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xGigi
10-13-2010, 08:23 AM
I'd advise you, and other people with like-minded POV's, to stay out of this thread. As I've said before, the SD issue is very different from escorting and whatnot. There really are guys out there who are willing to pay for a beautiful woman's company/conversation. Yes, even without sex and without a PhD in biophysics and without being a "10".

I would know--I've met them (as have many women on this board). They aren't super common, but they are definitely, definitely out there.

So anyone with no helpful information who merely wishes to criticize women looking for SD's can keep their thoughts to themselves.

seriously!!! never say never! if a guy will drop 200 dollars on a champagne room after you've told him you won't sleep with him who's to say he won't take you out on a date for the same price with the same expectations? I'm determined to find a no-sex sugar daddy damnit! I've already got a bunch of bites on sugardaddyforme so I'm feeling pretty hopeful

Will
10-13-2010, 08:27 AM
I'd advise you, and other people with like-minded POV's, to stay out of this thread.

OK, those with any counter view to yours should stay out of thread. Got it.


I've said before, the SD issue is very different from escorting and whatnot. There really are guys out there who are willing to pay for a beautiful woman's company/conversation. Yes, even without sex and without a PhD in biophysics and without being a "10".

I don't care what people pay for. It's all good to me. ;)


I would know--I've met them (as have many women on this board). They aren't super common, but they are definitely, definitely out there.

So anyone with no helpful information who merely wishes to criticize women looking for SD's can keep their thoughts to themselves.

There were no criticisms, only another POV. If she can find such a person/man, good on her. Those were simply my opinions/POV from a man. I guess every response should be a "you go for it girl!" ra ra response? Sorry I threw some cold water on the topic, but there are no insults intended, only hard realities.

Anyway, I wish her and all the best to find such a guy. Good luck with that...(yes, sarcasm intended, sorry...) }:D

charlie61
10-13-2010, 08:27 AM
Remember that most SD's have expiration dates, as the vast majority of them will eventually want physical compensation. Just as in the SC, having an SD involves a hustle (this does NOT mean that you are to lie to them).

charlie61
10-13-2010, 08:29 AM
OK, those with any counter view to yours should stay out of thread. Got it.



I don't care what people pay for. It's all good to me. ;)



There were no criticisms, only another POV. If she can find such a person/man, good on her. Those were simply my opinions/POV from a man. I guess every response should be a "you for for it girl!" ra ra response? Sorry I threw some cold water on the topic, but there are no insults intended, only hard realities.

Anyway, I wish her and all the best to find such a guy. Good luck with that...(yes, sarcasm intended, sorry...) }:D

No, I'm sorry--I didn't mean for my post to sound that harsh. You aren't the first one to express this same viewpoint in this thread, so I was getting sick of people posting things without really understanding the issue at hand. (See the first page to peoples' responses to posts like yours, including a great retort from DJoser).

I really didn't mean to kick you out of the thread. It just sounded like you were being pointlessly critical without offering any advice.

xGigi
10-13-2010, 08:31 AM
Remember that most SD's have expiration dates, as the vast majority of them will eventually want physical compensation. Just as in the SC, having an SD involves a hustle (this does NOT mean that you are to lie to them).

all of my regulars ITC have an expiration date once they ask themselves why they're dropping hundreds of dollars on a girl who probably doesn't actually like them. it doesn't bother me. on to the next one I say :D

anouk.oui
10-13-2010, 08:35 AM
^ i agree. im looking for support and advice from ladies who have been in similar situations not have a bunch of dudes come onto the thread and make fun of our effort to make extra cash. im sure it can be hard for the average strip club goer to come onto this forum and see how we dont just smile, glitter and jiggle and we are being strathegic in emptying your pockets but the crushing sound of your ego doesnt make it okay for you to bring every one of us ladies down with you, especially on what is supposed to be a support site for female dancers. duh!

Will
10-13-2010, 08:38 AM
No, I'm sorry--I didn't mean for my post to sound that harsh. You aren't the first one to express this same viewpoint in this thread, so I was getting sick of people posting things without really understanding the issue at hand. (See the first page to peoples' responses to posts like yours, including a great retort from DJoser).

I really didn't mean to kick you out of the thread. It just sounded like you were being pointlessly critical without offering any advice.

Thank you Charlie. I can't offer useful advice, because to be frank, I can't see what's in it for the man doing it. But, my comments were not meant to be mean spirited, only reality based. She asked is she was jaded, I would say very unrealistic. And although I don't have first hand experience with that, I have a fair amount of second hand experience, knowing someone with such a set up, etc.

He enjoys her company because she is that good looking, and that intelligent and well educated that he enjoys her company where sex is not needed, but he still gets it from other arrangements, so it works OK for him.

This may have been better posted in the ladies only section perhaps. I was saying from my POV, as a man, I would have to be VERY wealthy and the gal amazing (as outlined) to ever consider such an arrangement, and I doubt I'm alone there.

anouk.oui
10-13-2010, 08:44 AM
seriously try to find something a little more local or ask up front how much he'll pay you and ALWAYS get the cash up front. I had one of my regulars totally BS me into going out for coffee, he said he'd give me 50 bucks to go out for half an hour before work and he didn't even give me the 50 dollars. I asked for it after and he was like "oh shoot can I give it to you at the club?" and he never did. I was LIVID about that. I can't imagine flying out somewhere to waste time and not make any money.

plus don't you think it's a little weird that he wants you to fly so far away from your home? tell him you would be comfortable meeting him close by

yeah thats what id prefer too. i havent been up there, dont have friends or saved up money so its a good way to get screwed over. lucky the guy travels to sydney a lot because if hes genuine, i wouldnt mind seeing him occasionally, but a date on home turf for me is essential.

Will
10-13-2010, 08:44 AM
^ i agree. im looking for support and advice from ladies who have been in similar situations

Then it should have been posted in the "ladies only" section.


not have a bunch of dudes come onto the thread and make fun

I was not making fun, and as a "dude" you may want to pay attention in that it would be a dude paying the $$$$.


of our effort to make extra cash. im sure it can be hard for the average strip club goer

I don't go to SCs but very rarely BTW.


to come onto this forum and see how we dont just smile, glitter and jiggle and we are being strathegic in emptying your pockets but the crushing sound of your ego doesnt make it okay for you to bring every one of us ladies down with you, especially on what is supposed to be a support site for female dancers. duh!

I threw out some actual reality. Sorry that's a problem. I do know men in the situation of which you seek, etc, etc.

Anyway, good luck to you with finding such a set up.

anouk.oui
10-13-2010, 08:53 AM
why would i pay attention if you dont even come to strip clubs? then why are you on here?
the only 'dudes' i would be interested in hearing from is someone who has been a SD before or has similar experience. this is a place for support and guidance so try and tailor your posts for that if you wish to venture to the pink side.

Will
10-13-2010, 09:08 AM
why would i pay attention if you dont even come to strip clubs?

So men are unworthy of any conversation if they don't act as walking ATMs to your income? I have nothing against SCs per se.


then why are you on here?

Short version:

Interview I was asked to do ended up on this site:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46456&highlight=dancer+fitness

How, I'm still not sure.

Long version: I enjoy some of the people, I enjoy some of the topics covered that are not covered anywhere else in the way they get covered here, I enjoy the non traditional life style discussions, etc, etc. It's an interesting and unique forum, so I stick around on and off.


the only 'dudes' i would be interested in hearing from is someone who has been a SD before or has similar experience. this is a place for support and guidance so try and tailor your posts for that if you wish to venture to the pink side.

I'll post as I see fit, thank you. Been here since 2005, a lot longer then yourself. Now, again, good luck with your search.

Is it not common for a custie from a club to then move to an SD who knows the arrangement remains the same as what he gets at the club? The dancers I have known who had such arrangements found them at their own clubs and made it clear to a select few they would be willing to see them outside the club with no sex, etc.

I'm sure it's also very area dependent. Different social norms allow for very different set ups. Gents with lots of $$$ being SDs seem common in southern FL, but rare say here in Boston.

Loganx2000
10-13-2010, 05:41 PM
I Love Capitalism. It's great! A fundamental rule of capitalism is that anything, any product or service is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I think a $1,000 bottle of wine would be ridiculous. However someone is willing to pay that price for some wines so it has that value. You can say that anything is worth anything, but until there is someone willing to pay that price, it really isn't. That isn't meant as an insult. If you can find someone who is willing to support you for your company and conversation, then good for you. And then it is worth that, because it has been proven so. I wouldn't call those that would not support you for your company cheapasses though. Just like if I had a comic that was worth $300 but you have no interest in it (other than resell value, which would still just be $300), you not wanting to pay $300 for it doesn't make you cheap, just not interested in it, or at least not enough to pay $300 for it.

charlie61
10-13-2010, 07:45 PM
I Love Capitalism. It's great! A fundamental rule of capitalism is that anything, any product or service is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. I think a $1,000 bottle of wine would be ridiculous. However someone is willing to pay that price for some wines so it has that value. You can say that anything is worth anything, but until there is someone willing to pay that price, it really isn't. That isn't meant as an insult. If you can find someone who is willing to support you for your company and conversation, then good for you. And then it is worth that, because it has been proven so. I wouldn't call those that would not support you for your company cheapasses though. Just like if I had a comic that was worth $300 but you have no interest in it (other than resell value, which would still just be $300), you not wanting to pay $300 for it doesn't make you cheap, just not interested in it, or at least not enough to pay $300 for it.

This is a very fair assessment of ze situation. :)

Also, I've found that with SD's, they make you pay for every penny you make off of them. And you will only find out what that cost entails after you start hanging out with them.

Remember--these men are usually smart (at least in one area). They made their money somehow, and they know how to manage their money. So they will get something from you for their money. Whether it's your sanity or your body, they will get something from you.

KS_Stevia
10-14-2010, 07:10 AM
Personally I think its less work if you're willing to have sex with them. If they aren't getting that then 50% of your communications will be him whining and negotiating. Find one like mine, he was older and not handsome, but very clean and pleasant enough. Gentle in bed and didn't take hours to finish.

For about a 20 minute romp you can zone out in, I got thousands of dollars, taken to extremely nice places like dinner and cultural events, and several gifts per every date.

xGigi
10-14-2010, 07:21 AM
Personally I think its less work if you're willing to have sex with them. If they aren't getting that then 50% of your communications will be him whining and negotiating. Find one like mine, he was older and not handsome, but very clean and pleasant enough. Gentle in bed and didn't take hours to finish.

For about a 20 minute romp you can zone out in, I got thousands of dollars, taken to extremely nice places like dinner and cultural events, and several gifts per every date.

I've been seriously considering it. one of my potential SDs who contacted me is 18 years older than me and is actually quite attractive! now it's making me wonder what the REAL catch is here...

she sells sanctuary
10-14-2010, 09:08 AM
^ other women are hoping to marry him. he's just renting you, and you know it. that's the catch.

SuperFlyGuy
10-14-2010, 12:46 PM
^ other women are hoping to marry him. he's just renting you, and you know it. that's the catch.

Sounds kinda cynical, and before you start attacking me again, this is just my own take on the situation and nothing directed against you personally, k?

The attractive guy may simply have a thing for chicks 18 yrs. younger, and these sites are just an easy way to meet them.

charlie61
10-14-2010, 02:40 PM
Personally I think its less work if you're willing to have sex with them. If they aren't getting that then 50% of your communications will be him whining and negotiating. Find one like mine, he was older and not handsome, but very clean and pleasant enough. Gentle in bed and didn't take hours to finish.

For about a 20 minute romp you can zone out in, I got thousands of dollars, taken to extremely nice places like dinner and cultural events, and several gifts per every date.

This is so true that it should be posted twice.

Loganx2000
10-14-2010, 08:55 PM
This is a very fair assessment of ze situation. :)

Also, I've found that with SD's, they make you pay for every penny you make off of them. And you will only find out what that cost entails after you start hanging out with them.

Remember--these men are usually smart (at least in one area). They made their money somehow, and they know how to manage their money. So they will get something from you for their money. Whether it's your sanity or your body, they will get something from you. This also takes me back to the comment about one of the qualities that the girl brings is being "opinionated". I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but it is something that this type of guy will not be looking for. He will be more likely to expect you to worship every word that comes out of his mouth. Being opinionated would probably not be what he's looking for (unless you happen to share the exact same opinions as he does), so you would need to sell yourself out in that regard.

xGigi
10-15-2010, 05:59 AM
^ other women are hoping to marry him. he's just renting you, and you know it. that's the catch.


that's a catch?? how is that a catch? I don't want to marry a guy that's 18 years my senior that isn't a catch, that's a plus

charlie61
10-15-2010, 06:46 AM
This also takes me back to the comment about one of the qualities that the girl brings is being "opinionated". I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but it is something that this type of guy will not be looking for. He will be more likely to expect you to worship every word that comes out of his mouth. Being opinionated would probably not be what he's looking for (unless you happen to share the exact same opinions as he does), so you would need to sell yourself out in that regard.

True in many cases. However, I think part of the reason that I made so much money in my short stint was because I talked back to them constantly. It's the same reason military guys tend to be attracted to me: they aren't used to women doing anything but validating them, so they love it (at least, for a short while).

Thank god I don't have to deal with SD's anymore. O.o

Djoser
10-17-2010, 02:45 AM
Sounds kinda cynical...

If you aren't cynical after spending more than a couple months in this business, you are either on drugs, or at least a little bit insane. Most likely both. Hey it works for some people, I'm not knocking it as a way to cope--but usually it's the wrong road to drive.


As for guys trying to tell women looking for sugar daddies that they are delusional? About as delusional as you can get, considering we are working with experienced dancers here.

I have seen a lot of delusional people on both ends of the business, actually.


But like it or not, there most certainly are men out there who are quite willing and able to pay women to hang with them, be eye candy (even if only in the daddy's view), pretend they are dating, whatever. As Charlie has said, they will almost invariably want sex eventually, or the deal is done. And on to the next for both parties.

But that doesn't mean there wasn't a deal. And it doesn't mean the woman didn't expend large amounts of patience and/or effort to make the deal work.


I have a wealthy friend who paid women to hang with him, sometimes quite unattractive women too. He flew out of the USA several times a year to get laid by cheap prostitutes, so he wasn't driven to get laid as part of it. He wanted to go out on the town with a quasi girlfriend, basically. But he tended to fall for them, it was kind of sad. Sounds like a gravy train for those drab looking women, being feted and coddled and gifted with cash, etc., doesn't it?

Jesus H Christ, he was one of the most excruciatingly boring people you could ever meet. Any woman spending a lot of time with him would have earned every cent lol!

Guys, it's not like you've never had to hang with excruciatingly boring old fat women at family reunions, weddings, PTA meetings, whatthefuckever. But they are your grandmas, aunts, high school principal, and so forth. So you deal with it, and pray for the night to end so you can can get the hell out of there.

You going to sit here and tell me you are going to go on a date with the old biddies, 3-4 times a week, for free?

foodgroup
10-17-2010, 04:06 AM
A guy, hopefully contributing.

The only place that I've seen the ridiculous sugar daddy money-for-nothing play out is with Thai bar girls.

I have met many such girls and they do have a great hustle. It sucks in a lots of guys, including an older acquaintance of mine: he built his girlfriend a house and sends her $1500/mo (10x the salary of an office worker). The bar girl's goal is to snag several of these long-distance sponsors, so if you are a top girl, it can be quite lucrative.

You have to have sex, but not often if you keep it long-distance. The money side doesn't work the way the OP wants (take me out, give me money) but more of a weasel it out on the backend.

I think many of their techniques could be adapted to the USA market.

she sells sanctuary
10-17-2010, 05:28 AM
Sounds kinda cynical, and before you start attacking me again, this is just my own take on the situation and nothing directed against you personally, k?

The attractive guy may simply have a thing for chicks 18 yrs. younger, and these sites are just an easy way to meet them.

yes, and if you like girls that are young, well, they eventually get older. they eventually want to get serious and settle down. they know the older guy is a dead-end road. and the older guys often want a newer model, so they trade in.

so i guess i shouldn't say rent, it's more like a lease.

i've dated older guys. i've let them take me out. i've taken advantage of how innocent i can come off, it helps me get more out of them before i have to walk away because they want sex, or they stop calling because i won't put out. but i've seen what sort of longer-term relationships they have with the girls who are into that lifestyle. it'll last a couple years at the most, then it's over.

you can say what you want, but 18 years younger will become 20 will become 25 will become 30, as long as you can land em young. because if you wanted a 30 year old at all, you'd be willing to be with one now. but you aren't. you want em young. the age difference will grow, but your ideal girlfriend will stay the same age. which requires frequent trading in.


that's a catch?? how is that a catch? I don't want to marry a guy that's 18 years my senior that isn't a catch, that's a plus

it depends on what you're looking for. a lot of the girls who do this don't understand how it works. they think it's a real relationship. they don't know they're just exchanging a couple years or months of their life and a lot of sex for a lot of bebe clothes and maybe a little plastic surgery. maybe a car if they're lucky, or bills paid. probably not.

i know a girl who was with an older guy who owned several businesses, but before she knew it, he was feigning poverty (while complaining to her about the costs to care for his adult daughter's horses), and she was paying their bills on her waitress income. she was about 20 at the time. he was almost 50. she thought she was in a real relationship, for the long haul. eventually she realized she was just a toy that he was keeping around until she left, that he wasn't going to marry her, it wasn't going to be happily ever after. and yes, that really was what she wanted.

she seems like the kind of girl "superflyguy" is looking for.


A guy, hopefully contributing.

The only place that I've seen the ridiculous sugar daddy money-for-nothing play out is with Thai bar girls.

I have met many such girls and they do have a great hustle. It sucks in a lots of guys, including an older acquaintance of mine: he built his girlfriend a house and sends her $1500/mo (10x the salary of an office worker). The bar girl's goal is to snag several of these long-distance sponsors, so if you are a top girl, it can be quite lucrative.

You have to have sex, but not often if you keep it long-distance. The money side doesn't work the way the OP wants (take me out, give me money) but more of a weasel it out on the backend.

I think many of their techniques could be adapted to the USA market.

maybe, but not for white american women. the main reason men turn to women of certain races/cultures is because the men assume those women are different from what is available at home. as in, they think she's more genuine, she really likes them, it's not all about the money, she's more sexual, she's more submissive, etc.

i've seen dancers pull this shit remarkably well, but they were almost always latina or asian. sometimes foreign-born, often american. but it's a lot harder for white chicks to pull it off. those who do are very rare and usually the type mentioned already (incredibly beautiful, well educated, etc).

SuperFlyGuy
10-17-2010, 09:18 AM
you can say what you want, but 18 years younger will become 20 will become 25 will become 30, as long as you can land em young. because if you wanted a 30 year old at all, you'd be willing to be with one now. but you aren't. you want em young. the age difference will grow, but your ideal girlfriend will stay the same age. which requires frequent trading in.

Wow! Never thought of that, but you could be right. 25 yrs. is barely legal now, but in another 5-10 yrs. I could be going after girls 30 yrs. younger w/frequent trading in, as you say.

she seems like the kind of girl "superflyguy" is looking for.

This part I disagree with though because a few times I've contemplated having a future together w/out any desire to "trade in". Most recently, it was with a 24 y.o. that I dated from last Oct.-Feb. until SHE broke it off. Although I never told her, the plan was to propose this past Fri., on our one year anniversary, assuming we were still going strong by then...