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yoda57us
11-25-2010, 08:05 PM
Feel free to ask her if she ever texted me into CD with an "SOS" on a slow day. None of my story will be contradicted. She gave me more dance than I had cash to spare and texted me a thank you on her way home. Why is that so hard to believe? After all, I did her a bigger favor that day than she did me.

I'm not the one who twists the truth and wraps himself up in a world of illusions.

Bem, I've heard the other party's version of the story. I'll do you a favor and not repeat it here for the group.

bem401
11-26-2010, 06:04 AM
Bem, I've heard the other party's version of the story. I'll do you a favor and not repeat it here for the group.

So, in post 49 you claim not to know what I'm talking about and in post 51 claim to have already investigated an inconsequential story I just told for the first time?

xGigi
11-26-2010, 06:55 AM
ladies, I wasn't talking about a packed night or a night where there's potential big money spenders. if you read the OP again I asked what you would do if it was a SLOW night. would you make an exception?

yoda57us
11-26-2010, 07:17 AM
So, in post 49 you claim not to know what I'm talking about and in post 51 claim to have already investigated an inconsequential story I just told for the first time?

That's correct (for a change). I didn't know who it was until you posted this...


Check my story out with you-know-who. She's the one who texted me in.

There was nothing to "investigate" BEM. I heard the historically accurate version of the occurrence years ago. Trust me, I don't go running to call or email my favs to verify your strip club anti-customer tales of altruistic heroism. I just happen to have heard this one before...

We're done here BEM. Well, at least I am. Go start a BEM is Strip club Gahndi thread if you want but give this one back to the OP.

bem401
11-26-2010, 08:21 AM
There was nothing to "investigate" BEM. I heard the historically accurate version of the occurrence years ago. Trust me, I don't go running to call or email my favs to verify your strip club anti-customer tales of altruistic heroism. I just happen to have heard this one before...

Wasn't suggesting you contacted anyone. I was only pointing out that things you post here or say to dancers in person have little to do with the truth and when you paint yourself into a corner, it ought to be pointed out.


We're done here BEM. Well, at least I am. Go start a BEM is Strip club Gahndi thread if you want but give this one back to the OP.

In line with what I posted above, I'm not the one who derailed the thread. I pointed out that I only got a "deal" once and there were obviating circumstances involved. In typical fashion, you tried to pick it and run with it.

As for what xGigi is asking, I'd say you have make a decision based on what is going to put the most money in your pocket both short-term and long-term. A one-shot deal you won't be called on to keep matching might make sense given the circumstances of the moment whereas imposing a reduction in your prices going forward would not. As was pointed out earlier, a one-time deal might even cultivate a future regular if it impresses him and he realizes and respects the fact that it is a one-time deal.

yoda57us
11-26-2010, 08:26 AM
ladies, I wasn't talking about a packed night or a night where there's potential big money spenders. if you read the OP again I asked what you would do if it was a SLOW night. would you make an exception?

If you want answers from other dancers on this you may want to post it in the Hustle Hut or Stripping sections above. I willingly admit that a customer perspective on this topic is not going to be the same as a dancer's POV.

xGigi
11-26-2010, 08:55 AM
If you want answers from other dancers on this you may want to post it in the Hustle Hut or Stripping sections above. I willingly admit that a customer perspective on this topic is not going to be the same as a dancer's POV.
the reason why I posted it here was because there's a thread about ripping off customers and I wanted to post it in the same section so I could get the dancers' AND customers' perspectives, however it seems that the topic has veered far from what I had originally asked.

I wanted to know what you think of a dancer giving a deal if it's a REALLY bad slow night and it seems like the dancers have taken my question to mean "will you sell yourself short which is NOT what I was asking.

someone posted about the law of supply and demand which is exactly the point I was trying to make. would you bend your prices a little bit if there was a smaller demand for lap dances? would you cut down the price if the guy wanted multiple dances?

I never said anything about giving a guy a deal on a single dance. that's just ridiculous. in my OP I said that there was a customer who wanted to buy 3 dances from me for 75 dollars making it five dollars off of each dance. if it had been a slow night at the club and I hadn't made any money at all, if he had approached me with that offer, I might consider it.

I personally don't think that any girl on a regular basis should have to undersell, but think about it this way: a man does not NEED a lap dance. he doesn't NEED a champagne room or a VIP. our customers certainly want attention from attractive females, but would it really be SO bad to cut the price? you're still getting his money.

I've had many customers approach me wanting more dances for only a SLIGHT discount being as they only had a certain amount and wanted to spend it all on me and when I held firm with the club's prices, I lost the sale. so is it really underselling if the guy is giving you everything he has in his pocket? if you know that your customer has hundreds of dollars but you lower the price of his champagne room, then yeah that's underselling, but if you just emptied a guy's wallet by giving him 10 dances for the price of 9, is that REALLY low-balling?

bem401
11-26-2010, 09:19 AM
Occasionally giving a customer a few extra minutes when he gives you the last of his cash that day seems pretty much a win-win situation, assuming of course that we're talking about a decent amount of cash and he's not asking for the deal.

yoda57us
11-26-2010, 01:13 PM
I wanted to know what you think of a dancer giving a deal if it's a REALLY bad slow night and it seems like the dancers have taken my question to mean "will you sell yourself short which is NOT what I was asking.


I think it's always going to be a judgment call to a degree. I also think it may depend on the situation a bit.

I spoke earlier about benefiting from being a long time regular with a few favs in terms of getting a bit more time than what I am paying for. It doesn't sound like you are talking about the same sort of thing. If you are doing it to make tip-out or to try and hit your goal for the night I really don't see a problem with it. If you are doing it to try and cultivate a new regular that could be a bit of a slippery slope. Some guys will appreciate the deal and become good spending regulars but some will not only accept the deal but come to expect it every time they visit.

I think it's all good as long as you are offering the deal rather than him asking for it. In general, guys who come in looking for deals don't have much money to spend in clubs. His next visit may bring a request from him for an even lower discount or the dreaded "I don't have any money today but you are welcome to hang out with me if you like". These guys will promise to buy a dance the next time but the chances are he will always be either negotiating or claiming that he's broke.

I don't have a single fav that has never done what you are talking about on a slow night but they also have stories about "no money guy" or "friend guy" to go along with a bad decision about offering a deal. There are no guarantees. You just have to roll the dice and know when to cut the cord on a guy if your one-time offer becomes a tool for him to try and take advantage of you.

kaiarose
11-26-2010, 01:24 PM
Honestly if theres 5 guys in the club and no one is buying anything and I have made less than $100 that night then hell yeah I will give him a deal! I would rather make something rather than nothing.

Pure
11-26-2010, 02:08 PM
ladies, I wasn't talking about a packed night or a night where there's potential big money spenders. if you read the OP again I asked what you would do if it was a SLOW night. would you make an exception?

No. There will always be someone else on that night or even another night that will make up for whatever defecit there is due to not cutting a deal. To me, opening the door to negotiation is a slippery slope that will lead to nowhere positive. Now if I have emptied a customers wallet I might choose to hang with him for a bit of extended time but if he doesn't have what the price of x amount of dances would cost, Im not taking my clothes off. I just can't let my pride fly out the window for the sake of a slow night. They are a reality of the business. I have too much to offer to accept anything less on any night.Im too fly for that shit, if ur looking to save some $$$ ask the next girl. Im not having it.

_Avery_
11-26-2010, 04:57 PM
I've done it before back in Vegas.
Like 2 dances for $30. When shit was slow and I needed to make some money.
Or 4 songs for $100 when it was suppose to be 3 for $100.

Out here, in Wisconsin, I never did.
Only because they took money out of our dances. Had to pay $5 out of every $20 dance.
So, already only getting $15. If I did 2 for $30 out here, I'd only get $20.

Then again, times are rough. If I absolutely NEEDED that $20 and it was my only chance to bring home SOMETHING, I probably would have done it.

xGigi
11-26-2010, 08:21 PM
I think it's always going to be a judgment call to a degree. I also think it may depend on the situation a bit.

I spoke earlier about benefiting from being a long time regular with a few favs in terms of getting a bit more time than what I am paying for. It doesn't sound like you are talking about the same sort of thing. If you are doing it to make tip-out or to try and hit your goal for the night I really don't see a problem with it. If you are doing it to try and cultivate a new regular that could be a bit of a slippery slope. Some guys will appreciate the deal and become good spending regulars but some will not only accept the deal but come to expect it every time they visit.

I think it's all good as long as you are offering the deal rather than him asking for it. In general, guys who come in looking for deals don't have much money to spend in clubs. His next visit may bring a request from him for an even lower discount or the dreaded "I don't have any money today but you are welcome to hang out with me if you like". These guys will promise to buy a dance the next time but the chances are he will always be either negotiating or claiming that he's broke.

I don't have a single fav that has never done what you are talking about on a slow night but they also have stories about "no money guy" or "friend guy" to go along with a bad decision about offering a deal. There are no guarantees. You just have to roll the dice and know when to cut the cord on a guy if your one-time offer becomes a tool for him to try and take advantage of you.
I never really have a problem paying tipout but there have been times where I've broken even or left with under 20 dollars. being as I spend about 20 bucks in gas to get to and from work if I make under 20 bucks I'm not happy.

you're right though if a customer wanted to become my regular after taking a deal from me I would be mad . . . unless that "deal" was giving him 50 lap dances for the price of 49

xGigi
11-28-2010, 08:44 AM
a girl last night told me that if it was a bad night she would REFUSE to walk out with no money so she'd give guys deals. she was like "I'm making 500 dollars tonight no matter what." she was giving half-price champagne rooms and 2 for 1 lap dances. she hit well over her goal of 500 dollars.

I held firm on not giving deals last night and I walked out with 75 bucks.

it makes me wonder who really came out ahead last night.

xGigi
11-28-2010, 09:31 AM
our club doesn't have a set rate for champagne rooms and they take 50 out of a half hour and 75 out of an hour. if she usually charges 400 for a half hour and does a half price champagne room she's still making 150 bucks.

also, we don't have a lap dance room attendant. we give our money to the bouncer when we're done and he only knows vaguely how many we did so if she does at two for one for 30 dollars she gives the club ten instead of 20 and tells the guy she did one dance.

bem401
11-28-2010, 10:43 AM
a girl last night told me that if it was a bad night she would REFUSE to walk out with no money so she'd give guys deals. she was like "I'm making 500 dollars tonight no matter what." she was giving half-price champagne rooms and 2 for 1 lap dances. she hit well over her goal of 500 dollars.

I held firm on not giving deals last night and I walked out with 75 bucks.

it makes me wonder who really came out ahead last night.

So you're basically saying she was willing to work twice as hard and made at least 7 times as much. In my (and strictly my) opinion, therein lies your answer as long as this was the exception and not the rule going forward and she was comfortable with it.

yoda57us
11-28-2010, 01:21 PM
a girl last night told me that if it was a bad night she would REFUSE to walk out with no money so she'd give guys deals. she was like "I'm making 500 dollars tonight no matter what." she was giving half-price champagne rooms and 2 for 1 lap dances. she hit well over her goal of 500 dollars.

I held firm on not giving deals last night and I walked out with 75 bucks.

it makes me wonder who really came out ahead last night.

Who's to say really? Every dancer has a different approach. If one night's revenue means that much to her then she is going to do whatever she needs to do to hit her goal that night. If, on the other hand, you look at revenue in terms of the long haul she may not really have come out ahead.
All of the guys that payed for those half price dances will probably never give her full price again.

We all know that there are the "instant gratification" girls who come to work, have a great night and go spend it all the next day just as there are girls who take a more business-like and methodical approach to dancing. I tend to be attracted to women, and dancers, with a strong work ethic so I've seen the positive results, both in earnings and attitude, of girl who stick to their guns price wise and just take a bad night for what it is...just one bad night.

xGigi
11-28-2010, 08:59 PM
Who's to say really? Every dancer has a different approach. If one night's revenue means that much to her then she is going to do whatever she needs to do to hit her goal that night. If, on the other hand, you look at revenue in terms of the long haul she may not really have come out ahead.
All of the guys that payed for those half price dances will probably never give her full price again.

We all know that there are the "instant gratification" girls who come to work, have a great night and go spend it all the next day just as there are girls who take a more business-like and methodical approach to dancing. I tend to be attracted to women, and dancers, with a strong work ethic so I've seen the positive results, both in earnings and attitude, of girl who stick to their guns price wise and just take a bad night for what it is...just one bad night.

but what are the chances of the guy coming back anyway? I'm not disagreeing with you, there's a chance that the customer could come back and ask for the same deal but for the most part the guys who have a regular dancer pay full price for her. if he does come back and wants the same deal, she's STILL making 150 bucks off the guy for a half hour so is that really hurting her in the long run?

I'm starting to believe that the all or nothing attitude that dancers have is hurting them. if you can hit your nightly goals without having to bend your prices, that's great. I'm not that lucky though and I'm sure I'm not the only one. I've walked out of my club before with 20 bucks after tipout. I have my good nights, but I do have more bad nights than I would like so I think I'm going to try giving deals next time I work to see if it helps me.

4everresolutions
11-28-2010, 09:47 PM
I'll do things to sweeten the deal, but I'm not a fan of flat-out freebies. I danced for an Asian man who wanted to call it off after 3 songs - but while dancing for him I noticed he had a thing for my feet. I told him if he did 5 songs, I'd throw in an extra song where he could rub my feet for free. Bottom line: I did 5 dances for $100 and got a 3-minute foot rub for free (after I had my stripper outfit back on). I didnt feel used or disrespected, and I made $40 more than I would have without giving a deal. It's a very circumstantial thing.

The thing Bem is missing is that it's not always about the money. I feel like I'm worth 20/song, and if I even tried to discount that, I'd feel sick to my stomach because I just undermined my worth. On Tuesday a man tried to convince me to do 30min for $100 (actual rate 150), and I refused. I made 20 bucks that day. Tbh I feel a lot better about my 20 than I would have about that 100.

Pure
11-28-2010, 09:58 PM
I think on a deeper level the point is work consistently and manage your money to a point where you can turn down a 20$ and be ok with it. I just try to manage my $$$ to a point where I am never in a " I REALLY need this 20, 40$ whatever". Of course I need money, that's why Im working but I try not to get in positions where large bills or financial obligations are put on ONE night. That way if someone tries to lowball me or if I get into a situation that is more headache than what it's worth, I have no problem leaving it on the table. Most guys that try to cut a deal with me, end up paying full price once they realize Im not going for it. They have the $$$, they just wanna see if they can get a deal. Sorry, no bargains here. This isn't the damn swapmeet.

bem401
11-29-2010, 05:28 AM
I'll do things to sweeten the deal, but I'm not a fan of flat-out freebies. I danced for an Asian man who wanted to call it off after 3 songs - but while dancing for him I noticed he had a thing for my feet. I told him if he did 5 songs, I'd throw in an extra song where he could rub my feet for free. Bottom line: I did 5 dances for $100 and got a 3-minute foot rub for free (after I had my stripper outfit back on). I didnt feel used or disrespected, and I made $40 more than I would have without giving a deal. It's a very circumstantial thing.

The thing Bem is missing is that it's not always about the money. I feel like I'm worth 20/song, and if I even tried to discount that, I'd feel sick to my stomach because I just undermined my worth. On Tuesday a man tried to convince me to do 30min for $100 (actual rate 150), and I refused. I made 20 bucks that day. Tbh I feel a lot better about my 20 than I would have about that 100.

I don't think I'm missing anything 4ever. It was clear what answer was being sought in the post I responded to. All I ever said was that throwing a few extra minutes into a block of songs being danced to is certainly worth considering, just like you described in your first paragraph, especially if its the difference between making a multiple dance sale or not. I never advocated across-the-board price cuts for dances. I just advocated "sweetening the deal" (to use your words) with a little extra time on occasion. I realize its not strictly about the money (though your siggy would differ).

yoda57us
11-29-2010, 09:53 AM
but what are the chances of the guy coming back anyway? I'm not disagreeing with you, there's a chance that the customer could come back and ask for the same deal but for the most part the guys who have a regular dancer pay full price for her.
Well, as far as guys who get deals coming back only the lady can answer that question since she is at the club all the time and knows who comes in regularly and who doesn't. FWIW, one of the clubs I go to offered 2 for1 dances all day and night on Mondays and Tuesdays for years and there where lots of guys who ONLY went in on those two days. Plenty of guys will decide on club visits based on dance specials. The difference of course is that if the lady chooses to work those shifts she knows that she is working at half price all day.


if he does come back and wants the same deal, she's STILL making 150 bucks off the guy for a half hour so is that really hurting her in the long run?


Maybe. Let's say I walk in at 2pm with $300 in my pocket to take my fav into VIP with. She is sitting at the bar talking with the guy that she sold dances to for half price last weekend. She spends 20 minutes working him and, after hemming and hawing over the price, they go off to the private dance area where he does ten half price dances with the bargain hunter. This takes about a half an hour. The sale took about 20 minutes. She has invested almost an hour in a guy to get a hundred bucks. Meanwhile I have to get back to work so I leave with my $300 that I show up with every time I go to visit my fav. She has lost $200 in that hour.

These sort of things are dancer decisions and they often have to be made on the fly. Dancers that never, or almost never, give discounts don't really have to think about this stuff to much. They simply accept that there will be good nights and bad nights. The big picture is more important to them. Are they right? Well, they are doing what works for them.

I am self employed and, during the last two years, I have lost several clients because I refused to lower my rates when they asked me to. The funny thing is, at the end of the year, my income didn't suffer all that much as losing their business simply made me more available for the clients who were willing to pay my regular rate.

xGigi
11-29-2010, 11:34 AM
ok, but what if she tells the guy to fuck off? is she gonna go STRAIGHT to you, who has 300 dollars? maybe...maybe not. she doesn't know you have 300 dollars and she doesn't know you may be interested in her. we don't have x-ray vision for your wallets so it's always a gamble. we don't know you, we don't know what you're looking for, we don't know what you like. (I approached one man once and started hustling him until he informed me that he was the club owner! I had no idea!) a dancer might just go up to the next guy she sees. when I turned down that guy who wanted to do 3 dances for 75 bucks I certainly didn't find a champagne room customer immediately after. I approached many other customers and was having poor luck. when I went back to find the guy who offered me the 75 dollars, he didn't want to do it anymore.

we don't get paid by the hour. our outcome depends on our skill (hustling techniques) and luck (catching the right guy at the right time). there's no set income so if I KNOW a customer is going to give me 100 dollars to do a couple half price dances for him why gamble? maybe there's a big spender in the club, maybe not. maybe I can get more money out of the guy I already have. maybe if the other customers see me disappear into the lap dance room for a half hour they'll want me more. maybe when I'm walking out of the lap dance room the big spender will be JUST walking in! there's an infinite number of maybes.

again, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

I don't know what kind of business you have, but I'm going to assume it's a product or service that people need (or think they need) so you don't feel you have to lower your prices.

people don't NEED lap dances. it's easy for them to turn them down. so many guys come in and don't want to drop 30 bucks because they'll get nothing but a hard-on. no guy NEEDS a hard-on. convincing a guy to go for a lap dance can be like pulling teeth. giving a deal makes it slightly easier to sell a service that doesn't really benefit anyone.

bem401
11-29-2010, 11:49 AM
Once you are in work, it is one giant crap-shoot with the way you approach things. In some of my friends' minds, deciding whether to bother going in or not is also a crap-shoot. Hell, I know girls who will pull into the parking lot and call out of work a couple times a month. There is no way of knowing whether you are winning or losing regardless of which way you go. Thoughts of "what if" will always be there.

Athenathefabulous
11-29-2010, 11:57 AM
a girl last night told me that if it was a bad night she would REFUSE to walk out with no money so she'd give guys deals. she was like "I'm making 500 dollars tonight no matter what." she was giving half-price champagne rooms and 2 for 1 lap dances. she hit well over her goal of 500 dollars.

I held firm on not giving deals last night and I walked out with 75 bucks.

it makes me wonder who really came out ahead last night.

you should talk to the management about this girl. girls like this are part of the reason that you walked out with 75$.

xGigi
11-29-2010, 12:10 PM
you should talk to the management about this girl. girls like this are part of the reason that you walked out with 75$.
the management at my club doesn't really give a flying fuck as long as they get their cut. as far as the champagne room goes, you can charge whatever you want so they wouldn't see it as a "half price", they would only see it is as "ok so this girl charges like 200 dollars less for a half hour than everyone else"

inawe
11-29-2010, 01:47 PM
I will gladly take a discount if it is offered (some clubs have discounts such as 3 for $50 or 6 for the price of 5) but I would never ask a dancer for a discount. Doing that debases her and if she agreed she probably would not give the optimum performance -- who would want to put her all into a dance for someone who just skimped on her? My opinion, the negatives of begging for a discount outweigh the positives for both parties. You know what the price is. Just pay it and be happy. It is such a privilege anyway to be entertained in this way by lovely women -- just pay what it's worth and enjoy it.

rickdugan
11-29-2010, 02:22 PM
Honestly if theres 5 guys in the club and no one is buying anything and I have made less than $100 that night then hell yeah I will give him a deal! I would rather make something rather than nothing.

Nice to see some common sense enter this thread.

I don't do many dances, but I've been pitched dance deals by girls just trying to sell something on a slow night. I've also been pitched VIP deals, some of which I have accepted when the stars are aligned.

Now I completely understand the concept of protecting pricing integrity, even if it means not making the sales. However, this is not always an option when a girl has hungry mouths to feed at home and past due bills to pay.

yoda57us
11-29-2010, 02:55 PM
again, I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just playing devil's advocate.

No worries Gigi, we are both playing devil's advocate here...

What works for one dancer may not work for another and what works for yet another may go out the window on a slow night when the rent is due. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I have benefited time-wise from being a good spender and a good customer with several ladies but these are not the kind of gals who will start working for half price on a slow night. That doesn't mean I have an issue with girls who will.

BustyAmeera
11-29-2010, 03:04 PM
I'm not a dancer but I am a webcam model, and it offends me when new guys ask for deals. I find them to be cheap asses. Typically new guys who ask for a deal when I am not even expensive to begin with, will continue asking for deals. Usually a man with money would be to embarrassed to ask for deals. Plus it's a big turn off. I am assuming most girls are in the adult industry to make money, and would find cheap people to be a turn off. On the flip side I give deals to regulars plenty of times. Free minutes, pics etc, but that's because they deserve it sometimes for treating me so good!

AmyLynne
11-29-2010, 03:08 PM
You should never give deals because then the guy will always want the same deal and when it gets out that you gave a deal everyone will want the same deal from you. if anything you should be able to set your own rate above whatthe club sets as a minimum.

Id set mine at 35 per song 3 for 100. The only discount they get is volume.

Pure
11-29-2010, 04:21 PM
Now I completely understand the concept of protecting pricing integrity, even if it means not making the sales. However, this is not always an option when a girl has hungry mouths to feed at home and past due bills to pay.

Typical strippershit. So because a girl has 8 kids and didn't pay her light bill on time I have to now deal with customers who say " well I was in here last night and so and so gave me 2 dances for 30 bucks". We ALL struggle to pay bills. To start charging less than what a service is worth and turn it into some flea market type haggling, throwing in free shit, giving discounts really does a disservice to everyone.

rickdugan
11-29-2010, 04:25 PM
No worries Gigi, we are both playing devil's advocate here...

What works for one dancer may not work for another and what works for yet another may go out the window on a slow night when the rent is due. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I have benefited time-wise from being a good spender and a good customer with several ladies but these are not the kind of gals who will start working for half price on a slow night. That doesn't mean I have an issue with girls who will.

I guess I'm a bit more of a "lunch pail" clubber than you are. ::)

I almost never get pitched discount deals in my home clubs. However, it is far more common in the clubs that I see in my travels, many of which are located in areas that are not nearly as population dense as the NE.

On a weeknight in a club in the cornfields of WI, a girl can easily have a night where she is lucky to see 10-15 guys, many of whom are only there for the half priced beers. Or try some of the smaller cities down south, where it has been bad for several months as money has dried up.

Perhaps your "kind of gal" is one that is mobile enough to simply leave an area and go someplace better, but many of the gals that I see have kids who are in local schools and, of course, still need to be fed even if the clubs suck.

AmyLynne
11-29-2010, 04:26 PM
custies forget we have bills to pay too, mortgage, childcare, child healthcare, clothes, insurance for my car, cell phone, utilities, food.

miabella
11-29-2010, 05:30 PM
they don't forget--- they just don't care as a rule. which they shouldn't if one is selling entertainment and not sob stories.

yoda57us
11-29-2010, 05:34 PM
Perhaps your "kind of gal" is one that is mobile enough to simply leave an area and go someplace better, but many of the gals that I see have kids who are in local schools and, of course, still need to be fed even if the clubs suck.

Honestly Rick, we are talking about different means to the same end-making a living. While I have my opinions based on the conversations I have with dancers I also think I've made it pretty clear in this thread that a dancer has to do whatever she has to do to pay the bills.

I don't really see why you need to take a shot here but, whatever...

rickdugan
11-29-2010, 06:20 PM
Honestly Rick, we are talking about different means to the same end-making a living. While I have my opinions based on the conversations I have with dancers I also think I've made it pretty clear in this thread that a dancer has to do whatever she has to do to pay the bills.

I don't really see why you need to take a shot here but, whatever...

More like poking a little fun - lol. Come on now, your description of your favs as "not the kind of gals who will start working for half price on a slow night" did come off as a little high brow, no? ;)

But I also used your comment to segue into the meat of my followup, which is the myopic view of some (not you per se) regarding the practice of discounting. $25 in Vegas, Dallas, or NYC is not the same as $25 in the sticks of WI, or in a small club in South Carolina or Alabama, etc. Sometimes the willingness to negotiate deals now and then can be the difference between making some money or going home broke, which is simply not an option for some girls.

I agree that practices will, and probably should, differ from girl to girl and location to location. But the knee-jerk 'never, never, never" reactions from some on here were surprising and very divergent from what happens in some areas.

kaiarose
11-29-2010, 06:35 PM
Most girls unfortunately aren't the superstrippers kind that we find here on SW ::) Sorry but some of the replies on here are so belittling! Not all of us are making 1K a night and can afford to go home with $0. If you were consistently not making money for 2 weeks and didn't have the option of relocating etc... then maybe just maybe you would give in and do a $20 dance for $15 or do 2 dances for $35 instead of $40, just so that your whole 8 hour shift didn't seem THAT much less disappointing. I just can't believe that alot of girls would rather not make anything than swallow their pride (egos) and sell their holy grail of a dance for a few bucks less ON A DEAD NIGHT.

Athenathefabulous
11-29-2010, 06:52 PM
the management at my club doesn't really give a flying fuck as long as they get their cut. as far as the champagne room goes, you can charge whatever you want so they wouldn't see it as a "half price", they would only see it is as "ok so this girl charges like 200 dollars less for a half hour than everyone else"

so does your club have set prices? if not then she is allowed to do this. but if your club has set prices, then its not cool.


Most girls unfortunately aren't the superstrippers kind that we find here on SW ::) Sorry but some of the replies on here are so belittling! Not all of us are making 1K a night and can afford to go home with $0. If you were consistently not making money for 2 weeks and didn't have the option of relocating etc... then maybe just maybe you would give in and do a $20 dance for $15 or do 2 dances for $35 instead of $40, just so that your whole 8 hour shift didn't seem THAT much less disappointing. I just can't believe that alot of girls would rather not make anything than swallow their pride (egos) and sell their holy grail of a dance for a few bucks less ON A DEAD NIGHT.

See i dont understand why if a guy is willing to pay 15$ a dance he wont pay 20$. its only 5$ more. In my opinion, a simple matter of giving puppy dog eyes, raising the pitch in your voice, pouting a little, and saying "come on, its only 5$ more. for meeeeee????" while rubbing your breasts to bump it to a full priced dance.

if this fails, at my club we have private dances for 30$ and table dances (air dances) for 10$. if you are really in a pinch can you give a table dance for cheaper than the lap dance? and if they whine then a reply of "well maybe you should have shelled out the additional 5$, you get what you pay for" is usually sufficient and might even result in a bump up to a full priced dance next song. and even if that is the only purchase they made, you still got your 15$, didnt undercut the other girls, and they got what htey paid for (less than a full priced dance). i mean i dont really feel bad for these guys-- they dont NEED my tits in their face, if they want a contact dance they will pay for it. no sympathy for the cheap customers from over here.

AmyLynne
11-29-2010, 06:59 PM
I think we should be able to charge whatever we want. I dont care how much the custy whines I will stick to what I ask for. He can always watch skinimax and get his rocks off!

kaiarose
11-29-2010, 07:01 PM
I definitely don't feel any sympathy for the guys.. I agree, yes it's only $5 more but there are the cheap fucks who will and do sit in the club and won't buy any dances at all. I'm willing (and in all honesty I haven't had to or thought about under-selling my dances when it was slow...never really crossed my mind until I saw this thread actually }:D ) to drop the dance price just so mr. cheap-o will buy a dance from me so I can at least make tip out. I refuse to pay out of my own pocket if I don't necessarily have to.

Athenathefabulous
11-29-2010, 07:10 PM
I definitely don't feel any sympathy for the guys.. I agree, yes it's only $5 more but there are the cheap fucks who will and do sit in the club and won't buy any dances at all. I'm willing (and in all honesty I haven't had to or thought about under-selling my dances when it was slow...never really crossed my mind until I saw this thread actually }:D ) to drop the dance price just so mr. cheap-o will buy a dance from me so I can at least make tip out. I refuse to pay out of my own pocket if I don't necessarily have to.

do you really think that a 5$ discount is going to get the barflys to buy a dance though?

also the mentality of doing the same for less is very similar to the extras mentality of doing more for the same price. i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of extras girls have the mentality of "man its slow, but i will be able to sell this dance if i flash some pussy during the dance and at least make some money" (assuming its a topless club). its similar to the mentality of "i will do what is expected in a regular dance for less of the price so i at least make some money." Doing standard for less money or doing extra for standard money is ripping apart the industry. Granted, the extras girls are guttig the industry at a much more prevalent rate than the undercutters, but still all is bad. do x for x$, or more than x$. but NEVER do more than x for less than what it is worth.

im not saying you are gutting the industry, kaia, and i hope you do not take this as a personal slight. some food for thought though. lots of girls start doing this and it does take its toll. it really does.

i just had a thought. i havent worked at a club populated with the regular barflies for a while (i.e. a club where most of the customers are there on a regular basis and only buy drinks)... but what if on a slow night all of hte girls who are in the dressing room bitching decide to band together to have a chat with the barflies. i could see it. approaching them in a group of 10 angry strippers "barfly, we need to have a talk. you have been in here way to much and have never tipped us a dollar. we dont like you. you need to buy a dance or gtfo."

i have never seen such a thing happen of course, but the image of it made me giggle. power in numbers, baby!

Pure
11-29-2010, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=Athenathefabulous;2016963]

also the mentality of doing the same for less is very similar to the extras mentality of doing more for the same price. i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of extras girls have the mentality of "man its slow, but i will be able to sell this dance if i flash some pussy during the dance and at least make some money" (assuming its a topless club). its similar to the mentality of "i will do what is expected in a regular dance for less of the price so i at least make some money." Doing standard for less money or doing extra for standard money is ripping apart the industry. Granted, the extras girls are guttig the industry at a much more prevalent rate than the undercutters, but still all is bad. do x for x$, or more than x$. but NEVER do more than x for less than what it is worth.[\QUOTE]




Exactly this.

yoda57us
11-29-2010, 07:28 PM
More like poking a little fun - lol. Come on now, your description of your favs as "not the kind of gals who will start working for half price on a slow night" did come off as a little high brow, no? ;)


I really don't see where you are getting that from Rick. This entire thread can be broken down pretty simply. Some girls offer discounts when the club is slow and some don't. My comment was simply meant to indicate that the dancers I spend most of my time with don't. It has nothing to do with either me or them feeling that they are somehow better than other dancers. They simply don't feel that it pays off in the long run. It has nothing to do with what sort of bills they have to pay, how many mouths they may have to feed or how willing they are to relocate when money is bad.

yoda57us
11-29-2010, 07:31 PM
i just had a thought. i havent worked at a club populated with the regular barflies for a while (i.e. a club where most of the customers are there on a regular basis and only buy drinks)... but what if on a slow night all of hte girls who are in the dressing room bitching decide to band together to have a chat with the barflies. i could see it. approaching them in a group of 10 angry strippers "barfly, we need to have a talk. you have been in here way to much and have never tipped us a dollar. we dont like you. you need to buy a dance or gtfo."


I'd pay money to see this...or at least buy some dances...

AmyLynne
11-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Yoda its why I love drama. Its always entertaining. Its funny how so many guys act like its so easy to short us on tips or prices and at the sametime talk about how its easy just to OTC us all when its not. So entertaining I almost go back to the amy of old but I digress. its just for entertainment!

Redwolf
11-29-2010, 07:40 PM
I think we should be able to charge whatever we want. I dont care how much the custy whines I will stick to what I ask for. He can always watch skinimax and get his rocks off!

Agreed.

I have read threads about dancers charging guys more than the club policy. If I really wanted dances from a certain girl asking for more than the club policy, I would do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

If some dancer tries to get me to extend my set after she has danced 5 or 6 and tells me that she will throw in an extra dance if I pay for three more, I might do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

If a dancer sits down and visits a little and tries to sell me on 30 minute champagne room for 250 when she usually aims for 300 when the club is full, I might do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

I agree that a dancer should be able to charge whatever she wants for a dance or CR. It is up to me to decide whether I want dances from the girl who asks me if I want a dance for the rate that she charges.

rickdugan
11-29-2010, 07:43 PM
Yoda its why I love drama. Its always entertaining. Its funny how so many guys act like its so easy to short us on tips or prices and at the sametime talk about how its easy just to OTC us all when its not. So entertaining I almost go back to the amy of old but I digress. its just for entertainment!

Actually I must have missed something - I didn't see where anyone said it was easy to short girls on tips or prices, simply that in some times and places some girls negotiate their rates in order to sell dances or VIPs.

And I definitely did not see an OTC reference in this thread, but if there had been one I doubt anybody would claim that all dancers engaged in the practice. /:O

AmyLynne
11-29-2010, 07:45 PM
See youre one of the sane guys.. so many just want to create fantasy so they can get the approval of their beerleague buddies or they really just want to go in and try to control us when they clearly cant and dont...

I always say if you want to game us, bring your best bs because we can game back!



Agreed.

I have read threads about dancers charging guys more than the club policy. If I really wanted dances from a certain girl asking for more than the club policy, I would do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

If some dancer tries to get me to extend my set after she has danced 5 or 6 and tells me that she will throw in an extra dance if I pay for three more, I might do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

If a dancer sits down and visits a little and tries to sell me on 30 minute champagne room for 250 when she usually aims for 300 when the club is full, I might do it. After all, she should be able to charge whatever she wants, right?

I agree that a dancer should be able to charge whatever she wants for a dance or CR. It is up to me to decide whether I want dances from the girl who asks me if I want a dance for the rate that she charges.

pootcacti
11-29-2010, 07:55 PM
custies forget we have bills to pay too, mortgage, childcare, child healthcare, clothes, insurance for my car, cell phone, utilities, food.

not to be rude, but this line is over used. EVERYONE has to pay bills. not just strippers.