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LAChloe
09-20-2011, 04:17 PM
OK, i'm really tired of this. I'm pretty sure bambalina got banned because she was too "edgy" with her remarks towards unions and the industry around cam sites. While I admit both her and I have had some pretty heart felt and some what preachy opinions, it doesnt change the fact that these websites and their owners are taking advantage of models and setting a very poor standard for an industry that should by now be at least somewhat open, ethical and organized. They have so many of you so spun and mis-directed in what to do that it seems there will never be any sort of calm or stability for anyone. It isnt just the cam sites either. These alt sites, the same alt sites that told us years ago they would reform the entire industry are now no better than IEG (one of the first sleezy major internet porn companies that also had links to kiddie porn on it's sites) was over 15 years ago.

I really am just,.. sick and I wanted to see if ppl like bam and the others i saw out organizing were really into it and doing something BUT for all her talk she never did anything but,.. talk. this website she said she had going to organize models was a flop that she never put any effort into and the others she said were doing something with here were just more of the same nonesense.
I wanted to see if they could do it because I am not a model, a porn star or a site owner. I really think it should be of and for the models to get these things going.
BUT, since there is just more lollygagging , pointless talk and distress going on, I've decided to put some investment into it.

This Saturday (prob around midnight) I will provide you with the following:

1. A way to cam for yourself, have your own website for your cam connected to a social net with google+, facebook and myspace conectivity and still make 75% of the profits after paysite, stream tech and website expenses. All the tech is provided, you just have to have a cam, a domain ($5 a month) and a host site (like those $20 a month ones from hostgator)

2. A paysite hook up service that does not require you to own a business license. they provide all the paysite services, provide tip, buy now, subscription and member services and even cover CHARGE BACKS! they also do not charge the insane visa fee (over $800 annual).

This is how sick i have become of it.

These services make the websites so they belong 100% to you. they only charge for the billing processing and even then they provide you with effin charge back coverage and the insurance you would have to pay out the arse for.
Then when plenty of you have your own cam sites just make a central box page for them and BAM, now YOU own your own web sites, you make the majority of the profits, no more sick ass fraudulent contracts and no more half assed pay out "token" systems.

DONE

Okay, I am confused. Exactly what are you doing?

And is Babble-ina (Bambalina) involved with it at all?

Friendly
09-21-2011, 01:02 AM
Hey there Friendly! Welcome to the boards. I see that you are industry related. Sooo what exactly is it that you do? It is always nice to see people that are "industry related" wanting to help us fight for our rights to make more money.


Sorry, English is not my first language. I put that because I have done so many jobs in this industry. :) I dance, VERY part time in Florida, and met Bambalina there and asked her to help me to start into cam-modeling, and she did a wonderful job and I have worked on AW and MFC and done quite well. Right now I am taking some time (about 9 months) off for personal reasons, and I have been working on learning some Web Design, and other skills to help me move forward in this industry of the internet.

I appreciate you taking time to ask!



I look forward to hearing what you do. Always nice to see a non performer but industry related who wants to help out. Sorry for the thread jack just wondering...I finally realized we are worth more than what we bust our "vagina's" (lol) for. This why I have mainly gone indy but it is hard sometimes to avoid big box sites altogether.

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm a performer through and through, although if these other ventures work, I would love to not have to perform so much and to be more involved in the internet side of thins.

:)Friendly:)

Friendly
09-21-2011, 01:06 AM
And is Babble-ina (Bambalina) involved with it at all?

I am sorry, but I find this VERY offensive. To attack someone on here is against the rules, no?

But to attack someone who is banned and cannot reply is cowardly and unbelieveable.

Bam is my friend, and I find this attacks of her made after she is gone from here to be terrible.

:)Friendly:)

ukmissy
09-21-2011, 07:36 AM
Friendly , if your soul purpose here is to defend a banned member , you might as well go away . While many of us don't agree Bambalina should have been banned, let's not clog up the forum back and forth on a decision already made.

roast
09-21-2011, 10:44 AM
To answer the title topic with actual strategies on how to get paid more on streamate while working on it as an streamate cam model:

1. Advertise your page on streamate as http://[your SM name].cammodels.com, youll earn a higherpercentage + get a percentage of when new signups buy show from other models. Dont advertise it when you're chatting on SM this way (bc you can be suspended) but promote your cammodel link everywhere you can. Twtter, facebook, forum signatures, mypornprofile, your website, etc.

2. If you have a members only website (perhaps even just a website where you own the domain, Im not sure) contact SM's modeling rep Vanessa to get the code to stream from your website. you earn an even higher percentage doing this. her contact info is in the forum if you search for it but I can PM it to you too

This should be obvious but Ill say it since this thread is overwhelmed by people who arent cammodels + don't even work on streamate: you're not an unethical sucker for working on a site where you know you'll get paid on time. youre not an unethical sucker for working on a site where you know youll get paid what your earnings history says youll be paid. youre not an unethical sucker for working on a site where there is paying traffic. youre not an unethical sucker for trying to stay financially afloat in this oddhorsebeast of an industry.

Until there is a viable outlet that provides something better - your livelihood > forum ideology. Dont allow people to (who dont even work on the site in question) make you feel guilty

is it ideal? probably not. is it the best site to work on? nah, maybe even hell no. but if it is what youve got and you rely on it to support your livelihood - you're not a sucker or unethical.

My advice is to try to take advantage of the ways to earn more on SM while diversifying what you do online - until you find something else that is more sustainable. And be extremely aggressive in keeping up your promotions + content + independence. The payoff is ultimately working less for more money and better control of your brand.

ChatGF
09-24-2011, 09:01 AM
So I miss a week and in meantime bambalina was banned and we got a guy who will gift a site or system like:


This is how sick i have become of it.
These services make the websites so they belong 100% to you. they only charge for the billing processing and even then they provide you with effin charge back coverage and the insurance you would have to pay out the arse for.
DONE

My post it is in no way an endorsement of 35% or lower payment to cam girls or sites who pay low. My site pays 60%, and I am proud of that, but it is also a reason why the site keeps small. And why many others who paid big the girls collapsed in past 10 years.

Interesting point it is the Chargeback coverage - it can be quite a beast, if you do it "unlimited".
At my site I have a chargeback insurance for up to $250 per 15 days pay period per model, which pretty cover 99.9% of chargebacks.
But for example I got a guy time ago who chargebacked at once $7000 spent all with a same model... And cases of $1000 or $2000 chargebacks are quite frequent.
Especially consider if a site pays a 35% to the model it must give back $350 every $1000, but if the site pays 60% or more, you have to give back $600 or more every $1000 chargeback.
But you maybe not know that every chargeback even for $1.95 will add a $10 to $30 fee per transaction (depend on biller, I have 5 or 6 billers), so let's assume the $1000 it was made in 10 transactions your bank misses $1250 not just $1000. But since processing fee is 5%-15% you had got $900 instead of $1000 from start, then chargeback is $1250 so do your math how it is to pay 60% or more and eat the chargebacks too.
I did not added that to be 100% legal, you have to pay some 19% valie added taxd on every european customer, but let's say is all americans, or that you do an illegal website (streamray/aff got a $80 million bill to pay from european union for unpaid vat tax on its european customers across years - simonscans site got hit by same issue and this is why could not pay affiliates, there was drama in forums, etc.).

I know that most cam girls (and customers) think by default prejudice (or by see ganster movies) that whoever run a cam site is doing lots of money off the girls, bnearly like a theft - this may be true for the top 3 or 4 cam sites just because the biz volume (but I have no direct evidence, I not read their accounting books).

I hope it is peacefully logic that whatever cam site (whoever run it, even the united nations) can not have 50% of net profit and not even 20% really (I mentioned costs of advertising and affiliates elsewhere).
If you have a cam software and bring there your traffic (not meant users stolen from cam sites, I mean fished from the net for real), then yes you can get the money minus biller fees (10% or even less in some cases), but then this is same of a skype show from personal site and we know the cam girls stay in the big cam sites because the personal site is never enough (you should exclude the guys who found you in a cam site then googled your nickname, this is again found by the cam site not by you first - without the cam site your page would not interest him).

So (beside one can hate me or not because I am not a cam girl), I can tell from direct experience of running cam sites for others and myself, that for an autonomous site with own traffic source, paying the girls more then 60% i tmake collapse, unless it is girls bringing most guys but then girls could do skype shows. About chargebacks I think these can be insured up to a certain amount, but unlimited is silly as first $5k or $10k chargebacks you get, there's no money to pay some girl or the bills.
About getting traffic, do few blogs and twitters is not enough, it is required to buy it and you can see the prices (per banner, clicks, impressions, popunders, whatever) in networks who sells these or by contacting each site webmaster, you will see that it costs lots.

Those models with years of experience may remember how many good guys (former "sweet" and "humanitarian" customers or so) tried to setup the dream cam site for own gf-camgirl(s), paying more then 50% and investing his money, then the site ending up empty and bankrupt. Especially if need real company behind it to keep it solid and legal with all the accountants and tax costs (yes, tax - they pay a little of that even in islands).

So I would come to the conclusion that if sites paying 60% or more it was viable, these would be the ones with the most traffic today, and those paying the models too few would have collapsed and been boicotted. The guess it is, that the profit % of cam are not that big (not as most cam girls believe). So the most popular sites i.e. SM or MFC or else now could maybe pay more or a little different policies and rules (or funnier admins or whatever you dream), but not dramatically better as bambalina (or the guy who want gift cam sites to girls) would think - such as raise from 35% to 60% and other changes all together.

Welcome the people who gift cam sites to models, but also please do your researches and math, as I wasted myself lots of money in failed web projects in past 15 years and I would have thanked anyone who would have told me the biz numbers beforehand.

SweetPinkCupcake
09-30-2011, 10:48 AM
I'm glad people here don't have to worry about being bitched at and thrown conspiracy theories every time somebody mentions they like working on Streamate anymore.

twigs
10-01-2011, 10:25 AM
LOL,.. there are porn cam "conspiracy theories"?

twigs
10-01-2011, 10:28 AM
to answer the previous post about the cam site option i found, I'm not posting the website publicly. the owner is already getting shit because they only take 25% and pay the rest directly to the model along with a residual contract for and additional 20% to the model for all residual sales. Apparently this makes them some huge evil company so they are only working with a few at a time. If anyone wants the link message me.

twigs
10-01-2011, 10:38 AM
So I miss a week and in meantime bambalina was banned and we got a guy who will gift a site or system like:



My post it is in no way an endorsement of 35% or lower payment to cam girls or sites who pay low. My site pays 60%, and I am proud of that, but it is also a reason why the site keeps small. And why many others who paid big the girls collapsed in past 10 years.

Interesting point it is the Chargeback coverage - it can be quite a beast, if you do it "unlimited".
At my site I have a chargeback insurance for up to $250 per 15 days pay period per model, which pretty cover 99.9% of chargebacks.
But for example I got a guy time ago who chargebacked at once $7000 spent all with a same model... And cases of $1000 or $2000 chargebacks are quite frequent.
Especially consider if a site pays a 35% to the model it must give back $350 every $1000, but if the site pays 60% or more, you have to give back $600 or more every $1000 chargeback.
But you maybe not know that every chargeback even for $1.95 will add a $10 to $30 fee per transaction (depend on biller, I have 5 or 6 billers), so let's assume the $1000 it was made in 10 transactions your bank misses $1250 not just $1000. But since processing fee is 5%-15% you had got $900 instead of $1000 from start, then chargeback is $1250 so do your math how it is to pay 60% or more and eat the chargebacks too.
I did not added that to be 100% legal, you have to pay some 19% valie added taxd on every european customer, but let's say is all americans, or that you do an illegal website (streamray/aff got a $80 million bill to pay from european union for unpaid vat tax on its european customers across years - simonscans site got hit by same issue and this is why could not pay affiliates, there was drama in forums, etc.).

I know that most cam girls (and customers) think by default prejudice (or by see ganster movies) that whoever run a cam site is doing lots of money off the girls, bnearly like a theft - this may be true for the top 3 or 4 cam sites just because the biz volume (but I have no direct evidence, I not read their accounting books).

I hope it is peacefully logic that whatever cam site (whoever run it, even the united nations) can not have 50% of net profit and not even 20% really (I mentioned costs of advertising and affiliates elsewhere).
If you have a cam software and bring there your traffic (not meant users stolen from cam sites, I mean fished from the net for real), then yes you can get the money minus biller fees (10% or even less in some cases), but then this is same of a skype show from personal site and we know the cam girls stay in the big cam sites because the personal site is never enough (you should exclude the guys who found you in a cam site then googled your nickname, this is again found by the cam site not by you first - without the cam site your page would not interest him).

So (beside one can hate me or not because I am not a cam girl), I can tell from direct experience of running cam sites for others and myself, that for an autonomous site with own traffic source, paying the girls more then 60% i tmake collapse, unless it is girls bringing most guys but then girls could do skype shows. About chargebacks I think these can be insured up to a certain amount, but unlimited is silly as first $5k or $10k chargebacks you get, there's no money to pay some girl or the bills.
About getting traffic, do few blogs and twitters is not enough, it is required to buy it and you can see the prices (per banner, clicks, impressions, popunders, whatever) in networks who sells these or by contacting each site webmaster, you will see that it costs lots.

Those models with years of experience may remember how many good guys (former "sweet" and "humanitarian" customers or so) tried to setup the dream cam site for own gf-camgirl(s), paying more then 50% and investing his money, then the site ending up empty and bankrupt. Especially if need real company behind it to keep it solid and legal with all the accountants and tax costs (yes, tax - they pay a little of that even in islands).

So I would come to the conclusion that if sites paying 60% or more it was viable, these would be the ones with the most traffic today, and those paying the models too few would have collapsed and been boicotted. The guess it is, that the profit % of cam are not that big (not as most cam girls believe). So the most popular sites i.e. SM or MFC or else now could maybe pay more or a little different policies and rules (or funnier admins or whatever you dream), but not dramatically better as bambalina (or the guy who want gift cam sites to girls) would think - such as raise from 35% to 60% and other changes all together.

Welcome the people who gift cam sites to models, but also please do your researches and math, as I wasted myself lots of money in failed web projects in past 15 years and I would have thanked anyone who would have told me the biz numbers beforehand.


Actually it is possible to make plenty of operational cost by only taking 25% of the intake and paying the rest direct to the model. After processing that actually leaves only 10% from each stream for the owner. On top of that they can offer residuals, something virtually no one in the newer arena of online adult entertainment has done in years. yet in ever other media outlet they do it. even more so after the gag and wga strikes.
there are also services that set up the stream on an individual web site for the model along with a link from a box site that thumbnails all of them together but the model has to pay the host and streaming fee of $50. which isn't so bad considering that if you actually do make good money at camming 25% and $50 a month for a service IN YOUR OWN NAME is pretty solid.

unfortunately the people building these sites are getting a lot of shit from the mainstream industry for doing so. It is too set in everyone's mind that owners have to make insane profits while models get jacked. so they are asking to screen new models.

liltoad
10-21-2012, 06:25 AM
I think 30-45% is fair, I mean look at the artists / directors. Even James Cameron who did back-end for writing, producing, and directing earned only 12% of the total revenue of Avatar. Meanwhile Johnny Depp can only ask for 4% of the total revenue of his movies. Now you can argue as much as you want but when I watch a movie, the actors / directors affect my decision whether I will watch it or not. Not Sony / Paramount or some shit but they make the most out of the revenue. Is it fair that the studios make more than the actors and directors? Hell no! But hey thats how it works. They invested lots of money and have taken the risked of opening a studio / investing on a movie now they are reaping the rewards of it.

If a site is giving you more than 50%, then the site would not have any money for marketing itself. You'll end up with a site that only have 100 people watching. So do you really want that??

MyFreeCams is a different cam site, they were not marketing its site so they can offer 50%. But the site is a self selling site thats why they can do that, I mean free porn?! I can chat to anyone without paying and have them perform sexual acts for free? Hell I'll go to that site whenever and whatever and I'll be telling that to my friends.

Any site that offers free porn can grow virally without advertising.

But do you think that it is fair for the models there? Look at the models below top 50. Set a timer and look at their earnings. Can they make more than $10 for an hour? Maybe if they are lucky, but luck is a dangerous thing to trust especially when you rely on that money to feed yourself. In the meantime the model performs an hour, working, performing even if she's not making money.

I've been looking at how much they make and I saw one girl performing sexy dances and made $2 in 30 minutes. Some girls only make $2 for an hour. And most of the girls at the bottom don't make anything. Sure its tempting to see the top girls make $100 in just 5 minutes but it is the 3% that makes that money. The 97%, well they are just tiring themselves. So 50%?? Sure!

Streamate / Livejasmin are innovators when it comes to marketing its service. Just look at this:

Those are the tools that web masters use to market YOU.

Look at the payment rates for the web masters:

Now you'll see why they only give below 35%.

Look at Google's profits. They earn billions but they only pay minuscule to their developers who make those services happen.

Thats how our world works. Those who risked the most and succeed are the ones who earn more. You can't turn that around or else there will be no innovation, most of the future innovators will just work at a company because there are no motivations to innovate anymore. We won't have iphones, or any future products anymore.

Now what do you think will happen if SM offers 50% to the models? The scenario will be:

1. SM will need to undercut their budget on marketing
2. Web masters will find another cam site who offer bigger rates, lets just say they found LJ as their replacement for SM.
3. No one is advertising SM anymore, traffic goes to LJ.
4. Girls complain saying they are not making enough money anymore like before.
5. Girls switch to LJ because most girls are earning more there.

See what just happened?

Lovelyme
10-21-2012, 07:03 AM
This whole thread is a whole lot of nothing. Seriously.

AureliaC
10-28-2012, 01:27 PM
Personally cams.com hoses me off more with that 29% crap. And acting like you get 45%, to girls that can't do math... Making you charge less for fans clubs then taking all your fanclub money if you don't have the damn time to put in 80 hours.

Cam_Model_Jess
10-28-2012, 01:37 PM
Um... how is a blue ribbon posting here?

loveshooks
10-28-2012, 01:50 PM
this thread was recently moved into cc from ow (where dudes are permitted to post)

the blue ribbon poster wrote his contribution when the thread was still in ow

IsobelWren
10-29-2012, 06:23 AM
I'm locking this thread. LilToad performed some serious thread necromancy to resurrect it and this particular thread, plus a thread this old is no longer relevant.