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bexxx
11-22-2010, 09:48 PM
The Holocaust was also REPRESENTED TO THE PEOPLE as patriotism. Nationalism to the extreme. How can loving your race the best and pride in your country be a bad thing right? It's not always WHY it's started it's how it's represented and why it's accepted.

Weapons of mass destruction what? I mean we HAVE to go get them, bomb some places, kill some people. But that's just casualties of war right? It's for the greater good. Kill a few thousands to potentially save millions. Only WAIT. There weren't even any WMD were they? Noooo the US went in their because there was OIL they wanted and weren't getting. So yeah, that war was REPRESENTED as being started with the best intentions, and that's what it was taken as.

As for the use of the two most dramatic examples? Well it makes it easier for more people to identify with and to understand the transitions doesn't it? It doesn't necessarily mean a person is saying that the TSA pat down is actually as bad as the Holocaust, come on now. *eyeroll*. Do you see me all up in arms saying "How DARE you compare it to slavery! It underminds everything all those poor people went through. I had family that blah blah effing blah!"? No you don't. Why? Because I understand a general broad example that allows people to see a pattern when I see one, that's why.

I think this point was thought and wrote out very wel(not just this specific post I mean the ones previous aswel)l, I completely agree with all of what you've said but I couldnt have explained most of it this well through only typing lol

Arialandre
11-22-2010, 09:57 PM
^ Thank you darling. I know, I know, my genius knows no bounds...

DesuvsDeath
11-22-2010, 10:45 PM
My point is that enough time and patience to put together a plan will get past any security; if great mountains can be defeated, so can any defenses of man....So the moral of the story? The scanners or groping or ANY security measures are all ineffective; the TSA is guilty of invading the personal spaces of airline patrons under FALSE pretenses that it secures them. It doesn't.
So then what's the answer? The security measures aren't good enough, so what? We should just stop trying? Should they become MORE strict?
It's easy to point out flaws... what about a solution?


Also, to those of you saying that a little groping isn't the equivalent of being raped? Rape is suggestive, girls. Rape doesn't need to be violent, and it doesn't have to be obvious....It also sickens me that some of you are trying to make a fucking pissing contest out of what is rape...Rape is not universal. It's horrid in all its forms, and it is life-changing no matter the degree. They have all had a piece of their privacy, of their life, taken away from them without their consent.
No one is trying to make a pissing contest out of anything. I said it offends me that people are comparing this to rape. It does. I never said it was or wasn't rape. But I'm pretty sure most people who have been horribly and violently raped would probably agree that comparing someone briefly touching your crotch during a search in a non-sexual manner is pretty fucking offensive.
And the biggest difference is consent. You can choose not to fly and not be searched... you can't choose to not be raped. By purchasing a ticket, you are subjecting yourself to multiple forms of search. If you didn't bother to look into what those forms might involve, that doesn't make it rape.
I try to remain objective... and I don't like to mention this sort of thing, but I have been raped. And I have been physically searched at the airport. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING. If someone has a problem processing that... there is a problem with their fucking brain.

Arialandre
11-22-2010, 11:06 PM
^ It's true at the very most the search could be considered sexual harassment... or assult (in the MOST extreme) as there is no forced penetration. Sorry guys but a boat is not a rock which is not a remote control. Please be careful with your definitions especially when you are using such delicate topics for your comparisons. You can be or feel sexually violated WITHOUT it equating rape.

jennsweet
11-22-2010, 11:55 PM
"Rape horrid in all its forms, and it is life-changing no matter the degree. They have all had a piece of their privacy, of their life, taken away from them without their consent. "

i don't die a little inside when a tsa touches my crotch. im a stripper, and people stare at it all day. i just don't believe how someone can feel so violated here...

Athenathefabulous
11-23-2010, 12:37 AM
honestly, when you look at hte statistic probability of being killed by terrorists vs. everything else, it puts everything into perspective. this is ridiculous. fear is definitely being leveraged to invade us.

i started a separate thread with the stats since i figured it was somewhat amusing: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=146093.

and honestly, how can you justify doing this to small children. they dont even understand the reasoning behind it. an adult grabbing a child's crotch without its consent? or even with its consent? idk, this sounds like something that should get a motherfucker thrown in jail :X. and the whole incident with the urine is super depressing.

jester214
11-23-2010, 12:45 AM
I want to hear some solutions?

Trem
11-23-2010, 09:09 AM
If i had to travel i would pop a viagra and go commando, then act like i was fucking loving that shit. "Oh yeah baby pat me down right there... yeah like that, you are making me feel so secure!". It's time for the TSA to meet a stripclub classic: sweatpants boner guy.

Autumn Lily
11-23-2010, 09:26 AM
If i had to travel i would pop a viagra and go commando, then act like i was fucking loving that shit. "Oh yeah baby pat me down right there... yeah like that, you are making me feel so secure!". It's time for the TSA to meet a stripclub classic: sweatpants boner guy.

This.

KatRocks
11-23-2010, 09:56 AM
This type of searching is really a response to that... The underwear and shoe bombs.

Let's lay out a few things...

1. This is the world we live in now, it blows, accept that the invasiveness of searching people has gone up and will stay up.
2. The TSA is inept and needs to be overhauled, including many of the current procedures. That said they'll never be perfect. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE PISSED ABOUT!!!
3. Give them a little time, this is a huge endeavor and for most of these people they are just doing what they are told. Try and give them a bit of leeway.
4. If it bothers you that much, don't fly.

This.
My mother actually works for TSA at a very large airport outside of DC. She hates it. The stories she comes home with about how the whole operation is run and the CLEAR ineptitude of her coworkers and management makes me scared. I cant say for every airport and every TSA worker, but my general opinion and experiance with them tells me that they are not the 'cream of the crop'. As for the body pat downs, my mother hates them. Who would want to touch thousands of random people from all over the world everyday? My best advice is to not wear anything that could set the alarm off. The full body search is a last resort thing ( although sometimes random ) .... so 90% of the time you can avoid this by not setting the alarms off.

Trem
11-23-2010, 10:13 AM
Ineptitude is also the only thing keeping planes flying. Imagine what would have happened if shoe bomb guy and underwear bomb guy had gone in the bathroom rather than tried to light their bombs up right at their seats.

Athenathefabulous
11-23-2010, 12:31 PM
If i had to travel i would pop a viagra and go commando, then act like i was fucking loving that shit. "Oh yeah baby pat me down right there... yeah like that, you are making me feel so secure!". It's time for the TSA to meet a stripclub classic: sweatpants boner guy.

LOL! im siggy-ing this.


i wonder how they would react.... ROTFL.

jester214
11-23-2010, 12:48 PM
So basically the gist I'm getting is... Racial profling is cool, if it helps to keep flying easy?

Yeah! Way to go America!

Athenathefabulous
11-23-2010, 01:16 PM
So basically the gist I'm getting is... Racial profling is cool, if it helps to keep flying easy?

Yeah! Way to go America!

racial profiling isnt cool either. first off, if racial profiing became a known and accepted reality all the terrorists would have to do is find a crazy white guy and he could get thru. probably not too hard. plus people of middle eastern decent, the majority of which are innocent, have a right to be treated like the rest of us instead of second class citizens who are assumed to be guilty due to the color of their skin.

from me the gist is that this whole thing is ridiculous, and if you think these invasive searches are going to protect you from an already very improbable danger, you are delusional.

bexxx
11-23-2010, 01:47 PM
So basically the gist I'm getting is... Racial profling is cool, if it helps to keep flying easy?

Yeah! Way to go America!


About one person mentioned race... Where do you get that idea from.

DesuvsDeath
11-23-2010, 04:23 PM
If i had to travel i would pop a viagra and go commando, then act like i was fucking loving that shit. "Oh yeah baby pat me down right there... yeah like that, you are making me feel so secure!". It's time for the TSA to meet a stripclub classic: sweatpants boner guy.
I am very let down that I did not think of this first. :P

Mr Hyde
11-23-2010, 05:15 PM
So basically the gist I'm getting is... Racial profling is cool, if it helps to keep flying easy?

Yeah! Way to go America!

I wouldn't say "racial profiling" is a good idea, but profiling in general...yes...is a good idea. That does not mean we should ignore blue-eyed blond-haired middle-aged women. However, the chances that a young male of apparent middle-eastern descent is a terrorist are a lot greater than an elderly woman who is obviously WASP-y. Failing to recognize this and use it is just plain stupid, as is treating both as equal terrorist threats.

jimboe7373
11-23-2010, 05:52 PM
I frequently fly into the U.S. from several international desitinations and all the flights going to the U.S. have carry-on scanned at the security check-point and then do a hand search of luggage and a pat-down at the gate. This has been in place for over a year now and I believe is a requirement for all flights coming in but am only positive of the destinations that I fly in from.

Trem
11-23-2010, 06:20 PM
i wonder how they would react.... ROTFL.

My guess is it would land me on the No Fly list and the Sex Offender registry in one swift... erm stroke.

rickdugan
11-23-2010, 06:33 PM
A couple of months ago I watched TSA agents search an old man. He was white, very old and, if his VFW cap was any indication, a veteran. He was made to take his socks off, after which the world got to see his overgrown toe nails (he probably can't reach them anymore) while he was rudely searched. Due to age, he had trouble complying with the TSA agents' request to stand still and lift his arms up, but he did his best even as one agent was barking at him.

In what universe was this man even a remote risk as a terrorist? By right of age and service to the country the man deserved dignity, but what he received was humiliation. There is no common sense to this anymore.

When we are at a point where we do this to someone like him, the terrorists have already won.

jimboe7373
11-23-2010, 06:54 PM
They do not have body scanners where I fly out of either (cost issue) so the pat-down and double carry-on check is not optional.

Mr Hyde
11-23-2010, 07:05 PM
A couple of months ago I watched TSA agents search an old man. He was white, very old and, if his VFW cap was any indication, a veteran. He was made to take his socks off, after which the world got to see his overgrown toe nails (he probably can't reach them anymore) while he was rudely searched. Due to age, he had trouble complying with the TSA agents' request to stand still and lift his arms up, but he did his best even as one agent was barking at him.

In what universe was this man even a remote risk as a terrorist? By right of age and service to the country the man deserved dignity, but what he received was humiliation. There is no common sense to this anymore.

When we are at a point where we do this to someone like him, the terrorists have already won.

This is exactly what I mean when I say that some level of profiling makes sense. It's crazy to treat every single person that is boarding an airplane as an equal terrorist threat.

bexxx
11-23-2010, 07:26 PM
lol that sounded like you were asking what sort of massage they got at a massage parlour rather than airport security

bexxx
11-23-2010, 07:40 PM
I wouldnt call that a 'happy ending' from the tsa though

Kisca
11-23-2010, 09:06 PM
This why I mentioned TSA needs to be trained within social management classes, i dont care wtf they teach about safety and how to spot a person out of a crowd... they need to learn respect and start using it.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 01:45 AM
You can ask, it's usually Panama, Costa Rica or Colombia. The pat down is standard with a quick graze of the crotch.

oxSkylarxo
11-24-2010, 02:40 AM
racial profiling isnt cool either. first off, if racial profiing became a known and accepted reality all the terrorists would have to do is find a crazy white guy and he could get thru. probably not too hard. plus people of middle eastern decent, the majority of which are innocent, have a right to be treated like the rest of us instead of second class citizens who are assumed to be guilty due to the color of their skin.

from me the gist is that this whole thing is ridiculous, and if you think these invasive searches are going to protect you from an already very improbable danger, you are delusional.

They may not even have to do that. There are Middle Eastern people who are light complected and can pass as White people.

Melonie
11-24-2010, 03:07 AM
and just think, one enough x-ray backscatter machines are available to be set up at every single airport, guess where the TSA is headed next ?



(snip)"Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says terrorists will continue to look for U.S. vulnerabilities, making tighter security standards necessary.

“[Terrorists] are going to continue to probe the system and try to find a way through,” Napolitano said in an interview that aired Monday night on "Charlie Rose."

“I think the tighter we get on aviation, we have to also be thinking now about going on to mass transit or to trains or maritime. So, what do we need to be doing to strengthen our protections there?”(snip)

GoPoKo
11-24-2010, 05:46 AM
"Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither". -name the famous author

In my opinion we've done this for yrars...especially since 9/11...and its nyts

YES there are bad people out there

YES some want to hurt you

YES some of us will. Get hurt (like my friend who died in tower 2)

But to say we have to go to extremes to "be safe" is crazy....costs ua HUGE money and starts the slipperyb slope to 1984 orwellian life that some people in business (for profit reasons) and govt ( for control amd job security) crave.

Bring back pre 9/11 security...

Surprise
11-24-2010, 06:23 AM
Aaaaaalriiiight. Im about to dub myself the token black bitch on this one since we are bringing up slavery (and that's kind of something I've got a handle on yeah?)

wow, i didn't realize you were 200 years old. ::) i think you have as much of a handle on it as any of us "token white bitches"

firemaiden04
11-24-2010, 08:33 AM
^Well, I'm Native American, so....yeah. Slavery? How about genocide?

rickdugan
11-24-2010, 08:49 AM
"Those who trade liberty for security deserve neither". -name the famous author

In my opinion we've done this for yrars...especially since 9/11...and its nyts

YES there are bad people out there

YES some want to hurt you

YES some of us will. Get hurt (like my friend who died in tower 2)

But to say we have to go to extremes to "be safe" is crazy....costs ua HUGE money and starts the slipperyb slope to 1984 orwellian life that some people in business (for profit reasons) and govt ( for control amd job security) crave.

Bring back pre 9/11 security...


Well, I believe what Ben Franklin actually said was: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

But nitpicky point aside, I agree wholeheartedly. Once given up, a freedom is almost impossible to win back.

Athenathefabulous
11-24-2010, 09:11 AM
Here is an interesting article on how israel runs their airport: http://www.staplenews.com/home/2010/11/16/the-israelification-of-airports-high-security-little-bother.html the busiest airport has not been breached since 02, and passengers get from the parking lot to the plane in under a half an hour. they dont focus on what you have with you but they focus on whether you appear suspicious. keep in mind that israel is a MUCH higher threat area than the US. also they make sure there are no lines in the airport because lines in the airport would be a target for terrorists...

very interesting read. highly recommend it.

Trem
11-24-2010, 09:26 AM
The thing about Israel is that they have a whole two international airports, the US has over eight hundred of them. Their security measures are incredibly good yes, but it is not something we could duplicate because of the difference in scale.

Athenathefabulous
11-24-2010, 09:35 AM
^^really? because the israeli method focuses on intelligence which requires training. it seems to me that a few well trained employees would be much more effective. i imagine less TSA personnel would be required.

i dont see why a similar method wouldnt work for many airports across the US.

CKXXX
11-24-2010, 10:02 AM
The terrorists have won. They are laughing their asses off over this.


This is a total violation of civil liberties. Sorry, but molesting a child does NOTHING to increase my security.

And yes, the next step will be cavity searches. I guarantee it. Within our lifetime..if this is allowed to continue...people WILL be sticking gloved fingers up your ass.

TSA agent as a whole are power hungry morons. Ive had some nasty interactions..and as a blonde blue eyed, couldnt be whiter or more american looking woman..REALLY?

I had one threaten to take away my asthma inhaler because he DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

I had one go through my bag with a gloved hand, and lecture me so long about the 5 hr energy shot I forgot was in my bag that I almost missed my plane. But totally missed the 400,000 volt TASER that I forgot to transfer to checked luggage. Yes I got on the plane with a stun gun. AFTER being thoroughly searched.

I could go on...but believe me...no amount of civil rights violations will make us any safer. They will still miss shit because most are idiots. And they are so intent on taking water bottles away from people because its a power trip then look for anything that could be an ACTUAL danger.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 10:05 AM
passengers get from the parking lot to the plane in under a half an hour. They may get from the parking lot to the plane in 1/2 hour, but from multiple sources it looks like they have to arrive to the airport 4 hours before the flight. (Can you imagine impatient Americans doing that?). They also grill you for security, one flub or nervous answer and many times you don't fly.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20101124/NATION/11240348/1020/NATION/Screen-fliers-like-Israel-does--some-say

"As it turns out, the security methods employed (http://www.detnews.com/article/20101124/NATION/11240348/1020/NATION/Screen-fliers-like-Israel-does--some-say#) by Israel's Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full-body scanners and pat-downs that U.S. officials put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at the Ben-Gurion four hours before their flights for screening."

"At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes."

Trem
11-24-2010, 10:09 AM
^^really? because the israeli method focuses on intelligence which requires training. it seems to me that a few well trained employees would be much more effective. i imagine less TSA personnel would be required.

i dont see why a similar method wouldnt work for many airports across the US.

It is exactly because it is an intelligence focused method that requires training that it wouldn't work here. Israeli workers are smart, well trained and most importantly allowed to exercise their own judgment when dealing with a situation. TSA employees get 40 hours of training, the grand majority of it is on how to work the equipment and how to deal with people with disabilities. The first layer of actual security that greets travellers at Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion International Airport is a roadside check. All drivers are stopped and asked two questions: How are you? Where are you coming from?, that would be literally impossible somewhere like New York.

Athenathefabulous
11-24-2010, 10:10 AM
The terrorists have won. They are laughing their asses off over this.


This is a total violation of civil liberties. Sorry, but molesting a child does NOTHING to increase my security.

And yes, the next step will be cavity searches. I guarantee it. Within our lifetime..if this is allowed to continue...people WILL be sticking gloved fingers up your ass.

TSA agent as a whole are power hungry morons. Ive had some nasty interactions..and as a blonde blue eyed, couldnt be whiter or more american looking woman..REALLY?

I had one threaten to take away my asthma inhaler because he DIDNT KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

I had one go through my bag with a gloved hand, and lecture me so long about the 5 hr energy shot I forgot was in my bag that I almost missed my plane. But totally missed the 400,000 volt TASER that I forgot to transfer to checked luggage. Yes I got on the plane with a stun gun. AFTER being thoroughly searched.

I could go on...but believe me...no amount of civil rights violations will make us any safer. They will still miss shit because most are idiots. And they are so intent on taking water bottles away from people because its a power trip then look for anything that could be an ACTUAL danger.

Thank you. i couldnt have said it better myself. This is definitely a power trip.


They may get from the parking lot to the plane in 1/2 hour, but from multiple sources it looks like they have to arrive to the airport 4 hours before the flight. (Can you imagine impatient Americans doing that?). They also grill you for security, one flub or nervous answer and many times you don't fly.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20101124/NATION/11240348/1020/NATION/Screen-fliers-like-Israel-does--some-say

"As it turns out, the security methods employed (http://www.detnews.com/article/20101124/NATION/11240348/1020/NATION/Screen-fliers-like-Israel-does--some-say#) by Israel's Shin Bet security service at Ben-Gurion International Airport in Tel Aviv are frequently stricter and more intrusive than the full-body scanners and pat-downs that U.S. officials put into place Nov. 1, said security analysts and the travelers who regularly show up at the Ben-Gurion four hours before their flights for screening."

"At Ben-Gurion, some passengers have been searched so thoroughly that they have had to walk through the terminals, the gates and up to the doors of their planes with no handbags, wallets or even shoes."

i dont know too much about the israeli thing, although i did find that article very interesting.

However, i still say that the body scanners for every american is ridiculous. and possibly dangerous to health. if the chance of getting cancer from radiation is on par with getting blown up by a terrorist, then the point of the machines is already defeated.

and also, the company producing the body scanners are making a killing- 170,000$ a machine.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 10:31 AM
And they are so intent on taking water bottles away from people because its a power trip then look for anything that could be an ACTUAL danger. They take water bottles away not because of a power trip, but because it could be any one of dozens of liquid explosives or flammable agents that look just like water.

They have to screen everybody equally because what if one of Timothy McVeigh's former associates decides they want to bring down a plane instead of a building, what if they talk a not too smart and easily influenced girlfriend into bringing something on board?. Ever heard of Jose Padilla?- are you going to then profile all the Spanish people too?

To me it's cost/benefit analysis- The cost is an 10 sec. invacive screening or a quick degrading pat down, the benefit is having a much smaller chance of the plane being blown up.

Alot of people here seem to be under the impression that if we loosen up on security and lose a plane or two here or there, that those are acceptable losses and our odds of being on those planes is super low, so no biggee. The fact though is that losing planes in a way that is not isolated will wreck our economy and may even shut the airlines down. Between lawsuits and liability claims, increases in insurance rates on the airlines and passengers panicking and being too skitish to fly, it will crash the economy and completely change the way we live.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 10:41 AM
However, i still say that the body scanners for every american is ridiculous. and possibly dangerous to health. if the chance of getting cancer from radiation is on par with getting blown up by a terrorist, then the point of the machines is already defeated. It's pretty much accepted by most professionals that the machines give out an extremely low amount of radiation and that with the duration that you are exposed to it that it is a non-issue. I think the media has hyped this aspect of the whole thing.

Once again, even if the risk of getting cancer from it was the same as a terrorist attack- some people would get cancer and sad as it is, that's where the story ends. If terrorists become able to take down 1 plane a month or every few months, we lose our economy and the airlines likely shut down. The impact would be unthinkable, probably 1/2 of U.S. jobs would be lost and every part of our society would be changed, from what you can eat, who you can see perform, availability of medicine, business meetings, real estate markets, hotel restaurants, tourism centers would be affected in ways almost to big to contemplate.

rickdugan
11-24-2010, 10:54 AM
^Today it is a naked picture of you. What is it tomorrow?

Safety and health are the two primary excuses used by governments to exert control over other people's actions or to limit their freedoms. And, as usual, the justification for doing so is some horrific, doomsday consequence if the control or limit is NOT enacted.

I don't remember losing all that many planes to terrorists before 9/11. Also, as far as I know, we have gone 9 years without another re-occurrence, even without fulll body scans.

And even if planes were going to start tumbling out of the sky without heightened security procedures ::), I cannot believe that there are not reasonable alternatives to full body scans and/or crotch grabbing.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 11:57 AM
There is a standard security minumum that all flights that will be landing in the U.S. have to adhere to before they are allowed into our airspace. If they do not have pat-downs or scanners, they may put extra air-marshals on board or something else. We have dictated this to every international airport that flies to any U.S. destination. I can't vouch for everywhere but the 5 or 6 countries I've entered the U.S. from this year have all been very diligent. They take it pretty serious and I'm sure the penalties for not following procedure are pretty extreme because I'm usually in places that are pretty relaxed and inefficient with most things- but with this they are on the ball.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 12:11 PM
Safety and health are the two primary excuses used by governments to exert control over other people's actions or to limit their freedoms. And, as usual, the justification for doing so is some horrific, doomsday consequence if the control or limit is NOT enacted.What exactly is the TSA of Federal government gaining by doing these scans or pat downs?. Each of the responses of the TSA has been the result of an actual attack attempt. The reason for the pat-down and the new scans and the reason they are being deployed right now is from the underwear bomber last Thanksgiving en route to Detroit. Unless the gov't is planting these people to carryout the attacks so they can remove freedom etc., it just seems like they are responding to the actual threats the best way they can.


And even if planes were going to start tumbling out of the sky without heightened security procedures ::), I cannot believe that there are not reasonable alternatives to full body scans and/or crotch grabbing.Do you have any suggestions?, how do you stop the white girlfriend of a muslim extremist who's been brainwashes/coerced into getting on a plane with plastic explosives sewn in her underwear?.

LuvlyDancer
11-24-2010, 12:21 PM
I have this medical device in my arm so I can't use the scanners. I don't really care if they see me naked but I have to let them touch my cunt because mt arm is broken.

And I have to go back to the Dr soon, so I have to fly again :-(

CuriousLatina
11-24-2010, 01:00 PM
Plus I've heard TSA agents can even be high school dropouts. Do you want dropouts in charge of privacy issues? I don't.


And that is what makes it disturbing. I would feel more comfortable if they had more professional people doing this job.
While I was in college I was TSA Agent for a few months, could not tolerate working with such pure IGNORANCE. Way before these more invasive pat downs, I saw how many agents will purposely made the machines make the "BEEP" sound just to pat down a female of their likeing..after that female walked away, they would make comments, remarks, give each other the "You Go" smirk and looks... I just could not take it anymore. Also, I worked with 2 male agents that were in jail before for "minor drug charges" (according to them)

The qualifications to become TSA agents are very very low. Like KellyDancer mention, many are high school dropouts. They pay is pretty low also, so don't think they get pay a prestigious salary, normally is minimum wage or a dollar or two more. And drug tests are made not as often as they should. And training is the most absurd ever!!

I hate traveling by air due to the Check Point's experience. I know we need to be safe, and I agree with rigorous and intense searches, but if they are moving to more aggressive/invasive searches like this they need to start recruiting more professional people, (maybe health care professionals) or give them intense training on Handling the passengers, do regular drug tests, and criminal background checks, (some get the job through someone they know etc, so background checks are not made to all, at least not back then.) etc

_Avery_
11-24-2010, 01:31 PM
And that is what makes it disturbing. I would feel more comfortable if they had more professional people doing this job.
While I was in college I was TSA Agent for a few months, could not tolerate working with such pure IGNORANCE. Way before these more invasive pat downs, I saw how many agents will purposely made the machines make the "BEEP" sound just to pat down a female of their likeing..after that female walked away, they would make comments, remarks, give each other the "You Go" smirk and looks... I just could not take it anymore. Also, I worked with 2 male agents that were in jail before for "minor drug charges" (according to them)



Omg, that's fucking disgusting!
That seriously just makes my skin crawl.

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 02:30 PM
It could be a muslim girlfriend, but I specifically put white because there are guys in the sleeper cells here who are instructed to seek out and date lonely, isolated "American" women and try to indoctrinate them-it will help them get marriage visas and they sometimes can even be used in operations like Jihad Jane:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_Jane

jimboe7373
11-24-2010, 02:32 PM
Way before these more invasive pat downs, I saw how many agents will purposely made the machines make the "BEEP" sound just to pat down a female of their likeing..after that female walked away, they would make comments, remarks, give each other the "You Go" smirk and looks...No one reported them, even confidentially? I'm pretty sure the charges for that would be pretty serious.

Melonie
11-24-2010, 02:51 PM
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/25902334/detail.html