View Full Version : How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.
ChatGF
01-22-2011, 08:16 AM
Which brings us back to AdultWork and MFC which are game changers, because they have a plan and popularity and they execute it well, and they are slamming the other big camsites with loss of traffic and loss of girls.
Exactly. I believe that in 20 years, the women will look back on the greedy women of today, who shoot themselves in the foot and say "What took them so long to make their UNION and take over THEIR business!?!?"
20 years is too long history for the average cam girls. Most of the cam girls online today have 1 or 2 years history, and soon will quit replaced by new ones who stay in biz 1 to 3 years. Some cam girls stay 5+ years around but that's a little % which does not make the big part of sales.
Also everyone talk of MFC now like if it opened and after a day it was already so popular. But I can tell you, no one cared to MFC or even know it existed before of 2009 which is just 2 years ago. I remember back in 2004 or 2005 I listed myfreecams into the "strange sites with no traffic" and kept there until 2008, when it started to peak up and so I moved it into list of sites going up and finally into dominator site.
And MFC it picked up just because there's a lot of free sex with toys rooms, they spent less in adverts than streamate or jasmin believe me.
Girls complain there's who do show for free but is because of those girls that you get many guys for your room in MFC even if you not do free shows yourself, so respect the girls who do sex show in free room next to yours, as she have bring and sticked your guys in MFC too:)
To send and keep traffic in a streamate type of site, which is a site with no free sex rooms, it take twice or 3 times or more the $$ than send and stick to an MFC type of site where guys find free stuff like a tube.
So it took 3 or 4 years before that MFC had any popularity, and that's a very long time for a site owner to wait, you imagine a cam girl who know she have to get very little private for 3 or 4 years and only at 5th year she bank big $$, would you wait, would you not bankrupt first?
Also AW, now it is getting popular and some girl even complaints too many girls found it, well AW is around from years starting as unknown thing too.
So even if today someon open the perfect site, it will be small so in loss for years even if on the end if become mega big, that's something to take in account. And this slowness in grow when site is new, and very big crowd when site is big, is because most the cam girls simply do what the most others do, whatever this is 30% pay or so.
Simply most cam girls know most girls are now in MFC or Streamate and they all keep in MFC or Streamate even if not making much money, having patience as "Other girls are in this site so they can't be all wrong, I will keep there waiting". Instead an unknown, small or new site, whatever it pay twice, if not hear other cam girls are there, no one will trust joining, and if join will have no patience and if no private first hours will give up and even write in forums the site is empty or shit.
And again since most cam girls are there 1 or 2 years, unlike lifetime, is not easy to irganize unions or coordinate in any way, most girls will all be in the few big sites everyone knows and have patience to be into, and will avoid with suspect and have zero patience in small or new sites.
cammum
01-23-2011, 10:18 AM
If you sign up as a studio on streamate would you still only get only 35%? And would it be possible to work in your own studio?
Bambalina
01-23-2011, 12:06 PM
If you sign up as a studio on streamate would you still only get only 35%? And would it be possible to work in your own studio?
Yes, other than a few sweetheart studios who worked deals based on size, studios get 35%, which is why they pay 20% or less most times.
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Bambalina
01-23-2011, 12:28 PM
Also everyone talk of MFC now like if it opened and after a day it was already so popular. But I can tell you, no one cared to MFC or even know it existed before of 2009 which is just 2 years ago. I remember back in 2004 or 2005 I listed myfreecams into the "strange sites with no traffic" and kept there until 2008, when it started to peak up and so I moved it into list of sites going up and finally into dominator site.
Well, you partially tell the story right. Because when MFC opened it wasn;t a "camsite" at all in the sense we all talk about, and if you went there, you know this. They had HamsterCams and OfficeCams and men and beaches and women and all sorts of stuff, and they didn't even have a pay area at the beginning.
They were not originally trying to sell the Webcam Girl show, they were trying to sell a site where all cams could come of all types and people would be curious. When they switched over, they did it slowly and with a lot of starting and stopping...But once the site had women doing sexy stuff, it took off pretty darn quick, and much of that was due to 4chan finding the site.
So what you say is true, but it is not for the reasons you think, I believe.
And MFC it picked up just because there's a lot of free sex with toys rooms, they spent less in adverts than streamate or jasmin believe me.
Girls complain there's who do show for free but is because of those girls that you get many guys for your room in MFC even if you not do free shows yourself, so respect the girls who do sex show in free room next to yours, as she have bring and sticked your guys in MFC too:)
To send and keep traffic in a streamate type of site, which is a site with no free sex rooms, it take twice or 3 times or more the $$ than send and stick to an MFC type of site where guys find free stuff like a tube.
Well, I disagree that the only reason MFC became popular was the free shows. First off, they stuck to their rules like glue for almost 18 months and were quite popular just because they had NUDITY and others didn't. But the MAIN reasons I believe MFC was popular, and why I think I have a finger on the pulse of this stuff, is the unique nature of MFC itself. It was "Not The Other Camsites" which were all mostly cloned off of each other. The wide open architecture, the long form chat rooms where the lonely geek could go and actually talk to and befriend a beautiful woman, etc. This made for a user experience never before seen.
I will completely agree however that Non-Nude cammers and Tease-Girls owe a LOT to the girls who do it all in free chat. That to bitch about it is useless and even anti-productive, because those girls bring in major traffic, and even if you think THAT traffic is traffic that won't tip or buy from you (I very much disagree) that traffic brings more links and more google rating and more traffic from MANY other sources, and those guys very well MAY tip.
So even if today someon open the perfect site, it will be small so in loss for years even if on the end if become mega big, that's something to take in account. And this slowness in grow when site is new, and very big crowd when site is big, is because most the cam girls simply do what the most others do, whatever this is 30% pay or so.
Well, I think that all depends....Just because so far, camsites have never truly hit the zeitgeist quickly, does not mean it can't happen. Firstly, the sites you named became popular VERY quickly...once they found the niche that made them popular. New sites will have the advantage there if they are well planned. More importantly, MySpace, YouTube, BangBus, eBay, Google, Facebook, VoyeurDorm, Paypal, AdultFriendFinder, Camz.com are all stories of sites that often started with 0 profit and most in that list were WAY over 1 million ONE YEAR after opening. So, you cannot gauge on other's failure, only on the proven successes.
So, we shall see what shakes out, but the discussion here about Streamate being able to pay more than 35% is one that is a done deal IMHO.
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cammum
01-23-2011, 12:39 PM
I just signed up for the webmaster programm. When you go to the linking page you can chose "revshare cams" and then enter your streamate url. So at least for customers who came through your own website/blog you will get much more.
Question now: What's the best way to promote?
ToxicNerd
01-24-2011, 03:47 AM
Ummm, so after reading a good amount of these posts, I've noticed that you're all saying Streamate models make 35%. Funny, I remember when I first started it was 40%. Then they quietly reduced it to 35% within the last few months. And now, after starting to cam again after a little hiatus, I see that I'm making just under 30%! Has anyone else had issues with them just randomly reducing your percentage without ANY notice? Isn't this against some sort of rule?!
CamWhore
01-24-2011, 05:12 AM
oh wow... 30%
Now lets see who thinks this is acceptable...
Alysa
01-24-2011, 07:14 AM
Ummm, so after reading a good amount of these posts, I've noticed that you're all saying Streamate models make 35%. Funny, I remember when I first started it was 40%. Then they quietly reduced it to 35% within the last few months. And now, after starting to cam again after a little hiatus, I see that I'm making just under 30%! Has anyone else had issues with them just randomly reducing your percentage without ANY notice? Isn't this against some sort of rule?!
I've been on Streamates for 2 yrs next month and I've always made 35% so I don't know what you are talking about.
TinaLayne
01-24-2011, 11:44 AM
^ Same here. I've been there for over a year and it's always been 35%
Bambalina
01-24-2011, 11:52 AM
Ummm, so after reading a good amount of these posts, I've noticed that you're all saying Streamate models make 35%. Funny, I remember when I first started it was 40%. Then they quietly reduced it to 35% within the last few months. And now, after starting to cam again after a little hiatus, I see that I'm making just under 30%! Has anyone else had issues with them just randomly reducing your percentage without ANY notice? Isn't this against some sort of rule?!
Are you accidentally signed up with a studio?
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ToxicNerd
01-24-2011, 07:11 PM
I was originally using a studio, but my old boss decided to let me out of my contract so I could work directly for Streamate. He says I'm not affiliated with them anymore, but the only explanation I can come up with is that he lied to me and is still taking some of my money. Ugh I'm so sick of these skeezy guys thinking they can take advantage of cam girls and they won't notice! I emailed Streamate asking why I'm making under 30%, still waiting on a response. >_>
laurielegs
01-24-2011, 08:49 PM
I was originally using a studio, but my old boss decided to let me out of my contract so I could work directly for Streamate. He says I'm not affiliated with them anymore, but the only explanation I can come up with is that he lied to me and is still taking some of my money. Ugh I'm so sick of these skeezy guys thinking they can take advantage of cam girls and they won't notice! I emailed Streamate asking why I'm making under 30%, still waiting on a response. >_>
Even under 30% is wrong. It should be 35%, period, or you are still with a studio. Take your rate (you can change your rate, correct)? multiply by 35% and that is what you should see per minute on your stats.
ToxicNerd
01-24-2011, 10:12 PM
Even under 30% is wrong. It should be 35%, period, or you are still with a studio. Take your rate (you can change your rate, correct)? multiply by 35% and that is what you should see per minute on your stats.
Yeah I did that, I'm making 27% by that calculation. Sucks.
cammum
01-25-2011, 02:54 PM
I'm always curious so I just created a fake studio account with one model. Of course account is not verified. Anyhow the model account looks exactly the same like a normal account without studio. So the camgirl is not able to see whether the studio is still involved or not. I don't know if that changes after verification but I don't think so.
MsJess
01-25-2011, 11:39 PM
I am under my own studio, why? becouse Streamate doesn't let models from South America join their site as single models, they redirect you through a studio, this is an old email i found from them: I'm sorry but we are not able to add your account. If you wish to work
independently from CO you can contact blablabla}:
[email protected] - they can help
you get yoru account..
So what i did to avoid to be enslaved was to create my own studio account saying that i actually had one, but i had to beg to them really becouse they refused so many times, it was many years a go when i did this, it was the only site that worked for me though. I realize now that im enslaved one way or another GEEZ!. With my studio account i get only 30%, i wrote them some days a go to Please raise my % becouse i knew of other girls getting 35%, this is what they reply to me:
We cannot comment about rates and changes in rates it is by location and
dependent on many factors including if you are part of a studio. Happy
New Year!
Lol...
MsJess
01-25-2011, 11:41 PM
I'm always curious so I just created a fake studio account with one model. Of course account is not verified. Anyhow the model account looks exactly the same like a normal account without studio. So the camgirl is not able to see whether the studio is still involved or not. I don't know if that changes after verification but I don't think so.
Yes, there is a difference. When you sign up through a studio, on your model account you wont be able to see your own adress, name and telephone, also, you wont be able to change your payment settings, thats up to the studio owner.:-\
pushit69
01-26-2011, 09:35 AM
streamate are a bunch of pimps/thieves fuck that shit!
laurielegs
01-26-2011, 11:06 AM
I am under my own studio, why? becouse Streamate doesn't let models from South America join their site as single models, they redirect you through a studio, this is an old email i found from them: I'm sorry but we are not able to add your account. If you wish to work
independently from CO you can contact blablabla}:
[email protected] - they can help
you get yoru account..
So what i did to avoid to be enslaved was to create my own studio account saying that i actually had one, but i had to beg to them really becouse they refused so many times, it was many years a go when i did this, it was the only site that worked for me though. I realize now that im enslaved one way or another GEEZ!. With my studio account i get only 30%, i wrote them some days a go to Please raise my % becouse i knew of other girls getting 35%, this is what they reply to me:
We cannot comment about rates and changes in rates it is by location and
dependent on many factors including if you are part of a studio. Happy
New Year!
Lol...
Here is what I don't understand though. If you are the studio owner, shouldn't they be also sending you a check for the 5% that studio owners normally get? Who is getting that 5% I wonder? Maybe there is a place there you can put in your info and get that 5% sent to you as if you were the owner? I hate it that they are getting away with paying you less.
Bambalina
01-26-2011, 11:24 AM
Here is what I don't understand though. If you are the studio owner, shouldn't they be also sending you a check for the 5% that studio owners normally get? Who is getting that 5% I wonder? Maybe there is a place there you can put in your info and get that 5% sent to you as if you were the owner? I hate it that they are getting away with paying you less.
There is a different pay setup on Stream, depending on where you are from. Stream knows they can pay a lesser rate to truly poor and desolate countries and so they do, which in turn causes the studios in those countries to pay even less.
I think I read somewhere hows they only pay 25% is some eastern European countries, and the girls get 50% from their studio meaning a 12.5% cut for the model...Make $10 and get $1.25...Make $100 and get $12.50...etc. And most of those girls are FINED for almost EVERYTHING...show up late...fine...sick day? fine...say the wrong thing online? fine....
In essence, supporting stream, supports this machine...It's just how it is...
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Bambalina
01-26-2011, 11:28 AM
Before this thread goes too off kilter, I am more about fixing the basic ills the models in the US experience, for now...than just slamming stream endlessly.
Overall, I have come to the realization through all of the posting I have done, that, like many things in life, people A> Just don't give a shit. B> Are far too apathetic and unwilling to actually change their circumstance, and C> Will defend anything they are part of, even if it completely sucks dirty jockstrap....
Therefore, to actually make a change, you have to let those who CARE know, and I think the customers CARE most here. Because they are spending their hard earned porn dollar on making streamate rich and not on getting you naked for MUCH longer.
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laurielegs
01-26-2011, 11:54 AM
Overall, I have come to the realization through all of the posting I have done, that, like many things in life, people A> Just don't give a shit. B> Are far too apathetic and unwilling to actually change their circumstance, and C> Will defend anything they are part of, even if it completely sucks dirty jockstrap....
Therefore, to actually make a change, you have to let those who CARE know, and I think the customers CARE most here. Because they are spending their hard earned porn dollar on making streamate rich and not on getting you naked for MUCH longer.
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Well, not all of us. I'm doing everything I can to try to keep more of my money.
I work Streamate because it's steady money and I live in an expensive area, have personal obligations that prevent me from being on cam some days so I have to pull in a lot per hour.
I work AW almost every day (love the setup but HATE the low prices on there and can't seem to get any biz charging more), recently signed up to SkinVideo, so I have zero loyalty to any one site and never will. Business is business.
Once I find steady money elsewhere I'm gone, but until then I have bills to pay. I'm definitely willing and ready to move sites but there has to be money available for me to live. I will be devoting what time I can to sites that pay more though, even if it means spending every spare minute in front of this computer. I absolutely want things to change for the better.
MsJess
01-26-2011, 01:50 PM
truly poor and desolate countries
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We are not TRULY poor and DESOLATED, LOL
We dont get payed in dollars, we get them in our currency wich is lower so it appears to be alot more money, but the truth is other, besides, girls that sign up in studios do it becouse they really need the money so they dont really learn anything about the bussiness, just learn to get naked, say BB im horny and thats all >:(. There are just a few girls that really work from home and try to get the best out of this.
Bambalina
01-26-2011, 02:28 PM
We are not TRULY poor and DESOLATED, LOL
We dont get payed in dollars, we get them in our currency wich is lower so it appears to be alot more money, but the truth is other, besides, girls that sign up in studios do it becouse they really need the money so they dont really learn anything about the bussiness, just learn to get naked, say BB im horny and thats all >:(. There are just a few girls that really work from home and try to get the best out of this.
Apologies...I didn't intend to say that your country is poor and desolated. I was speaking more about the way stream tends to take advantage more aggressively of those they CAN. To point out that if we show stream we cannot be taken advantage of by being paid less than 50%, then 50% will follow, because it will affect their bottom line not to.
Also, Laurie...I adore the women who truly do the things necessary to make changes and help the industry, as well as the women who truly work their ass off to make their time camming worth while...They make the business great...But like most things, there are THOUSANDS more who just give in and accept and do NO research on how to make more, and even if they are told how, cannot be bothered. Some for fairly 'good reasons" and others for terrible ones....
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ChatGF
01-27-2011, 03:02 PM
There is a different pay setup on Stream, depending on where you are from.
I think is just 35% for usa + west euro, and 30% for everyone else (south am, east europe, asia). I haven't heard a 25% payout, but let's them lower to 25%, I don't think many models from these countries would really quit the site (streamate or others), because they have the traffic and so brings more money to the model then 99% of no private elsewhere. Also consider some sites ( naked.com is one) do not allow to register at all from these countries, so choice of sites is smaller too.
Actually the cam sites are private companies and not charity ones, so being not greedy pose the site in risk of existence when al competitors are greedy. If companies who sell you shoes and t-shirts with big TV ads let these be produced by kids in third world to who is given just some food (there's evidence of that), why a cam site should be better then shoes and t-shirt companies who are even more respectable (as non porn and quoted in stock exchange) ?
Cam sites are not respected by majority of people just because is porn and the % paid to girls is less an issue of image then the site scope itself as it's a sinner operation no one will help or associate with, publically.
Said so, some cam site owner, by own risky idea, paid 50% or more, but these are less popular than who pay less, for reasons told before: the advertising % - and fact the models will be on site no matter the % but matter the total $$ earned = the traffic = the advertising again.
The case of myfreecams is on its own and can't be compared directly with a streamate type of site as advertising logic is different (is more like a free tube than a clothed girls list to be pushed).
As side note I am one with a cam site who pay 60% but I am small site, same as it is small others who pay >50%, for all the same reason above. By experience, % paid do not impress models, it is only the "how much $$ a model do per week in average" and for small sites, except few models with regular guys, most of others (the average) make less $$ then a streamate despite from twice the % over their price sale.
Returning to myfreecams: streamate, streamray(cams.com), vs(flirt4free) and the others are taking counter-measures to mfc free nude thing.
The gold(tips) in streamate is an example, and vs(flirt4free) also added rooms with sex for tips, and so on.
Recently I noticed the following site which is based on streamray(cams.com):
stripshow.com
= (see nude models without pay private - Find a nude show and keep it going with your tip. Other viewers take turns tipping so the model stays naked!)
Everyone is mfc-izing in some way, altough a site born for clothed preview would hardly be patched to become an mfc - Also to be noted 30% or 35% from a TIP = gift to model?...
The tip thing works also as (anonymous) payment for skype shows or other services off-site, but only if it is paid >50% and there's freedom to talk in chat - obviously the normal style sites forbids exchange of personal contacts in chat and (again for the topic) pay less than 50% of the tip, then is not good as payment for other services off-site.
So I think some of those mfc-izations may fail as don't replace or emulate the full "pay me in mfc tip to sell panties" like an adult paypal or ebay thing.
My forecast for 2011 and few next years it is that:
- most models will continue to be on 35% paying sites with high traffic, and this will permit these sites to buy more traffic than other sites and so to keep leading
- mfc will not be emulated successfullly, so will continue to be big or even grow more. May keep alone of a kind, unless someone clone it 100% same (no simply add tips to 30% pay old style site) and even pay more %, and still this potential second newcomer is not easy or fast to grow even if all smart.
- more small sites paying 50% or more will die, or open then shortly die, or simply keep small, and models will not join them as "too little traffic" and will still continue to blame the big sites for pay low but let small sites who pay big be empty of models and so fail as guys want see models online.
Bambalina
01-27-2011, 07:29 PM
My forecast for 2011 and few next years it is that:
- most models will continue to be on 35% paying sites with high traffic, and this will permit these sites to buy more traffic than other sites and so to keep leading
- mfc will not be emulated successfullly, so will continue to be big or even grow more. May keep alone of a kind, unless someone clone it 100% same (no simply add tips to 30% pay old style site) and even pay more %, and still this potential second newcomer is not easy or fast to grow even if all smart.
- more small sites paying 50% or more will die, or open then shortly die, or simply keep small, and models will not join them as "too little traffic" and will still continue to blame the big sites for pay low but let small sites who pay big be empty of models and so fail as guys want see models online.
My forecast for 2011 and beyond:
- More and more models will bail out on 35% sites as alternatives appear. Those 35% sites will continue losing traffic to MFC and as more MFC like sites appear, more and more traffic will siphon away, causing desperate changes to the 35% places which in turn lose them popularity for the reasons you present above.
- At least 2 new MFC-like sites will open (one I know for a Fact...hehe) and they will become popular fairly quickly by capitalizing on MFC itself, and using the previous success. As well, a few completely new Camming ideas will come to the fore and be emulated as well. I know this because I have one in development right now.
- Many cam sites will open and then die as always because they have no idea how to quickly grow traffic and truly build a following. But the number which succeed will also grow as the concepts behind what makes a popular site become well managed and better handled.
- A strong bid will be made for bringing together camgirls. While it may NOT end up being the final form of a "Union" or collective, it will increase the collective bargaining IQ of all the camgirls out there, as well as the general knowledge of what passes for right and wrong in this industry. Within 2 years a much more serious collective bargainiong mentality will begin to pervade the adult industry, and will include stripping and porn, and POSSIBLY even Escorting, as the attempts at collectives have been in full swing there for some time.
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AngelCummings
02-02-2011, 12:15 AM
This is HANDS DOWN the most greatest statment ever made about this BULLSHIT. It was very visual, and it STUNG:fever: . :'(
i know right? im thinking about making it my siggy if i get her permission :)
lolamadeline
06-23-2011, 07:58 PM
That is why I am focusing my attention on sites that pay over 50%. Niteflirt especially, because I am building up a lot of regulars there, and 70% is just too lovely.
I havn't even cammed on streamate since November, because I don't like the fact that I am not being treated the same as the girls who are on a 1 week delay. Not to mention the fact that they didn't even respond to my last 2 emails, and yes I was professional and polite.
i'm pretty irate as well at how much they literally rob us of.
whis is this Nightflirt site? can you be signed up to both, i forget SMs rules for camming on other sites. how is traffic? 70 % is really really tempting. i am not doing this because i love it....
laurielegs
06-24-2011, 12:20 PM
i'm pretty irate as well at how much they literally rob us of.
whis is this Nightflirt site? can you be signed up to both, i forget SMs rules for camming on other sites. how is traffic? 70 % is really really tempting. i am not doing this because i love it....
It's niteflirt.com You can work that site too. I've been on it for years but since their big crash a couple years ago I find the traffic is dead. I rarely ever get a customer there unless it's one of mine. If you have your own customers it's great tho.
AngelCummings
06-24-2011, 12:28 PM
Apparently Streamate staff is on this forum lol.... Hopefully they are reading this and getting a reality check?
amanda36c
06-24-2011, 03:11 PM
I'm willing to work for 35%, as long as the site provides a SHITLOAD of quality traffic. When that traffic declines and I find myself having to look outside to bring my own in, then I want at least 85% of what I earn. These sites have thousands of meters running 24/7, so there really is no excuse for them not buying the traffic needed to support it. Any site that I've seen stop 'investing', it was because either a) they hid traffic by filtering it through other sites, with linking cam feeds b) they company was already nosediving and they wanted to let it run itself into the ground.
Just some food for thought.
How the heck do I get my banner on the bottom to be clickable? And here I thought I was savvy just because I knew HTML! ;)
Amanda
Bambalina
06-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Streamate are assholes. While it is correct that if they can bring Smasho Slammo Holey Cheezus! Traffic, it will force most girls there right now, there is absolutely NO fucking excuse to pay women 35% of what they earn, and we're gonna prove it with the collective. Seriously, if you even begin to do the math, you realize how fucking badly they are REAMING you and for me it was something I just could NOT do....I never stopped girls who worked with me and whom I promoted from working SM, but most of them saw the light and did other things, since I'm pretty darn good at making them money...
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Bambalina
06-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Overall Streammate exists for ONE reason and one reason ONLY.
To -=*STEAL*=- Customers from!
And it's not that hard....
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Vogue
06-25-2011, 10:56 PM
There is a different pay setup on Stream, depending on where you are from. Stream knows they can pay a lesser rate to truly poor and desolate countries and so they do, which in turn causes the studios in those countries to pay even less.
I think I read somewhere hows they only pay 25% is some eastern European countries, and the girls get 50% from their studio meaning a 12.5% cut for the model...Make $10 and get $1.25...Make $100 and get $12.50...etc. And most of those girls are FINED for almost EVERYTHING...show up late...fine...sick day? fine...say the wrong thing online? fine....
In essence, supporting stream, supports this machine...It's just how it is...
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OMG this is the most F* up thing i ever heard in 6 years im in industry !
Based on what ? if the model come from a poor country she dosent need money ? lets abuse the poor countrys anyway they are poor ? is she less human or less of a woman because she just born in wrong country ? I cant belive my eyes ! Thats so so so wrong :O ! woow ! cant tell you how i feel right now /:O:'(
lolamadeline
06-28-2011, 01:11 AM
this is all absolutely disgusting.
i just signed up, been there 10 days, am getting decent traffic, but it infuriates me that they exploit both US and I even feel bad for the guys.
i've had ALL nice guys so far - and it is not fair to them that if they're TIPPING me 10$ for a nip slip on guest, i'm getting $3.50. i'm sure he thinks he's giving me $10 of his probably hard earned dollars. instead it's SM taking the big cut. it is NOT ACCEPTABLE. Do they know what a tip really is?
the above post is .... NOT ACCEPTABLE EITHER.
REALLY upset about that. studios are horrible enough as it is, jeez.
i'm already looking for an alternative....who provides the best rates?
how CAN we change it....how DO we steal customers....i'm just so lost in all this. i lost my job and i have to pay rent. YOU KNOW?!
Bambalina
06-28-2011, 10:26 AM
Well, as far as stealing customers, knowin the best places to make and keep your money helps.
Skype is your friend.
Read this thread:
But overall, this thread is about making Stream change their ways, and one of the #1 ways to do that is to make ALL customers aware that when they give you $5, only $1.75 goes to you, when they give $20, only $7 goes to you...make sure every customer knows that and Stream will very possibly be forced to change it.
Some think the customers won't care...I disagree, and for two reasons...One, most customers are tipping because you made them want to give you their money, so it is honest "niceness" that will annoy them...they don't want to tip $13 to SM and $7 to you, they want to tip $20 to YOU...But secondly, is the greed factor...If I (your cool customer) ask you (miss example camgirl), what you will do for $20 and you know you get to keep $16, what will I get? Ok, same scene, but you get to keep $2...what do I get?
Further, lets say I have $100 to spend and I come to SM and want a good long private...How long will I get and how willing will you be to be REALLY wild for me...you get to keep $35, Now look at an indy site, that pays 80%..How long and how good for the private where you keep $80?
So, unless you crazy and work just as hard and long for $35 as your do for $80, this should shows camgirls how BAD SM is for their customers. And this creates a really strange ethical loop, since you are allowing the customer, who is truly your bread and butter to be ripped off terribly, and you know that he would be better served ANYWHERE else but there....and you are with-holding that info for Streamate, which is the one ripping you BOTH off....
Sad state of affairs...and that's why I am absolutely going to offer better alternatives this summer.
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Mistress Anika
06-29-2011, 10:55 AM
There is a different pay setup on Stream, depending on where you are from. Stream knows they can pay a lesser rate to truly poor and desolate countries and so they do, which in turn causes the studios in those countries to pay even less.
I think I read somewhere hows they only pay 25% is some eastern European countries, and the girls get 50% from their studio meaning a 12.5% cut for the model...Make $10 and get $1.25...Make $100 and get $12.50...etc. And most of those girls are FINED for almost EVERYTHING...show up late...fine...sick day? fine...say the wrong thing online? fine....
In essence, supporting stream, supports this machine...It's just how it is...
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<off topic>
So much wrong with what they pay us let alone the studio girls and the ones in eastern European countries.
This woman is sitting on a chair covered in plastic and a small towel with a couch that would be at home on any frat house's porch. While the paint peels off the walls and her shoes.
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Bambalina
06-29-2011, 11:41 AM
This is why I say, that for as long as you MUST deal with these ethically bankrupt people, you need to do whatever you can to increase your take and keep the playing field level. I so wish we could help these exploited workers in third world nations that Streamate so Heartily supports. MFC does it, and IM does it and LJ REALLY does it...but SM is the most egregious offender in my opinion, especially with differing pay scales for poorer countries....
Fucking Thugs. I cannot see how anyone EVER defends SM EVER.
Anyway, if you are an ethical person, you will do whatever you can and as much as you can to distance yourself from these thugs. I'm trying to make it happen...it isn;t easy though in a world they ALREADY own...
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twigs
07-10-2011, 11:28 AM
after reading over his threat I'm surprised (shocked actually) that people were saying I was stepping over the line for pointing these kinds of things out about MFC. I see people on this thread calling people dumb asses and all kinds of directed irate rants a million times more beligerant and accusing than anythign I've ever posted about these cam scams.
WOW,... only 35% with SM? granted, that is more than most MFC models are getting in their deals but,... seriously?
Hell, there is even a post on here suggesting a UNION, which I admit is a much needed goal in the adult industry but at the same time a far loftier one than anything I've suggested as a solution.
Just look at the economics of it. things like the cost overhead, running the site and how much they make from collecting and reusing the sessions. They make BANK. Paying the model only 35% is like the US coal industry paying a miner $4.50 an hour. Granted this industry likes to keep a lot of the actual cost overhead a well kept secret (like they would prefer their contracts to be as well for obvious reasons).
I'd suggest asking SM to be honest and up front about their cost overhead and their profit margins. An honest company can be honest about their earnings. If they do not want to share then just ask the IRS for the earnings and tax reports through FIA. At least SM is talking with people. MFC is as closed up and unwilling to explain itself as any online adult entertainment company out there could be.
When you know what SM made, cross reference that with the combined earnings of the models for that same time and see if there is a large divide in what that company makes and what the models make.
Also take into account residual sales and marketing of recorded cam sessions and images from sessions if they are sold on DVD or over the internet. That SHOULD be part of the model's income as well BUT most of the adult entertainment industry is unlike all other media marketing in that they prefer to cut the talent out of residuals where ever they can. publications like Hustler and playboy do it and a few of the mainstream video companies do it but it is almost unheard of in online adult entertainment. That is a change the industry will have to slowly work into.
Don't use the "u" word right now though. If models, cam girls and strippers started getting organized,.. Whooooaaa! that would be the biggest and most impressive labor movement, especially for women since the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire in 1911. Effectively 100 years!!
Also considering that the sex trade of ANY kind has NEVER had a comprehensive labor movement since,.. ever. this is the oldest profession we are talkin' about.
Sites like SM and MFC would start paying more and being more open and ethical with contracting fi they knew what they were doing might just force the talent to form,... *gasp* ,.. UNIONS
lolamadeline
07-10-2011, 12:02 PM
What is the difference between MFC and SM and LJ?
I signed on with SM because of the geographic blocking and i heard a lot of models were moving from flirt 4 free (?) to SM.
Signed up with MFC but the interface confuses me. what do they take? Are they as sketch as SM?
twigs
07-10-2011, 01:53 PM
MFC has the worst contract I've yet seen in all of adult entertainment to date and the worst contract among the cam sites. It is very long and confusing but it is entirely built to entrap anyone who signs it. Good news though is it is so fraudulent and deceptive in nature (much like MFC's marketing) that it would never hold up in court. like with all cam sites that accumulate a lot of models only a small percentage of those will ever make real money. Another part of MFC's marketing is to get those who do make money out and tlking about it as much as they can. As you can see from other forums about MFC here. they push a lot of pre-scripted answers but even some of those, like the token system chart they post, do not always match up.
Here is a good example of how bad MFC is:
http://www.myfreecamsscam.com/
That website speaks very favorably of MFC.
Which would stand to reason since MFC OWNS that website. It has a few flaws it it's information though.
MFC currently had FIVE complaints with the BBB, not just 3 and they are NOT all resolved.
Also from MFC's BBB report it clearly states that MFC IS NOT approved by the BBB.
While MFC has only two current compalints on MFC that is actually two employee complaints. there are also three customer complaints and five other complaints about the other website's MFC (cybertainia/Leo Radvinsky) own.
It claims the models are making 60% of the income. Even If they are honoring the current token system in the best example version of it that has been posted, that is not possible.
Streammates has a pretty bad contract as well but at least they are more open about that and their pay system has a firm and established dollar value to it. They arent flipping it with a shaddy token system or threatening the talent with really bad contracting terms like telling them they can't share the contract with outside lawyers or another party for advice or clamping them to "universal" exclusive rights like MFC does.
MFC's "token" system seems to change all the time from model to model depending on who you talk to but since it clearly states in the MFC contract that the actual value of these tokens can be changed at any time, that makes it easy for MFC to lower the value if they feel the pinch at any time.
MFC is also operating a website that claims to provide users with stolen passwords to adult websites. but all the websites it leads to are all owned by MFC.
I have to admit that is one slick method of deceptive marketing but it is still deceptive marketing.
Just imagine what would happen if ford started handing out keys they said were from stolen cars but then turned out to be fords with boot clamps on the wheels that it just so happened to cost $30,000 to remove.
Leo Radvinsky is lucky there isn't much oversight into adult entertainment.
lolamadeline
07-10-2011, 02:13 PM
WOW Twigs, thank you SO MUCH for all your information. you sound like an insider?
I am actually pretty happy with SM and they pay on time and the traffic is pretty good. i just wish the threat of privtate show piracy wasn't so real and that they paid the models a better rate. The token system of MFC really just confused the hell out of me. I think I will stay away.
MFC has the worst contract I've yet seen in all of adult entertainment to date and the worst contract among the cam sites. It is very long and confusing but it is entirely built to entrap anyone who signs it. Good news though is it is so fraudulent and deceptive in nature (much like MFC's marketing) that it would never hold up in court. like with all cam sites that accumulate a lot of models only a small percentage of those will ever make real money. Another part of MFC's marketing is to get those who do make money out and tlking about it as much as they can. As you can see from other forums about MFC here. they push a lot of pre-scripted answers but even some of those, like the token system chart they post, do not always match up.
Here is a good example of how bad MFC is:
http://www.myfreecamsscam.com/
That website speaks very favorably of MFC.
Which would stand to reason since MFC OWNS that website. It has a few flaws it it's information though.
MFC currently had FIVE complaints with the BBB, not just 3 and they are NOT all resolved.
Also from MFC's BBB report it clearly states that MFC IS NOT approved by the BBB.
While MFC has only two current compalints on MFC that is actually two employee complaints. there are also three customer complaints and five other complaints about the other website's MFC (cybertainia/Leo Radvinsky) own.
It claims the models are making 60% of the income. Even If they are honoring the current token system in the best example version of it that has been posted, that is not possible.
Streammates has a pretty bad contract as well but at least they are more open about that and their pay system has a firm and established dollar value to it. They arent flipping it with a shaddy token system or threatening the talent with really bad contracting terms like telling them they can't share the contract with outside lawyers or another party for advice or clamping them to "universal" exclusive rights like MFC does.
MFC's "token" system seems to change all the time from model to model depending on who you talk to but since it clearly states in the MFC contract that the actual value of these tokens can be changed at any time, that makes it easy for MFC to lower the value if they feel the pinch at any time.
MFC is also operating a website that claims to provide users with stolen passwords to adult websites. but all the websites it leads to are all owned by MFC.
I have to admit that is one slick method of deceptive marketing but it is still deceptive marketing.
Just imagine what would happen if ford started handing out keys they said were from stolen cars but then turned out to be fords with boot clamps on the wheels that it just so happened to cost $30,000 to remove.
Leo Radvinsky is lucky there isn't much oversight into adult entertainment.
twigs
07-10-2011, 03:55 PM
shhhh, don't say Im an "insider" or someone here may come and try to say I'm trying to compete with websites or make money of the advice i give. lol, I hate to admit it but currently stream mates is the least offensive mainstream camming site I've seen. but that is hardly an endorsement. they are "safe" to work with is as far as I'll go. The best option of course is to do it yourself. indie cam girls who do this right make major dollars. of course i can't point out any or yet again someone will try to say I'm trying to make money or someone will get harassed. I can point out the bad ones though and MFC is just down right BAD and not good bad.
laurielegs
07-10-2011, 03:57 PM
WOW Twigs, thank you SO MUCH for all your information. you sound like an insider?
I am actually pretty happy with SM and they pay on time and the traffic is pretty good. i just wish the threat of privtate show piracy wasn't so real and that they paid the models a better rate. The token system of MFC really just confused the hell out of me. I think I will stay away.
Lola, come to the Camming Connection section where there are actual webcam hosts who can give you advice who have really worked live on cam and have firsthand experience with all the major sites.
This is the Other Work section, and anybody can post here, even people who have never ever worked on cam. It's really not the best place to get advice here.
twigs
07-10-2011, 07:27 PM
see what I mean.
lolamadeline
07-10-2011, 07:36 PM
sorry to all. peace!!!
Bambalina
07-10-2011, 07:40 PM
MFC has the worst contract I've yet seen in all of adult entertainment to date and the worst contract among the cam sites.
This is absolutely true, however this is also a disconnect between theory and Practice...
In THEORY MFC is worse because they retain SO MANY rights, and stipulate so much...
In practice, they have never been shown to be selling private shows to other sites, they don't seem to own any stake in the tube sites, They don't actually generally take advatage of all the horrendous language in their contract, while Streamate DOES.
Also, Have you read Stream's contract? It is like comparing cyanide (mfc) to Arsenic (Stream)...They both retain so many rights and so much of the content that women own NOTHING.
But thusfar, MFC has never yet STOLEN content from girls, and SM does this DAILY...
It claims the models are making 60% of the income. Even If they are honoring the current token system in the best example version of it that has been posted, that is not possible.
Um, This I don't understand. And I think I'm fairly savvy and smart.
$20 for 200 tokens...10 cents per token. Girl keeps 5 cents. That is 50% MINIMUM.
Ok, $49.95 for 550 tokens. This comes out to 9.08 cents per token, and since the girl makes 5 cents per token still, is 55%
900 Tokens for $74.99 i 8.3 cents per token, and since the girl still makes 5 cents per token, this comes out to be 60% on the dot.
THere is one bigger package that comes out like 63%, but the AVERAGE that we can extrapolate that MFC pays is 55%-57%...
So your charges here don't add up....In this regard MFC is MUCH smarter and better for camgirls than SM or any other site beside AW.
Streammates has a pretty bad contract as well but at least they are more open about that and their pay system has a firm and established dollar value to it. They arent flipping it with a shaddy token system or threatening the talent with really bad contracting terms like telling them they can't share the contract with outside lawyers or another party for advice or clamping them to "universal" exclusive rights like MFC does.
Did you actually READ it? It is like 1% better than MFC...it isn't a really better contract, and SM in PRACTICE posts their models shows, and sells them as well.
It's again like saying "Well, getting slammed in the face with a shovel is better than having your kneecaps shot..."
MFC's "token" system seems to change all the time from model to model depending on who you talk to
Um...I posted the actual pay, and actual cost of tokens...I have worked with at least 40-50 different MFC women in promotion, and all of them were paid EXACTLY those rates. So I just don;t get this angle of "attack" on MFC.
but since it clearly states in the MFC contract that the actual value of these tokens can be changed at any time, that makes it easy for MFC to lower the value if they feel the pinch at any time.
There is not ONE camsite that doesn't include that the pay can be changed at the whim of the owners. This is one thing that even a Collective must legally do if they are to survive, otherwise they would be forced to pay that rate even if they are LOSING money...you must have a disclaimer about rates of pay.
MFC is also operating a website that claims to provide users with stolen passwords to adult websites. but all the websites it leads to are all owned by MFC.
I have to admit that is one slick method of deceptive marketing but it is still deceptive marketing.
See? Now this is the meat and potatoes here! Now, post us some proof as in WHOIS and such that this is true. It will be awesome for girls to see this stuff.
This like Stream owning partial stake (the rest is owned by businesses owned by co-owners of Stream) in several Advertising Operated Tube Sites and then posting girls privates there and paying the women nothing.
Or Stream using their own co-owners as affiliates and paying them HUGE amounts (not to mention the burn to the TRUE affiliate that cannot EVER compete with a Stream Owned Affiliate) and saying the affiliate program is one of the big reasons they can't pay more 35%.
Overall, you miss the biggest camworld destroying SHIT aspect of MFC...because they are right, you aren't a model, so you don't even see it...
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twigs
07-10-2011, 08:50 PM
Mean n taters you want, meat n taters you got:
http://www.ultraxxxpasswords.com/ (NWS)
"WE HAVE THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HACKED XXX PASSWORDS!
WE'VE GOT MORE QUALITY XXX CONTENT" THAN A TOP PAY-SITE!"
http://www.networksolutions.com/whois-search/ultraxxxpasswords.com
Domain Name: ULTRAXXXPASSWORDS.COM
Registrar: MONIKER
Registrant [188231]:
Leo Radvinsky
[email protected]
Cybertania Inc
2123 Warwick Lane
Glenview
IL
60026
US
My kung fu is raw dog.
I posted this with a lot of other links and WHOIS data earlier. There are others who have seen the significance in it. U r a shmart cookie. Keep up the good work.
Bambalina
07-10-2011, 10:54 PM
Lets try some of this...It's kind of like some odd cyberdetective foreplay...
That one is fun.
Purported Hacked Passwords you say?
Our old Friends FlyingCroc emerge!!!
ANd more fun!
and we begin to pare down...
And I leave you with that for now....That should alert you to the type of people who ARE Streamate.
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Bambalina
07-10-2011, 11:21 PM
And once again, because it's SO good...
Ross Perkins -
Enjoy that....
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twigs
07-11-2011, 08:35 AM
Damn, that gave me a data mining orgazzzzim. I'm not saying SM isn't a bad company. I'm just saying when compared to MFC it is the lesser of two evils. Damn these are nice. some of these I've never even seen before.