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islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 09:41 AM
Well what is a black girl site?

Even if there was a black girl site, Why would you want to be on it? To compete with other black girls? That wouldn't be a smart move. There is no such thing as a black girl site. You just need to find the site that works for you hun.

misselise07
12-31-2010, 09:42 AM
Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Streamate and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story. All of you that are complaining about Streamate CHOOSE to work there. When you sign up it tells you make 35% if you were not happy with that when you read that, then you should have not signed up. It is just like the strippers that work at Deja Vu KNOWING they take a big cut. At least it is money and some money is better than no money. You all choose this profession so either deal with how it is or go work your office job.

CamWhore
12-31-2010, 09:46 AM
we dont have to DEAL, with anything. When people speak UP, things CHANGE.

eroteea
12-31-2010, 09:56 AM
For those who don't know, in its beginning, streamate only gave 25%, years ago. It's true that there were only few girls online, higher traffic and the whole videochat biz was more softcore, no videos recording, but still..

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 09:59 AM
Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Streamate and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story. All of you that are complaining about Streamate CHOOSE to work there. When you sign up it tells you make 35% if you were not happy with that when you read that, then you should have not signed up. It is just like the strippers that work at Deja Vu KNOWING they take a big cut. At least it is money and some money is better than no money. You all choose this profession so either deal with how it is or go work your office job.

Well said!!!! The complaining is so A N N O Y I N G!

rainwater
12-31-2010, 10:06 AM
OK.

Here's my deal...too many people are comparing themselves to the exception and trying to make it the status quo. Of course if you do that, you'll always be disappointed. Personal goals are necessary and when those are met, pat yourself on the back. You just met your own standard. Nothing wrong with reaching for the stars, but don't expect for it to happen overnight and without a lot of hard work. It takes diligence as well as steadfastness. Even the cream of the crop are still learning how to stay relevant in a changing market.

I don't really know what else to say but that your line of thinking is what is holding you back for the most part. I may not see any black women in the top 20 there, but I know of a few that make very good money despite what you perceive to be a handicap. Yes, there are going to be men out there who skip by your room because your look may not be their cup of tea, but that's true for a lot of women. A lot of men can't stand blondes and I know a good handful that have outright blocked all models from the EU and South America. It's not a big deal as there is a customer base for everyone out there. You just have to learn to cultivate it.

As for the members feeding you bullshit garbage...I'm almost 100% certain that they don't contribute to the bottom line, do they? Rarely have a had a member who's tipping me well or buying shows try and tell me that I don't have what it takes to succeed on that site. Quite the contrary, actually. And for as many girls that are ahead of me in rank, I'm also ahead of a lot of others (yes, a lot of them white). But again, I don't look at the top girls and take their success as a measure to my failure. I don't even know what I'd do with that much money!

I do agree that it may bit harder for those of certain ethnic backgrounds to win over people who come into a room expecting you to fulfill a stereotype. That's where you either get comfy with the fact that these people are pigs or revel in the fact that you didn't give them the satisfaction. They'll leave and make room for more open-minded individuals.


I'm glad that you acknowledged that because it is true.


I don't mean this at all as an attack or a lecture. It just rubs me the wrong way when instead of breaking the mold, people would use something as trivial as genetics as an excuse to why they can't do something. At the end of the day, you are what you think. That's how I see it.


I would have to disagree because it isn't a matter of people using "genetics" as an excuse. Race is much more than just "genetics" because it's a state of being; it's who you are to the core and nothing can change that. Genetics on the other hand are based upon traits that have been passed down that contribute to your outer appearance but ones which could be tolerable or better accepted to a certain point; they don't necessarily indicate ethnicity. There's nothing as you call it "trivial" about the fact that no matter what you are still being rejected because of your race without being given the chance to prove stereotypes otherwise. In this line of work or a job that pertains to the sexual industry in which your income is based upon your ability to sexually attract men or to "turn them on" and you're sent subliminal that despite everything you're never good enough b/c of your race alone then it does take a toll on people on some level. There's a difference between being a red-head (genetics) and being an Asian (race).




I dont remember going on the attack against MFC I still Work there and make money so I'm not holding myself back I was making a true statement. 100% wrong I dont base my earnings around the top girls and the guys that told me that are my top tippers. They make my night they wanted to be real with me when I was going to leave mfc. Yes not every guy will be turned on by you but the facts are the facts.

CamWhore
12-31-2010, 10:09 AM
yall nkow 35% of your own shit is not acceptable. Yall just scared youll get banned from the site OR your just settling because you get paid anyway.

Man up an accept the truth.

( dont beat me up...lol)

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 10:10 AM
I would have to disagree because it isn't a matter of people using "genetics" as an excuse. Race is much more than just "genetics" because it's a state of being; it's who you are to the core and nothing can change that. Genetics on the other hand are based upon traits that have been passed down that contribute to your outer appearance but ones which could be tolerable or better accepted to a certain point; they don't necessarily indicate ethnicity. There's nothing as you call it "trivial" about the fact that no matter what you are still being rejected because of your race without being given the chance to prove stereotypes otherwise. In this line of work or a job that pertains to the sexual industry in which your income is based upon your ability to sexually attract men or to "turn them on" and you're sent subliminal that despite everything you're never good enough b/c of your race alone then it does take a toll on people on some level. There's a difference between being a red-head (genetics) and being an Asian (race).






I am so sick of people using "being black" as an excuse to why they are NOT making money. As a black woman I made a lot of money camming and still do whenever I get online. The whole race excuse it just that.. an excuse. Men LOVE variety. Believe it or not. It's pretty simple. This job is based on looks, body type.. etc.. If a man likes you he'll become a regular and spend lots of money on you. There is no use complaining about it.

laurielegs
12-31-2010, 11:06 AM
Man, I just wrote this big ole long, somewhat helpful, reply and *poof* -- into the internet ether because StripperWeb made me log back in...

Anyhoo, here's sort of how it went:

I realize that this probably won't stop Streamate Hatefest 2010, but I did want to chime in with some information that no one else has posted yet. If you can drive your own traffic, then you CAN make a higher percentage on Streamate using your Cam Model link.

Amber, if you know how to drive your own traffic, did you know you can get 100% on ifriends for any new customer for what they spend in your room?

The only catch is they can NEVER have had a membership there in the past and they have to use your link and your link only to sign up, and they can't surf away (but isn't it the same way at streamate - they can't have been a member before)?

I really wish I knew how to get my own traffic. I've tried a lot of times and just seem to find broke losers who want freebies, has been a waste of my time.

chixplease
12-31-2010, 11:11 AM
I always look at being black in the cam world as a good thing. I am a minority. If and when I'm on Streamate I'm always in the top five on the "Ebony" page. Why? There are never more than 80 some odd black girls on. I love it. Not only that, I'm one of the few attractive, American, well spoken black girls. Besides, these men don't care about specifics, most of them just want to bust a nut...pussy is pussy.

Amberlily
12-31-2010, 11:58 AM
you must be on Rude ? LMAO ... that just made me feel sick to my stomache.

Yeah, one of the many places I've cammed/have a profile. That StolenClips.com shit was weak. Glad they gave us the "opt out" button. Yeah, I'll be opting the fuck out of that degrading shithole.

Amberlily
12-31-2010, 12:04 PM
Amber, if you know how to drive your own traffic, did you know you can get 100% on ifriends for any new customer for what they spend in your room?

The only catch is they can NEVER have had a membership there in the past and they have to use your link and your link only to sign up, and they can't surf away (but isn't it the same way at streamate - they can't have been a member before)?

I really wish I knew how to get my own traffic. I've tried a lot of times and just seem to find broke losers who want freebies, has been a waste of my time.

I am *moderately* successful at driving my own traffic. I do get some crossover sales from the different social media outlets I use, my websites (yup, I've got more than one), my blogs (yup, I've got more than one of those too), but I wouldn't say that I'm the best at it -- I'm just always trying. Always.

In my earlier cam days, I did try out iFriends with mixed results... I missed the iFriends heyday and now they're pretty much in the shitter, so I just skip that one from the line up of places I try to promote. (I even promote sites I don't like because they convert well.)

Amberlily
12-31-2010, 12:13 PM
I always look at being black in the cam world as a good thing. I am a minority. If and when I'm on Streamate I'm always in the top five on the "Ebony" page. Why? There are never more than 80 some odd black girls on. I love it. Not only that, I'm one of the few attractive, American, well spoken black girls. Besides, these men don't care about specifics, most of them just want to bust a nut...pussy is pussy.

I would LOVE to promote you via twitter... What's your username at Streamate, chixplease? :)

This goes for anyone else that works Streamate regularly. Follow me at twitter and do an @reply and I'll try to get the word out that you're on & looking for shows. (I'll be using my own Cam Model's link, but you'll be getting guys who are into "girls next door" and not "porn stars" -- here's me at twitter: http://www.twitter.com/amberlily)

Also, and this is work mentioning, if you use twitter & work Streamate start following them and use @Streamate when you're promoting your own Cam Models link and if they are online -- they WILL retweet your Cam Models link to their growing list of followers. It's a nice gesture that I'm not sure they'll always be in a position to do, it's a real person and not a bot RT'ing you right now, so jump on it for as long as it lasts. Using hashtags like #Streamate or #ILoveStreamate are helpful also.

Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:15 PM
I realize that this probably won't stop Streamate Hatefest 2010, but I did want to chime in with some information that no one else has posted yet. If you can drive your own traffic, then you CAN make a higher percentage on Streamate using your Cam Model link. Dunno what I'm talking about, login over there and see the Tips & Tutorials section. Find the section on Promoting & read it. By using your Cam Models link you get your base 35% PLUS 40% for anyone who signs up & spends money on you. Yes, that's right, 35% + 40% = 75%. If you refer someone & you're not logged in and/or they spend money with another model, you get 20% of that.


What I don't get...If you are really any good at all at driving traffic somewhere...why would you not drive it to your own website for skype shows where you keep 100%?

In fact, I don't have a CLUE as to the realities of the girls on this forum and I realize that with THIS post. Every girl I ever promoted ends up with a site and 30-50 regular sugar-daddies. THAT is the outcome of camming. I mean, if you ask yourself, "What is the outcome I'm looking for?" The answer should be "To have awebsite where I keep all the money from trusted Sugars who I actually like camming for and who appreicate me."

Notice...all my first posts were pointed in THAT direction, but then I've slowly come to realize that to varying degrees, most of the girls on here were just bouncing around from cam site to cam site...Posting threads about how they love MFC/Stream/IM/Camz/Indy/AW, and then a week or two later, how they can't make money, or hate the free shows, or hate the other girls showing shit, or whatever, and NOW they love YaddaYaddaBlahBlahCam...

In the end, this is not a complaint I'm posting, even if it seems like one...the bitching and moaning is the natural extension of what I keep on hammering in every post I write. ALL of these sites are run by men who don't give a fucking fig for you or your bottom line or your experience or your income, except as it drags yer broke ass into their Site.

Guess what...If a camsite (Stream for example) that pays CRAPPY, and has 200-250 girls on lots of time, and keeps HUGE money from you...If that site started paying 70%, it's BAD for them...You might say "Duh, of course! They lose 35%!" But that's not true...they lose 35%, plus you now make $400-$500 per day...and when most girls make $500 per day, guess what? They DON'T go "Cool! I now make $2500 per week!"...They ACTUALLY go "Cool, I made $500, now I don't have to work anymore this week!" And that 200-250 online at any given time drops to 40-50 online...

It is a VERY small percentage of the women out there who are driven go-getters...most just want to make their $300-$500 per week and be done with it.

None of this can ever be fixed or addressed in the system the way it exists now. A whole new kind of camsite needs to open up (guess who is working on it?) that actually addresses all this stuff.

Anyway...you guys gave me a new thread to start...Watch for it. :)



I've been camming for a very, very long time -- as both an indie & a network performer. Remember the era dial up? Yup, I've been camming since then. I've seen and used a lot of different webcam platforms, have seen a lot of them rise and fall, and Streamate isn't near as "evil" as some.

(A whole Bunch of stuff OTHER evil sites do, deleted)

I could go on and on AND ON, but I'll stop there.

Alrighty, I gotta go pee. Been on here way too long... I rarely post, so I hope that what I wrote up there helps at least a couple of ya'll out. I tried! ;)

Your post in really interesting, but in the end it is the same thing again, that always happens when People actually want to change the status quo. When they tried to Unionize the Auto Industry and they were getting fire-hosed, the auto workers who were crossing the picket lines said "At least we aren't the GARMENT Industry with their child labor!!!" It's the tendency of humanity to be sheep/cattle. Most people will follow the other lemmings off the cliff. Overall it is MUCH easier to stay in the KNOWN rut, than to go do something completely different.

Why do you think the people who make Millions or Billions (as opposed to those who inherit) are all known for "thinking outside the box"? Because all the other shlumps are slogging away in their rut, saying "This works, it's EASY!" and selling themselves short in a life that is ONE TIME through, and then yer dead. No time for slogging...no time for ruts...No second chance.

Anyway...WAY to philosophical and metaphysical for SW I think...We need to bust out of the box....that's the long and the short of it.

To say, "Stream is definitely Evil Woman Hating Misogynists who hold webcam girls down worldwide and all for their own bottom line with no heart, soul or morality...but at least they aren't as evil as DevilCams..." is not a good reason to work for them or associate with them....

There are camsites out there who are a lil greedy and maybe a lil lame, but NOT evil. So why not work for those? Or yourself?

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:24 PM
That's just cam networks in a nutshell though. This isn't exclusive to Streamate. Most of those same models are on other sites at the same time, splitting their feeds. In my humble opinion, Naked.com is one of the worst EVER.

Sad, but true. These cam networks need performers on ALL of the time to keep up with demand and most of us US ladies don't/can't/won't put in 12 hour days.

Amber...you realize that your saying the same thing again as the other post?

Someone goes "Here, look at this horrible anti-woman, behavior...behavior which holds down third-worlders, hurts US cam girls by giving preferential treatment to the people who will work for dirt, and in general shows a disrespect for humanity in general and women in particular...."

And you go "Well that's just cam sites!"

But it ISN'T AW or MFC...It isn't independent camming...NiteFlirt...even CamContacts (I know, that one has no traffic, but it IS far more fair and far more (not just a little) appropriate towards women). So to point out that there is a big group of evil fuckers out there, should be to point out that Stream belongs with the group we boycott and don;t work for....not "oh well..."

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:30 PM
Even if there was a black girl site, Why would you want to be on it? To compete with other black girls? That wouldn't be a smart move. There is no such thing as a black girl site. You just need to find the site that works for you hun.

Gotta say...I have been to a couple of the strip clubs that cater to black women ONLY, and it sure brings in a LOT of the guys who love a beautiful brown-skinned lady...It provides a gathering place for like minded individuals, and it makes for an experience that is unique....

Just my take...I think a "SexyChocolate Cams" could work well....if done right...

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:51 PM
Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Streamate and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story.


Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Apartheid and how they treat you then go somewhere else and live. Stop complaining and go live elsewhere. End of story.

Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Sweatshops and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story.

Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like the Garment Industry in the 60s (think Norma Rae) and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story.

Screw THAT! If things aren't fair and you don't like them, it is your right and responsibility to stand up and SHOUT! I'm MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! So, take your complaining about our complaining, and go read OTHER threads. What, do you work for Stream? What does it benefit you to silence people who are airing their grievances? A cornerstone of the American Way and our Constitution, but the way...

My hope is that this isn't like MOST things here in the US where it is just whining before going back, tail between the legs, to Stream for another helping of shit stew...



All of you that are complaining about Streamate CHOOSE to work there.


Really dumb...there are three or four sites in the world with enough real traffic to sustain a living. Each has a VERY different style and way of appealing to customers...so if the one where you get business is Stream, yet you feel they are completely unfair in their pay...You say "Just shut up and take it.." What kind of personality do you have that thinks that way? I just don't get it...


"Don't rebel against unfairness!"...What up with THAT?



At least it is money and some money is better than no money. You all choose this profession so either deal with how it is or go work your office job.

The phrase "Some Money is Better Than No Money" resonates throughout this thread with all of those who argue that Stream is FINE. It is the most senseless ridiculous statement on this entire website....because how far does it extend? If everywhere started paying 25cents an hour, would you just say "Oh well...Some Money is Better Than No Money"...If you loaned someone $100 and they gave you back $14 and said "Some Money is Better Than No Money" would you accept it? Well...

TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE!

"All Of My Money is Better Than Some Of My Money!"

Or

"All Of My Pay is Better Than Some Of My Pay!"

in other words...

"All The Money is Better Than Some of the money."

Wow....that works way better for me and makes all our lives better if we ALL demanded it be WAY closer to THAT than your silly phrase...

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:54 PM
Well said!!!! The complaining is so A N N O Y I N G!
This post is meant sarcastically and as kidding, right?

Please say it is? Please?

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:56 PM
we dont have to DEAL, with anything. When people speak UP, things CHANGE.


HERE HERE! Well Said!!! Bravo!

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 01:59 PM
yall nkow 35% of your own shit is not acceptable. Yall just scared youll get banned from the site OR your just settling because you get paid anyway.

Man up an accept the truth.

( dont beat me up...lol)

I actually am stunned and bemused that there is ANYONE defending a site that rips them a new asshole everytime they log on?

Stream is SHIT. Accept it...it's just the easy way out...

I mean...the one thing I will say positive about Stream is that it keeps the girls who like it easy and spoonfed off the truly good sites....

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 02:10 PM
Race is much more than just "genetics" because it's a state of being; it's who you are to the core and nothing can change that. Genetics on the other hand are based upon traits that have been passed down that contribute to your outer appearance but ones which could be tolerable or better accepted to a certain point; they don't necessarily indicate ethnicity.

There's a difference between being a red-head (genetics) and being an Asian (race).


Um...you are COMPLETELY wrong. Seriously...I'd delete this if I was you, because it just looks really ignorant of the meaning of the word Genetics.

Your DNA is above and supersedes and DETERMINES your race. Really. Look it up. Genetics...IS you. All you are is Genetics, including all the experiences you have had BECAUSE of those Genetics. Black Skin is a Genetic Trait. And very little more...Raise a Black person in a black family, and they "act black" as far as cultural behaviors, raise them in a white family, and the same is true for "acting white" culturally. I wish a true African could chime in here and comment on this idea....

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PS.
geˇnetˇics definition

Pronunciation: /jə-ˈnet-iks/
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
1 a : a branch of biology that deals with the heredity and variation of organisms
b : a treatise or textbook on genetics
2 : the genetic makeup and phenomena of an organism, type, group, or condition


also;

Amberlily
12-31-2010, 02:17 PM
What I don't get...If you are really any good at all at driving traffic somewhere...why would you not drive it to your own website for skype shows where you keep 100%?


Because I don't get to keep 100%.

--Credit card processing fees--

Someone has to do the credit card processing for these camshow sales -- and fees are taken out. The percentage outgoing depends on how/who's doing the payment processing, of course, but we're already down 15-20% and gosh, those chargebacks are fun. Keeping up with the Visa/MC deposits with these processors is lovely too, being that we're "high risk" adult entertainment and everything. So unless, I'm going to go to all the trouble to get my camming dudes to send me cash via snail mail which has a number of risks, the least of which is having their money get lost in the mail, and they have to wait to get off with me until their payment shows up and guess who's boner is probably long gone by then?) Just factoring having a merchant account to do the credit card processing already has me at less than 100%.

--Website Hosting--

My sites aren't hosted for free, there's another bill. I'm fortunate to be in a partnership of sorts with some good friends of mine with much bigger sites than mine, I'm pretty much their tag along for as long as they'll have me, but they spend a small fortune every month to keep our sites up. Making sure our sites experience little to no downtime and are backed up (in the rare event of a server hard drive failure -- that happened to us in November and was all kinds of soul-crushing) means forking over more money.

--Using/Paying for 3rd Party Services/Software--

I'm gonna take a stab that you're not very familiar with Skype & don't realize that they are technically a third party service that experiences downtimes. And the quality of the video stream there is definitely NOT as good as those on the big network sites we're ragging on... Skype's better than Yahoo & Eyeball, but it's not the awesomest. To really be totally and completely "independent" -- you'd need to purchase your own video streaming software and anything that's worth a damn is expensive so there's yet more money that you'd need to invest and keep investing in as upgrades are necessary. Having programmers standing by to fix stuff as it goes out. Cha-ching! That's more money flying out of this keep 100% idea.

I think it's wonderful that you're working on something and can't wait to see the results! More power to ya, Bambalina! :)

Amberlily
12-31-2010, 02:26 PM
Amber...you realize that your saying the same thing again as the other post?

Someone goes "Here, look at this horrible anti-woman, behavior...behavior which holds down third-worlders, hurts US cam girls by giving preferential treatment to the people who will work for dirt, and in general shows a disrespect for humanity in general and women in particular...."

And you go "Well that's just cam sites!"

But it ISN'T AW or MFC...It isn't independent camming...NiteFlirt...even CamContacts (I know, that one has no traffic, but it IS far more fair and far more (not just a little) appropriate towards women). So to point out that there is a big group of evil fuckers out there, should be to point out that Stream belongs with the group we boycott and don;t work for....not "oh well..."

B

Not "just cam sites" -- I was more specifically talking about big box cam network types: ImLive, LiveJasmin, Flirt4Free, Naked, Webcams.com, Cams.com, CamWorld, and ect. Not so much with the other sorts that you've mentioned like AW and MFC.

By all means, utilize the places that work for you.

Bambalina
12-31-2010, 03:09 PM
Because I don't get to keep 100%.

--Credit card processing fees--


But card processing fees equate directly to either long waiting times to receive pay, or Payoneer/AlertPay/Bank Transfer/Etc. Fees accrued through the camsites.

See, when I say "keep 100%"...that is a reference to the actual money being spent on your camshow not going to someone else first to have 35% plucked out or whatever.

Your point is well taken, but in general, MOST of the women here are paying some sort of fees to transfer or receive their money, and so the processing fees are a moot point.



--Website Hosting--


Um...HostGator.com for the websites we're discussing? ABSOLUTELY fine and costs $9.95 per month for:


UNLIMITED Domains
UNLIMITED Disk Space
UNLIMITED Bandwidth
Shared SSL Certificate

Meaning you can have 5 or ten different sites on this account.

So if you make $1000 per month (hoping you do WAY better than that) then you are spending 1% on hosting...so yer right...NOT 100%....99% at least as far as hosting goes.




--Using/Paying for 3rd Party Services/Software--


Well, we will agree to disagree here. Every Indy camgirl, who is making a living uses Skype/MSN/Yahoo MAINLY and Eyeball/ICQ/Etc. Secondarily. All of those are free, and it is rare that ALL of them are down.

For those more adventurous....

Red5

100% Free....

I'll do a thread about it...you guys need some red5



I think it's wonderful that you're working on something and can't wait to see the results! More power to ya, Bambalina! :)

Thanks and nothing here is intended as an affront...just that I think there is a way to do this with ALMOST all the money in your pocket, and I have with many women. Can't really argue SOME processing fees...but I usually ignore those because they exist generally across the board.

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Bambalina
12-31-2010, 03:18 PM
Not "just cam sites" -- I was more specifically talking about big box cam network types: ImLive, LiveJasmin, Flirt4Free, Naked, Webcams.com, Cams.com, CamWorld, and ect. Not so much with the other sorts that you've mentioned like AW and MFC.

By all means, utilize the places that work for you.

We agree here in the main then...except I consider MFC and AW to be BIG High Traffic sites of a quality equal to any of the others you named...as far as traffic goes and such, especially when you analyze the traffic patterns with regard to retention and time spent on site, both AW and MFC truly do "blow away" the other sites you list up there...

And overall, I think (and believe me, I understand the power in those first two words, as compared to what reality will DO) anything that truly reaches for a positive change and a new paradigm for the women who actually create the eros in the erotic industry, should be applauded and cheered and supported.

I just didn't read those two posts as doing that, and read them more as apologetics for the Big Cam sites, or even Stream in particular.

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Midnight Oil
12-31-2010, 03:21 PM
(Persistence) lol.
Well what is a black girl site?

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 03:31 PM
Gotta say...I have been to a couple of the strip clubs that cater to black women ONLY, and it sure brings in a LOT of the guys who love a beautiful brown-skinned lady...It provides a gathering place for like minded individuals, and it makes for an experience that is unique....

Just my take...I think a "SexyChocolate Cams" could work well....if done right...

B

I too have been to strip clubs that cater to beautiful black women. I agree.

ShellyConnors
12-31-2010, 03:33 PM
Even if there was a black girl site, Why would you want to be on it? To compete with other black girls? That wouldn't be a smart move. There is no such thing as a black girl site. You just need to find the site that works for you hun.

I respectfully disagree here. If there was a black girl site I'd be the first to sign up! It doesn't mean I'd solely work there (unless the money was just that damn good), but I'd love that kind of opportunity.

I do recognize that while black women can and do succeed in the adult entertainment industry, there is a HUGE bias that exists and it is NOT in our favor. To deny that is just denying the facts. We are not the norm. I get tired of being called a nigger, or them commenting on my "mmm black pussy", or even wanting a "hot black Mistress" to control them... even when they like me a lot, I'm still reminded that I'm "other", my body parts aren't "normal" because they are black. And no matter how much you earn, even as a top girl, if you're black, you and your body parts are "other" too.

I, too, have heard on MFC that it must be harder for a black girl. Idk because I've never been anything other than a black camgirl so I don't have any other experience to draw from. It's a challenge, for sure. I'm sure there are very few, if any, white girls who have to deal with being called a cracker, or are told "mmmmm beautiful white pussy"... "nice white tits with vanilla nipples bb"... yeah, right. ::)

The reason I say I'd love to work on a black site is because I spent a number of years stripping at first at white clubs, then at black. So many times did customers straight get up and leave my stage at the white clubs, only to return when some fat, ugly white chick walked up there. So many times did I call and ask if they were hiring (in my "white" voice), but when I got there I couldn't get past the front door. At black clubs/places/and presumably websites, at least you know for once people are there BECAUSE of, not in spite of, what you look like.

If someone built it, I'd be the first member to sign up. (But never, ever at 35%) :)

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 03:45 PM
I respectfully disagree here. If there was a black girl site I'd be the first to sign up! It doesn't mean I'd solely work there (unless the money was just that damn good), but I'd love that kind of opportunity.

I do recognize that while black women can and do succeed in the adult entertainment industry, there is a HUGE bias that exists and it is NOT in our favor. To deny that is just denying the facts. We are not the norm. I get tired of being called a nigger, or them commenting on my "mmm black pussy", or even wanting a "hot black Mistress" to control them... even when they like me a lot, I'm still reminded that I'm "other", my body parts aren't "normal" because they are black. And no matter how much you earn, even as a top girl, if you're black, you and your body parts are "other" too.

I, too, have heard on MFC that it must be harder for a black girl. Idk because I've never been anything other than a black camgirl so I don't have any other experience to draw from. It's a challenge, for sure. I'm sure there are very few, if any, white girls who have to deal with being called a cracker, or are told "mmmmm beautiful white pussy"... "nice white tits with vanilla nipples bb"... yeah, right. ::)

The reason I say I'd love to work on a black site is because I spent a number of years stripping at first at white clubs, then at black. So many times did customers straight get up and leave my stage at the white clubs, only to return when some fat, ugly white chick walked up there. So many times did I call and ask if they were hiring (in my "white" voice), but when I got there I couldn't get past the front door. At black clubs/places/and presumably websites, at least you know for once people are there BECAUSE of, not in spite of, what you look like.

If someone built it, I'd be the first member to sign up. (But never, ever at 35%) :)


My dear I disagree. This industry is about looks. If you're hot you will make money. Even as an escort 99% of my clients are white. why is that? Men want what they can't have at home. I have also been told by men of other races that being with a black woman is not accepted in their social circle so when the oppurtunity comes a knocking 9/10 times they'll choose a black woman over a white woman. I have heard this many many times. I will give you a perfect example: I went to a call once while working for an agency. The guy took one look at me and said "I will never see a black girl I don't know why they sent you here .......but you're cute come on in". Proves my point that men like what they like. If they don't think you're hot they won't see you/Spend money on you it is just that simple. It is true that a lot of people think ALL black girls are ghetto and ugly. I have heard this many times. It's all about stereotypes. It doesn't bother me at all. They see me and I milk them for all their cash. Stereotypes make me a lot of money. They see that I am the total opposite and will pay lots of money to be with me because I am a "rare find".

I've been told once by a strip club manager that he did not like my skin color. Did that bother me? No. I understand that people just like what they like. I would go MAD if I blamed everything that happened to me on a regular basis on my skin color. I went to another all white club and was hired on the spot. I have worked in an all black club and prefer the white clubs. I love how I was treated there and also liked the fact that I wasn't made to make my booty clap... ugh! LOL!

People are different. We don't all look alike and our experience in this industry differ. I can honestly tell you that once business slows for me I never blame it on my skin color. For me that's just another excuse and excuses don't pay the bills.

Bambalina
12-31-2010, 03:53 PM
We are not the norm.

I get tired of being called a nigger, or them commenting on my "mmm black pussy", or even wanting a "hot black Mistress" to control them...

even when they like me a lot, I'm still reminded that I'm "other", my body parts aren't "normal" because they are black. And no matter how much you earn, even as a top girl, if you're black, you and your body parts are "other" too.

I'm sure there are very few, if any, white girls who have to deal with being called a cracker, or are told "mmmmm beautiful white pussy"... "nice white tits with vanilla nipples bb"... yeah, right. ::)

(But never, ever at 35%) :)

Ok...I liked a LOT of your post...But this stuff made me SO sad...Especially the apparent self-esteem issues in the sentiment of not being the norm...

Have you ever looked at the pussies out there? Or the Asses, or boobs, or faces? What is the Norm? Why is white the norm? White is not NORMAL...it might be predominant, although if you add up all the asians, hispanics and blacks, I think whites might NOT be all that much of a majority...

Either way...I do think there is some "It's an excuse" to all this...because I've worked with many different girls across every race...and as far as I can tell "Creamy White Skin" is VERY much said to those girls...Pretty Pink Nipples, and Pretty pink pussy...Or comments on TANness, or on Hair color, or being shaved, or being hairy....your "Chocolate Tits" are part of you and some men will be turned on specifically by THAT, and there is nothing wrong with that beyond the normal visual objectification men do to all women, that makes our jobs POSSIBLE.

Usage of words like Nigger, Spic, Chink, Honky (I won't say CRACKER, because the I'm in Florida, and they LOVE being called Crackers....look it up on Wikipedia) to me is on the same level as "Fat Bitch" and such other cracks...you boot and ban....period. That is just meanness.

B

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 03:56 PM
Well said Bambalina!

Honestly I have never been called a nigger... at least not to my face lol. When that day comes it wouldn't end well. I just think it's sad that black women feel like this about themselves. sad sad sad. This goes to show that we all have our own way of viewing this industry. I am not saying it's all peaches and cream.. I just don't look at this as a game of race but as a game of looks and SKILL!

The comment of us not being the "norm" was kinda off. Just left it alone. I'm not trying to get too deep into this stuff. If someone feels they're not the norm then that's their way of thinking. I know that being a HOT black girl has made me a lot of money and CONTINUES to make me a lot of money. I can't complain at all. We are all independent here. Our experiences will differ.

Bambalina
12-31-2010, 04:01 PM
Well said Bambalina!

Honestly I have never been called a nigger... at least not to my face lol. When that day comes it wouldn't end well. I just think it's sad that black women feel like this about themselves. sad sad sad. This goes to show that we all have our own way of viewing this industry. I am not saying it's all peaches and cream.. I just don't look at this as a game of race but as a game of looks and SKILL!

Is it harder for a black girl to make it than a white girl? I mean that is the crux of this question...and my answer is that it is WAY easier for a Black girl with GAME ti make it, than it is for a white girl with Bad personality and NO GAME...Maybe all things being EQUAL, it would be easier (marginally) for a white girl, but that isn't the real world....PERSONALITY and GAME and HUSTLE, and Internet Skillz and Mad Pole dancing Skillz and a buinch of other shit all enter into it and make race pretty unimportant.

B

PS. Still..I think my new project (I promise not to even THINK about it till the other two are done) is a cam site for Girls of Color...Hispanic, Asian, Black, Indian, Middle-Eastern, etc. I think it would clean up....

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 04:08 PM
Is it harder for a black girl to make it than a white girl? I mean that is the crux of this question...and my answer is that it is WAY easier for a Black girl with GAME ti make it, than it is for a white girl with Bad personality and NO GAME...Maybe all things being EQUAL, it would be easier (marginally) for a white girl, but that isn't the real world....PERSONALITY and GAME and HUSTLE, and Internet Skillz and Mad Pole dancing Skillz and a buinch of other shit all enter into it and make race pretty unimportant.

B

PS. Still..I think my new project (I promise not to even THINK about it till the other two are done) is a cam site for Girls of Color...Hispanic, Asian, Black, Indian, Middle-Eastern, etc. I think it would clean up....

Very well said!

They can call me a "Nigger" all day but this Nigger is getting paid. Word don't pay my bills, Money does and in that department I am not lacking thanks to my skin color. If I wake up in tomorrow morning to find that business IS slow i will not blame my skin color I will question my marketing skills. I will question the way I treat my clients. I will question what I wear during my sessions but not once will I question my skin color. Black is beautiful.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 04:27 PM
I will be 100% honest here I have never felt this way. I have also never looked at myself and said "Oh it's because there are too many white girls online" or " Those white bitches.. they're taking all the money" It is all a state of mind. Most of my friends are white some of which I've done live girl-on-girl shows with and we always bank. I have also helped those white girls to make money, have welcomed them into my home because I do not see them as a threat at all. It is true that we have to work twice as hard to make it to the top. I know and I've been there but what do I do? Do I sulk and complain? NO WAY! I get my ass online marketing my ass off, sending out emails to my regulars and cooking up new ideas for my sessions . That time you are spending thinking so negative of your beautiful self you could be doing this and seeing a beautiful end result. Baby girl fact of the matter is there is enough money to go around. Do you know how many guys there are online while you are working? All you need is ONE whale to make your night out of 3 million PLUS webcam customers have you ever thought about that? So are you telling me that the majority of those men have a problem with black women? If so, That is false and sad that you feel that way.

Next time it gets slow or business is not going great blame yourself and noone else and ask youself .. what can I do differently? Always switch things up. Hint: Men get bored easily they love surprises.. ;) Stop using being black as an excuse. While you're making it your excuse for not making money .. others are using it as a crutch and making bank!

With that way of thinking I can tell you now that you're hindering yourself from making money. If you don't feel you're super hotttt it will show and men will know and take their money elsewhere ;)

rainwater
12-31-2010, 04:36 PM
I am so sick of people using "being black" as an excuse to why they are NOT making money. As a black woman I made a lot of money camming and still do whenever I get online. The whole race excuse it just that.. an excuse. Men LOVE variety. Believe it or not. It's pretty simple. This job is based on looks, body type.. etc.. If a man likes you he'll become a regular and spend lots of money on you. There is no use complaining about it.


Well that is your opinion islandgirlcoco and just like you're sick of people using "black as an excuse" I'm sick of those who like to bury their heads in the sand and act like racism doesn't exist when in fact it does. Web camming is a microcosm of the outside real world and if it happens out there then why would the internet be any different? Just because you were lucrative as a black cam model doesn't make it true for most. I observe multitude of various camsites and I compare the traffic in white, Asian, Latina, and black womens' rooms and more likely than not the black cam rooms appear very dead and rarely do I see any high activities or high traffic while other races of women have rooms that filled up. I rarely see Ebony women taken into privates. Latina and Asian women are tied but not as much either but the white ones get pulled into privates more frequently than any other because they make up most of the majority. Yes I realized it's been slow every where during the holiday season. However, when most sites were at their normal peaks the ones who had the slowest rooms were the black girls. So don't sit up there and front b/c I've seen it too many times to notice and I know what I'm talking. You just happened to be one of the few lucky exceptions but that alone doesn't discount the general rule. Your experience isn't everyone else's. What's true for you isn't true for everyone else.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 04:44 PM
Well that is your opinion islandgirlcoco and just like you're sick of people using "black as an excuse" I'm sick of those who like to bury their heads in the sand and act like racism doesn't exist when in fact it does. Web camming is a microcosm of the outside real world and if it happens out there then why would the internet be any different? Just because you were lucrative as a black cam model doesn't make it true for most. I observe multitude of various camsites and I compare the traffic in white, Asian, Latina, and black womens' rooms and more likely than not the black cam rooms appear very dead and rarely do I see any high activities or high traffic while other races of women have rooms that filled up. I rarely see Ebony women taken into privates. Latina and Asian women are tied but not as much either but the white ones get pulled into privates more frequently than any other because they make up most of the majority. Yes I realized it's been slow every where during the holiday season. However, when most sites were at their normal peaks the ones who had the slowest rooms were the black girls. So don't sit up there and front b/c I've seen it too many times to notice and I know what I'm talking. You just happened to be one of the few lucky exceptions but that alone doesn't discount the general rule. Your experience isn't everyone else's. What's true for you isn't true for everyone else.


It's not use .. if you feel like shit others are going to think you're shit. If you feel hot and ontop of it look hot people will spend money on you. My words won't change the way you feel about yourself.

ShellyConnors
12-31-2010, 04:57 PM
Ok...I liked a LOT of your post...But this stuff made me SO sad...Especially the apparent self-esteem issues in the sentiment of not being the norm...

Have you ever looked at the pussies out there? Or the Asses, or boobs, or faces? What is the Norm? Why is white the norm? White is not NORMAL...it might be predominant, although if you add up all the asians, hispanics and blacks, I think whites might NOT be all that much of a majority...

Either way...I do think there is some "It's an excuse" to all this...because I've worked with many different girls across every race...and as far as I can tell "Creamy White Skin" is VERY much said to those girls...Pretty Pink Nipples, and Pretty pink pussy...Or comments on TANness, or on Hair color, or being shaved, or being hairy....your "Chocolate Tits" are part of you and some men will be turned on specifically by THAT, and there is nothing wrong with that beyond the normal visual objectification men do to all women, that makes our jobs POSSIBLE.

Usage of words like Nigger, Spic, Chink, Honky (I won't say CRACKER, because the I'm in Florida, and they LOVE being called Crackers....look it up on Wikipedia) to me is on the same level as "Fat Bitch" and such other cracks...you boot and ban....period. That is just meanness.

B

Perhaps my major in college (sociology) has taught me something about "norms" that may not be naturally evident to people who have other areas of expertise. Me saying black is not the norm has absolutely nothing to do with self-esteem, it has everything to do with the principles and ideas that have been perpetuated in America for centuries. To keep it short, from my standpoint and others in my field, what's "normal" and has power is:

-white
-male
-heterosexual
-christian

Why have we had to fight for womens' rights? Because it's a patriarchal society and women do not have the upper hand. Why do we have to fight for gay rights? Because it is not seen as "normal" to be gay. Why do we have to fight for civil rights? Because for a long, long time, people who are not white have been seen as lesser, less desirable. Even still a white standard of beauty is more accepted. Look at the top black celebrities. Beyonce... has a weave, has photographs lightening her skin color. This has zero to do with self-esteem. Trust me on that.

And for the young lady who commented about being hot and top clients being white and getting hired, yeah I dig that. My experiences have been the same. I do really well with white people too, but I won't sit here and act like I've never seen the other, ugly side of the coin. If you haven't been exposed to it then good for you, but it does happen.

Using it as an excuse? No. If that's the case it's best to not even try at all. But ignoring it completely saying it doesn't exist? That's blindness. If it helps you to run your business and life ignoring actual historical and scientifically proven facts then so be it, but I don't live that way.

And one thing you said about being "forced to clap your ass in a black club". That's about as ignorant as anything I've ever heard. Have you ever even been to a black club or worked in one? That's just another stereotype and holds no merit. Glad you are comfortable with believing that.

TeeBaby
12-31-2010, 04:58 PM
Camming is just a job to most girls, and a career to the very little half. That is all for that.

Being a Black female in the sex industry does have it's setbacks, but eh, I don't feel them because those "setbacks" don't come to my chat. If they do, "ban" and "kick."

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 05:00 PM
Hmmm, I'm hoping this is an overall statement because if it's meant for me and only me, I'm having trouble grasping why you've trimmed everything I and others have attempted to say so far down and thrown it back at me? Preaching to the choir.

Kudos to you for never having felt like you needed to suppress certain parts of your personality for fear of turning people off. The statement you highlighted was not in regards to just camming. There are judgmental people offline as well.


No I am sorry I quoted you I was making a general statement. I will go and fix that now.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 05:04 PM
I have never met a black woman with low self-esteem. This is a first for me. I guess it's all about the company you keep. I know I sure as hell would not want to spend money on someone that didn't think they were worth it/felt their skin color was an issue. It is sad that most of you feel this way about yourself.

I want to know how my beautiful friend camwhore feels about this issue. Camwhore, where are you? :)

amazingjane
12-31-2010, 05:17 PM
Lol! I think we all get objectified kind of nastily- sure, it's nice not to be thought of as the sum of your parts, but we're selling sex here! Personally, I bet asian girls have it worse than ebony. Can you imagine how many times a day they hear that luv u long time schtick?!

I LOVE the thought of working a feature site, though. I'm black, mixed, and I love the thought of checking a "yellowbone" box and getting traffic that doesn't ask me 700 times my nationality, disbelieve my blackness, then offend me with a "you're to pretty to be black" comment.

I will agree that I consider being black to be a plus, though. Minority, exotic, bam! Thousands of young looking white girls, only 3 fat yellow bitches. Not much choice. Money in my pocket.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 05:23 PM
Amen to that.

I also get the "You're a pretty black girl" comment and I think should I be offeneded? but nope I think and see dollar signs, dollar signs, dollar signs! :highfive:

rainwater
12-31-2010, 05:25 PM
Um...you are COMPLETELY wrong. Seriously...I'd delete this if I was you, because it just looks really ignorant of the meaning of the word Genetics.

Your DNA is above and supersedes and DETERMINES your race. Really. Look it up. Genetics...IS you. All you are is Genetics, including all the experiences you have had BECAUSE of those Genetics. Black Skin is a Genetic Trait. And very little more...Raise a Black person in a black family, and they "act black" as far as cultural behaviors, raise them in a white family, and the same is true for "acting white" culturally. I wish a true African could chime in here and comment on this idea....

B

PS.
geˇnetˇics definition

Pronunciation: /jə-ˈnet-iks/
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
1 a : a branch of biology that deals with the heredity and variation of organisms
b : a treatise or textbook on genetics
2 : the genetic makeup and phenomena of an organism, type, group, or condition


also;





Look I don't need you defining what genetics are because I know what they mean. I wasn't born yesterday so you can take your intellectual acting superiority elsewhere. What I meant was that race shouldn't be trivialized as just mere "genetics" because not all members of an entire race share the same physical makeup. Race is much more than genetics; it's deeper than that. For example, It's different from rejecting someone who is red-headed because that is a genetic trait not necessarily a racial trait because any one can have that hair color naturally; even some minorities do as rare as that might be. Genetics are usually mentioned as physical characteristics apart from race alone in which anyone could possess that is based upon your own family traits. Racial traits although they are passed down; they are primarily ones in which is unique to a particular ethnic group and not just your family members.



So if a cam customer doesn't like a natural red-head (genetics) that's no biggie b/c it isn't a reflection of disliking her race. It just means he either prefers blondes, brunettes, or raven haired girls. On the other hand, if one doesn't like Asian women period (race) than it wouln't matter on an Asian model genetic traits like her (short) height (can be found on any race), black hair color (can be found on any race), brown eye color (can be found on any race) or so on. Whether she altered herself or remained natural wouldn't matter b/c still in his eyes she never would be good enough as far as attractability as an Asian woman. She can dye her hair blond, wear green contacts, widened her eyes. Guess what? She's still Asian. That is what I meant by genetic traits vs. racial traits. So as always you can play this semantic game if you like but I clarified myself so if you or anyone else still don't comprehend then that's on you.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 05:30 PM
Wow. I swear it's not that hard. Market yourself accordingly, use props if you need to, wear sexy lingerie, have lots of toys, have great cam and good lightning, smile, play games with your custies, I personally like hosting cooking and shower shows, repeat, send weekly mailings to regulars, market some more (facebook, twitter, myspace, start a blog) and after all that if you're not successful then this job is not for you. This plan will always work and it doesn't matter if you're blue, green or purple.

rainwater
12-31-2010, 05:49 PM
It's not use .. if you feel like shit others are going to think you're shit. If you feel hot and ontop of it look hot people will spend money on you. My words won't change the way you feel about yourself.


It has nothing to do with how I view myself. I like my ethnic attributes but let's not forgot we live in a very Eurocentric society that basically believes that anything that's white or damn near close to it is beautiful. I don't believe that just because I refuse to deny the fact or give a blind eye to it that it indicates that I have low self -esteem. Also you must take into account that not all black is created equal b/c if you resemble Beyonce, Rhianna, or Tyra Banks then you would be treated much more favorably in this society as opposed to someone who is darker complected and have more Afrocentric features; especially having coarser, kinky hair. But the hair is a whole 'nother topic.


Also, Islandgirlcoco if anyone is suffering from low self-esteem it would be you b/c you appear to be okay accepting insults and disrespect from white men as long as you are getting that almighty dollar. You seem ok to be referred as the "n" word, being told you're hot for a black woman ( as if it's shocking and possible that black women can be beautiful), and basically being a secret comapanion for white men as an escort who their sole purpose for having any dealings with you is because in their normal circle you're taboo. If that how you as a black woman like to be treated then be my guest. But I'll be damn if I allow myself and women of my race to be disrespected and not check those clients/ customers all for the sake of being a "rare" black woman or just gain $$$$$$$ and that goes for any black woman here as well.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 05:55 PM
^
Ridiculous. My dear there is ugly and beautiful in every race. People like to see beautiful people. Have you heard of genevieve nnaji, Naomi Campbell and oluchi onweagba? Obviously not. Those ladies are are beautiful with natural coarse hair, strong features and just happen to be a very successful models and actresses). I am not beyonce but I do know I'm hot and apparently others think so too. That's why they pay to date me/be around me/watch me live on cam. You don't have to be beyonce or any of those ladies to be hot! You don't have to be a celebrity to be considered hot. I know ladies that are darker than I am with strong facial features (like myself) that guys drool over and would totally ignore me if I were standing right next to them. If others don't find you attractive then that's your own issue as an individual. Like I said this ain't a union. We are not conjoined twins. We have our own way of looking at things.

Just FYI I have seen some ugly white people. It's terrible that you feel that way/think people feel that way about dark women. eeeek. There are beautiful black women and there are not-so-beautiful black women . that's just the way it is.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 06:11 PM
Also, Islandgirlcoco if anyone is suffering from low self-esteem it would be you b/c you appear to be okay accepting insults and disrespect from white men as long as you are getting that almighty dollar. You seem ok to be referred as the "n" word, being told you're hot for a black woman ( as if it's shocking and possible that black women can be beautiful), and basically being a secret comapanion for white men as an escort who their sole purpose for having any dealings with you is because in their normal circle you're taboo. If that how you as a black woman like to be treated then be my guest. But I'll be damn if I allow myself and women of my race to be disrespected and not check those clients/ customers all for the sake of being a "rare" black woman or just gain $$$$$$$ and that goes for any black woman here as well.

Rainwater, Call me what you want. I didn't disrespect you in anyway so show me the same respect that I have shown you. I made myself very clear when I said I have never been called the "N" word to my face. I sure as hell don't live my life thinking that white people are calling me the "N" word to my back. If they are... who gives a fuck?!
My dear this is the business we are in. Again It is based on looks, body type.. etc. I am NOT going to get offended because someone says "I'm a pretty black girl". I am not saying that I have never been rejected for being black.. I have but eventually I got hired at an all white club and made bank! You're the one that lacks self-esteem and it shows. I am glad Bambalina pointed it out first because that is exactly what I was thinking. If you really want to be white then go and bleach your skin like Michael Jackson and stop complaining about it! Sorry I can't join the "I hate myself" club. :)
No point in arguing with someone that hates themself so I'm outie.

P.s I am black but not african american. I was born in another country. Maybe that's why we don't share the same views.

rainwater
12-31-2010, 06:25 PM
^
Ridiculous. My dear there is ugly and beautiful in every race. People like to see beautiful people. Have you heard of genevieve nnaji, Naomi Campbell and oluchi onweagba? Obviously not. Those ladies are are beautiful with natural coarse hair, strong features and just happen to be a very successful models and actresses). I am not beyonce but I do know I'm hot and apparently others think so too. That's why they pay to date me/be around me/watch me live on cam. You don't have to be beyonce or any of those ladies to be hot! You don't have to be a celebrity to be considered hot. I know ladies that are darker than I am with strong facial features (like myself) that guys drool over and would totally ignore me if I were standing right next to them. If others don't find you attractive then that's your own issue as an individual. Like I said this ain't a union. We are not conjoined twins. We have our own way of looking at things.


I'm sorry but those women are not showing their "natural coarse" hair when their hiding them in European-like weaves.


Just FYI I have seen some ugly white people. It's terrible that you feel that way/think people feel that way about dark women. eeeek. There are beautiful black women and there are not-so-beautiful black women . that's just the way it is.


I don't feel that way and if you had actually taken the time to read everything I said I gave no indication that I feel that dark skin is not beautiful. However, you cannot dispute that in western societies light skin or fair skin is considered the standard of beauty. So whether you choose to deny it is your problem but that doesn't take away from the realities. Just because you get paid by white men to be treated as subpar by them doesn't mean they truly respect you or see you as on their level. The only difference is that them showing you sexual attention in exchange for money justifies to them to further disrespect you as a black woman and you allow it for the almighty dollar. But as for me I won't allow it.

islandgirlcoco
12-31-2010, 06:27 PM
Ma'am I said a few of my clients have admitted that to me .. most definitely not all. You're not in my shoes and you know nothing about how I run my business ;). You just sound angry and extremely bitter. It's sad. You do have issues with your own race...

bye now. Gotta eat!

rainwater
12-31-2010, 06:36 PM
I always look at being black in the cam world as a good thing. I am a minority. If and when I'm on Streamate I'm always in the top five on the "Ebony" page. Why? There are never more than 80 some odd black girls on. I love it. Not only that, I'm one of the few attractive, American, well spoken black girls. Besides, these men don't care about specifics, most of them just want to bust a nut...pussy is pussy.


You're acting as if that is a badge of honor or like most aren't capable of being attractive and well spoken and that you're somehow manage to become superior; forget about being American. There's ugly and not so well spoken women of all ethnicities and how you look is based upon genes and you act is based upon environment. You acting so pompous only actually contributes to stereotypes.