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Obenta
10-24-2010, 08:45 AM
I found SD websites to be a *HUGE* waste of time. Sooo much work sifting through the bullshit for very little payoff.

95% of these dudes are just looking to get laid free or cheap (fuck me for a nice dinner?) or are really looking for an escort and don't want to pay the "going rate" for one. They are bullshitters and a LOT of ladies get taken in. These guys get to meet, spend time & dinner, kiss, grope and fuck LOTS of nice-looking ladies who wouldn't give them the time of day if they didn't think there was a payoff in the end. 99% of the time there isn't!

4% think it's Match.com

1% actually want to be SD's, but half of those don't realize how much being a real SD costs!

100% are looking for sex. Don't kid yourself!

You're more likely to find a real SD in your regular life (IMO), and strip clubs can be good hunting grounds too.

After playing the SD game for a while I decided to just become an escort. It's a lot less bullshit, no wasted time and I make more than any SD would likely give me. There also isn't some dude holding the purse strings.

sunshine16
10-24-2010, 10:46 AM
I found SD websites to be a *HUGE* waste of time. Sooo much work sifting through the bullshit for very little payoff.

95%[/B] of these dudes are just looking to get laid free or cheap (fuck me for a nice dinner?) or are really looking for an escort and don't want to pay the "going rate" for one. They are bullshitters and a LOT of ladies get taken in. These guys get to meet, spend time & dinner, kiss, grope and fuck LOTS of nice-looking ladies who wouldn't give them the time of day if they didn't think there was a payoff in the end. 99% of the time there isn't!

4% think it's Match.com

1% actually want to be SD's, but half of those don't realize how much being a real SD costs!

100% are looking for sex. Don't kid yourself!

You're more likely to find a real SD in your regular life (IMO), and strip clubs can be good hunting grounds too.

After playing the SD game for a while I decided to just become an escort. It's a lot less bullshit, no wasted time and I make more than any SD would likely give me.[B] There also isn't some dude holding the purse strings [B] THIS.

Thats the problem. I"m still attempting to SD game and it IS a lot of work, for not a lot of pay out. Of course I'm having the positive thought that theres ONE that will make it all worth it..but the real problem is with any of them, they can decide at any time they want to move on with their lives, and then the money stops and you're screwed. I like , need and want to be independent and make my own money, which I do at the club, but still not what I need to be making to live comfortably. It would certainly be easier to be an escort but I really couldn't fathom having sex with strange men all the time, plus I dont even have a high sex drive to begin with. :-\

xGigi
10-24-2010, 11:09 AM
It really depends. Sometimes you get lucky. I know all sds want sex but if you're not comfortable with it you can lead them on longer than if you were an escort. So far I'm getting a decent amount of money for these guys to take me out to dinner and bullshit like that. I don't plan on having sex with them either. At first I considered it but I don't think I can ever bring myself to do it. I just can't sleep with someone I'm not attracted to. I'm not cut out for it. I guess that makes me a con artist but I could care less these guys should have gone to an escort service. Once I get rid of the two sds I have I'm done with this.

sunshine16
10-24-2010, 11:21 AM
^yeah thats true, just need 1 or 2 good ones and you're set. Its just a lot of work and frustration sorting through the crap! And having a hard time finding candidates even, the SD sites are bullshit.

SuperFlyGuy
10-24-2010, 12:56 PM
Good thread, and I can def appreciate the female POV. It all depends on what the people involved are looking for. But for you guys, trying to find an actual "arrangement", I've heard that it's VERY difficult, esp. on these sites. Yes, I'm one of those 4% match.com guys, lol! But they all tell me that I'm unlike any of the other guys in actually being attractive, unmarried, having a real career, and not just looking for sex. I've had great success over the past year, but it's all about discussing expectations up front.

As for someone's question on actual sites, Sugardaddie.com seems to require both people to pay for access. So that one has a very low rate of return. Sugardaddyforme.com allows the woman to respond for free if the guy is a paid member. This site used to be a goldmine, but lately the # of new subscribers has def. slowed down. And most recently, I've been trying Seekingarrangement.com. It also seems to allow women to respond for free.

This one seems to be closest to what you guys are looking for in terms of communicating expectations up front. While I've been able to find some "match.com" types heree w/a few dates and short-terms relationships already, other girls have told me some incredible success stories from this site. There's a cute but not exceptional 18 y.o. who has five SDs and makes over 100k/yr as a FT SB. Someone else I'm meeting with tommorrow nite, just as friends (her idea after I turned down the SD/SB idea), regularly pulls in 3k/month per guy as a PT gig while working and going to school. So it's def. out there, and esp. on this site...good luck!

KaylaM
10-24-2010, 01:45 PM
. There's a cute but not exceptional 18 y.o. who has five SDs and makes over 100k/yr as a FT SB. Someone else I'm meeting with tommorrow nite, just as friends (her idea after I turned down the SD/SB idea), regularly pulls in 3k/month per guy as a PT gig while working and going to school. So it's def. out there, and esp. on this site...good luck!

These ladies you are referring to.. Do they have sex for this amount of money? A girk pulling in 3k a month "regularly" I would assume she wasn't just going out to dinner and smiling at them. Just keeping it real here.


.... Now if that's the case, (Which I'm sure it is) They're not that smart. What is the difference between meeting some guy online for an sb/sd sexual arrangement and being an escort and demanding x amount of money? Someone please enlighten me here.

naughtia
10-24-2010, 02:01 PM
These ladies you are referring to.. Do they have sex for this amount of money? A girk pulling in 3k a month "regularly" I would assume she wasn't just going out to dinner and smiling at them. Just keeping it real here.


.... Now if that's the case, (Which I'm sure it is) They're not that smart. What is the difference between meeting some guy online for an sb/sd sexual arrangement and being an escort and demanding x amount of money? Someone please enlighten me here.

No difference. Sugarbabies are like escorts, but have a more selective clientele. So instead of seeing dozens clients, they have 2 or 3 regulards. And instead of Eros and Cityvibe, they advertise on sugar daddy sites.com. ;D

Sugardaddie.com is okay. I signed a long ago when the site was new and got grandfathered in, so my account is free. I check my messages from time to time but so many of those guys make my BS meter go off. Honestly the fact that both men and women pay doesn't mean there's an absence of scammers and time wasters on both sides.

Honestly if one is serious about finding a sugardaddy they're better off attending upscale events and attracting a well moneyed male. "How To Marry The Rich" by Ginie Polo Sayles is a great resource on how to meet rich men. Also check out "Sugardaddy 101" by Leidra Lawson. It's a pretty good read, although she makes the process seem a little too simplistic, IMO.

KaylaM
10-24-2010, 02:12 PM
No difference. Sugarbabies are like escorts, but have a more selective clientele. So instead of seeing dozens clients, they have 2 or 3 regulards. And instead of Eros and Cityvibe, they advertise on sugar daddy sites.com. ;D

Thanks!

Though I knew the answer after the majority of this board have admitted to sleeping with their sugar daddies. They're not a sugarbaby when they're sleeping with them. They're a hookers, prostitutes.. not even considered "escorts"..



Sugardaddie.com is okay. I signed a long ago when the site was new and got grandfathered in, so my account is free. I check my messages from time to time but so many of those guys make my BS meter go off. Honestly the fact that both men and women pay doesn't mean there's an absence of scammers and time wasters on both sides.

Exactly!


Honestly if one is serious about finding a sugardaddy they're better off attending upscale events and attracting a well moneyed male. "How To Marry The Rich" by Ginie Polo Sayles is a great resource on how to meet rich men. Also check out "Sugardaddy 101" by Leidra Lawson. It's a pretty good read, although she makes the process seem a little too simplistic, IMO.

Thank you! I have said this numerous times! If you're looking for a rich man you need to think like a rich man. .. If you were a rich man what would you do for fun? where would you hang out? Gold and country clubs come to mind! So why not go to golf tournaments OR even go as far as learning how to play golf and getting a membership at a country club. You're not going to find them sitting at the waffle house... LOL!
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Not only that.. One has to take care of themselves a great deal! If you're trying to attract a man ...what do you do? You gotta look good! Look Chic! I am not saying go and splurge on designers. My cousin is a goodwill shopper .. she goes there and puts outfits together for $20 total and comes out looking like a billion bucks! Please don't think you'll attract a rich man/sugardaddy looking like CRAP! Even when going to the gas station look HOT because you never know! Just FYI I have found most of my SDs at gas stations.. it never fails!

KaylaM
10-24-2010, 02:20 PM
www .jeanne-smith. com/[/url] This is one smart ass lady!

naughtia
10-24-2010, 02:25 PM
Thanks!


Thank you! I have said this numerous times! If you're looking for a rich man you need to think like a rich man. .. If you were a rich man what would you do for fun? where would you hang out? Gold and country clubs come to mind! So why not go to golf tournaments OR even go as far as learning how to play golf and getting a membership at a country club. You're not going to find them sitting at the waffle house... LOL!
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Not only that.. One has to take care of themselves a great deal! If you're trying to attract a man ...what do you do? You gotta look good! Look Chic! I am not saying go and splurge on designers. My cousin is a goodwill shopper .. she goes there and puts outfits together for $20 total and comes out looking like a billion bucks! Please don't think you'll attract a rich man/sugardaddy looking like CRAP! Even when going to the gas station look HOT because you never know! Just FYI I have found most of my SDs at gas stations.. it never fails!

Whoa, a lot of typos in my last post. Sorry guys.

Anyway Kayla we think so much alike people are going believe we're the same person! ;D

Seriously though ladies, try freestyling. I just moved to a new city (really got to update my location tag!) but you better believe after I get settled I will be going where the guys with money go! Not all rich men hang out on the internet in their spare time!

KaylaM
10-24-2010, 02:30 PM
Whoa, a lot of typos in my last post. Sorry guys.

Anyway Kayla we think so much alike people are going believe we're the same person! ;D

Seriously though ladies, try freestyling. I just moved to a new city (really got to update my location tag!) but you better believe after I get settled I will be going where the guys with money go! Not all rich men hang out on the internet in their spare time!

LMAO I know!

I was just going to say we're going to have to meet one of these days!

Lol @ not all rich men hangout on the internet. That is for damn sure!

xGigi
10-25-2010, 07:08 AM
Though I knew the answer after the majority of this board have admitted to sleeping with their sugar daddies. They're not a sugarbaby when they're sleeping with them. They're a hookers, prostitutes.. not even considered "escorts"..

I don't know about that. I've never slept with any of my SDs, but if I did I wouldn't really consider it prostitution because at that point I would have gotten to REALLY know them. I would sleep with one if I considered him a friend whom I trusted and happened to help me out financially. Would that make me a prostitute? Granted it's not as professional as escorting, I don't think it's quite prostitution. Hypothetically of course, like I said I'm not cut out to sleep with a person I'm not attracted to.

I'm not saying there aren't "sugar babies" who are prostitutes because I know there are, but in my case at least I don't feel like I would ever go that low.

KaylaM
10-25-2010, 07:33 AM
I don't know about that. I've never slept with any of my SDs, but if I did I wouldn't really consider it prostitution because at that point I would have gotten to REALLY know them. I would sleep with one if I considered him a friend whom I trusted and happened to help me out financially. Would that make me a prostitute? Granted it's not as professional as escorting, I don't think it's quite prostitution. Hypothetically of course, like I said I'm not cut out to sleep with a person I'm not attracted to.

I'm not saying there aren't "sugar babies" who are prostitutes because I know there are, but in my case at least I don't feel like I would ever go that low.

Ok so I have clients that contact me months before I meet them. I mean 6 months in advance. During that time we re emailing back and forth getting to know each other... THEN we meet and he pays me x amount of money to sleep with him. Am I still an escort? Yes.

I also have clients that are super attractive and dont have time to date... They pay me and I sleep with them.. Am I still an escort-hooker? Yes.

Sex for pay is prostitution. No matter how you look at it. I know lots of ladies that sleep with men for money but once you call them a prostitute its "No Im not!" ... They can be in denial all they want but the truth is there whether or not they choose to accept it.

There are LOTS of escorts that DO NOT advertise. They are UTR (Under the radar) .. They get business by word of mouth.. are they still escorts-hookers-prostitutes? Yes.

(I have taken a hiatus from escorting by the way)

xGigi
10-25-2010, 07:39 AM
I was just confused at what you said because it sounded like you considered yourself an escort and NOT a prostitute.

either way, sugar baby, escort, street corner hooker, I'm not cut out to sleep with strangers. Not that I have a moral problem with it, I just can't pretend to be sexually attracted to a person. at the strip club, I can pretend to LIKE someone, but if he tries to do anything I'm like "Ew no go away"

KaylaM
10-25-2010, 07:51 AM
I was just confused at what you said because it sounded like you considered yourself an escort and NOT a prostitute.

either way, sugar baby, escort, street corner hooker, I'm not cut out to sleep with strangers. Not that I have a moral problem with it, I just can't pretend to be sexually attracted to a person. at the strip club, I can pretend to LIKE someone, but if he tries to do anything I'm like "Ew no go away"

L M A O.

I have never said such since I have been escorting/posting on sw. I am a proud escort/prostitute/hooker.

My point was someone that sleeps with someone for money is a prostitute. There is not ifs, buts or ands about it. It's just that way. Doesn't matter how long you've known the person or if you're attracted to the person or not. That was the point I was trying to make. Just FYI an escort is a prostitute that advertises, a hooker is a prostitute.. it's all the same thing.

xGigi
10-25-2010, 08:01 AM
more power to you for that. I couldn't do what you do. I imagine your customers must be older most of the time and not very attractive. I won't ask for details but how do you like...deal with it...if the guy is just plain gross?

KaylaM
10-25-2010, 08:17 AM
more power to you for that. I couldn't do what you do. I imagine your customers must be older most of the time and not very attractive. I won't ask for details but how do you like...deal with it...if the guy is just plain gross?

Why does everyone think that the guys are just "Plain gross"? That is not true. I have never had a " Plain gross" client. My clients consist of doctors, lawyers, financial advisors that just happen to take damn good care of themselves. Don't forget with money... comes good upkeep. I have had ONE overweight client.. Unfortunately he was a little tooo overweight that I couldn't feel anything and it kept sliding off so it didn't happen... :-) (you wanted details didn't you?)

I have never had a guy that I found downright unattractive expect that one overweight guy. how do I /How did I do it? Well I found something I liked about each and every single one of them. Whether it had to do with their job, their house, their eyes, their lips, the way they smelled... I found something and I played on it. The best providers could be award winning actresses. They are damn good at making the guy feel like he's the ONLY one and they bank off of it. This is what I did... This is why I bank as an FBSM provider and I banked as an escort.

Sure its not for everyone ... though LOTS of girls say "ew" "gross" but yet that same girl will find a guy she's attracted to , meet him one night and fuck him for free. I rather meet a guy one night and fuck him for $500. Dumb is just dumb.

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xGigi
10-25-2010, 08:27 AM
I never knew it was like THAT. I could handle sleeping with a guy who was older but still attractive. I'm a dancer and the first thing that comes to mind is the nasty fucks who come to my club who are overweight, smell bad, gross teeth, greasy, bad breath, etc who are like "come with me to a hotel I'll give you a hundred dollars" and I'm like "uhhhhhhhhhhh NO!"

KaylaM
10-25-2010, 08:38 AM
I never knew it was like THAT. I could handle sleeping with a guy who was older but still attractive. I'm a dancer and the first thing that comes to mind is the nasty fucks who come to my club who are overweight, smell bad, gross teeth, greasy, bad breath, etc who are like "come with me to a hotel I'll give you a hundred dollars" and I'm like "uhhhhhhhhhhh NO!"

See that's what i've been saying for months on this board.

Certain types of escorts attract a certain type of man. The escort that charges $50 "backdoor special" is not going to get a doctor. Hell no! He is actually scared of her! She'll get some fat trucker or some dirty average joe. The escort that charges $500-$800 an hour isn't going to get the fat trucker or the average joe blow because they CANNOT afford her. It's all a game of price. A higher rate per hour attract a different type of man. Do you really think joe blow down the street is going to pay $500 to fuck me? no. He rather jerk off.. hello pay-per-view!

High end escorts are a luxury!

A client flew down here to see me. He worked for Freddie Mac back in the day. I asked him.. how did you find me? He said " It was easy to find you" I said "How?" He said "Well you're the only black escort in the charlotte area that isn't charging $200 an hour I don't want to see someone that charges that low. anyone can have her" .. I fell in love at that moment.

oOH and get this he was 37.. and so. fucking. sexy!

krystel_gotti
11-25-2010, 11:47 AM
Ok this is interesting to me, I have read alot of the response to this post and see that most of agree that it is easier said then done to get a sugar daddy but I think I have some real advice to catching a real one...
1. The sugar daddy websites, some are legit and verify your not wasting your time on some broke liar weathy men.com I believe is one that actually does this, and it is free to check and send messages to vip members which I feel like the guys should all pay for in order to hear back from us lol
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2. You ladies need to invest in yourselfs, I have heard friends complain about not being able to meet a quality rich guy but then they look crappy alot of time, have pix of them they took on their cell phones and wear cheap clothes lol you need to look the part ladies, make sure in your pictures you look good but not slutty, other wise he is going to try and pay you for sex right off or try and get it for free
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3. When you do go on your first meeting have him meet you at a nice resturant make that guys spend like 200 bills on even coming out, be classy dress high class make sure everything is fresh, your hair, your nails, clean shoes and purse when you do this he is going to think "oh man this is a real high class girl and she is serious about a sugar daddy relationship" also he is going to know it aint gonna be cheap from the start!
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4. Take care of your body and make sure you are attractive, hate to say it but it's not easy for heavy girls and girls that aren't all that cute to pull a good sd, they all want girls that look like movie star, you are supose to be a head turner so you gotta get it together. :) We can do ladies!
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5. Then how to spot time wasters, talk with them online until you are comfortable make arrangements for the first meeting like I said at a classy upscale $$$ place and if he makes excuses or trys to take you some place cheap cut him... when you do go out and have you meeting make the first one during the day, don't play with your safety this guy is a stranger!
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6. Be nice and pleasent but let him know what it is you want and what you are willing to give in exchange, high ball first to make room for some nego. but have your bare bottom and stay strong and serious about what you and your time is worth :)
Those are the basics... lol at least with me... Oh and it helps if you try and pick guys you are attracted to... It ain't easy smiling in a dirty old mans face all night lol