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Kellydancer
12-29-2010, 11:10 PM
"we know what you are, we're negotiating now" is the line I am familiar with.

I think I know prostitution when I see it, which is the ultimate problem. Unfortunately, its like porn. I would not consider licking whip cream off a woman's nipples prostitution. Having sex with a guy, even a regular, for money, yeah, that's prostitution. Watching a guy jerk off, while strange(life takes all kinds), that wouldn't fall into prostitution in my list.

Here's an interesting scenario. A guy goes into a club. They guy is GirlA's type. GirlA does a bunch of dances for the guy and is paid for the dances. They arrange to meetup afterwards and have lots of sex. No money changes hands outside the club. Is that prostitution?

That's the line I was thinking about but spaced out on. I don't think the girl who has sex with a customer for free is a prostitute. Bad idea? certainly but not prostitution. I've known a few dancers who dated customers and some of them had sex, but they didn't charge for it. These were rare cases though where they got to know a guy and went out with him. Of course I also know a few who did have sex with customers for pay, and yes that's the act of prostitution, though they may not be hookers themselves.

yoda57us
12-30-2010, 12:01 AM
Here's an interesting scenario. A guy goes into a club. They guy is GirlA's type. GirlA does a bunch of dances for the guy and is paid for the dances. They arrange to meetup afterwards and have lots of sex. No money changes hands outside the club. Is that prostitution?

To me, no. He paid for dances inside the club. He got the dances. They are even. They meet later and have sex. No money changes hands. It's not prostitution.

Now, Let's pretend we are in some wacky county in some bible belt state where strip clubs are under heavy scrutiny. If the club happens to be under investigation by vice and the "customer" happens to actually be a vice cop then the chances are very good that the dancer is going to get busted for offering to meet up with the guy after work. It may not turn into a conviction but she will get arrested and the club could get raided. This is the primary reason that, in the past, clubs had very strict policies about dancers exchanging phone numbers with customers or having any contact with them outside of the club.

Kylea2
12-30-2010, 12:23 AM
^^^ Without starting back into the whole "he said, she said"... yes, that is correct. Some cities which have laws regarding ITC customers & dancers later meeting outside the club also have a statue of limitations, wherein so many hours/days/etc must pass before the person is no longer legally a customer per the law.

yoda57us
12-30-2010, 11:31 AM
^^^ Without starting back into the whole "he said, she said"... yes, that is correct. Some cities which have laws regarding ITC customers & dancers later meeting outside the club also have a statue of limitations, wherein so many hours/days/etc must pass before the person is no longer legally a customer per the law.

Yes, I've heard of this. I confess to not knowing a whole lot about specific laws. I just happen to know a former dancer who got busted in Tampa about ten years for doing exactly what I described. Charges where dropped but, as is the case with any sex related bust for either a man or a woman, people only seem to remember the bust and not what happens afterward.

Kellydancer
12-30-2010, 01:29 PM
I do know someone who got busted for that, now that I think of. I worked with a dancer who thought this guy was hot. I think he came in a few times and got dances. Eventually he asked her out, she said yes and she got busted for prostitution. This was during a political campaign where one candidate was accusing the other politician of allowing sleazy clubs (not just strip clubs, this area was notorious for hookers going to regular clubs). If I remember the cop never showed up at court. This has to be rare though.

Casual Observer
12-30-2010, 07:16 PM
So which tricks do you think have been run on you that have not been tried on other blues in here? Advance payment for services NOT rendered? Requests for loans? Shake downs for rent/bill payments using sob stories combined with hints of "genuine" affection? Stringalongs with girls pretending to be truly interested? ITC and OTC "you stole my money" or "you shorted me" cons? Upsell games? Others? Please do tell.

None of these things has ever happened to me, though a few have tried over the years with varying degrees of skill. And I'm no CP or Yoda, my clubbing experience notwithstanding. I guess I just know--and knew, from my first visits to strip clubs--that I wasn't in a normal social environment and that when a game is being run on me, it just seems really obvious. If Joe's paranoia sets him up for failure and disappointment, that's saying more about his attitude than that of dancers.

rickdugan
12-30-2010, 07:46 PM
None of these things has ever happened to me, though a few have tried over the years with varying degrees of skill. And I'm no CP or Yoda, my clubbing experience notwithstanding. I guess I just know--and knew, from my first visits to strip clubs--that I wasn't in a normal social environment and that when a game is being run on me, it just seems really obvious. If Joe's paranoia sets him up for failure and disappointment, that's saying more about his attitude than that of dancers.

I have had most of the aforementioned cons tried on me and I'm not too proud to admit that a few were somewhat successful, though I was lucky never to lose more than a few hundred when I failed to sniff it out. I also stood my ground during the ITC "he stole money from me" con, when I stupidly agreed to watch her purse while she disappeared for an hour.

The most interesting one was about 10 years ago, when a girl from a club in Vegas convinced me to drive her, overnight, to a child custody hearing in LA two days later. The worst part of this story is that, on the first night, she left the club with me and sex was most certainly on the menu until my rental busted a tire a block from the Strip and I had call it a night. I spent the next day getting the car fixed so that I could take her that night, and by then she figured out that this guy was far enough on the hook that she did not have to give him the goods to get him to take her out there. So, in a nutshell, I did not get laid AND I ended up driving many hours roundtrip overnight and into the next day with her AND her mother and sister.

Outside of this, a lot of girls in clubs around the country provided me with very interesting lessons on bait and switch, upselling and other fun cons. Again, I never shelled out the farm as I understood enough to set limits on my stupidity, but I was well schooled by savvy strippers and in hindsight I consider all of this to be tuition.

And, to be honest, I had some fun in the process and some funny memories, so the educational expenses were not a complete loss in any event.

yoda57us
12-30-2010, 08:19 PM
None of these things has ever happened to me, though a few have tried over the years with varying degrees of skill. And I'm no CP or Yoda, my clubbing experience notwithstanding. I guess I just know--and knew, from my first visits to strip clubs--that I wasn't in a normal social environment and that when a game is being run on me, it just seems really obvious. If Joe's paranoia sets him up for failure and disappointment, that's saying more about his attitude than that of dancers.

:yes:

jester214
12-30-2010, 09:52 PM
To me, no. He paid for dances inside the club. He got the dances. They are even. They meet later and have sex. No money changes hands. It's not prostitution.

Now, Let's pretend we are in some wacky county in some bible belt state where strip clubs are under heavy scrutiny. If the club happens to be under investigation by vice and the "customer" happens to actually be a vice cop then the chances are very good that the dancer is going to get busted for offering to meet up with the guy after work. It may not turn into a conviction but she will get arrested and the club could get raided. This is the primary reason that, in the past, clubs had very strict policies about dancers exchanging phone numbers with customers or having any contact with them outside of the club.

If I give you a $110 for a McD's Hamburger and later you give me some Cocaine... You sold me drugs.

JoeUnCool
01-05-2011, 06:15 PM
I guess there are also different versions of reality...

If you actually read our posts, instead of simply waiting for a spot where you can insert your agenda, you will see that none if use here are going into strip clubs with blinders on. High end club or low end club the fact is there are always going to be dancers looking to rip you off, suck you in to becoming an ATM or cause drama. Guess what? This is bad human behavior, not just bad stripper behavior...

What you call bragging is simply a few guys preferring to talk about our positive experiences rather than dwelling on the negative. We have learned that we can control what happens to us in the clubs. To a certain extent we do this by learning from our previous bad experiences. Being a bit cynical is a good thing. Being paranoid will get you nowhere.

I step away to work for a while and get dumped on....sigh..........

I didn't realize I was just blurting out my agenda. Heck I didn't realize I had an agenda. I'm about reality, my reality. My reality is that the dancers talk way too much. Its not just the dancers that work as escorts. Too many girls run their mouth. I realize that talk if part of human nature and I realize why the girls talk.

Being critical of someone for saying protect yourself........shakes head and sighs..........

JoeUnCool
01-05-2011, 06:42 PM
If Joe's paranoia sets him up for failure and disappointment, that's saying more about his attitude than that of dancers.

It may sound strange, but there are limits that I operate under. If you want to pay a dancer/escort for sex, ok. I have friends that do. I choose not to at this point in time.

As for your view, well, I find that people like to always assume the worst, which is what you have done regarding me.

rareaspasia
02-05-2011, 01:30 PM
Threadjack:

I am finding that a dancer that is younger than 30 doesn't make too much from me.
Dancer: "teeheeheee, I just turned 18." **twists hair and looks around the club.**** "wanta dance"
me: If that's all the game you got, hit up somebody else.

I hit 3 clubs last night in Cocoa Beach, FL. At two of them, I met dancers that were 35+ and I was impressed by both their minds and their bodies.

The other said she was 38. She said she was Mensa. Given the intelligence of her conversation, I can believe it.

I hate to think how much money I threw at both of them.

Wow, that's a first; I think I know your Mensa member. I believe we work at the same club, lol. If it is who I think it is, your money was well spent because she is a doll.

I don't look my age so I rarely reap the benefit of guys who like older dancers unless they bother to ask how old I am. But I suppose I can hardly complain about that.

Mr Hyde
02-28-2011, 09:03 PM
Wow, that's a first; I think I know your Mensa member. I believe we work at the same club, lol. If it is who I think it is, your money was well spent because she is a doll.

I don't look my age so I rarely reap the benefit of guys who like older dancers unless they bother to ask how old I am. But I suppose I can hardly complain about that.

Do you dance at Lido?

Do you know Carrianne?

magicrat
03-09-2011, 05:40 PM
This is my first post here, but I have been an occasional lurker over the years. I see a few familiar "faces" from over at TUSCL where I post and review most often. I must say this particular thread is one of the most interesting I have ever read. Most of the comments are well thought out and articuated, both from customers and dancers. It seems rare on this site, even on this blue side.

I don't really have any insights that haven't already been mentioned. Personally, I tend to be in agreement with Rick regarding type gals you see post on here versus the typical dancers we see in the clubs, at least those I frequent. I also agree with the general view of the intent of the otc dancers. I've been fortunate to have experienced a few otc encounters, and I believe comfort level is probably the most important characteristic of the relationship, from both the dancer's and the customer's view. IME it has been rare that I end up in a hotel room the first time I meet a dancer. In my view, the investment in time, dances, drinks, and conversation is well worth the wait.

Again, kudos on the insights on this thread in particular and a few others.

rickdugan
03-10-2011, 04:05 AM
^magicrat, great first post IMHO and it is good to see you here on the other side. As you know, I am a regular poster on tuscl as well but, in all honesty, I find the conversations over here to be a bit more thoughtful and dynamic.

HEAD TURNER 2
03-25-2011, 08:22 PM
Personally, I think SW dancers are accurately represented in comparison to IRL clubs. I still think that most on the site are also censoring themselves (to a degree) for good reason.

It doesn't take a huge amount of common sense to get on the internet and post. The posts are also overseen by moderators who get rid of the junk.

Now I guess you also have to take into account the clubs you frequent. In more affluent areas and "higher end clubs," you could argue that the dancers there are better in some way then the typical SW dancer.

I wouldn't argue, however, that most of the SW dancers are more affluent than the South Carolina dancers I came into brief contact with.

Then again, SC isn't really represented at all on these forums.....