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Laxman
02-19-2011, 03:21 PM
Hahah No.

Men use the same lines, over and over again.. it truely works.

What if someone uses a different line? Will that result in a successful seduction?

Laxman
02-19-2011, 03:23 PM
Sadly yes, in a moment of true naivety. Strip club- not a good place to meet boyfriends!!!!!!

Fair enough but what is wrong with keeping an open mind?

KS_Stevia
02-20-2011, 02:12 PM
Almost Jaded, your ladies are gorgeous, I want to be the peeping tom on that show, hehehehe......

Almost Jaded
02-20-2011, 05:28 PM
Part of this is the double standard. Many men (especially more conservative) think one sort of girl is for the bedroom and another is to marry. It's part of our culture where this double standard evolved.

SOOOOO true. And everyone - men and women alike - suffer for it; in both their relationships and in their sex lives. One would think people would have moved on by now, but what's more - one would think people would WANT to move on! Having hangups isn't fun, LMAO!


Almost Jaded, your ladies are gorgeous, I want to be the peeping tom on that show, hehehehe......

Sometimes I think I'm the luckiest guy alive. Certainly most guys I know say I am, maybe 2nd to Hef, lol. MM refers to herself as "the ugly girlfriend" sometimes - and she's fucking gorgeous. I certainly don't deserve any one of them IMNSHO. But honestly, the poly relationship is SO much work and SO much drama, sometimes we ALL wonder if it's worth it. We've had offers for a reality show - and that would be quite a show as the behind the scenes stuff is so stressful it's insane. Yes the bedrooms can get steamy but that's a tiny fraction of our lives. But on that note - there's no need to play peeping Tom; girls are always welcome to watch or play and sometimes couples too if we all get along. We're not swingers but we do like our fun uninhibited. Hit us up if you're ever in Sin City. :P

Slin
02-21-2011, 06:11 AM
None of the tips you are giving are wrong. It's more the issue how easily a person who is reading what you write could apply it in their own lives. "Make them feel special, make them feel respected - BUT MAKE THEM FEEL WANTED. And once you're in the bedroom, THE SAME RULE APPLIES" is of course true. Same with a piece of advice like "Be confident". That is of course very important (probably the most important tip) but just simply saying that to a person who isn't confident or who isn't a natural alpha isn't going to help him much. Instead it would be better to give him some tips on body language, posture, how to speak, etc. It sounds like you are a person who never had to work on this part of your life. Well a lot of guys aren't in your situation. Sometimes naturals tend to be the worst teachers because they don't actually have to think about what they are doing and would be hard pressed to explain why what they are doing is so effective because what they do is so ingrained and part of them. You can't teach talent.

And in the story of your friend, the girl was basically already begging for a dicking. He had won the lottery and all he had to was walk across the street to cash his ticket...which he was unwilling to do due to some SERIOUS mental blocks. The advice most guys need is how to win the lottery in the first place...not cashing the ticket.

Oh and I have never been a "nice guy" type ever in my life LOL I actually read that Heartless Bitches article when I was like 16 and I promised myself that I would chop off my balls if I ever ended up like that since I obviously I wouldn't need them anymore

Hopper
02-21-2011, 07:27 AM
^ You can thank 18th century romanticism for the schizophrenic conception of women. This is what resulted in "respectable conservative" 19th century western Christian values.

Slin
02-21-2011, 10:50 AM
I'm pretty sure the whore/virgin complex has been around waaay longer then the 18th century.

Oh and I think Schopenhauer wrote an essay that kinda touched on the " 18th century romanticism for the schizophrenic conception of women".

Almost Jaded
02-21-2011, 05:08 PM
Actually, I am the exact opposite. As I high functioning autistic, literally everything I do and or say in any social setting at all is learned and practiced behavior. Well into my teens I was the most awkward person you can imagine. I observed, I practiced, I applied. Not just with women; with EVERYTHING. My default existence is hiding in a corner with headphones on and a book or scratch pad. That's the only time I'm ever really comfortable.

Slin
02-21-2011, 07:03 PM
I've seen some people comment that Mystery might be autistic because of how highly scripted and reliant on canned lines the Mystery Method is. I think that might be the appeal of his system for guys. What's a major problem guys have when they are out with a girl they are attracted to? "Oh I didn't know what to say/do next." Well MM pretty much tells you how to behave and in many cases, exactly what to say (hence why you see so many MM practitioners using the same lines) in each moment of an interaction. Of course, something like human interaction can't be drilled down to a paint by numbers game but I think for someone who isn't successful for women/people...it's a good start.

With the kind of background you just described I would think you would be more supportive of the fact that there's a system to help guys that were in the same situation you are in.

KS_Stevia
02-21-2011, 07:25 PM
Sometimes I think I'm the luckiest guy alive. Certainly most guys I know say I am, maybe 2nd to Hef, lol. MM refers to herself as "the ugly girlfriend" sometimes - and she's fucking gorgeous. I certainly don't deserve any one of them IMNSHO. But honestly, the poly relationship is SO much work and SO much drama, sometimes we ALL wonder if it's worth it. We've had offers for a reality show - and that would be quite a show as the behind the scenes stuff is so stressful it's insane. Yes the bedrooms can get steamy but that's a tiny fraction of our lives. But on that note - there's no need to play peeping Tom; girls are always welcome to watch or play and sometimes couples too if we all get along. We're not swingers but we do like our fun uninhibited. Hit us up if you're ever in Sin City. :P

This summer. Whooohooo!

KS_Stevia
02-21-2011, 07:30 PM
I've seen some people comment that Mystery might be autistic because of how highly scripted and reliant on canned lines the Mystery Method is. I think that might be the appeal of his system for guys. What's a major problem guys have when they are out with a girl they are attracted to? "Oh I didn't know what to say/do next." Well MM pretty much tells you how to behave and in many cases, exactly what to say (hence why you see so many MM practitioners using the same lines) in each moment of an interaction. Of course, something like human interaction can't be drilled down to a paint by numbers game but I think for someone who isn't successful for women/people...it's a good start.

With the kind of background you just described I would think you would be more supportive of the fact that there's a system to help guys that were in the same situation you are in.

I wouldn't say Mystery is autistic, but I think his system, and others like it, can be very helpful to men on the autistic side of the spectrum, ie, lower capacity for social learning, reading of verbal and physical signals from others.

and I haven't read his books, but I do know a few nice guys that do a variety of Pua stuff...to honestly meet women they like and want to date...not to insult and try to get into bed....but I know there is a more insidious component to the games too.

Hopper
02-22-2011, 04:34 AM
"Make them feel special, make them feel respected - BUT MAKE THEM FEEL WANTED. And once you're in the bedroom, THE SAME RULE APPLIES" is of course true. Same with a piece of advice like "Be confident". That is of course very important (probably the most important tip) but just simply saying that to a person who isn't confident or who isn't a natural alpha isn't going to help him much.

It's clear what AJ means by that in the context of his posts; and pretty much all there is to that, is responding to however the girl turns you on and doing what you want to do. Within reason - you still have to show some respect and observe the girl's limits, though you may not necessarily know what they are. You can't be a total pig.

Almost Jaded
02-22-2011, 01:36 PM
It's clear what AJ means by that in the context of his posts and pretty much all there is to that is responding to however the girl turns you on and doing what you want to do.

Holy run on sentence batman, I had to reread that like 5 times, lol. Close. Not "do whatever the hell you want", but show her the desire as well as the respect. You cover that in the 2nd part, but it's not super clear if you don't mind my saying so.

Its not "showing SOME respect"; show a LOT of respect. But too many "nice guys" emphasize the respect to the point where they insist they aren't into her for sex; they look down on guys that "obviously just want to get in her pants". Then they bitch about never getting laid or always being friend zoned. Well WTF did you expect, LMAO?

Girls like sex too. Go figure. They want to feel wanted, too. Go figure. And many - I dare say MOST - want you to show some aggression in that department, to know they have that effect on you (cuz believe me, they TRY). Let her know you will always treat her well, always respect her - and always want to rip her clothes off at the first opportunity, too.

And when it comes to the ripping the clothes off part, once you're in the bedroom - making sweet romantic love is fine and good - for a minute. But chances are she's wilder than she generally lets on, and she's DYING to let that at out of the bag, too. It's okay to get worked up once things are underway, and if you never do - she'll find someone who will. ;)

she sells sanctuary
02-25-2011, 02:47 AM
I've seen some people comment that Mystery might be autistic because of how highly scripted and reliant on canned lines the Mystery Method is. I think that might be the appeal of his system for guys. What's a major problem guys have when they are out with a girl they are attracted to? "Oh I didn't know what to say/do next." Well MM pretty much tells you how to behave and in many cases, exactly what to say (hence why you see so many MM practitioners using the same lines) in each moment of an interaction. Of course, something like human interaction can't be drilled down to a paint by numbers game but I think for someone who isn't successful for women/people...it's a good start.

With the kind of background you just described I would think you would be more supportive of the fact that there's a system to help guys that were in the same situation you are in.

let's not forget all the lies systems like his tell guys. lies that totally help them out.

like when i was younger, i gave some pua guys chances because i didn't realize what they were doing. i just thought they were pathetic losers who had no idea how to act, and that they'd be crazy about me for even talking to them, since clearly what other girl would. only plenty of other girls would, because they were thinking the same thing as me. like when a guy asked if my nails were fake (they were long, but clearly not fake looking), i figured he must do badly with girls. and when he played push/pull games, i figured he was just scared that i was just toying with him. lol.

but what normal guy (as in, not a sociopath) is going to be able to pull that shit off if he knows how it really works. so you've got to tell him that he's "demonstrating higher value" and being an "alpha male". you've got them quoting all this dubious research about how women all want big strong guys who can protect them or whatever. if a girl doesn't respond, it's her "bitch shield" or a "shit test". it's her fault, she's a bitch. it's not your fault. it's not because you just aren't her type, or she's got other stuff on her mind. so you just have to pay more money to find out more techniques to get past the bitch shield so you can fuck any woman you want, whenever and however you want.

Hopper
02-25-2011, 03:29 AM
^ There is genuine advice about how to interact with women; there is advice on how to manipulate women into doing what you want; and then there is bogus advice for stupid misfits about how to manipulate stupid, naive or unsuspecting girls. But even the first type of interaction involves a bit of cat-and-mouse and shrewd marketing and it happens on both sides. Women's magazines provide the female equivalent of some or all of the above three types of advice. Many women have been doing the same type of thing that MM teaches men only for a lot longer.

Almost Jaded
02-25-2011, 06:27 PM
Ha! Good point, lol.

Slin
03-08-2011, 02:38 AM
^ There is genuine advice about how to interact with women; there is advice on how to manipulate women into doing what you want; and then there is bogus advice for stupid misfits about how to manipulate stupid, naive or unsuspecting girls. But even the first type of interaction involves a bit of cat-and-mouse and shrewd marketing and it happens on both sides. Women's magazines provide the female equivalent of some or all of the above three types of advice. Many women have been doing the same type of thing that MM teaches men only for a lot longer.


They even have their own book: http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=143611

Hopper
03-08-2011, 04:17 AM
^ Although that book is titled "Why Men Love Bitches", it seems to actually be describing plain self respect. The OP of that thread says being nice doesn't work but it sounds like she is going after assholes. The book seems to be about handling assholes. Being a bitch attracts assholes and keeps away the decent guys, who probably would appreciate her cooking and would not stand her up every Friday night. That book seems like it is making women fall into the trap of thinking that being nice is being a doormat and behaving with self-respect means being a bitch.