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Kellydancer
10-25-2010, 09:26 PM
The church bribes the people who CAN NOT provide for their child with baby shower gifts. What about the poor, poor little thing when the church has it's little victory? They saved the life. The child is born. SEE YA! Those maniacs stand outside abortion clinics and lie.
I am pro-abortion. Pro-choice is just a nice way of saying "you can get an abortion, but I'll judge you for it later." It seems that the people who have said they are pro-choice lean to the right.
I have never murdered anyone, but I have had two abortions.
To be fair the Catholic church has a history of helping the poor. I'm sure there are Catholics who protest outside abortion clinics, but most of the articles I've seen about this mention most who protest are in fact protestants (in particular fundamentalists). I don't think pro choice means judging. Yes I judge women who use it as a a form of birth control (knew someone like that) but women who have abortions because of rape? I agree with them. I am not pro abortion because I do feel it's a situation one shouldn't take lightly.
JayATee
10-25-2010, 09:27 PM
Ill be honest, I only read some of the posts BUT here is how I feel........Im against abortion UNLESS the doctors know for a fact that the baby will suffer in life. I feel that if i was pregnant and it came down to me having a healthy baby and dieing or aborting the baby to live....id have the baby. Because when they have a heartbeat...its a person no matter what anybody says. I feel that if you dont want to get pregnant then dont have sex bc w/ sex comes responsibility. In motherhood it comes natural to put ur child first...when u become pregnant u become a MOTHER so why put urself first? if you know u cant afford the baby there is always adoption just why kill it?? anyways i think if anyone is thinking of abortion they should google the abortion videos and actually watch it happen!! ill get off my soapbox now. and i know not everyone is going to think like me but im just putting my opinion out there.
I totally respect this pov. But while you can say this is how you feel, the choice should still be there for anyone who doesn't share the same pov.
nicole84
10-25-2010, 09:33 PM
i admit im on an extreme. until it is born, it, technically, is a parasite. if you want to get rid f it, do it.
to each their own. if you dont want one, dont get one. if you want one, go for it without feeling guilty.
i know 100% if i found out i was pregnant, it;d be gone as soon as physically possible.
i think your body is your body. end of story. i dont get to tell you what to do with it as long as you are mentally capable of making the choice.
sorry, i am just extremely adamant about this. then again, i am involved with enough "outside the norm" stuff that lots of nice republican housewives would have me burned at the stake as it is.
ok, and i've had a few drinks, so i might be being more blunt than i normally would be.
Kellydancer
10-25-2010, 09:43 PM
I wanted to mention a story. A friend of mine had an abortion when she was 16. I doubt even her husband knows because he is staunchly Catholic (she is too). She tells me she feels bad but she knows she had no other choice. Her parents would have been disappointed in her and she had issues with the guy she was dating then (not her husband). I'm one of the few friends she told because she knew I'd understand and I do.
I saw a documentary called "12th and Delaware" on HBO about the pro-life/anti-abortion/church organization and an abortion clinic. I have experienced both the church organization and abortion clinic firsthand. One of these groups are deceitful and use scare tactics--it isn't the abortion clinic!
I always say that I am pro-choice. I just think that some of the people on this board claiming to be pro-choice are confused. Their comments seem very much anti-abortion/"pro-life."
I'm curious what you mean by this. If you mean me (or anyone who shares the same viewpoint) that's exactly what the guy I love said too. He thinks I am more prolife than I realize. I am fine with that because it's my view. Years ago I would have been more open to abortion but as I get older I realize any pregnancy might be my last chance for a baby. However, I do not feel I have the right to tell another woman what she can do with her body and that is pro choice.
Christany
10-25-2010, 10:06 PM
They say the reason the male birth control pill has been stalled for so long is that research has continually indicated that men generally say they wouldn't be willing to take it and put up with the regimen and potential side effects. I have to wonder why men like brainwrecked, if they're really interested in having more control over their reproductive destiny, aren't fighting to get the male birth control pill on the market. Could it be that he, like so many other men, isn't interested in having greater control over preventing pregnancy if it actually means putting up with the same things women have had to put up with for decades now? I suppose it would be so much easier to just be able to do whatever you want, legally opt out, and never worry about it again while someone else deals with the messy reality of it all.
Thank you for bringing this up. I got really curious about what some possible incentives might be for men to take male contraceptives (outside of being paid to participate in a medical study). I found this article:
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2007/11/14/male-birth-control-pill-stops-sperm-in-brain/
and the scientific abstract:
http://abstracts.aapspharmaceutica.com/ExpoAAPS07/CC/forms/attendee/index.aspx?content=sessionInfo&sessionId=618
(http://abstracts.aapspharmaceutica.com/ExpoAAPS07/CC/forms/attendee/index.aspx?content=sessionInfo&sessionId=618)
I've always figured that men might be deterred from male contraceptives since they don't want to lose muscle mass due to decreased testosterone. Apparently, they seem to be working on a drug that will actually help boost muscle mass. They're still working out some other side effects though.
sugartaste
10-26-2010, 12:12 AM
100% pro choice, no questions asked.
shaebabii
10-26-2010, 09:23 AM
I totally respect this pov. But while you can say this is how you feel, the choice should still be there for anyone who doesn't share the same pov.
It's the woman's body and I completely understand that she will do what she wants with it. Like I said not everyone will see it like I do. But for the
ones on here that have had an abortion or even the women that have had abortions on the outside world, Im sorry but I look down on that. I think it's wrong in every way. To me even if I was raped..I would keep the baby bc I feel that God put that baby inside me for a reason. Which I know a lot of women on here believe there is no God and i guess that's thier business but this is how I feel once again.
For example I also think using Meth is wrong but hey there seems to be meth heads on this board too that will sit there and argue and say how they think its right. whatev.....just stating my opinion.
I definitely agree it should be done in the first trimester.
Is there any reason to wait until the final months??
A friend of mines 15 yo sister just got pregnant, she didn't even know she was pregnant till the second trimester.
JayATee
10-26-2010, 09:58 AM
^ Not that I don't believe that, but I just gotta wonder how you don't know. Both times I knew before I even took the test.
_Avery_
10-26-2010, 10:52 AM
A friend of mines 15 yo sister just got pregnant, she didn't even know she was pregnant till the second trimester.
I really don't understand how you wouldn't know you weren't pregnant.
I do understand at 15, maybe her cycle is still irregular, but no sickness, no sore breasts, just...not even a feeling??
I watch that show I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant, and it seriously just blows my mind.
I guess I'm grateful to have a healthy and normal body and that I know my body. I know when something is different/wrong.
It's just bizarre to me that these women don't know something is different with their bodies.
flickad
10-26-2010, 10:56 AM
It's the woman's body and I completely understand that she will do what she wants with it. Like I said not everyone will see it like I do. But for the
ones on here that have had an abortion or even the women that have had abortions on the outside world, Im sorry but I look down on that. I think it's wrong in every way. To me even if I was raped..I would keep the baby bc I feel that God put that baby inside me for a reason. Which I know a lot of women on here believe there is no God and i guess that's thier business but this is how I feel once again.
For example I also think using Meth is wrong but hey there seems to be meth heads on this board too that will sit there and argue and say how they think its right. whatev.....just stating my opinion.
I guess it's fine for pro-choice people to look down on you then for your spurious argument that a woman should put a blastocyst which is incapable of feeling pain of any kind before her own life (thereby eventually birthing a motherless infant and not, in fact, putting its real interests first).
JayATee
10-26-2010, 10:56 AM
I really don't understand how you wouldn't know you weren't pregnant.
I do understand at 15, maybe her cycle is still irregular, but no sickness, no sore breasts, just...not even a feeling??
I watch that show I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant, and it seriously just blows my mind.
I guess I'm grateful to have a healthy and normal body and that I know my body. I know when something is different/wrong.
It's just bizarre to me that these women don't know something is different with their bodies.
Exactly. I'm soooooo in tune with my body. I know when somethings "off". It's interesting, I even start to move differently when I'm pregnant.
_Avery_
10-26-2010, 10:57 AM
I always say that I am pro-choice. I just think that some of the people on this board claiming to be pro-choice are confused. Their comments seem very much anti-abortion/"pro-life."
Maybe I'm not exactly sure where I am. I don't want to label myself "pro choice" or "pro life".....because there's so many "what if's" for both labels.
I just know for me, I couldn't have an abortion unless there was something wrong with it.
I do know that if someone chooses abortion, I wouldn't try to stop them.
However, I would hope it would be done ASAP rather than waiting until the last minute.
And, like kelly said, it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.
My mom had 3 abortions, and it's like....why not just get on birth control?!
I would have had 5 siblings, instead of the 2 I have....it's weird to think about that.
I understand health risks can occur, and that, I totally understand....but I read a story where this woman decided she wanted an abortion because she wanted to go to a rock concert. :-\
flickad
10-26-2010, 11:03 AM
^
People who terminate pregnancies for reasons like that are rare, but in the end it's their body and their life.
Besides, would you really want a woman like that parenting a child?
_Avery_
10-26-2010, 11:04 AM
^
People who terminate pregnancies for reasons like that are rare, but in the end it's their body and their life.
Besides, would you really want a woman like that parenting a child?
That's a good point.
Kellydancer
10-26-2010, 11:34 AM
Maybe I'm not exactly sure where I am. I don't want to label myself "pro choice" or "pro life".....because there's so many "what if's" for both labels.
I just know for me, I couldn't have an abortion unless there was something wrong with it.
I do know that if someone chooses abortion, I wouldn't try to stop them.
However, I would hope it would be done ASAP rather than waiting until the last minute.
And, like kelly said, it shouldn't be used as a form of birth control.
My mom had 3 abortions, and it's like....why not just get on birth control?!
I would have had 5 siblings, instead of the 2 I have....it's weird to think about that.
I understand health risks can occur, and that, I totally understand....but I read a story where this woman decided she wanted an abortion because she wanted to go to a rock concert. :-\
I once knew a woman (stereotypical stripper to boot) who used abortion as a form of birth control. It's cases like hers where I can't justify abortions. I had a friend who got pregnant under terrible situations (married man who was older than her mother) and I tried to persuade her to abort but she kept it. Long story short but she was on welfare until she frauded it. I agree with what one of the politicians said that it should be legal, safe and rare.
countedcrow
10-26-2010, 11:37 AM
I found myself in a situation where I had gotten a woman pregnant and she wanted to keep the baby, and I didn't want her to have it. I was young, foolish, and didn't think I was anywhere near mature enough to be a father. I told her what my opinion was, the reasons behind them, and then let her know that I understood it was her body, and the final choice was hers, and I would respect and support that choice.
My son turned 18 two months ago. His life has completely changed my attitude on abortion. I have always been pro choice, but years ago I really thought that abortion was a clear way to fix a "mistake".
Now, I would hope a woman would choose to have a baby, but understanding everone's life is different can be sympathetic when that isn't the decision that is made.
As an aside to some other comments made throught this thread, not for one moment have I thought that since I didn't have they final say on the choice that was made did I feel I should bear no responsibility of my child's life. Whether that responsibilty be financial, emotional, or whatnot.
JayATee
10-26-2010, 11:43 AM
I once knew a woman (stereotypical stripper to boot) who used abortion as a form of birth control. It's cases like hers where I can't justify abortions. I had a friend who got pregnant under terrible situations (married man who was older than her mother) and I tried to persuade her to abort but she kept it. Long story short but she was on welfare until she frauded it. I agree with what one of the politicians said that it should be legal, safe and rare.
I have a friend who does this. It makes me sick. I've had my one fuck up. I believe I was entitled to one, and I'll never have another one. If I ever get pregnant again I'm keeping it.
shaebabii
10-26-2010, 11:48 AM
I guess it's fine for pro-choice people to look down on you then for your spurious argument that a woman should put a blastocyst which is incapable of feeling pain of any kind before her own life (thereby eventually birthing a motherless infant and not, in fact, putting its real interests first).
Honestly I couldnt give a shit less about someone looking down on me for my choices in life just like i wouldnt expect the aborters to give a shit about me looking down on them. So if you're tryin to get me there..u failed hun.
And just how do u know that the baby feels no pain?? in some of the videos you can see the baby actually tryin to get away from the needle and then in the other cases when idiot pregnant women wait too long and the baby is actually pulled apart like Avery pointed out..you cant tell me that baby doesnt feel it.
_Avery_
10-26-2010, 11:50 AM
My son turned 18 two months ago. His life has completely changed my attitude on abortion. I have always been pro choice, but years ago I really thought that abortion was a clear way to fix a "mistake".
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I definitely think that having a kid makes people lean a little more to the "pro life" side.
When I was pregnant with my son, my husband (boyfriend at the time) wanted me to get an abortion, his mom offered to pay for a cruise if I got an abortion, people at my work were like "wtf, you're too young"...(I was 22), but I just couldn't do it.
Now that's he's here, healthy, happy and the best thing in my life, everyone is glad I didn't give into their wishes. I couldn't imagine my life without him, and now they couldn't either.
Kellydancer
10-26-2010, 11:51 AM
I have a friend who does this. It makes me sick. I've had my one fuck up. I believe I was entitled to one, and I'll never have another one. If I ever get pregnant again I'm keeping it.
Mistakes happen to all of us, some result in abortions, some other things (not always pregnancy just in general). My point being even with birth control I've known people who have become pregnant. That's why when I hear of a woman who had an abortion I don't give it any thought unless it's cases where it's the birth control. To me these women are heartless and like mentioned above I guess it's better they abort because they would be terrible mothers. I once met several of the founders of NARAL and some of the stories they told me made me realize I was glad abortion was legal. One got pregnant from a gang rape, another would have died without having an abortion, another became sterile from having a back alley abortion.
JayATee
10-26-2010, 11:53 AM
Mistakes happen to all of us, some result in abortions, some other things (not always pregnancy just in general). My point being even with birth control I've known people who have become pregnant. That's why when I hear of a woman who had an abortion I don't give it any thought unless it's cases where it's the birth control. To me these women are heartless and like mentioned above I guess it's better they abort because they would be terrible mothers. I once met several of the founders of NARAL and some of the stories they told me made me realize I was glad abortion was legal. One got pregnant from a gang rape, another would have died without having an abortion, another became sterile from having a back alley abortion.
I was commenting on abortion as birth control. I'm very hardcore pro-choice for all the reasons you listed.
Elvia
10-26-2010, 12:47 PM
I once knew a woman (stereotypical stripper to boot) who used abortion as a form of birth control. It's cases like hers where I can't justify abortions. I had a friend who got pregnant under terrible situations (married man who was older than her mother) and I tried to persuade her to abort but she kept it. Long story short but she was on welfare until she frauded it. I agree with what one of the politicians said that it should be legal, safe and rare.
It's kind of fallacious to say abortion shouldn't be used as a method of birth control. Abortion is, by it's very purpose, a method of birth control. If you mean that it shouldn't be someone's exclusive form of birth control, well, I really really doubt that's happening regularly enough to be talked about as much as it is. There's really no sound reason any logical woman would choose abortion as her primary method of birth control. As far as birth control goes, abortion is the mose expensive, time consuming, invasive, painful, and mentally stressful. I had to wonder if the person you're talking about had some sort of mental issues that led to her situation.
Kellydancer
10-26-2010, 01:28 PM
It's kind of fallacious to say abortion shouldn't be used as a method of birth control. Abortion is, by it's very purpose, a method of birth control. If you mean that it shouldn't be someone's exclusive form of birth control, well, I really really doubt that's happening regularly enough to be talked about as much as it is. There's really no sound reason any logical woman would choose abortion as her primary method of birth control. As far as birth control goes, abortion is the mose expensive, time consuming, invasive, painful, and mentally stressful. I had to wonder if the person you're talking about had some sort of mental issues that led to her situation.
She had 5 abortions that I know of because she never used condoms or pills. Unfortunately there are women like her. I'm sure they are the exception but they are out there. She was a nutjob.
KS_Stevia
10-26-2010, 04:33 PM
Where I come from, abortion was more accessible than birth control. I think its getting better now.
http://www.rferl.org/content/Abortion_Remains_Top_Birth_Control_Option_Russia/1145849.html
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB5055/index1.html
Austinrox
10-26-2010, 08:03 PM
Pregnancy was a (and still is) a life-threatening situation for me personally. I have had only one abortion due to health reasons around 2004. In 2006, I became pregnant again and I looked at it as though..."Well, I have already dealt with it "that way" before", so for it to happen again, I felt it was suppose to happen at that time and I chose to go through with the pregnancy. In doing that I also had to choose to:
-give myself injections of blood thinners in my stomach until two days before I was due
-suffer horrible headaches and dissy spells from the blood thinners
-constantly worry about not going into natural labor early and bleed to death (a baby will come out when it wishes to)
-blood-thinner injections are very expensive and many pharmacies don't carry them on hand, I had many times when I had to go a day or two without the medicine until "the rest" of them came in because the pharmacy didn't have enough on hand :(
AND, I am still kinda shocked I lived through all that....
I just dealt with both situations the way I felt it was best for me at those times, and I believe women should be allowed the option to choose. Unfortunately, our bodies will not always cooperate with what is best for us :-\
StripperWeb
10-26-2010, 08:12 PM
Brainwrek has been permanently banned. This thread has been cleaned up. I do still see worth in the topic and many members have made good contributions. Let's keep it on the up and up and I'll keep it open. If it nosedives, I'll shut it down.
babyjane
10-26-2010, 11:33 PM
Well, I look at abortion as a last result. My sister had gotten a shot and accidently got pregnant, then found out the baby would be blind with missing limbs. She already had three kids and was only 22, she couldn't handle that.
But I honestly have no idea what I'd do if I was pregnant at all. I think I have tokophobia and I'm terrified of pregnancy. Like I'd be ok with the baby itself but I view baby's more like parasite aliens and they creep me out. I HATE seeing pictures of fetuses and labor scenes in movies almost make me throw up.
I really should get my tubes tied.
flickad
10-26-2010, 11:38 PM
Honestly I couldnt give a shit less about someone looking down on me for my choices in life just like i wouldnt expect the aborters to give a shit about me looking down on them. So if you're tryin to get me there..u failed hun.
And just how do u know that the baby feels no pain?? in some of the videos you can see the baby actually tryin to get away from the needle and then in the other cases when idiot pregnant women wait too long and the baby is actually pulled apart like Avery pointed out..you cant tell me that baby doesnt feel it.
I know it doesn't (at least for quite some months into the pregnancy) because it's not possible to feel pain before the central nervous system has developed. The Silent Scream shows reflex movements and, like just about all pro-life propaganda, is disingenuous. You'll see reflex movements if you poke bacteria as well, yet people like yourself never argue for the right to life of parasitic virii. I guess God didn't intend for you to get swine flu in the same way that he, say, intended the pregnancies of the mothers of Stalin, Hitler and Ted Bundy.
I'm not interested in 'getting' you. Your life has nothing to do with mine, and if you choose to never terminate a pregnancy (even if it's life-threatening or an ectopic one) then I say good luck to you. I'm simply pointing out that if you're going to start openly making judgements about the choices of others, then those judgements are going to go both ways (with regard to your publicly stated ill-considered opinions rather than your life choices, since your life choices are your own business) and the giant leaps of logic that purport to support your judgemental statements are going to be exposed.
flickad
10-26-2010, 11:53 PM
I definitely think that having a kid makes people lean a little more to the "pro life" side.
When I was pregnant with my son, my husband (boyfriend at the time) wanted me to get an abortion, his mom offered to pay for a cruise if I got an abortion, people at my work were like "wtf, you're too young"...(I was 22), but I just couldn't do it.
Now that's he's here, healthy, happy and the best thing in my life, everyone is glad I didn't give into their wishes. I couldn't imagine my life without him, and now they couldn't either.
Really depends on the individual. I have a family member who had two abortions after having two children, and there's no-one who thinks she made the wrong decision in the circumstances, herself included. She would have ended up in a psychiatric institution (she was on the edge as it was) and the children who actually did exist would have been put into care.
MarvelGirl
10-27-2010, 01:51 AM
I'm pro choice and if I ever get pregnant, I'll be having an abortion. Of course, I would have to be raped for that to happen so yeah... I'm not going to carry a rape baby under any circumstances. If I were forced to, I'm pretty sure I'd slit my own throat long before the nine months was up.
I love my husband and I desperately wanted our son but the 9 1/2 months I was pregnant with him was pure hell. Pregnancy is not easy for some of us. No way in hell would I risk my life or risk leaving my son motherless to have a baby I don't want.
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 01:54 AM
I am pro choice.
I think there should be a limit on how many abortions a woman can get. I think 3 abortions per woman would do this world a lot of good. There are some women that use abortion as their ONLY method of birth control which is wrong. Yes they tell you abortion is safer than carrying a pregnancy to term but abortion DOES alot of harm to the body after you've gotten so many. My friend's mom can't have babies now because of the amount of abortions she's had.
I also think that 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions should be discontinued. If I had it my way they wouldn't even be offered ALTHOUGH I was going to get a 3rd trimester abortion once, I also contemplated giving the baby up for adoption but I couldn't and went through with the pregnancy. Someone asked why carry a baby that long and abort, I can give you one reason: LOTS of young women are in denial for several months before they accept the fact that they're pregnant. I was in denial for six months. I kept telling myself I had some disorder..even going as far as researching diseases that would make my period stop and stomach bigger. .. Yeah! LOL.
I feel abortion should be used only in cases where the girl has been raped or the doctors know the child will be born with a major disorder. It is 2010, The plan b pill is now available and I have used once. It is used within 72 hours of unprotected sex... there should be no more unwanted pregnancies. The pill costs $75... Abortions are $300 an up. Which makes more sense?
missplayful
10-27-2010, 03:29 AM
Honestly i got 2 abortions and first one was accident i was 19 and my bf freaked out and did not help me second one was happened with different bf even though i used birth control pills.
Some cultures doesnt allow u to get baby without marrige. In my country Turkey there are no single mothers without marriege maybe 5% of entire country. I t would be so hard to raise that kid because literrally those kids called bastard and abused by another people and kids.I really did not wanna get married with my bf pluss i was very young and my family would not like the pregnacy idea without no marrige.
Some places have a different culture.FOR example i have a Korean friend and she had to get abortion because her family would not accept either. Some cultures definetly against child birth without marriege. No of course nobody s gonna get legally punished but will be judged by community and abuse entire of life.. which is hard the live that way.
By the way i am married rite now and still havent decide yet for a baby and had to use those B plan pills one time. Actually sold at local Target only for 45 $ which is cool. not even 75$ pretty cheap better than abortion and cheaper same time!
Actually i never understand in America girls complain about being single mother and how their life is hard because they cant afford baby. Mostly yes guys are asshole and they dont wanna help to mother . These girls easily can get abortion but they keep breeding regardless. I had a co worker keep complainin about her baby daddy and being single mother but wait couple months later she is pregnant again Abortion of course not a birth control but sometimes might be right decision
babyjane
10-27-2010, 04:04 AM
I am pro choice.
I also think that 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions should be discountinued. If I had it my way they wouldn't even be offered ALTHOUGH I was going to get a 3rd trimester abortion once, I also contemplated giving the baby up for adoption but I couldn't and went through with the pregnancy. Someone asked why carry a baby that long and abort, I can give you once reason: LOTS of young women are in denial for several months before they accept the fact that they're pregnant. I was in denial for six months. I kept telling myself I had some disorder..even going as far as researching diseases that would make my period stop and stomach bigger. .. Yeah! LOL.
I feel abortion should be used only in cases where the girl has been raped or the doctors know the child will be born with a major disorder. It is 2010, The plan b pill is now available and I have used once. It is used within 72 hours of unprotected sex... there should be no more unwanted pregnancies. The pill costs $75... Abortions are $300 an up. Which makes more sense?
I applaud you for having your baby. I really don't believe in abortions if the fetus is old enough to be a premie (sp?) and live. I can understand first trimester where it's basically just cells still, but I knew a girl who gave birth at 6 months and the baby was fine.
I'm also against partial birth abortions. I mean WTF!? By that point there is no denying, it is a BABY and can feel pain. I don't know how a mother can carry her baby 9 months and then off it. ugh.
Plan B is great though, I had to take it once. It kind of sucks though because I was insanely sick from it, it messed up my period schedule, and I used all my money ($150) to pay some kid to buy it because I was underage and he was the only person I knew who wasn't and I wasn't going to a clinic.
You can't fix stupid though. My sister had her first kid because she thought jumping up and down after sex would work. Then she had two more kids. This was in the 90's, she came from an upper middle class white home, and she was 18. Plus my mom had gotten her a BC prescription. /facepalm
missplayful
10-27-2010, 04:15 AM
I am against for Abortions if baby would feel pain. First semester probably baby still will be cell and no pain. After 2 and a half months absolutly would be harder and would be painful.
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 04:22 AM
^^ Thank you babyjane. It was the hardest decision I had to make.. but after I had her I realized not going through the the abortion/adoption was the best decision I have ever made.
People don't realize what they do to themselves when they get abortions. Yes I am all for abortions but I am also very educated about the procedure. There are a lot of RISKs that come with getting an abortion. Like I said a friend's mom can't have babies now after getting ONLY 3 abortions and She has major health issues. To me that would be the worst thing ever because I plan on getting married and having babies with my husband.
I just can't stand that some people abuse this privilege and damage their bodies as well.
One or two times is fine but the 3rd time? hmmm...
missplayful
10-27-2010, 04:57 AM
i hope we did not get any damage!!!! still i m thinkin even 2 is too much which i am one of these dumb ass chicks . i made same mistakes over over again i could be more careful... i m so scared and confused right now i hope i can still have a healthy baby...
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 05:01 AM
i hope we did not get any damage!!!! still i m thinkin even 2 is too much which i am one of these dumb ass chicks . i made same mistakes over over again i could be more careful... i m so scared and confused right now i hope i can still have a healthy baby...
Hmmm... well .. I am sure you get checkup regularly so you should go see your doctor if you think something's/something could be wrong. I never said anyone who gets more than 3 abortions is damaged I used my friends mom as an example because she is living proof that a certain amount of abortions can do damage to the body .. not only to the body but to the mind (She's out of it)
You did what you had to do for YOU everyone's different and no one is here to judge you. However, If you get checkups regularly you should be fine.. if not and you think something is wrong.. go see a doc.
missplayful
10-27-2010, 05:14 AM
Hmmm... well .. I am sure you get checkup regularly so you should go see your doctor if you think something's/something could be wrong. I never said anyone who gets more than 3 abortions is damaged I used my friends mom as an example because she is living proof that a certain amount of abortions can do damage to the body .. not only to the body but to the mind (She's out of it)
You did what you had to do for YOU everyone's different and no one is here to judge you. However, If you get checkups regularly you should be fine.. if not and you think something is wrong.. go see a doc.
No actually thats good u bring up to the table some possible damages i always been thinkin about possible damage of my body too. My husband mention about it couple times . I asked to my doctor who is military doctor and i really dont think so she is a good one.She did not do any tests she asked about my period and she made a pep smir test she decided i can have a baby lol! i m not satisfied with answers she gave to me. Definetly i will search about it because after my second abortions i had too many problems. MY doctor could not remove the cell totally some pieces was still there and lost too much blood with horrible pain. They needed to repeat my abortion again which literally makes 3 abortion but only 2 baby...
of course sometimes i feel bad i could be more carefull i was young and dumb. i wish i could have them but i could not afford them honestly.
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 05:21 AM
Risks...
Physical Risks
Abortion carries the risk of significant complications such as bleeding, infection, and damage to organs. Serious medical complications occur infrequently in early abortions, but increase with later abortions 16, 17. Getting complete information on the risks associated with abortion is limited due to incomplete reporting and the lack of record-keeping linking abortions to complications. The information that is available reports the following risks.
BLEEDING
Some bleeding after abortion is normal. However, if the cervix is torn or the uterus is punctured, there is a risk of severe bleeding known as hemorrhaging.18, 19, 20 When this happens, a blood transfusion may be required. Severe bleeding is also a risk with the use of the abortion pill: one in 100 women require surgery to stop the bleeding.21
INFECTION
Infection can develop from the insertion of medical instruments into the uterus, or from fetal body parts that are mistakenly left inside (known as an incomplete abortion). This may cause bleeding and a pelvic infection requiring antibiotics and a repeat abortion to fully empty the uterus.22, 23 Infection may cause scarring of the pelvic organs.24, 25 Use of the abortion pill has resulted in the death of a number of women due to sepsis (total body infection).26, 27
DAMAGE TO ORGANS
The cervix and/or uterus may be cut, torn, or damaged by abortion instruments. This may cause excessive bleeding requiring surgical repair.28 Curettes and other abortion instruments may cause permanent scarring of the uterine lining.29 The risk of these types of complications increases with the length of the pregnancy. If complications occur, major surgery may be required, including removal of the uterus (known as a hysterectomy).30 If the uterus is punctured or torn, there is also a risk that damage may occur to nearby organs such as the bowel and bladder.31
DEATH
In extreme cases, complications from abortion (excessive bleeding, infection, organ damage from a perforated uterus, and adverse reactions to anesthesia) may lead to death.32, 33 This complication is rare.
missplayful
10-27-2010, 05:28 AM
i definatly got INFECTION which it was horrible .... i lost tons of blood which i needed more blood otherwise i was about to lose my life almost....
flickad
10-27-2010, 06:36 AM
^^ Thank you babyjane. It was the hardest decision I had to make.. but after I had her I realized not going through the the abortion/adoption was the best decision I have ever made.
People don't realize what they do to themselves when they get abortions. Yes I am all for abortions but I am also very educated about the procedure. There are a lot of RISKs that come with getting an abortion. Like I said a friend's mom can't have babies now after getting ONLY 3 abortions and She has major health issues. To me that would be the worst thing ever because I plan on getting married and having babies with my husband.
I just can't stand that some people abuse this privilege and damage their bodies as well.
One or two times is fine but the 3rd time? hmmm...
This seems a bit odd to me, with all due respect. If you support the choice of the individual (ie you claim to be pro-choice), why does it matter to you if someone damages her body by making a particular choice too many times? Not everyone is bothered by infertility. And repeated childbirth can also cause damage, as can other choices like being sedentary, smoking and eating too much sugar. The point being that if you support a free society, what goes with that is supporting the right of individuals to harm their own health if they so choose. I also feel that bodily integrity is a right as opposed to a privilege, though of course some might differ.
That said, if repeated abortions have indeed been proven to be linked to infertility and other health problems, patients should be informed of that, the same way they should be informed of any statistically significant risk of surgery and medical treatment in general.
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 07:21 AM
This seems a bit odd to me, with all due respect. If you support the choice of the individual (ie you claim to be pro-choice), why does it matter to you if someone damages her body by making a particular choice too many times? Not everyone is bothered by infertility. And repeated childbirth can also cause damage, as can other choices like being sedentary, smoking and eating too much sugar. The point being that if you support a free society, what goes with that is supporting the right of individuals to harm their own health if they so choose. I also feel that bodily integrity is a right as opposed to a privilege, though of course some might differ.
That said, if repeated abortions have indeed been proven to be linked to infertility and other health problems, patients should be informed of that, the same way they should be informed of any statistically significant risk of surgery and medical treatment in general.
Why does it matter to me that someone damages her body? Infertility does not bother everyone ? Are you serious? Honey I will feel that way with ANY sugery .. not only abortions.
I think that it's weird that you think me caring about others hurting themselves is "weird."
KaylaM
10-27-2010, 07:22 AM
That said, if repeated abortions have indeed been proven to be linked to infertility and other health problems, patients should be informed of that, the same way they should be informed of any statistically significant risk of surgery and medical treatment in general.
THEY ARE! You should consider reading an abortion clinic's website.
_Avery_
10-27-2010, 08:07 AM
This seems a bit odd to me, with all due respect. If you support the choice of the individual (ie you claim to be pro-choice), why does it matter to you if someone damages her body by making a particular choice too many times? Not everyone is bothered by infertility. And repeated childbirth can also cause damage, as can other choices like being sedentary, smoking and eating too much sugar. The point being that if you support a free society, what goes with that is supporting the right of individuals to harm their own health if they so choose. I also feel that bodily integrity is a right as opposed to a privilege, though of course some might differ.
That said, if repeated abortions have indeed been proven to be linked to infertility and other health problems, patients should be informed of that, the same way they should be informed of any statistically significant risk of surgery and medical treatment in general.
What I don't understand is why someone wouldn't have safe sex after the first abortion?
Why would anyone WANT to keep having abortions??
The majority of people know the consequences of having sex. I understand that sometimes, things happen. After a first mistake, why wouldn't you do everything you could to protect yourself from that happening again??
I guess to me, it just seems like it would be easier mentally (if anything) to get on the pill, or have protected sex then have the risk of having another pregnancy that you'd terminate. :-\
and don't get me wrong, I do understand that if that's the choice people want to make...then go at it, I guess, I just don't understand why...
SnuffleUffleGrass
10-27-2010, 08:44 AM
Pro-abortion, end of story.
Did you know the legalization of abortion curbed the crime rate in America? Check it out-
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2005/05/15/abortion-and-crime-who-should-you-believe/
Frankly if a parent is not willing to shoulder the burden of proper parenthood, no children should be produced.
flickad
10-27-2010, 09:02 AM
Why does it matter to me that someone damages her body? Infertility does not bother everyone ? Are you serious? Honey I will feel that way with ANY sugery .. not only abortions.
I think that it's weird that you think me caring about others hurting themselves is "weird."
I would personally be fine with being infertile, and I know others who feel that way. I don't find it weird that you care about others but rather that you want to stop them choosing their own blues by force of law at the same time as also being pro-choice. Maybe I should have made that clearer.
I am sorry if I offended you. I honestly meant no disrespect, was just curious as to how you reconcile the two opposing statements.
flickad
10-27-2010, 09:04 AM
What I don't understand is why someone wouldn't have safe sex after the first abortion?
Why would anyone WANT to keep having abortions??
The majority of people know the consequences of having sex. I understand that sometimes, things happen. After a first mistake, why wouldn't you do everything you could to protect yourself from that happening again??
I guess to me, it just seems like it would be easier mentally (if anything) to get on the pill, or have protected sex then have the risk of having another pregnancy that you'd terminate. :-\
and don't get me wrong, I do understand that if that's the choice people want to make...then go at it, I guess, I just don't understand why...
I don't know why either, but imagine they have their reasons or else are just plain irresponsible, in which case they have no place being parents anyway.
_Avery_
10-27-2010, 09:21 AM
Pro-abortion, end of story.
Did you know the legalization of abortion curbed the crime rate in America? Check it out-
Frankly if a parent is not willing to shoulder the burden of proper parenthood, no children should be produced.
I just feel bad for the people who would make good parents but are unable to have kids. :(
4everresolutions
10-27-2010, 09:38 AM
^I'm with you on that one.