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Athenathefabulous
12-17-2010, 01:29 PM
^^LOL! i like how he states that he is not a douchebag, then posts the i support single moms picture. dear lord...

kinda tempted to fuck with this one but i think ill refrain...

jack0177057
12-17-2010, 02:48 PM
^ What's wrong with supporting single moms? :D

kaiarose
12-17-2010, 02:51 PM
I think I have seen more success rates with people that are already in the biz getting with a dancer. They have an equal understanding of the job and it just seems to work out. Since I've been in the biz I have seen 3 marriages (including mine), a baby, and a long term relationship within my club and a span of 8 years.. Pretty good odds right there!

xGigi
12-17-2010, 02:55 PM
^true. a lot of the girl's boyfriends/husbands are current or former managers, djs, bar backs, or bouncers. I've never dated anyone that works in the club though. I don't mix business with pleasure. also why I don't date regulars. if a customer is hot, has things in common with me, and spends a decent amount of money on me I might give him a chance, but once you start coming in to see me on the regular and THEN want a date, I start seeing you as money, not romance.

lemiwinks31
12-17-2010, 03:50 PM
I think I have seen more success rates with people that are already in the biz getting with a dancer. They have an equal understanding of the job and it just seems to work out. Since I've been in the biz I have seen 3 marriages (including mine), a baby, and a long term relationship within my club and a span of 8 years.. Pretty good odds right there!


Well.....the success probably has more to do with getting to know each other and finding someone you are compatible with.....rather than a ramdon pathetic, creepy guy off the street who just wants to date 'a stripper'. Not a particular stripper....just any stripper.

tempest666
12-17-2010, 10:46 PM
Or just go on an online dating site..... not POF but another one. Most dancers have such busy schedules we don't have time to meet men.

Johnny_Rexx
12-19-2010, 03:57 AM
I think most girls would be extremely wary of dating a customer. The amount of a-holes they come across, asking them for a date or to go back to their hotels.

If you did want to date a stripper it would take a lot of time and trust.

I mean if you wanted to get her in the sack and she did could you trust her. Thinking how easy she said YES. Or she you, thinking all you are after is get her into bed?

Also the trust is a factor if she continues dancing. Can you handle her still dancing or do you want her to stop cause you can't handle it.

It's a difficult concept in real life. Thats why it's easier for most girls to meet someone outside the club.

Sorry just my thoughts!!

Hopper
12-19-2010, 05:10 AM
There is already a thread on this, which is still going.

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=131107

Hopper
12-19-2010, 05:17 AM
You're going to have to spend money inside the club on the dancer you're interested in when you first meet. Anytime I have ever read on SW about a dancer going out with a customer OTC it is because he bought lots of dances from her and she had a good time with him.

Guys who think they can go into the strip club and pick up a dancer without spending any money on her are delusional and will not succeed in getting a date. It's like if you went to lunch alone and took a liking to your waitress, then asked her out after not leaving a tip for a her. (Point I'm trying to make is to be respectful of her work place....I'd personally never go out with a guy I met at work who didn't spend $$ on me, no matter how good-looking or nice he was, based on that principle)

Be friendly, polite, smell good, and perhaps you and a dancer will take a liking to each other

"I would usually never date a customer that I met as a customer - the once or twice I have really been attracted to a guy, I will NOT sell him a dance, because I don't want him to see me as a stripper. I will give him my number and get back to work.

Obviously, if you want to so any pursuing, then the only other option for me would be to come in, only see her, and spend money on her for TIME, but not actually ask her to dance. This means that she could get to know you without having to worry about you seeing her only as a dancer. But I still wouldn't count on her wanting to go out with you.... "

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=131107&page=8

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Hopper
12-19-2010, 05:54 AM
...

Also, visit some nightclubs in big cities like NYC, Miami, LA, etc. - you'll find girls that dress, look and dance so raunchy, that it would make a stripper blush.

...

LOL right - girls IRL often do dress like strippers now. Probably easier to pick up too, because for them it's not an act or a job. They really do want sex.

Hopper
12-19-2010, 06:07 AM
Cept you know, way hotter? It's not really that complicated.

Have you seen other girls?

Hopper
12-19-2010, 06:18 AM
That is true, but on average i am sure a girl working at strip club is way hotter more in shape and much sexier than a girl from the general population.

The average SC customer may have lower standards of "hot". Strippers are only as hot as they have to be, i.e. according to what the market demands.

jack0177057
12-20-2010, 09:03 AM
^ It depends on the club. In many clubs I've been to, the dancers are as pretty as the average women outside the club. However, some "upscale" franchise clubs give high priority to their branding and offer exception quality of attractive dancers. Houston clubs like The Mens Club, The Penthouse Club and Treasures have many hot women. I'm not going to say that 100% of them fit into my definition of supreme hotness, but many do.

The most impressed I've ever been was in Dallas' "The Lodge" - that place had dancers of extraordinary beauty.

Of course, there are downsides to very beautiful/hot women - many of them want more money for less contact.

Djoser
12-20-2010, 07:34 PM
Of course, there are downsides to very beautiful/hot women - many of them want more money for less contact.

I wouldn't want the contact, I'd rather look at them up on a stage, than have them rubbing on me and pretending to like it.

But I am different--if I opened a club there would be no lapdancing and sure as shit no grinding, whatsoever.

To me the whole lapdancing thing always seemed extremely contrived, though I of course try to sell as many of those 'contrived' dances as possible in my club. ;D

Hopper
12-21-2010, 12:39 AM
^ It depends on the club. In many clubs I've been to, the dancers are as pretty as the average women outside the club.

I don't mind if the average in the club is the same as out, because there is still likely to be one or more of them who are at the high end of the scale. Which is enough spending for me in one night. I don't want an LD with every dancer in the club. But it does make stage shows less interesting.


However, some "upscale" franchise clubs give high priority to their branding and offer exception quality of attractive dancers. Houston clubs like The Mens Club, The Penthouse Club and Treasures have many hot women. I'm not going to say that 100% of them fit into my definition of supreme hotness, but many do.

What do they base their standard of attractiveness on? Vetting dancers may not be a good idea, since it will leave out customers whose tastes don't fall inside the chosen standard.


The most impressed I've ever been was in Dallas' "The Lodge" - that place had dancers of extraordinary beauty.

Of course, there are downsides to very beautiful/hot women - many of them want more money for less contact.

Maybe in an upscale club, but in clubs I go to hotter dancers generally give the same and charge the same as less hot dancers.

Kylea2
12-21-2010, 01:05 AM
I wouldn't want the contact, I'd rather look at them up on a stage, than have them rubbing on me and pretending to like it.

Keep in mind not every dancer pretends to like the lap dances. I actually really enjoy them giving them to the point that its sort of a fetish... just not with 100% of the customers.




But I am different--if I opened a club there would be no lapdancing and sure as shit no grinding, whatsoever.

Burlesque clubs are the hot thing these days... maybe when the recession is over you should consider it more in-depth.

Or, alternatively, you could go the peep-show route. :P

tempest666
12-21-2010, 01:10 AM
Keep in mind not every dancer pretends to like the lap dances. I actually really enjoy them giving them to the point that its sort of a fetish... just not with 100% of the customers.
:P


This^^^^^^^^ I enjoy giving lapdances too.. just not when I'm having to dodge a finger in my asshole and lecturing "No meter tu dedo en mi culo"

If it's a hot white guy it's like a cherry on top of a giant ice cream cone.

Hopper
12-21-2010, 01:20 AM
I wouldn't want the contact, I'd rather look at them up on a stage, than have them rubbing on me and pretending to like it.

Well I don't pretend I like it LOL.


But I am different--if I opened a club there would be no lapdancing and sure as shit no grinding, whatsoever.

To me the whole lapdancing thing always seemed extremely contrived, though I of course try to sell as many of those 'contrived' dances as possible in my club. ;D

They certainly are.

Hopper
12-21-2010, 01:31 AM
...

Burlesque clubs are the hot thing these days... maybe when the recession is over you should consider it more in-depth.

...

I don't get the popularity of burlesque. The dancers often aren't sexy looking or sexy dancers. The costumes are the kind which once turned my great grandfather on. I think burlesque has the potential to be sexy, but I have never seen a sexy modern burlesque performance.

Today it appears to be a "female empowerment" trip more than something intended to turn men on. I have heard at least one burlesque dancer say that is the reason she does it. But I don't get exactly how it is supposed to "empower" women.

minnow
12-21-2010, 02:26 AM
Most people have a better chance of picking up a head cold than a dancer at a SC.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I guess you catch a lot of colds, lopaw. ;)

Kylea2
12-21-2010, 02:50 AM
I don't get the popularity of burlesque. The dancers often aren't sexy looking or sexy dancers. The costumes are the kind which once turned my great grandfather on. I think burlesque has the potential to be sexy, but I have never seen a sexy modern burlesque performance.

Today it appears to be a "female empowerment" trip more than something intended to turn men on. I have heard at least one burlesque dancer say that is the reason she does it. But I don't get exactly how it is supposed to "empower" women.

First, not all burlesque is meant to be sexy. Keep in mind that it was part of vaudeville & the entertainment was meant for a wide range of people, including the low income. That means that the talent, costuming, etc wasn't always top notch, & the entertainers were expected to provide a wider idea of entertainment beyond just "sexy". Also, the costumes have to be appropriate for the act. Entertainers performing striptease originally would be on stage for 20 - 30 minutes at a time, & in order to be teasing while still "taking it off" for that long they needed more of their skin not only covered in clothes - but layered in clothes.

Part of it for some women has to do with empowerment, but keep in mind that men perform burlesque striptease as well - & that is not a new occurrence. However, because so many women interpret it as being empowering, it attracts a wide range of entertainers & a larger supportive female audience. The supportive female audiences tend to see beyond just the physical aspects of the entertainer, & appreciate the costuming, dance, & theatrics of burlesque. As for why it empowers women, well the idea of feminism has changed over the years. In many ways women find it empowering because now they have the right to do it & be supported in their decision, which was given to them by earlier feminists. In a way, its empowering in the same way that driving a car, drinking, or voting can feel "empowering" when one comes of age & can do so legally. However, at the same time their is resistance to burlesque by many of the new age feminists who have this image that we should not only have the rights of men, but should dress & act like them as well. Burlesque gives women who like being women a chance to look these new age feminists in their faces & say "We LOVE that we are women & that we can now do this"... which is also very empowering.

As for current burlesque dancers who are sexy, while they may seem hard to find, they are out there. If I knew your tastes I could probably send you some links.

Djoser
12-21-2010, 04:54 AM
Keep in mind not every dancer pretends to like the lap dances. I actually really enjoy them giving them to the point that its sort of a fetish... just not with 100% of the customers.


Yeah I know this is true in the case of some dancers, I meant as a general rule it seems fake and contrived. Once you've had it at home, in the clubs it's just not the same--with rare exceptions. And for a while I had to watch the cameras in the Champagne Rooms to know who to skip for stage. They were almost invariably so fake looking--even after ten years in the business and having seen many a lap dance in various ways in various clubs, I was really struck by this.

I don't envy the dancers having to constantly keep the guys from groping them (this is not what I would call easy money!), or the customers getting them either.

However, there are exceptions to the rule (as with all things lol). While I don't get them myself, I do frequently buy dances for the dancers who I know for a fact like getting them from others, that I know for a fact like giving them. Sometimes I send them into the private dance room, sometimes I have them do it on the velvet couch I always sit at in my favorite club (not the one I work in!). I did that not long ago and then suddenly one of them gave me one as a present or whatever. I had heard she thought I was good-looking and it certainly seemed genuine. I did like that, yes. :)

Djoser
12-21-2010, 04:59 AM
Well I don't pretend I like it LOL.

:D

That's good!

Kylea2
12-21-2010, 05:30 AM
Djoser, sound like you've got it covered... & she gave you a very indubitable compliment with a nice "gift" - double score. :)

Rookie2010
12-21-2010, 05:35 AM
I meant as a general rule it seems fake and contrived
That's what alcohol is for ;)

OmarJones
12-21-2010, 08:38 AM
why date a stripper in the first place no offense to any of you girls, but in my region half the girls strippers are just hooking in and out the club

jack0177057
12-21-2010, 08:54 AM
As for current burlesque dancers who are sexy, while they may seem hard to find, they are out there. If I knew your tastes I could probably send you some links.

Calla doll -

http://www.houstonpress.com/slideshow/houston-burlesque-calla-doll-100186/ (check out third and sixth pic)

http://www.modelmayhem.com/portfolio/621424/viewall

Hopper
12-23-2010, 01:33 AM
...

As for current burlesque dancers who are sexy, while they may seem hard to find, they are out there. If I knew your tastes I could probably send you some links.

It would be hard to tell you my tastes. I'd be interested to see the ones you think are good.

If burlesque was originally a popular form of entertainment for a broad audience, and predated popular feminism by about a century, then obviously feminists didn't give women the "right" to do it. At first all feminists were against women being different to men and against pornography or any sexual entertainment for men. It was only a couple of decades later that "sex-positive" feminists began to accept it, and even then it was on certain terms. So really feminists took it away from women and then gave it back.

Hopper
12-23-2010, 02:26 AM
Yeah I know this is true in the case of some dancers, I meant as a general rule it seems fake and contrived. Once you've had it at home, in the clubs it's just not the same--with rare exceptions. And for a while I had to watch the cameras in the Champagne Rooms to know who to skip for stage. They were almost invariably so fake looking--even after ten years in the business and having seen many a lap dance in various ways in various clubs, I was really struck by this.

I often notice how fake LDs look too when I see other customers getting them. But when I am getting one I don't notice it, because I am not focussing on that aspect of it. (And possibly they are just less at ease with some other customers than with me.) In any case, I like the impersonal aspect of LDs, so if it seems contrived it doesn't bother me. I definitley don't need the dancer to convincingly act like she likes me. That's a separate thing to natural-looking erotic movements.

Almost Jaded
12-23-2010, 04:20 AM
*cracks knuckles and stretches*

I have been away for far too long. But in honor of Hopper's return and just because there's yet another "how do you pick up a stripper" thread active, I think I'll post again, lol. How I have missed these boards...

1st - everything said in the first page, good and bad. 2nd - everything else.

Look - there are different kinds of girls in strip clubs, just like there are different kinds of girls everywhere you go. Different "techniques" will work on different girls, and some girls won't respond to any of them. Just like anywhere else with any other woman/women.

In short, THERE IS NO "HOW TO" GUIDE ON PICKING UP STRIPPERS THAT ACTUALLY WORKS. Or rather, that would surely work for the girl you want.

I've read the "strippers like me" thread, I remember it well. The "I miss my stripper GF" thread was new to me - wish I'd been active for that one before it was closed, lol. The fact is - and I'm being repetitive here - you "pick up" (I prefer "meet") a stripper/dancer/whatever just like any other woman. This isn't hard to grasp.

Now for a few generalities to make myself mildly hypocritical. :p

The dancers that go home with customers from the club on a regular or semi-regular basis fall into two categories (with an occasional exception).

1 - The nasty whores who most men with a brain wouldn't fuck with their worst enemy's dick, and the girls who are just looking for hookups regardless. Generally speaking (there are exceptions), these aren't the best looking or top earning girls in the club. Okay, that was overly nice - generally speaking (there are exceptions), these are the bottom feeders and the uglier ones with little or no future in the business, and most of them are heavy into extras to make what they do - so banging a guy for the helluvit isn't much of a reach. The "dancers just like me thread" was indicative of this type - I believe almost everything he said, because I have been around clubs enough and am an attractive enough guy that I could fuck a different one of these pathetic women every night if my standards - ahem, self esteem - were low low enough. Frankly, anyone could with the right approach (one that most self respecting men would blanch at the very thought of).

2 - The usually drugged up (though sometimes just nympho) and not quite as nasty (in fact sometimes very nice in more than one definition) girls who don't mind the thought of hooking up with a customer they find very attractive. This "type" is far less common, and they are going to be VERY selective before deciding that a guy in the club is worth it. Many of the ladies on these boards might, if I cast this net wide enough, fall into this category; but let's narrow it down a bit and say for the most part, once again, you're going to be dealing with a woman who isn't really into you for very long - if more than one night, and most of whom have issues, usually serious ones.

The mythical 3rd category isn't so mythical - they exist, and more than you think. The "many of the ladies on these boards" comment is better suited to this new category than the above. It's the "Don't usually but there's something about you" category. You don't go looking for these gals, they find you. And the harder you try, the less likely you are to ever find one. The best advice has been given before, all over these boards and in this thread. Spend a lot of time and money in a particular club. And if you're lucky, one will decide you're worth a shot. If you're lucky. And if you're that lucky, you'd better be the best damned boyfriend in the history of the planet, or she'll decide pretty quick that you weren't worth it. Sometime's she'll bail anyway - just like with "regular" women.

It's late. I'm on painkillers. I have rambled even more than usual and I could go on. I hope this "helped", insofar as any of these threads can be, lmao.

Hopper
12-23-2010, 06:11 AM
^ Thanks for singling me out for an honor but - my "return" from what?

Good to see you back. A fourth category could be the customer who was dragged along to the club being picked up by the dancer.

Almost Jaded
12-23-2010, 01:09 PM
Yeah, re-reading that now, the fact that it was written in a hotel room a couple of hours after a ridiculously long drive while on LorTab looks obvious to me, lol.

You disappeared for a while, and in my lurkings I've not seen you post for a good bit.

The point was lost in the rambling. Happens. There could be many categories, because there are many different girls. *point coming, watch out* JUST LIKE ANYWHERE ELSE. You will, in general, find that the girls in a SC who will leave with you are the same girls who would have done so in a bar, dance club, grocery store, or gas station - minus a few percentage points because THEY'RE AT WORK and THEY'RE SICK OF YOU TRYING. [/end point]

Djoser
12-23-2010, 07:33 PM
...the harder you try, the less likely you are to ever find one.

Unless you are pursuing categories 1 or 2 AJ listed earlier in his post, this could be the best advice ever on the subject. Though there are a lot of 1 & 2 types in almost all the clubs I have worked in lol.

Usagi
12-23-2010, 10:35 PM
I think not trying to pick up women is true, regardless of the lady's profession. The woman can be a stripper, auto mechanic, web designer, janitor, etc. Regardless of how she earns her money, I've found that I meet more women by not trying to pick them up. I used to do online dating. I tried and tried to find a woman, but I failed. I went out on one date with each one and they never contacted me again. I usually got a lot of e-mails for porn sites. I finally got tired of it.

I met two women by not even trying. I met one woman on Facebook. She was a friend of a friend and made a comment to a wall post that I liked. I sent her a message saying her wall post was cool and eventually, we went out on a few dates. I don't use Facebook to look for women, mind you. I wasn't even looking!

So in dating, I think it's better to not try than try. Love will find you in the strangest of places.

Almost Jaded
12-24-2010, 12:06 AM
Sometimes even in strip clubs, lmao.

Djoser
12-24-2010, 06:54 AM
I think not trying to pick up women is true, regardless of the lady's profession...

Very true!

But especially true in stripclubs, due to the tremendous numbers of guys trying desperately to pick them up. You might say 'Hey, no more than in meat markets and singles bars.'

But not only is there a different mood* to the attempts in the stripclubs--which is less flattering to the wannabe PUAs--but also the women in meat markets are far more inclined to actually be interested in being picked up than the dancers are in the stripclubs.

The dancers are generally not interested at all in being picked up, and it is generally one of the more irritating aspects of the job. Thus not trying is even more important in a stripclub!


*mood is the wrong word probably. I am still awake after a rough night and not clear headed. The way the guys go about trying it tends to be a little different than the way they go about it in meat markets and other settings--though this isn't an ironclad rule but rather a strong tendency. For instance guys will tend to lie more about how much money they have, how many luxury automobiles and homes they have, what a stud they are, etc., etc. Even more than they do in other settings they are trying to pick up in. There's more to it than that though, maybe it's a sense of a more challenging hunt affecting their hunting methods--usually for the worse.

Elvia
12-24-2010, 09:11 PM
It would be hard to tell you my tastes. I'd be interested to see the ones you think are good.

If burlesque was originally a popular form of entertainment for a broad audience, and predated popular feminism by about a century, then obviously feminists didn't give women the "right" to do it. At first all feminists were against women being different to men and against pornography or any sexual entertainment for men. It was only a couple of decades later that "sex-positive" feminists began to accept it, and even then it was on certain terms. So really feminists took it away from women and then gave it back.

Yes, women could become dancers, but back then the social stigma placed on a woman who was so openly sexually was an even greater burden that it is today. Burlesque is about reclaiming the right to be open about sexuality, to portray ourselves as sexual creatures, and not just in ways that are meant to appeal to men.

jack0177057
12-27-2010, 04:33 PM
I think not trying to pick up women is true, regardless of the lady's profession.

This sounds like the "fate" argument - Don't worry about meeting someone special, because "fate" will make it happen.

I agree that trying too hard and acting desperate is never a sure-fire way to get someone to like you, but the problem with not trying at all, is that you will end up with women who are not your real first choice. (Unless, your life is like the movies, where you fall in love with your neighbor and best friend, whom you've known forever.)

You've got to have have a "fuck it" attitude, like this - I'm gonna ask her out, but, if it she's not interested - fuck it, no big deal,... I trust fate will provide more opportunities. You have to be a good sport about it. The girl that rejected you might come around later on or introduce you to her hot friends. (If you're cool and don't harass her or act creepy.)

I've never tried to pickup a dancer, but if I did, it be like any other girl:
(1) get to know the person - what drives her, her likes and dislikes, her passions, her fears, her aspirations, the "little things" she likes to do, like reading, cooking or listening to a particular musical artist (this involves a lot of attentive listening to her - which people, esp. guys - are very bad at),
(2) if I can see us being compatible and together for a long time, then I will spend a lot of time learning more about her,
(3) obviously, recognize that she is a professional and pay her for her time (but, spend within reason and to have fun, not for an "agenda"),
(4) always have a positive attitude and be fun (without excessive ass-kissing),
(5) at some point, you discover something important that creates a potential bond with that person - i.e., a passion for music, art, politics, philosophy, dogs, cats, etc.,
(6) you boldly and confidently ask her out to something related to that common interest - (e.g., an art show, biking trail, mountain climbing, morning run in the park, etc.),
(7) if she says "no", you act super-cool about it, like - "Yeah, I understand. - I don't regret asking you out, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to date a custie. No hard feelings.",
(8.) be a good friend/custie to her, and hopefully, she'll let her guard down and develop feeling for you, and
(9) if none is detected, move along to a new romantic prospect.

The key with any girl, is you have to be able to answer this question from her - "Why are you interested in me?" This question gets asked often in very subtle ways and how you respond to it is critical. If the only answer you can come up with - "Because you're a really hot stripper." - Then, you're very likely to fail.

Rookie2010
12-27-2010, 04:54 PM
I'm gonna ask her out, but, if it she's not interested - fuck it, no big deal,...
Exactly. Not trying to meet people is basically giving up on yourself.
Fuck it, go have fun. 8)

Rich Cracker ®
01-23-2011, 02:19 AM
How do you properly pick up a Dancer in a venue like this? How should one go about it? Sometimes it seems impossible, but these Dancers are like any other woman just more facinating with their views and ambitions which I'm drawn to. Yes they are beautiful but beauty is common. So, is it possible in that environment? I don't normally date Dancers but I found that they can be fun and lovely individuals so I'm reconsidering my position. Lately, I've meet some very intelligent Dancers that I would be interested in. What should I do? Please advise. ;)

Bend at the knees rather than your waist and be sure to lift with your legs.

Almost Jaded
01-23-2011, 02:42 AM
^ LOL'd IRL