-03-2010, 07:15 PM
I agree with this with one theoretical extension -- for a few early years a mother should spend the majority of her time with kids; this means sharing housework and kid maintenance duties with her, and further, during that time she should not be expected to work outside the home full-time

(Disclaimer: I have never fathered kids and will not in the future; I did say theoretical)

Well, I have...

And one thing I learned was that whatever works for you works for you. My ex planned on taking two years off from work when our daughter was born...after six months she was climbing the walls and went back to work part time. Within 9 months she was back full time. The money was helpful of course but my ex being happy and adjusted made her a better and more patient mom when my daughter was small. It also made us all try very hard to make the most of our time spent together.

Avery90
11-03-2010, 07:27 PM
I must admit I was more than a bit taken aback by all of the men-must-pay-for-everything responses on the ladies side. Eek.

I had to check my calendar and confirm that it was indeed 2010, not 1910.

True just gets annoying when (my personal experience) your loser BF always makes you pay for everything and then blows his money on booze and video games and other things sorry Im a bit old fashioned I like the GUY paying for dates but hes not living with me while we are dating or paying my rent I can take care of myself that way.