View Full Version : Employee Pricing on Alcohol in Strip Clubs
jester214
12-19-2010, 02:40 PM
Except youre the missing the point- as a dancer I am an considered to be part of the club even as a contractor and that allows me to get the discount. It's the same as af I worked at walmart - I would get their discount too- but I am not allowed to use it to get customers money off- it's a termination offense at most companies called conversion.
Once the dancer or walmart cashier or whoever has the money in their hand. It belongs to them. She can give it back to me, throw it away, spend it at the race track or go by something at HER place of employment.
If she chooses to buy a drink with it. So be it. That's not theft.
If she was buying the stuff and using the discount with the intention of ME getting said stuff, you would have a sound argument.
nelly33
12-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Except he is not obligated to buy her anything, so the op isn't using his dancer to do anything. It would seem she got cut off by him so she tried to find an alternative method for him to keep buying her drinks. If anything she could be said to be stealing, but she isn't because she is just buying drinks at the price the club has set for her.
I used to go to a byob club. Everything that the club sold was $5. Cup of soda, redbull, bottled water ... $5. If a dancer sat with me and I bought her something to drink, they charged me $5. If the dancer bought it at the bar, they charged her $5. I knew a dancer that would bring her own bottled water and keep it in her locker so she didn't have to pay $5 each bottle. She offered me a bottle of her water which I accepted. I didn't cheat the club owner out of $5, she did.
But you see the point here that somebody is stealing from the club, whether it is you or not. And for those who see nothing morally wrong with skirting around the set prices at the club... I am POSITIVE it would be diffenent if you owned the club or somebody you knew did...
yoda57us
12-19-2010, 08:45 PM
Except youre the missing the point- as a dancer I am an considered to be part of the club even as a contractor and that allows me to get the discount. It's the same as af I worked at walmart - I would get their discount too- but I am not allowed to use it to get customers money off- it's a termination offense at most companies called conversion.
Well, I'm not missing any point. You are raising an entirely different issue. If a dancer is knowingly violating some sort of club rule by purchasing a drink at her discounted price while she is sitting with a customer then I would tend to agree with you on all points.
That being said, I don't see it as being a very easy thing to prove. As I mentioned earlier I don't think there are any clubs in my area that offer a dancer discount on anything other than water and soda. I think this debate offers a pretty clear reason as to why.
nelly33
12-19-2010, 10:11 PM
Well, I'm not missing any point. You are raising an entirely different issue. If a dancer is knowingly violating some sort of club rule by purchasing a drink at her discounted price while she is sitting with a customer then I would tend to agree with you on all points.
That being said, I don't see it as being a very easy thing to prove. As I mentioned earlier I don't think there are any clubs in my area that offer a dancer discount on anything other than water and soda. I think this debate offers a pretty clear reason as to why.
I agree with you here. Most clubs avoid the problem by not offering a discount on alcoholic drinks to customers. I have a hard time believing that any club that does give discounts to girls though would have a rule against the behaviour we are talking about though.
On another note, being hard to prove does not make it right. I understand this isn't what you are saying, but just because something isn't possible to prove doesn't make it ethically right.
I had a girl that worked in my club who didn't drink alcohol, and when a customer offered her a non-alcoholic drink, she would decline, and play the angel saying something along the lines of she didn't want the custy to waste 5 bucks on a bottle of water. She was warned about this several times, because although as a customer you would appreciate this, she is taking money out of the clubs pocket. Is this kind of action stealing? Of course not, but it is a firing offense. Again, taking money out of the owners pocket goes directly against the purpose of a strip club, and anything that does that intentionally is a firing offense, even if it isn't stealing I feel.
jasmine22
12-19-2010, 10:21 PM
There are clubs out there that charge a lot less for drinks, usually dives, or most clubs have happy hour specials. Also try finding a club where girls arent required to sell so many drinks a night(its $$ off there house fee the more they sell or they get paid for them). Ive never worked at a club like that so Ive never pushed for drinks.
I would be happier with a guy buying dances than drinks I guess finding the right girl/club is key if this is an issue.
rickdugan
12-20-2010, 08:59 AM
Just pay the full price. Do you go to Target or Walmart and ask for the employee discount. Youre not entitled to one.
Why are you so damn concerned for the owner's profit? Do they not make enough money? Are you married to a club owner?
Amy, I actually had the same question.
No problem with me if you have some affiliation with a club owner or manager, but if so then it would helpful for us to have full context for your comments.
AmyLynne
12-20-2010, 09:30 AM
I have no affiliation with a club owner or manager. I do have a belief that businesses should expect that their policies be complied with by their employees or contractors.
Because giving away an employee discount is just the precursor to now the customers want us to give them discounts. The more we give in the more we'll see our income go down.
rickdugan
12-20-2010, 10:17 AM
Fair enough, but if you are not affiliated with management and are otherwise not trying to suck up to a club owner/manager then I do find your point of view to be a little baffling.
Let me first say that I have no pony in this race as I have never seen discounted liquor for dancers. However, I have had girls coach me in how to order to obtain maximum liquor for my buck. For example, in one club in RI a dancer informed me - rightly - that I could get more liquor, for the same price, by ordering my alcohol straight and my mixer as a back rather than ordering a mixed drink (this was before I switched to straight Jack). In one club in Queens an enterprising dancer offered to help me navigate which booze types were less watered than others.
No doubt in these and a couple of other cases the girls assumed that less money to the bartender would translate into more money for them. In a sense they were right as I was grateful for the help. Also, I really don't buy the theory that a discounted drink will lead a guy to request a discount on dances.
With all the things that club owners and managers do to the girls nowadays, I am surprised to find a dancer so concerned about ensuring maximum profitability for her club's management. Interesting. :)
AmyLynne
12-20-2010, 05:01 PM
I am pro business. Ive studied the business model of several clubs and understand that aspect of it. My degree is in business management. I didnt used to care about what the owners and managers did and god knows how many times Ive been fired for breaking policies but things change when you take on the responsibility of another human life and providing for them.
I dont think its stealing but it does hurt the bottom line and if every customer did it, how long would it take to show up in the bottom line? Not long!
Clubs are not cheap to own or manage. Insurance often costs as much as rent. It all adds up.
KS_Stevia
12-22-2010, 07:20 PM
For example, in one club in RI a dancer informed me - rightly - that I could get more liquor, for the same price, by ordering my alcohol straight and my mixer as a back rather than ordering a mixed drink (this was before I switched to straight Jack). )
This works well in regular bars and clubs too!
So, I've never bought custy drink with my employee discount. And I've had bartenders, managers, and owners getting me free drinks all the time over the years.
But if I was a super heavy drinker, and it would take $30 of each customers money to get me where I needed to be, I would have no qualms ripping off the club to feed my alcoholism. Right or wrong, that's the way most people think.
It doesn't drive up drink prices because it doesn't happen on a regular basis. Hell, I've never even thought to do it!
Rookie2010
12-24-2010, 04:17 PM
Why should your average customer care whether or not the club is meeting their bottom line? I doubt someone getting a dollar off of a $5-6 drink here and there is fucking up their $$$ overall..alcohol in any given club is 300-400% higher than outside, im not worried about some club going under over a dollar or two, if a dancer wants to buy two drinks at employee discount with my money, that is her choice, not mine, if offered a cheaper drink, why would any sane person, say "No thank you, the club won't meet it's bottom line"
Relax.
nelly33
12-25-2010, 12:05 AM
Why should your average customer care whether or not the club is meeting their bottom line? I doubt someone getting a dollar off of a $5-6 drink here and there is fucking up their $$$ overall..alcohol in any given club is 300-400% higher than outside, im not worried about some club going under over a dollar or two, if a dancer wants to buy two drinks at employee discount with my money, that is her choice, not mine, if offered a cheaper drink, why would any sane person, say "No thank you, the club won't meet it's bottom line"
Relax.
You're missing the poin. Obviously the customer won't care, but anybody who is working in the club should care... grounds for termination.