View Full Version : Men, the chances of you dating a dancer are slim.
Hopper
01-07-2011, 06:25 AM
That story was an example of excellent saleswomanship, not of a ripoff. I don't share those stories - some of them are bad enough to make one consider whether or not it'd be an arrestable offense, lol. Let's just say that guys dumb enough to get passing out drunk or to ask her for drugs (funny things happen when you think you're snorting coke and it's a couple of ground up sleeping pills) are likely to find quite a surprise on their next CC statement.
Druggin him and taking his money on his card is straight theft. But it's hard to feel sorry for him. It's like leaving your car in a bad neighborhood with the keys in the door. It's theft, but in a way it's also giving the car away. I could understand some local youths getting the wrong idea.
However, talking a guy into a 1,000 or more dollar tip on top of the room, paid upfront, for a 1/2 hour VIP in which he's lucky if she even dances (extras in her book is making contact, lol) or does more than remove her top is par for the course with her. I mean almost nightly, sometimes several times a night. Is that "ripping a guy off"? It's not actually theft, but very few customers leave feeling they got their money's worth, lol.
Depends what they told him the tip is for, and what he gets for the price of the LD. I cannot understand even a drunk wealthy guy paying that for a girl to dance in her clothes in a strip club or anywhere else. If they only feel they didn't get their money's worth afterward, it must mean they were promised more for their money beforehand. Taking a person's money without giving what was agreed in return for it is theft - it's the same as running out of a store with a DVD without paying.
What I really don't get is that she has regulars. She treats them like shit and they never get anything from her - the one that got ANY OTC contact took her out to dinner occasionally but she wouldn't even hold his hand - spent literally tens of thousands and into the hundreds of thousands of dollars on her.
:shrug:
Then maybe that is what they pay for - to be cheated and treated like shit. Obviously they are not normal men. Or she is very beautiful and they are hoping it's all some courting game and she will marry them. They are still idiots if they do think that and think it's worth the money.
I do know that it will never happen to me lol.
yoda57us
01-07-2011, 06:48 AM
It sounded like you were criticizing. I'll have to remember that. It is still easier for me to clarify what I said than to correct what you say about it.
Well, in a way I was criticizing but, again, that is part of what takes place in a debate. The last thing I'm looking to do is get involved in a semantics debate but criticizing, as a byproduct of critical thinking, is not a bad thing. I didn't agree with what you said. I'm not in your head I'm only reading the words that you typed. Your followup post clarified your original post. If I hadn't commented, or criticized, you never would have put up the second post.
I don't view disagreement as a bad thing either. It's just that in order to disagree with somebody, first you have to know what he actually said. Correction of somebody else's misreading/misunderstanding is a valid and necessary when arguing anywhere. It is impossible to debate at all if people don't even comprehend what others say. Debate is more than just a series of back-and-forth "reactions" - there needs to be proper communication. If not, then it is not interesting, it is tedious.
Again, all you can do is put the words out there. You can't really determine how another reader is going to react to those words. If that other person is illiterate or just plain dumb then I guess it's possible that a true misreading could occur. A "misunderstanding" between two or more relatively intelligent folks can occur because there is ambiguity in the original post. Subsequent posts my clear up some of that ambiguity but it doesn't always mean that minds will be changed. Often times it is not misunderstanding at all (even though the OP may insist that it is) but a differing of opinion. Back and forth is the mechanical element of a debate. I agree that it can be interesting or tedious. If it's interesting I participate, if it becomes tedious I stop. The two best things about internet chat boards are the freedom to express in an unfiltered and honest manor due to the anonymity and the ability to stop posting and reading a thread anytime you like.
Calling somebody out who criticises another person unfairly. That is an odd coincidence, enough to make me question whether Jack really did say what you claim he did; but I did question it and I still disagreed.
You view it as "calling somebody out". I view it as furthering the discussion. Most of us only come to a discussion board for one reason. Unless you are a lurker, you come to discuss. If you are questioning the thoughts of any one participating in the debate then the debate is serving it's purpose...at least the way I look at it.
Two people agreeing does not make somebody else wrong,
I didn't say that it did.
Thanking him for it, blaming him for it - both imply that he caused it.
True but one implies that "blame" is a bad thing. The other does not.
bem401
01-07-2011, 12:10 PM
However, talking a guy into a 1,000 or more dollar tip on top of the room, paid upfront, for a 1/2 hour VIP in which he's lucky if she even dances (extras in her book is making contact, lol) or does more than remove her top is par for the course with her. I mean almost nightly, sometimes several times a night. Is that "ripping a guy off"? It's not actually theft, but very few customers leave feeling they got their money's worth, lol.
What I really don't get is that she has regulars. She treats them like shit and they never get anything from her - the one that got ANY OTC contact took her out to dinner occasionally but she wouldn't even hold his hand - spent literally tens of thousands and into the hundreds of thousands of dollars on her.
:shrug:
"A fool and his money are lucky to get together in the first place" - Gordon Gecco.
Phil-W
01-08-2011, 07:05 PM
Dancing in some ways is an 'unnatural' activity in that a dancer ITC will adopt a different personality than she will OTC. As she goes into work she switches from 'real life' into 'dancer' personality. In real life she wouldn't show her goodies to everyone with $20 - so she develops a particular mindset to everyone that will pay that $20. It might be subconscious, but basically once you've paid that $20, you're in a particular mental pigeon-hole.
Trying to get a dancer to move you from the 'customer' to the 'datable ' pigeon-hole is a near impossible task - once you've paid to see her naked, dating is effectively out of the window. It's a catch 22 - you can't see her unless you go into the club - and if you do, you'll never see her out of it.
Phil
noelle
01-09-2011, 12:54 PM
Let's just say that guys dumb enough to get passing out drunk or to ask her for drugs (funny things happen when you think you're snorting coke and it's a couple of ground up sleeping pills) are likely to find quite a surprise on their next CC statement.
Are you saying she crushes up sleeping pills and sells that to guys as "coke" if they ask? I really hope not. I agree that it is stupid to buy drugs from someone you don't know, but this could seriously injure or kill someone. It would also be pretty easy to trace this back to her.
In addition, undercover cops/vice are well known for asking dancers to sell them drugs and arresting them if they do.
Almost Jaded
01-09-2011, 10:15 PM
Hey - I never said I condone her actions, just that she has made between $300 and $500 THOUSAND a year several years in a row, lol. Even survived an IRS audit - oh, she paid back taxes and fines, but made it through. And paid what they asked (they only figured out about half of what she'd actually made) in cash with money in her safe, lol.
The point is, there are myriad ways for a girl focused on her money to operate in a SC. I told a story about one of the highest earning girls I know and how she did/does it, with what is certainly one of the less than scrupulous approaches, because it related to the topic of girls getting guys to buy them things.
PS - she picked up another regular this month. He's already given her over $5,000 OTC for basically nothing but her asking for it. And this guy isn't stupid, he has tis to the industry and fucking well knows better. Go figure, LMAO.
Edit - I just realized I was addressing this as if it were in the "get guys to buy you stuff" thread. How'd we get here in thosone again? :confused:
VegasM
01-10-2011, 01:11 AM
After the third page or so I had to keep bouncing back to the top to remind myself what the actual topic was...so, to the original title/statement:
"Re: Men, the chances of you dating a dancer are slim" is about as disappointing as being told I can't get a hands-free Prostate exam from Liberace. Just not my cup of tea, although I do on occasion patronize a local topless club in town, I am a customer, they are the provider, and that's that.
I wonder if out there in cyberspace - or, perhaps, if the String Physics geeks are right, in another dimension - a similar topic exists "Men, the chances of you dating a checkout clerk Outside The Grocery Store (OTGS) are slim" or "Men, the chances of you dating a nurse outside the hospital are slim (OTH)".
Dancing is their job, albeit a bit different than so-called 'mainstream' jobs, but it's their bread and butter, and nowhere at the entrance to a club, or posted inside, is there a sign saying 'Matchmaking R Us".
I see this in the casino all the time with cocktail waitresses and the half'-nude '21' dealers...men just naturally assume these women are there for the taking, just dying to be 'saved' by some middle aged, balding Prince Charming just in from the Midwest, full of corn fed innocence, ready to 'rescue' his Damsel in Distress from her torrid lifestyle.
Or, worse yet, and addressed to an extent already, the young bucks laboring under the illusion they are God's gift to women in general, and dancers in specific, looking for a long term one night relationship, offered as a favor to the lucky young miss accepting their irresistible charm.
This topic of conversation would never take place about female 7-11 clerks, DMV clerks, customer service representatives, etc. so why the assumption that dancers or even cocktail waitresses are free range for unwanted and unwarranted attention from every swinging Dick that walks through the front door?
Hopper
01-10-2011, 01:35 AM
^ It's not an assumption, it's a wish. Ultimately there is no difference between a stripper and a clerk in this regard - both are there to work and a customer could find both attractive and wish to date them. The difference is that every stripper a customer pays is attractive to him whereas a customer would probably wish to date about one in ten female clerks he meets. And a stripper is taking her clothes off and dancing in front of you and "flirting" like crazy, so their customers are likely to be that much more attracted to them.The other difference is that the chances of dating a stripper are less than that of dating a clerk, for the various reasons being given in this thread. That's what the thread is about; it's not about reasons why a customer would ask.
threlayer
01-20-2011, 01:34 PM
Guys this is how you get a stripper to love you:
Step 1: Be rich
Step 2: Be generous, spend money in and out of the club.
Step 3: Be fucking hot.
See its quite easy really...
That's not love; it's a trick.