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MarvelGirl
01-04-2011, 04:43 PM
GFE CAN be fully covered. I know wonderful ladies who get great rates and GFE reviews and do everything covered. I said I am not GFE because I don't want to open mouth kiss someone - a peck on the lips is fine, having some strangers tongue swirl around my tonsils makes me ill.



Some escort advertising malls and review boards will not allow you to advertise yourself as GFE if you do not provide BBBJ. You don't have to like it or agree with it but it is a fact. Escorts advertising as GFE on these venues cannot be fully covered.

Clare
01-04-2011, 06:28 PM
Some escort advertising malls and review boards will not allow you to advertise yourself as GFE if you do not provide BBBJ. You don't have to like it or agree with it but it is a fact. Escorts advertising as GFE on these venues cannot be fully covered.

Well I'm lucky I work in an area where BBBJ isn't needed to be GFE.

http://www.sexwork.com/subcontents/abbreviations.html

http://www.sexwork.com/Intimacy/GFE.html

And TER and Redbook both have pages where they state that GFE is meaningless these days due to the confusion.

I've also been doing this work for 14 years so I'm a fiend about condoms and I came of age when HIV was starting to be known - I had two friends in high school die of AIDS when it was a quick, painful death sentence.

There was a brief time when I did offer BBBJ but seriously the worry, the constant fear of catching something, just wasn't worth it.

I guess I've been lucky and found quality clients who appreciate more than the indiviual acts involved; I think a certain caliber of men even appreciate my safety measures. An experience is what WE, the illusionist, makes it. We can give BBBJ but if it's cold and mechanical, is it as good as a covered BJ from a warm, sensual woman who makes eye contact, smiles and acts like she ENJOYS it?

Eric Stoner
01-05-2011, 08:34 AM
GFE CAN be fully covered. I know wonderful ladies who get great rates and GFE reviews and do everything covered. I said I am not GFE because I don't want to open mouth kiss someone - a peck on the lips is fine, having some strangers tongue swirl around my tonsils makes me ill.

And bareback girls are really risking a lot. Even with a clear AIM test/bill of health how can they know the guy they're seeing didn't have unprotected gay sex? CL and it's casual encounters has made hooking up way too easy and convenient - I quit doing bbbj (and NEVER to completion) after a guy, in postcoital cuddle, told me about an amazing all male threeway he had the week before and how he was "worried now cuz they didn't wrap up". I will never forget the sinking feeling in my stomach.

When a man contacts me and even ASKS for BB sex, he goes on my DO NOT SEE list. I also know of other ladies who do offer BB FS - client who has ED issues admitted to me a couple of names, another client confirmed he too was offered this - and I try not to see guys who have seen them. It's amazing what some people will do for an extra $100...because let's be real, not every BB provider is getting THOUSANDS for her risk.

I'm very sorry but if EVERYTHING is covered it just ain't GFE. Wishes and buts are not candies and nuts.

I don't know who these ladies are that you are referring to who get "GFE reviews" with "everything covered" but somebody somewhere is playing fast and loose with a few facts.

Can you be "GFE" without DFK ? Hmmm. I wouldn't describe it as such and neither would any seasoned hobbyist I know. That's why they invented the terms "PARTIAL GFE" or "LIMITED GFE".

Please don't misunderstand. Nobody has more respect for individual tastes, limits and comfort zones than I do. "No" means NO afaic and I have never disrespected any lady's speed limits or mileage limitations. Like most reputable hobbyists. Almost all in fact. I do however have a fetish for truth in advertising and proper labeling. Advertising oneself as "GFE" without making any limitation or qualification clear beforehand will do nothing but hurt an escort's reputation and affect her reviews. And it's a VERY rare escort who can shrug off poor or discounted reviews.

As we've posted, AIM tests have recently taken a few hits and most escorts consider them to be meaningless pieces of paper. As would I, btw. Likewise, any female escort who knowing sees bisexual men without taking extra precautions is being very foolish imho. And placing a lot of other people at risk.

Eric Stoner
01-05-2011, 08:38 AM
Well I'm lucky I work in an area where BBBJ isn't needed to be GFE.

http://www.sexwork.com/subcontents/abbreviations.html

http://www.sexwork.com/Intimacy/GFE.html

And TER and Redbook both have pages where they state that GFE is meaningless these days due to the confusion.

I've also been doing this work for 14 years so I'm a fiend about condoms and I came of age when HIV was starting to be known - I had two friends in high school die of AIDS when it was a quick, painful death sentence.

There was a brief time when I did offer BBBJ but seriously the worry, the constant fear of catching something, just wasn't worth it.

I guess I've been lucky and found quality clients who appreciate more than the indiviual acts involved; I think a certain caliber of men even appreciate my safety measures. An experience is what WE, the illusionist, makes it. We can give BBBJ but if it's cold and mechanical, is it as good as a covered BJ from a warm, sensual woman who makes eye contact, smiles and acts like she ENJOYS it?

As I've said, tastes and preferences vary among hobbyists. Many men appreciate the enhanced safety but it ain't GFE as that term is commonly used and understood. Regardless of the charm and personality of the provider.

beckatron
01-05-2011, 10:50 AM
Damn! My props to you ladies! I'm well read, intelligent (He calls me his little nerd) I listen to everything from Schubert to johnny Cash. but the one thing that would hold me back is my 20+ tattoos.
C'est la vie.
If escorting is something you'd like to do I vote go for it, tattoos or not. There are a handful of successful midrange escorts in my city who are loaded with body art (including scarification in 2 cases). Altgirl looks can be really popular - set a rate you're comfortable with and work it!

beckatron
01-05-2011, 11:14 AM
Well I'm lucky I work in an area where BBBJ isn't needed to be GFE.
In Canada GFE includes DFK and BBBJ. CBJ is SGFE here (safe girlfriend), other places call it L(imited)GFE or P(artial)GFE.


There was a brief time when I did offer BBBJ but seriously the worry, the constant fear of catching something, just wasn't worth it.
I'm sorry to hear about your friends :( Its really cool that you work in a framework you're comfortable with, it makes me happy that women have the right to choose their service menus.

That been said, Imma jack the thread for a sec to toss in that the connection between HIV and oral is hugely misunderstood. The Canadian AIDS society calls oral sex both ways a "negligible risk". Like really really really superlow, much lower than your chances of HPV or HSV with a condom. Oral Sex and "Safer Sex Counselling": Existing Views and Recommendations (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/hiv-vih/oral-eng.php)has a great synopsis, its about halfway down the page. Just above it that section there's the actual numbers and cases :)

Sorry to jack.

Clare
01-05-2011, 11:22 AM
In Canada GFE includes DFK and BBBJ. CBJ is SGFE here (safe girlfriend), other places call it L(imited)GFE or P(artial)GFE.


I'm sorry to hear about your friends :( Its really cool that you work in a framework you're comfortable with, it makes me happy that women have the right to choose their service menus.

That been said, Imma jack the thread for a sec to toss in that the connection between HIV and oral is hugely misunderstood. The Canadian AIDS society calls oral sex both ways a "negligible risk". Like really really really superlow, much lower than your chances of HPV or HSV with a condom. Oral Sex and "Safer Sex Counselling": Existing Views and Recommendations (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/hiv-vih/oral-eng.php)has a great synopsis, its about halfway down the page. Just above it that section there's the actual numbers and cases :)

Sorry to jack.


<blush> yeah I know your chances are extremely low but seriously lol, I'm a hypochondriac bigtime. Lol, when I would do a bbbj I would be thinking ..." I hope I didn't scrub my teeth too hard before this" lol

Eric Stoner
01-05-2011, 12:28 PM
In Canada GFE includes DFK and BBBJ. CBJ is SGFE here (safe girlfriend), other places call it L(imited)GFE or P(artial)GFE.


I'm sorry to hear about your friends :( Its really cool that you work in a framework you're comfortable with, it makes me happy that women have the right to choose their service menus.

That been said, Imma jack the thread for a sec to toss in that the connection between HIV and oral is hugely misunderstood. The Canadian AIDS society calls oral sex both ways a "negligible risk". Like really really really superlow, much lower than your chances of HPV or HSV with a condom. Oral Sex and "Safer Sex Counselling": Existing Views and Recommendations (http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/publicat/epiu-aepi/hiv-vih/oral-eng.php)has a great synopsis, its about halfway down the page. Just above it that section there's the actual numbers and cases :)

Sorry to jack.

There are other things besides just AIDS to worry about. One of which is a nasty, fungal STD whose name I forget. CIM is a GREAT way to get it although rinsing immediately afterwards can radically reduce the risk. Sorry we couldn't keep this more... um... poetic.

BustyAmeera
01-05-2011, 12:33 PM
Hopefully you all are staying covered and not offering bare anything. Low risk or not, the money is not worth a disease. Period.

tempest666
01-05-2011, 12:45 PM
I'm lost... here's what I've learned
GFE-girlfriend experience
PSE- porn star experience
BBBJ-2 extra b's blow job :p
WTF-what the fuck?

BustyAmeera
01-05-2011, 12:51 PM
People just have different opinions. When I use to do this, I got a lot of guys asking for GFE, and they wanted to cuddle and kiss, but still wanted things covered. Covered BJ.

I used to advertise GFE and stayed covered, and got calls for...GFE. Everyone is going to come on here with x amount of opinions, and opinionated people will always claim what THEY say is the right way.

Some will say well would you do things with your boyfriend/husband girlfriend/wife covered? That is not the point. The point is that people are fucking strangers for money, and need to cover up. I had guys who had the fantasy of a girl friend experience, but would never get with someone and not use protection.

Eric Stoner
01-05-2011, 01:12 PM
I'm lost... here's what I've learned
GFE-girlfriend experience
PSE- porn star experience
BBBJ-2 extra b's blow job :p
WTF-what the fuck?

BBBJ = "Bareback blow job" = bj w/o a condom
CIM = "Cum in mouth "
BBBJTC= BBBJ resulting in CIM
BBBJTCNQNS = BBBJ resulting in CIM and swallowing

Eric Stoner
01-05-2011, 01:17 PM
People just have different opinions. When I use to do this, I got a lot of guys asking for GFE, and they wanted to cuddle and kiss, but still wanted things covered. Covered BJ.

I used to advertise GFE and stayed covered, and got calls for...GFE. Everyone is going to come on here with x amount of opinions, and opinionated people will always claim what THEY say is the right way.

Some will say well would you do things with your boyfriend/husband girlfriend/wife covered? That is not the point. The point is that people are fucking strangers for money, and need to cover up. I had guys who had the fantasy of a girl friend experience, but would never get with someone and not use protection.

I'm sorry but this is nothing more than personal nomenclature. Today, if you advertised yourself as "GFE" and then insisted that everything be covered it would have negative ramifications. Your reviews would highlight the misrepresentation and you'd get busted on the boards.

There is nothing wrong with being a "safety girl". Nothing whatsoever. Plenty of such escorts get plenty of business. But if you don't kiss and don't offer bbbj then it's not a good idea to use "gfe" in your advertising.

Redwolf
01-05-2011, 01:19 PM
Well I'm lucky I work in an area where BBBJ isn't needed to be GFE.

http://www.sexwork.com/subcontents/abbreviations.html

http://www.sexwork.com/Intimacy/GFE.html

And TER and Redbook both have pages where they state that GFE is meaningless these days due to the confusion.

I've also been doing this work for 14 years so I'm a fiend about condoms and I came of age when HIV was starting to be known - I had two friends in high school die of AIDS when it was a quick, painful death sentence.

There was a brief time when I did offer BBBJ but seriously the worry, the constant fear of catching something, just wasn't worth it.

I guess I've been lucky and found quality clients who appreciate more than the indiviual acts involved; I think a certain caliber of men even appreciate my safety measures. An experience is what WE, the illusionist, makes it. We can give BBBJ but if it's cold and mechanical, is it as good as a covered BJ from a warm, sensual woman who makes eye contact, smiles and acts like she ENJOYS it?

Clare, I am glad that you do what you are comfortable with. It sounds like you believe that you offer a more passionate experience by playing in your comfort zone. That makes sense. I would never ask a lady to do something that she is not comfortable with, and in fact, that is why I prefer that she tells me (or commands) what she wants. I know that the more she enjoys herself, the more I will enjoy myself.

GFE is meaningless to me because so many people use it to mean different things. Some GFE girls will even upsell ($50 more to kiss). I will say that it does seem to be pretty generally held that GFE includes DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. Myself personally I think that a girl can offer a GFE and limit herself to CBJ. I prefer BBBJ.

That is why I would advise reading reviews over just looking at advertisements.

That said, a date with an escort is paying her for her time and companionship. What happens between consenting adults is up to them. And often YMMV. I know of a lady that was known to practice CBJ. I think that she offered BBBJ to a few clients but didn't want that in her reviews because all guys would expect it. Recently, it is appeared in her reviews that she offers BBBJ but always followed by the caveat YMMV. It was hurting her business. So she wants it known that she does offer BBBJ. She just doesn't do it for every client.

The Exotic Review in fact limits the rating that a reviewer can give to an escort if she does not offer BBBJ or DFK. If she does offers both of those, the reviewer can give her a maximum score of 9, 8 if she offers only one, and 7 if neither.

"In order to keep our performance ratings consistent, we set up the following system: An escort provider is only eligible to earn up to a 7, unless she is willing to perform one or some of the following during a session: Kisses With Tongue, Bare-Back Blow Job, Really Bi, and Anal Sex. For each of these services that are offered, her potential max score is raised by one point, with 10 as an absolute maximum.

"This does not mean she earns extra points for offering the service(s); just that she is now eligible for a higher score. Her maximum eligible score is based on what is offered, not what is performed during your session with her. You may or may not be interested in the “extra” services she offers, but the fact she offers them makes her eligible for the higher score.

"If your review rates a provider higher than her maximum score, the score will be adjusted down to her maximum."

Tempest,
BBBJ = bare back blow job (without condom)
CBJ = condom blow job

BustyAmeera
01-05-2011, 01:29 PM
Actually it wasn't long ago, and I never had a bad review. Plus I went in not knowing what GFE was. Men were asking for GFE and asking for a girl friend experience, and didn't want to risk disease with uncovered acts. I can't speak about what other people experienced. Just like nobody can speak of mine.



I'm sorry but this is nothing more than personal nomenclature. Today, if you advertised yourself as "GFE" and then insisted that everything be covered it would have negative ramifications. Your reviews would highlight the misrepresentation and you'd get busted on the boards.

There is nothing wrong with being a "safety girl". Nothing whatsoever. Plenty of such escorts get plenty of business. But if you don't kiss and don't offer bbbj then it's not a good idea to use "gfe" in your advertising.

exotic0690
01-05-2011, 02:06 PM
Some escort advertising malls and review boards will not allow you to advertise yourself as GFE if you do not provide BBBJ. You don't have to like it or agree with it but it is a fact. Escorts advertising as GFE on these venues cannot be fully covered.


We refer to this as a "Safe GFE"
There are plenty of lady's that offer a cbj and are well known reputable gfe providers. As mentioned..
What are these review boards you are referring to?

Casual Observer
01-05-2011, 06:51 PM
The Exotic Review in fact limits the rating that a reviewer can give to an escort if she does not offer BBBJ or DFK. If she does offers both of those, the reviewer can give her a maximum score of 9, 8 if she offers only one, and 7 if neither.


Why isn't anyone here saying that TER is a useless (if not outright fraudulent) operation that benefits neither clients nor providers? Girls get pressured into doing things they don't want to do for better TER ratings, and guys get suckered into seeing providers that aren't as advertised or reviewed. It's just sad that they continue to gain credibility.

Eric Stoner
01-07-2011, 07:22 AM
Why isn't anyone here saying that TER is a useless (if not outright fraudulent) operation that benefits neither clients nor providers? Girls get pressured into doing things they don't want to do for better TER ratings, and guys get suckered into seeing providers that aren't as advertised or reviewed. It's just sad that they continue to gain credibility.

I'm sorry C.O. but for once you are off base. TER no longer has any connection whatsoever with Mr. Elms who is currently serving a long stretch in prison for inter alia, murder conspiracy. There WERE serious problems and allegations with the site based on the behavior of Mr. Elms and several moderators focusing on pressuring escorts to see them for free. In exchange, they guaranteed them "good reviews" and suppressed "bad" reviews.

At present, the site is run by a WOMAN. Almost all the mods were replaced and afaik, its reputation has been restored. Many escorts who left the site, had their reviews pulled etc. have returned as have a number of hobbyists who also detached themselves to avoid being associated with the problems and drama I have described.

I personally know many providers who value their reviews on TER and have benefitted thereby. So it's hardly just my pov but rather that of ladies whose opinion would seem to matter a lot more than mine.

la petite sexy
01-07-2011, 08:48 AM
Whoa when did that happen?

Eric Stoner
01-07-2011, 09:34 AM
Whoa when did that happen?

When did what happen ? This is "OLD NEWS".

la petite sexy
01-07-2011, 09:39 AM
Oh. I've been hearing and reading so many complain about it lately that I thought that had to be a recent event.

Casual Observer
01-07-2011, 12:42 PM
I'm sorry C.O. but for once you are off base.

No, not really; I never said anything about TER's former management--I'm talking about present clients and their reviewing behavior and how it warps expectations. Like you said, it's not our opinion that matters on this, but the providers--and I've heard some rough tales about the current TER system from long-time pros as recently as a couple months ago.

genevievela
01-08-2011, 10:04 PM
No, not really; I never said anything about TER's former management--I'm talking about present clients and their reviewing behavior and how it warps expectations. Like you said, it's not our opinion that matters on this, but the providers--and I've heard some rough tales about the current TER system from long-time pros as recently as a couple months ago.

True. There is something to be said about a board where their reviews (higher ratings) are dependent on the level of "service" an Escort provides. Example - A girl can only receive a 10 if she provides anal etc. The ratings are based on and are higher when a girl offers unprotected services - bbbj and higher risk services - anal.

ManyRoses
01-08-2011, 10:52 PM
@MarvelGirl, Thanks for your post. I agree with the stop putting girls down because of what they are charging part as well. We are all here to support each other bottom line. Great Post hun ...=)

Absolutely!! I think that sometimes we lose sight of the fact that we are meant to be supporting each other, and that its not a competition!!

No matter what you can make in one night, or one booking, what matters more is you being happy with what you do, and what you earn. I get so frustrated with people assuming that the $800 on a Friday night girls (stripping, not escorting) are earning $800 6 days a week!! Lets stop competing over who earns the most or charges the most, and keep trading stories and advice..

Thanks so much for this post!!

MarvelGirl
01-10-2011, 02:24 AM
We refer to this as a "Safe GFE"
There are plenty of lady's that offer a cbj and are well known reputable gfe providers. As mentioned..
What are these review boards you are referring to?

Several years ago redbook decided that in order to call herself GFE, a provider needed to give BBBJ's, allow DATY and engage in DFK. There was a big blowout on the forums about it and more than a few providers were pissed about it but it happened. You probably didn't hear about it because you're in Canada.

As another poster already pointed out, a provider cannot recieve a 10 rating on TER if she does not participate in anal sex, BBBJ and other activities. I've seen girls advertising as GFE get branded as ROBs on TER for not providing these activities. That was years ago before I left that board in disgust.

I've said before that the reality in Canada is probably much different than the reality in the United States. These activities are all illegal in the states which is also why we (American providers) can get away with charging more than Canadian providers. It's really not that hard to understand.

Redwolf
01-10-2011, 07:46 AM
On TER, a provider could potentially receive a 10 without anal if she offers DFK, BBBJ, and is really bi. There aren't a lot of 10s and 9s. And escort could offer DFK (and no anal nor BBBJ nor bi) and rock guys world with her service and still be able to get 8s, which is very good.

In reality, the rating system is not much more than better-than-nothing. Most of the TER reviews are worthless (fake reviews for good or for bad, poorly done, little info, wrong info).

Eric Stoner
01-10-2011, 08:12 AM
True. There is something to be said about a board where their reviews (higher ratings) are dependent on the level of "service" an Escort provides. Example - A girl can only receive a 10 if she provides anal etc. The ratings are based on and are higher when a girl offers unprotected services - bbbj and higher risk services - anal.

NOT TRUE ! I personally know several ladies who routinely get "9" 's and even "10" 's without offering bareback sex or anal. Yes. Generally the higher the score for performance, the more "adventurous the provider. So what ?

Are there some phony reviews on TER ? Probably, but a few providers have been kicked off and banned for self posting reviews.

Do some hobbyists routinely give inflated scores to providers ? Yes but the discerning can usually pick them out .

If TER were so "terrible" and so "worthless" then why do so many hobbyists and providers participate on the boards ? Why are the M & G's so uniformly successful ?

Gabrielle_xoxo
01-10-2011, 08:47 AM
I have 2 reviews on TER, an 8 and a 9 respectively. I dont offer bbbj or anal. It's all about your attitude. I'm very nice, very friendly, and just a really sweet, genuine person. One client even wrote that he forgot he was using a service. That's how I play the game, and I haven't had any complaints as of yet. I guess everybody's take on it is different. All I know is that I will continue to be true to myself, and I'll be damned if some stupid review board is going to pressure me to do anything I don't feel comfortable doing. If somebody's that desperate for cash, or has such low self-esteem, to the point where they will break under pressure to perform certain acts they don't feel comfortable with...they need to GTFO quick!

Eric Stoner
01-10-2011, 09:49 AM
I have 2 reviews on TER, an 8 and a 9 respectively. I dont offer bbbj or anal. It's all about your attitude. I'm very nice, very friendly, and just a really sweet, genuine person. One client even wrote that he forgot he was using a service. That's how I play the game, and I haven't had any complaints as of yet. I guess everybody's take on it is different. All I know is that I will continue to be true to myself, and I'll be damned if some stupid review board is going to pressure me to do anything I don't feel comfortable doing. If somebody's that desperate for cash, or has such low self-esteem, to the point where they will break under pressure to perform certain acts they don't feel comfortable with...they need to GTFO quick!

Exactly ! with one little quibble. It's not the review board that generates the "pressure". It's the clients. I know several "safety girls' who routinely get good reviews on TER and another board.

Gabrielle_xoxo
01-10-2011, 10:06 AM
Off topic, but funny non-the-less. Last night I received a text asking if I did bbbj. (Why are some guys sooo stupid? I don't care how "cool" this guy may have been, doesn't he realize I will NEVER see him now, and forced to block?) Anyway, I texted him back explaining what he was asking for was illegal, and I offered companionship services only. I said good luck in your search, and have a great night! He then counters with..."Well lets just say you had a boyfriend, would you do it then?" I explained I was single, so I wouldn't know. He then said "Oh, you don't understand, this is all over your head" LoL! Normally I wouldn't have responded at all after the first text, but I was bored and just felt like fucking with him, lol. Oh and he's blocked now...dumbass!

Eric Stoner
01-10-2011, 10:26 AM
Off topic, but funny non-the-less. Last night I received a text asking if I did bbbj. (Why are some guys sooo stupid? I don't care how "cool" this guy may have been, doesn't he realize I will NEVER see him now, and forced to block?) Anyway, I texted him back explaining what he was asking for was illegal, and I offered companionship services only. I said good luck in your search, and have a great night! He then counters with..."Well lets just say you had a boyfriend, would you do it then?" I explained I was single, so I wouldn't know. He then said "Oh, you don't understand, this is all over your head" LoL! Normally I wouldn't have responded at all after the first text, but I was bored and just felt like fucking with him, lol. Oh and he's blocked now...dumbass!

Indeed he is and you are being smart. NEVER discuss specific activities on the phone or in writing.
NEVER !

Gabrielle_xoxo
01-10-2011, 10:43 AM
^^^NO NO NO!!! I'm not going down FUCK THAT!!! Google Voice makes it vey easy to block anybody...use it girls and BLOCK anybody and everybody that mentions anything of the sort! Like I said earlier, if you are that desperate for cash you need to GTFO quick! Your life will be that much more fucked if you take certain risks...always stay alert and dont take any chances! I cannot stress this enough.

SabrinaMorgan
01-11-2011, 12:56 AM
Oh gosh yes. On my first tour, I had someone email me - someone who, funnily enough, I am 80% sure I went to high school with - requesting some extremely explicit activities, and this was in his initial contact email. (To the guys we know are reading, never do this. Never.)

Of course, I deleted it without response... and it was a shame too, because if it was who I'm pretty sure it was, he would have done it completely without thinking. If I won't take that chance with someone I probably grew up with I am certainly not going to take it with a stranger.

$tripperbabe
02-28-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm really glad some people found this helpful. I just want to say a couple of more things.

1)This isn't about bragging. I make a VERY small income from my escorting at this point even though I charge much more than normal. That's my whole point.

Any girl can charge anything she wants but if she starts with a super high rate, she might NEVER get an appointment. Most of the girls with very high rates are relying on old clients from when they charged LESS who were extremely generous.



2)Pornstars might get that amount of money regularly. The only pornstar escorts I know work for agencies and their rates are well over $1000 but they only get 40 to 60 percent of that. I don't know of any independent pornstar escorts in the states but that might be more common in other countries. Or I could be totally out of the loop on that front. I don't claim to know everything.


3)ANY escort can charge over $1000 an hour. If she's cool with waiting two years (or more) for her first appointment, then that's her deal. If she would starve to death while waiting, then it's probably not a good idea.

Pornstars and non-pornstars alike in nyc with an agency were charging between 1500-3000. The biggest porn star agency only takes a flat rate which works out to slightly less than 1/3.



Most escorts I know have two ads one for $500 and one for $1000 and until the recession they were making more money from their VIP $1000 ads with several calls, doing huge multiple hours per week minimum. Recession prices forced some to lower their rates a little. Yes it is tougher out there now for everyone but certainly not the way you describe it.

AnnelieseBell
09-03-2015, 03:44 PM
I think it's really too bad that some girls use their rates to put others down. I thought the point of raising rates was to exclude a lot of business, not because you think you're better. If you don't want to see too many clients then you raise your rates so only guys who are willing and able to pay that amount will give you business. In my opinion women rarely start out at rates $1k & up. They start at $200-$400-$whatever & eventually realize they deserve better than the $200-$400-$whatever clients. It's not as much about the escort as it is about the clients. Or they have a job that prevents them from seeing a large number of clients. If you can only see people on Wednesday evening & Saturday morning then it wouldn't be worth it to charge only $200.

abarrett
09-04-2015, 07:01 AM
I think it's really too bad that some girls use their rates to put others down. I thought the point of raising rates was to exclude a lot of business, not because you think you're better. If you don't want to see too many clients then you raise your rates so only guys who are willing and able to pay that amount will give you business. In my opinion women rarely start out at rates $1k & up. They start at $200-$400-$whatever & eventually realize they deserve better than the $200-$400-$whatever clients. It's not as much about the escort as it is about the clients. Or they have a job that prevents them from seeing a large number of clients. If you can only see people on Wednesday evening & Saturday morning then it wouldn't be worth it to charge only $200.

I try very very hard not to put others down, but the fact of the matter is, the working conditions are sufficiently different that you simply can't relate all that well; they're not your colleagues. Anything I vent about now just comes off as implying that I'm better than them because, again, difference of conditions, creating hostility. The lower-end hourly workers then start being aggressive, and it takes a very gracious person to ignore their misbehavior; put downs often feel appropriate. Solidarity works both ways and I'm sick of effectively being silenced. I swear, if the hookers grinding away at $300/hr saw for themselves the absolutely insane amount of admin work required to reliably get business at the $2k line, they'd shush instead of seeing dollar signs and losing their heads.

gameover
09-04-2015, 11:40 AM
I try very very hard not to put others down, but the fact of the matter is, the working conditions are sufficiently different that you simply can't relate all that well; they're not your colleagues. Anything I vent about now just comes off as implying that I'm better than them because, again, difference of conditions, creating hostility. The lower-end hourly workers then start being aggressive, and it takes a very gracious person to ignore their misbehavior; put downs often feel appropriate. Solidarity works both ways and I'm sick of effectively being silenced. I swear, if the hookers grinding away at $300/hr saw for themselves the absolutely insane amount of admin work required to reliably get business at the $2k line, they'd shush instead of seeing dollar signs and losing their heads.

Admittedly, I live in a blue collar town, but I never see high end ads for over 500, most on eros are in the 3-400 range for a high. You have piqued my interest, would you mind posting a link to one of your ads? I'd love to see what a $2k escort looks like.

NoRegrets
09-04-2015, 12:36 PM
Admittedly, I live in a blue collar town, but I never see high end ads for over 500, most on eros are in the 3-400 range for a high. You have piqued my interest, would you mind posting a link to one of your ads? I'd love to see what a $2k escort looks like.

Gameover, if you look at AnnelieseBell's signature line her website gives her rates. It's 2k for four hours and 7k for a day. The high end women that I know go for that or more. Keep in mind that a semi-well known model or actress can go for a very high amount. I think that this is one reason women are trying to become Instagram famous. It allows them to charge quite a bit more. There is the old saying that I believe is true: there's no such thing as a 2k an hour escort, only a 2k an hour client. If you look at the amount of work these girls have to put in to achieve this level, I may be proven wrong.

gameover
09-04-2015, 02:48 PM
Gameover, if you look at AnnelieseBell's signature line her website gives her rates. It's 2k for four hours and 7k for a day. The high end women that I know go for that or more. Keep in mind that a semi-well known model or actress can go for a very high amount. I think that this is one reason women are trying to become Instagram famous. It allows them to charge quite a bit more. There is the old saying that I believe is true: there's no such thing as a 2k an hour escort, only a 2k an hour client. If you look at the amount of work these girls have to put in to achieve this level, I may be proven wrong.

Thanks, but I was referring to hourly rates, not extended blocks of time. I'd consider that a $500 hourly rate, not a $2k one.

sexymadness
09-08-2015, 08:24 PM
I'm glad that you are telling it like it is. And you are absolutely correct about that. They don't make the high amounts that they claim. $400/hour is not high end, but sadly a lot of girls aren't even able to get that now. The best idea if you are above market rate or even at market rate is to have a full time day job. Let's face it. This doesn't last forever and when the economy goes south, it hits us the hardest.

I don't like the cheap ho/high escort debate. Most the cheaper girls are either trying to stay busy (who the hell wants to sit around and wait for the phone to ring all day) or they are trafficked unfortunately. I used to get pissed at them, too, until I realized the reality of their situation.