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Virtualloveaffair
01-20-2011, 03:35 PM
Thanks for your reply, will the text chat hours timed? so we know we did at least 4 hours?
thanks :)
Yes - you'll see a running total of the time.
vivianbear
01-20-2011, 04:43 PM
A few questions:
Does the site have any policies on models advertising their own personal websites/members' sites? Where does the site stand on models self-promoting projects outside the site? Are we allowed to sell content with our own logos/URLS burned into them, for instance?
Are you keeping the function for "goals" and if so, will the model be able to post her own goals or different goals at a time?
This does sound rather intriguing but I wouldn't want it to become oppositional to my goals of supporting my own indy-cam business. One thing I hate about MGF is they somehow want girls who cam but are exclusively confined to that one site (they make you sign a non-compete upon applying). Are your policies around this issue?
Thanks!
Virtualloveaffair
01-20-2011, 06:44 PM
A few questions:
Does the site have any policies on models advertising their own personal websites/members' sites? Where does the site stand on models self-promoting projects outside the site? Are we allowed to sell content with our own logos/URLS burned into them, for instance?
Are you keeping the function for "goals" and if so, will the model be able to post her own goals or different goals at a time?
This does sound rather intriguing but I wouldn't want it to become oppositional to my goals of supporting my own indy-cam business. One thing I hate about MGF is they somehow want girls who cam but are exclusively confined to that one site (they make you sign a non-compete upon applying). Are your policies around this issue?
Thanks!
Hi there-
answers to your Q's
We do have a no advertising policy so you wouldn't be allowed to promote other interests. Obviously we need to protect our investment. We wouldn't last long if the site was just a vehicle for participants to meet our members and point them elsewhere.
Naturally we love having cam models as Virtual Girlfriends. We've taken a policy decision not to offer live cam not just to make the site different for our members but also for the women that get involved (as they know that they're not going to be asked to live cam during the time they're on our site). If we were to allow Virtual Girlfriends to advertise live cam elsewhere we wouldn't just be losing business but we would also have all the women on the site constantly being harassed to give out live cam aliases and immediately go to meet up on a live cam site.
On the subject of goals, we were all for them to begin with. Feedback that we got from this forum convinced us that the majority of Virtual Girlfriends would feel uncomfortable with a system that gave a guide to earnings. We're happy for anyone who wants to to post details of how much they've made/how far they have to go, but we won't be making any of this available to members ourselves. We do think that members will be interested in what goals you'll be spending your money on, so we include that as part of your profile.
Would participating be "oppositional" to your indy-cam business goals? Only in so far as you wouldn't be able to advertise that business. Otherwise we don't look to replace anyone's live cam activity - just add another income option. As we have an automated 'pay to see' content system you can stack up a pile of things for our members to buy and they can buy them whether you're on-line to make the sale or not. By definition live cam is not likely to be making you money when you're chilling out watching TV or asleep in bed. Virtual Love Affair is something you can dip into on your downtime and make sales on all the time.
No one that joins us is exclusively confined to us. We recognise that most of our Virtual Girlfriends are web professionals with other interests. We just think that this is something else they might be able to fit in. Non-compete clauses are anyway almost universally invalid and we wouldn't want one anyway.
For non-compete clauses from any business that uses California as the jurisdiction for it's terms and conditions? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause - scroll down to California and have a good laugh. The fact is there's pretty much nowhere in the western world that will uphold a non-compete clause for anyone lower down the professional food chain than a nuclear scientist. It's called 'restraint of trade' and generally frowned upon in the wonderful world we call capitalism.
vivianbear
01-20-2011, 07:02 PM
Would participating be "oppositional" to your indy-cam business goals? Only in so far as you wouldn't be able to advertise that business. Otherwise we don't look to replace anyone's live cam activity - just add another income option. As we have an automated 'pay to see' content system you can stack up a pile of things for our members to buy and they can buy them whether you're on-line to make the sale or not. By definition live cam is not likely to be making you money when you're chilling out watching TV or asleep in bed. Virtual Love Affair is something you can dip into on your downtime and make sales on all the time.
I, personally, won't work for a site that prohibits me from posting content that has my personal URL burned onto it. Are you saying you would NOT prohibit me from burning my URL/logo onto my content that I sell through your site's pay-to-view? Obviously, passive income is attractive (not something new so please quit acting like you invented pay-to-view content sales) but what's the point of making money off my content when I can't even claim it on THAT site as MY exclusive content? What's the point of branding myself if you won't let me site my brand when I sell it through you?
I understand your stance on it, which is why I have goals to work primarily for myself and then only for sites that don't see such tactics as competitive to their own. Ladies, if you want to have a great pay-to-view option for your guys or stores for exclusive conent sales, you really should just stick to the Clips4Sale/Kinkbomb-style places. Even signing up for NF and using only the PTV buttons is a great option. They are neutral, offer more payment options (some of us DETEST the e-wallet shit) and are catering to those of us who truly want to optimize our earnings and control how we drive our traffic to ourselves. Stop essentially selling your content to these types and control it completely.
This isn't doing anything for us that hasn't been done before and certainly not as or more effectively.
Virtualloveaffair
01-20-2011, 08:22 PM
I, personally, won't work for a site that prohibits me from posting content that has my personal URL burned onto it. Are you saying you would NOT prohibit me from burning my URL/logo onto my content that I sell through your site's pay-to-view? Obviously, passive income is attractive (not something new so please quit acting like you invented pay-to-view content sales) but what's the point of making money off my content when I can't even claim it on THAT site as MY exclusive content? What's the point of branding myself if you won't let me site my brand when I sell it through you?
I understand your stance on it, which is why I have goals to work primarily for myself and then only for sites that don't see such tactics as competitive to their own. Ladies, if you want to have a great pay-to-view option for your guys or stores for exclusive conent sales, you really should just stick to the Clips4Sale/Kinkbomb-style places. Even signing up for NF and using only the PTV buttons is a great option. They are neutral, offer more payment options (some of us DETEST the e-wallet shit) and are catering to those of us who truly want to optimize our earnings and control how we drive our traffic to ourselves. Stop essentially selling your content to these types and control it completely.
This isn't doing anything for us that hasn't been done before and certainly not as or more effectively.
Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was saying that we don't allow content with offsite links burned onto it (as this goes against the no advertising policy).
I'm certainly not claiming that we invented pay-per-click, but I think it's worth pointing out that we operate it as it makes us different from the "nail every sale in chat" approach required at MGF.
I don't think that we're the same as sites like Clips4Sale/Kinkbomb on a number of levels. With them there's no personal connection with the models producing the content, they take a larger cut of earnings and they generally seem to be filled with a jungle of anonymous content trawled from the net.
I can't see how you get enough of a profile or following on any of these sites to make automatic sales. Naturally you could use any of those sites as a sales point that you direct people you meet on live cam to - but then that's really a sale you made on cam.
The alternatives you're suggesting don't seem to give any scope for women making their personalities part of their on-line sales strategies (unless you're simply suggesting that they use them as content sale banks - in which case, why make a lower percentage?).
Nobody is selling their content to us - we're a marketplace. As for control, you retain the copyright.
Being able to advertise on sites that you participate in is obviously something that's vitally important to you so our no advertising policy naturally rules us out. Clearly you have a strong focus on what works for you and a healthy suspicion of site operators and I respect that. However the alternatives you're suggesting actually don't seem like a better deal in terms of facilities or financial reward for anyone that doesn't need all of their sold content to be burned through with another site's URL.
MissEgo
02-02-2011, 12:00 PM
VLA goes live in like a week!! I'm so excited!!
Quick question re: watermarking... Can we watermark with just our name? Like could I put for example, "Miss Ego", if that were my name on VLA, across my pictures?
Virtualloveaffair
02-02-2011, 01:14 PM
VLA goes live in like a week!! I'm so excited!!
Quick question re: watermarking... Can we watermark with just our name? Like could I put for example, "Miss Ego", if that were my name on VLA, across my pictures?
Yes, you can watermark with your site name if you like. And thanks for reminding me that I had to pop on here and leave a "going live next week" message (exact day to be announced - and I will remember to come back and post it here when we have the day set). $25 pre-launch bonus expires on launch day, so if you think the site might work for you, now's a good time to get involved.
Everyone who has been part of this thread has been a great help in informing our approach, allowing us to explain our thinking and boosting our recruitment. Many thanks to you all for your time.
eroteea
02-03-2011, 02:15 AM
it is up and working or not yet?
Virtualloveaffair
02-03-2011, 02:19 AM
it is up and working or not yet?
See my "going live next week" message above
Alysa
02-04-2011, 10:31 PM
How long does it take to get approved? I signed up like 2 or 3 days ago and haven't heard anything back.
MissEgo
02-04-2011, 10:50 PM
I was approved pretty quickly; log in and look in the top right corner of your profile - does it say "awaiting approval" or "profile live on site"? (or something similar to those).
Alysa
02-04-2011, 10:58 PM
Now it is. Lol.
I can't remember. Are we supposed to upload a picture of us holding a piece of paper with our name or something? Can't remember if it was this or another site I signed up on.
MissEgo
02-04-2011, 11:35 PM
I have two pictures on my page of me holding a piece of paper with "Virtual Love Affair" and my model name written on it.
MissEgo
02-04-2011, 11:37 PM
Bottom right of your profile there is a box for uploading pictures that says:
ID/fansign images show you (with your face visible) holding a card with the site name. These images prove to members that you are the person in your profile. DO NOT upload copies of personal ID documents - we have to remove them for your personal safety.
Your Profile image must show your face.
Alysa
02-04-2011, 11:59 PM
Ok. Thanks! Probably why I haven't been approved yet. I don't have those up yet. My camera just broke so I'll have use my webcam for the time being till I get a new one. Luckily I already have a bunch of pictures I can upload so I'll have some content up.
MissEgo
02-05-2011, 12:03 AM
I used my webcam for those pics as well.
You can only upload max 250k for a photo, so you might want to edit those before you upload; the site seems to load pages really slowly for me, so it's always a pain when my pictures are too big.
Virtualloveaffair
02-05-2011, 02:58 AM
I used my webcam for those pics as well.
You can only upload max 250k for a photo, so you might want to edit those before you upload; the site seems to load pages really slowly for me, so it's always a pain when my pictures are too big.
We're aware of the page load speed issue. We're developing a fix for this now and it'll be in place before the site goes live.
MsJess
02-05-2011, 08:09 PM
I do not like the idea of not being able to delete the content we upload, i understand we cannot delete content that's was bought by a custy, but by mistake i uploaded a picture twice and now i cannot delete it... bs.
neliana
02-05-2011, 09:16 PM
^^Yeah thats the only issue I have so far with virtualloveaffair. I wanted to change my profile fan sign pix to something more flattering (took the pix w/no makeup because I didn't realize the custys would see those pix! lol) and I want to take one down from my public area but it won't let me. Besides that I am really excited for the official launch of the site!
MsJess
02-05-2011, 09:26 PM
yeh site sounds great to me really! but now im doubting becouse of that...! what to do...
Virtualloveaffair
02-06-2011, 03:52 AM
I do not like the idea of not being able to delete the content we upload, i understand we cannot delete content that's was bought by a custy, but by mistake i uploaded a picture twice and now i cannot delete it... bs.
If you don't want an image to display on your profile you can either 1/. move it to your private folder using the image editing page (unless you attach it to a content package no one else will ever see it but you) 2/. send us a message and ask us to delete it and we will.
The reasoning behind not having a delete button is that it means participants have a permanent visual record of the content that they have uploaded to the site. This may not seem too important when we're just starting out, but after the site has been running a while it means you don't have to remember what you've already uploaded or used in a content package.
As said, if it's in your private folder and you don't attach it to a content package you're the only person that will ever see it. Hope this helps - and if you really want to lose a duplicate image rather than have it sitting unused in your private folder, let us know and we'll get rid of it.
Virtualloveaffair
02-06-2011, 03:59 AM
^^Yeah thats the only issue I have so far with virtualloveaffair. I wanted to change my profile fan sign pix to something more flattering (took the pix w/no makeup because I didn't realize the custys would see those pix! lol) and I want to take one down from my public area but it won't let me. Besides that I am really excited for the official launch of the site!
Once the fansigns have been approved they're locked down. This is because we don't want to have to keep going back and approving new fansigns on live accounts. Unless we checked them again every time an ID image was changed a Virtual Girlfriend could swap her fansign images for others that are not valid fansigns.
If you want to swap a fansign image we are happy to do that for you - just send an email with the new fansign image to
[email protected] (including your site name) and we'll get it changed.
Alysa
02-08-2011, 09:32 PM
Can we put our wish list in our profile?
Virtualloveaffair
02-09-2011, 01:34 AM
Can we put our wish list in our profile?
We're saying no to wishlists for now, but we'll review in the future.
We appreciate that often someone might want to send you a wishlist item with no strings, but there are other times when they'll send something as part of an informal deal (e.g. you've agreed to let them have a picture set featuring a wishlist item of clothing or for item x you'll send them content y).
At the moment we've got a simple content package sale model - member pays you x, they get instant access to content y. With this system we can always be sure that our members have got what they paid for. If we allow the option of side deals through wishlist item exchanges for content items or promises, we immediately have the possibility of members being let down by a Virtual Girlfriend not delivering whatever their side of the bargain was. We don't want to have that possibility at the moment.
MissEgo
02-09-2011, 01:45 AM
When you review the possibility in the future... What about having a wishlist feature on the site, like MyFreeImplants? It'd have to be set up similar, I'd imagine, so that personal contact info wasn't given out... I believe they only allow items sold by Amazon to be put on the list, so that the guys don't have access to the girls' shipping address.
And if that gets set up, how about having certain content only available to someone who buys off the wishlist? Example... If I have a pair of shoes from Amazon on my list, the guy who buys me the shoes gets my Valentines Day photo shoot pictures, or something. I have no clue if that'd be possible to set up so that it's instantaneous like the current model, I'm just thinking it'd be cool.
Virtualloveaffair
02-09-2011, 02:11 AM
When you review the possibility in the future... What about having a wishlist feature on the site, like MyFreeImplants? It'd have to be set up similar, I'd imagine, so that personal contact info wasn't given out... I believe they only allow items sold by Amazon to be put on the list, so that the guys don't have access to the girls' shipping address.
And if that gets set up, how about having certain content only available to someone who buys off the wishlist? Example... If I have a pair of shoes from Amazon on my list, the guy who buys me the shoes gets my Valentines Day photo shoot pictures, or something. I have no clue if that'd be possible to set up so that it's instantaneous like the current model, I'm just thinking it'd be cool.
I appreciate that it is something that would be good for the girls to have but having seen it in action on MFI I'm not convinced we would want it. I've seen more than one instance on MFI of guys blogging about how they sent something off a wishlist and never got what was agreed in return and likewise from the girls side there have been stories of content handed over for wishlist stuff that never arrived.
From our point of view it introduces the possibility for members or Virtual Girlfriends to not follow through on an informal deal and people to be let down. Unfortunately if we introduce a third party facility like a standard wishlist there's no way of us having control over this. Amazon aren't going to tell us what items you've been sent - and even if they did we would have to go back and unravel the informal deal made in the chat session records to find out if everything had been done fairly.
It is possible that we might be able to come up with a wishlist supplier system that would allow you to peg content item x to purchase of item y. We would need any such system to be explicit and automatic (so instead of the normal site credit transfer triggering attached content access, confirmed wishlist purchase item sale would). Amazon wouldn't work, but we may be able to find a supplier that would send purchase confirmations to the site system. We'll see what we can come up with in the future.
Alysa
02-09-2011, 06:35 AM
Maybe you could put a disclaimer or something like "buying a model something from their wishlist does not mean the model owes you anything in return" or something better worded lol. I know some guys just like to be nice and don't ask for anything in return.
Virtualloveaffair
02-09-2011, 08:05 AM
Maybe you could put a disclaimer or something like "buying a model something from their wishlist does not mean the model owes you anything in return" or something better worded lol. I know some guys just like to be nice and don't ask for anything in return.
MFI have got that disclaimer, but that doesn't stop guys or girls that feel they've been let down making a stink in blogs. Unfortunately guys are always going to feel that if it happened through the site, the site should make it right. I've got some sympathy with that from a user point of view. Also as a site owner I think you should take responsibility for the features you offer through the site or not include them.
As we have the marketplace side nicely locked down (member pays/he receives) we don't want to include features outside of our control that could lead to either a member or Virtual Girlfriend being disappointed with their site experience.
As said, we will look in the future to see if there's a way that allows a type of wishlist that we could integrate with our content delivery system.
GlitteryGoddess
02-09-2011, 09:28 AM
Would it be possible for a girl to have different 'funds' - for example, a girl has a 'wishlist' of items with a value against it - i.e. a pair of shoes, a laptop, rent or whatever, and guys can purchase items of content or *just donate if they wish* towards that item? A bit like chipin I guess.
So...
Netbook - $300 - purchase item and count towards this - donate to this item - 0% of the way to completion!
Shoes - $50 - purchase item and count towards this - donate to this item - 70% of the way to completion!
Does that make sense?
Lacy Luck
02-10-2011, 01:50 PM
I'm on the site uploading content right now. Can't help but notice how each page loads soooo very slowly. Is there work being done on the site now to cause the lag? I hope it gets fixed so that customers looking for a quick jerk wont get frustrated and move along to a more streamlined site.
Virtualloveaffair
02-10-2011, 02:27 PM
I'm on the site uploading content right now. Can't help but notice how each page loads soooo very slowly. Is there work being done on the site now to cause the lag? I hope it gets fixed so that customers looking for a quick jerk wont get frustrated and move along to a more streamlined site.
Not sure if you were signed up in time to receive our last update email. We're implementing a major upgrade in the next 24-48 hours to solve this issue and improve usability in a couple of other areas too. Sorry for the slowness now, but it'll all be fixed by the time our members get through the door.
Lacy Luck
02-10-2011, 02:30 PM
Hadn't checked my work email today. Thanks for the reply! I'm excited for the site launch!!!
How do you suggest we watermark our content?
laurielegs
02-11-2011, 10:17 PM
How do you suggest we watermark our content?
I put my virtualloveaffair screen name (which is unique to the site and one I don't use elsewhere) and the name of the site in transparent letters.
It's so hard to upload content one pic at a time! I am hoping there is a bulk uploader in place in the future.
Virtualloveaffair
02-12-2011, 12:49 AM
I put my virtualloveaffair screen name (which is unique to the site and one I don't use elsewhere) and the name of the site in transparent letters.
It's so hard to upload content one pic at a time! I am hoping there is a bulk uploader in place in the future.
watermarks are down to the individual, but we're adding some invisible trace tags to all image content.
I am sorry about the pain of single image uploading at the moment. Unfortunately other development, promotion and integration work has had to take priority. The current uploader does some pretty complicated database relationship definition stuff for each image, so producing a bulk version isn't just a question of making a bigger form. As soon as the dust settles after launch getting one done will be a top priority.
Caree
02-12-2011, 11:35 AM
I know I'm not allowed to promote any other sites I'm on on VLA, but am I allowed to direct people to my VLA profile from other places like my Twitter?!
Virtualloveaffair
02-12-2011, 11:56 AM
I know I'm not allowed to promote any other sites I'm on on VLA, but am I allowed to direct people to my VLA profile from other places like my Twitter?!
Absolutely. I've covered earlier in this thread why we don't allow off site advertising when you're on the site so I won't go over that again, but you're certainly free to direct any followers or friends that you have elsewhere to your profile - would be good for the site and building your own fanbase and earnings on it.
CamWhore
02-12-2011, 05:10 PM
is it open yet
Virtualloveaffair
02-13-2011, 02:55 AM
is it open yet
no - will be Sunday or more likely Monday.
pushit69
02-13-2011, 09:00 AM
can we cash out anytime like mgf or is it pay weekly/biweekly etc? ty :)
amberluv
02-13-2011, 10:55 AM
i cant my validation link anywhere :(
Virtualloveaffair
02-13-2011, 11:06 AM
can we cash out anytime like mgf or is it pay weekly/biweekly etc? ty :)
There's a $250 minimum payout goal - extensively discussed earlier in this thread if you want to find the thinking behind it and the advice we got from here on setting it.
Virtualloveaffair
02-13-2011, 11:08 AM
i cant my validation link anywhere :(
Hi there - have a look at http://www.virtualloveaffair.com/1resend.asp and contact us if you need any more help.
LilMissNaughty
02-13-2011, 01:48 PM
Silly question but what site is MGF?
Alysa
02-13-2011, 01:53 PM
Silly question but what site is MGF?
mygirlfund
Juliette25
02-15-2011, 11:56 AM
Hey Mr. VLA I've pm'd you with something rather important just now. Check it!
crispy
02-15-2011, 12:00 PM
i heard the security is really comprimised on the site from a model that just found out. apparently anyone can view her pics and videos she posted. be prepared to abandon ship if need be.
theres something shifty going on. read the TOS too. just saying.
Juliette25
02-15-2011, 12:21 PM
i heard the security is really comprimised on the site from a model that just found out. apparently anyone can view her pics and videos she posted. be prepared to abandon ship if need be.
theres something shifty going on. read the TOS too. just saying.
Yea I call major bullshit on that.
Not calling bullshit on YOU personally crispy.
crispy
02-15-2011, 12:26 PM
Yea I call major bullshit on that.
Not calling bullshit on YOU personally crispy.
no problem. i still felt the need to say something. i doubt she would lie. hopefully its just a missuderstanding.
Juliette25
02-15-2011, 12:33 PM
Sure perhaps she wouldn't lie but you can't put it past shady site owners to influence what she believes. If you read her blog post she's going solely on what MGF has told her, not by something she has found out on her own.