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zombee
01-17-2011, 12:53 PM
^I wonder if you have that perspective because you've never done sex work (stripping, escorting, etc.) I can't speak for prostitutes, but as a stripper, if someone is paying me $20, then I'll give them the same quality of dance as I'd give anyone else paying me that, with no weight given to their appearance (And I'll get no more or less enjoyment out of it if they're a 10 vs. a 1). And I'd think that, within reason, it'd be the same for prostitutes. Money for sex is money for sex.
Well, I have seen a few girls in the 'Other Work' board mention they enjoy it when a client is good looking. I don't know if it effects their performance, but it makes sense to me, and I feel the same. I prefer to dance for people who are nice to look at as opposed to people who aren't. Their looks don't effect what kind of dance they get or how much they pay, though. Probably a common sentiment.
rickdugan
01-17-2011, 01:07 PM
I think that Jack posted in response the some of the girls' comments on the previous page, where a few of them discussed age limits and/or whether he had to at least be a little attractive. Now these girls were speaking theoretically anyway, so who knows what the reality would be if they actually escorted for a living, but there it is.
Having said this, I found Jack's post inapplicable for a few other reasons, not the least of which is the sad fact that many guys would gladly screw almost anything with a heartbeat and a vagina. There's a reason why the sex industry is largely tilted in one direction. A woman would have to be pretty darned hideous to not be able to get laid by someone halfway decent looking.
yoda57us
01-17-2011, 01:38 PM
^I wonder if you have that perspective because you've never done sex work (stripping, escorting, etc.) I can't speak for prostitutes, but as a stripper, if someone is paying me $20, then I'll give them the same quality of dance as I'd give anyone else paying me that, with no weight given to their appearance (And I'll get no more or less enjoyment out of it if they're a 10 vs. a 1). And I'd think that, within reason, it'd be the same for prostitutes. Money for sex is money for sex.
Exactly. I can speak from the perspective of a customer of many escorts and close friend to a few very good ones. If, as a sex worker, any of your requirements involve the guy being good looking then you are going to be a broke-ass sex worker. Guys who are too rough or who try to cheat or waste a girl's time will wind up on an escorts Do Not See list. The good looking guys are generally, just as in the strip club, the ones who waste a lady's time by asking her for dates instead of paying for her time. Then there are the escort PL's who, just as in the strip club, are convinced that they are somehow special and represent more than a wallet to the girls who are having sex with them for money. A guy who is average looking, fat, ugly or anything just short of jaba the hut-like will always get an appointment as long as he has passed a gal's screening. If he treats the lady well and respects her and her time he will even get preference over new customers or troublesome ones.
It's all well and good to speculate about unrealistic hypothetical situations here but the fact is there are very few Robert Redford's or Richard Gere's out there with good looks and fat wallets surfing the web looking for escorts.
Kellydancer
01-17-2011, 02:01 PM
In the spirit of fairness - guys should answer this question, too -
For $0 to $10, I'd fuck an "8" girl (attractive scale 1-10) or higher.
For $50, I'd fuck a "7" girl.
For $100, I'd fuck a "6" girl.
For $500 I'd fuck a "3" to "5" girl.
For $10,000, I'd fuck the most hideous female on the planet, but only if I could wear blindfolds and multiple condoms.
This is funny and actually reminds me of an ugly friend I had. She was very hideous (I used to describe her as the sister of the Creature from the Black Lagoon but realized that was insulting to him). She was easily a 1 on that scale. Big nose, pockmarks, terrible body, just horrendous (and ugly voice to boot). Anyway, I found out she slept with almost every guyfriend and all of her male neighbors. I asked one of them one time why they did this and one was honest. he said "yes she's a double bagger but lets guys do things normal girls wouldn't do, such as fuck her in the ass without a condom and swallow cum". It kind of convinced me that many men will have sex with any women.
Rookie2010
01-17-2011, 02:04 PM
yes she's a double bagger
but lets guys do things normal girls wouldn't do, such as fuck her in the ass without a condom
does that even make sense? lol
yoda57us
01-17-2011, 02:14 PM
It kind of convinced me that many men will have sex with any women.
Agreed. The even the ugliest girl at the bar is not going home alone if she doesn't want to.
Of course, she's not going home with me...
Kellydancer
01-17-2011, 02:37 PM
does that even make sense? lol
Not to me, but if guys are stupid to have sex with her then they deserve what they get. I haven't heard from her in almost 20 years but I suspect she's a hooker now. Not a pretty high class one.
Kisca
01-17-2011, 02:42 PM
^ As long as she has a pussy, thats all it takes for a man really.
Do you tell your friends, or keep in your memory bank? Highly doubtful
jack0177057
01-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Having said this, I found Jack's post inapplicable for a few other reasons, not the least of which is the sad fact that many guys would gladly screw almost anything with a heartbeat and a vagina.
That's not true for everyone. One time I tried to fuck a girl I was not attracted to physically and I couldn't get it up. This has never ever happened with a girl I am attracted to. (By "attracted to", I mean at least a 7 on my scale.)
To fuck someone lower than 7, I would need the help of alcohol or a lot of "preparation" (i.e., porn and touching myself).
jack0177057
01-17-2011, 03:07 PM
Agreed. The even the ugliest girl at the bar is not going home alone if she doesn't want to.
Yeah, but you could say the same about guys... Ugly guys can find women to screw, too.
yoda57us
01-17-2011, 05:53 PM
Yeah, but you could say the same about guys... Ugly guys can find women to screw, too.
Yeah, ugly ones....
This is one of the reasons that P4P exists Jack. So that ugly guys can have sex with a beautiful woman rather than settling for the fat chick at the end of the bar...
jack0177057
01-17-2011, 06:43 PM
^ I agree... You said, "The even the ugliest girl at the bar is not going home alone if she doesn't want to." The implication is that she would never pay for sex, because somebody (i.e., some disgusting drunk bastard) will be horny and drunk enough to fuck her.
But, that assumes she's content to fuck any filthy slobbering drunk idiot, and has no standards whatsoever.
Its an entirely possible, that if given a chance and assuming she's got some disposible income, she'd rather pay a higher quality male to fuck her. Granted, we don't hear about male (straight) prostitutes as much as female prostitutes, but they are out there, and its more common than most people realize.
It also happens in marriages (i.e., normal or good-looking guy marries an ugly fat girl because she's an heiress to family wealth.)
yoda57us
01-17-2011, 07:24 PM
Its an entirely possible, that if given a chance and assuming she's got some disposible income, she'd rather pay a higher quality male to fuck her. Granted, we don't hear about male (straight) prostitutes as much as female prostitutes, but they are out there, and its more common than most people realize.
LOL, Sorry jack but it's really not that common. Spend a few years on the escort boards and get back to me on how common it really is...
In theory anything is possible but practical reality is a different story. I'm sure there are women who would pay. Heck, I've read statements right here on this site from women who say that they would pay and none of them are ugly! For mail escorting to become truly viable there would have to be a much larger and willing client base. That doesn't really exist. I spent 20 years working in bars and found at closing time that it was fairly common to see a good looking guy leaving at 2am with a fat chick. It's just not as hard for an woman to get laid, for free, as it is for a guy...
Kellydancer
01-17-2011, 11:06 PM
Yeah, ugly ones....
This is one of the reasons that P4P exists Jack. So that ugly guys can have sex with a beautiful woman rather than settling for the fat chick at the end of the bar...
This is generally true but there are exceptions. For instance the man I wanted was what you would call ugly. He himself calls himself ugly. For some unexplained reason he turned me on and I'm not ugly.
However, that is a rare exception and only because I knew what he used to be like. Most ugly men have it worse than ugly women because there are more single men than women until you get to the 50's or 60's. That means even average women can pick choices, while average guys often have to take what they can (and especially ugly men).
charlie61
01-17-2011, 11:21 PM
Then again, this thread isn't really about escorting. It's about a one-time encounter. That definitely changes things.
Ugh, this reminds me of the phenomenon where guys would rather see the waitress naked than the strippers. Guys would rather fuck the stripper than the prostitute. ::)
Athenathefabulous
01-17-2011, 11:35 PM
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yoda57us
01-18-2011, 06:14 AM
Then again, this thread isn't really about escorting. It's about a one-time encounter. That definitely changes things.
Very true and, as if it wasn't obvious from my posts, that's my issue with the entire "indecent proposal" concept here.
Ugh, this reminds me of the phenomenon where guys would rather see the waitress naked than the strippers. Guys would rather fuck the stripper than the prostitute. ::)
Makes me scratch my head too. And of course the guys who do see escorts then want to see a porn star or UTR super model rather than a regular escort. The escort boards re filled with guys asking if so-and-so the porn star or former miss world or former super model is available for sex...
SerenaSin
01-18-2011, 08:46 AM
In the spirit of fairness - guys should answer this question, too -
For $0 to $10, I'd fuck an "8" girl (attractive scale 1-10) or higher.
For $50, I'd fuck a "7" girl.
For $100, I'd fuck a "6" girl.
For $500 I'd fuck a "3" to "5" girl.
For $10,000, I'd fuck the most hideous female on the planet, but only if I could wear blindfolds and multiple condoms.
I think a more apt comparison would involve any of the guys on here being offered an exorbitant amount of $ to have sex with another man.
Most guys I know would fuck another guy for 50 grand, easy.
Would I do it? Fuck yeh! My bf would prolly give me a big ol' high-five as I left to meet him and we'd be laughing all the way to the bank afterwards
jack0177057
01-18-2011, 10:52 AM
LOL, Sorry jack but it's really not that common. Spend a few years on the escort boards and get back to me on how common it really is....
No need to apologize... I'm not planning on making a career out of it, so I don't really care one way or another.
I did, however, see a report on TV about male escorts (catering to females) and they interviewed escorts and female customers. The female customers where not even as gross as you would think.
There was one very attractive low-30s woman who was intensely focused on her business (she was an entrepeneur and workaholic completely absorbed in her company) who avoided (like the plague) the drama of a BF or even a FWB. Her reason for patronizing upscale male escorts was that she could arrange it with one phone call and have a male escort with top-model looks show up at her door within an hour. She appreciated that he was focused entirely on her erotic pleasure and on pampering her. It was like going to a spa. Also, she knew that she was very attractive and could walk into a bar and have her pick of any guy, but he would be more interested in his orgasm, than hers.
You should know this -- women do things differently than men. I don't suspect you're going to find an escort board about how big the escort's dick is or whether he's a good clit licker, etc... It's likely to be a lot more discreet and "classy" with women. (Except in the case of male strippers in SC, who probably get the same type of crude sexual advances and propositions from women that females dancers get from male customers.)
See article on this topic - http://www.alternet.org/story/146531/why_would_a_woman_pay_for_sex
yoda57us
01-18-2011, 12:35 PM
I did, however, see a report on TV about male escorts (catering to females) and they interviewed escorts and female customers. The female customers where not even as gross as you would think.
This doesn't really surprise me. Though this thread has leaned towards folks who would pay for sex out of desperation it's a false assumption that the only guys who pay for sex are ugly losers so I would not personally apply that stereotype to women either. Lots of people just want an NSA good time or want to have sex with someone other than a spouse without the drama of an affair. Some folks work crazy hours and won't date people from work so there is little opportunity to form a relationship...everyone has an itch that needs scratching once in a while!
You should know this -- women do things differently than men.
I do know it jack. In fact I deleted an entire paragraph of a post yesterday that said exactly that because I figured it was obvious and I didn't want to be insulting to anyone.
There may or may not be any male-oriented escort boards out there, I've never gone looking for them. That being said, I've been on TER for ten years and the topic of male escorts really only comes up in the context of gay men or Transsexuals. That's where the majority of that market is.
I'm not saying that there are not women who pay for sex. I am saying that there are not that many compared to men who pay for sex. Of course, when you think about the amount of unhappy folks in the world it may be a trend that could continue to grow. Who knows!
lemiwinks31
01-18-2011, 01:25 PM
^ I agree... You said, "The even the ugliest girl at the bar is not going home alone if she doesn't want to." The implication is that she would never pay for sex, because somebody (i.e., some disgusting drunk bastard) will be horny and drunk enough to fuck her.
But, that assumes she's content to fuck any filthy slobbering drunk idiot, and has no standards whatsoever.
Its an entirely possible, that if given a chance and assuming she's got some disposible income, she'd rather pay a higher quality male to fuck her. Granted, we don't hear about male (straight) prostitutes as much as female prostitutes, but they are out there, and its more common than most people realize.
It also happens in marriages (i.e., normal or good-looking guy marries an ugly fat girl because she's an heiress to family wealth.)
Ugliest girl in the bar is still better looking than my hand......
Casual Observer
01-18-2011, 02:21 PM
^ No, I'll take my hand, thanks. Whether they're P4P or "free" (as if there is such a thing), life is too damn short to fuck ugly women.
I couldn't fuck a mongloid.
Damn...I knew I never had a chance with Vy... ;)
Kisca
01-18-2011, 02:55 PM
Im glad to see some men can say no to ANY pussy.
jack0177057
01-18-2011, 03:36 PM
Ugliest girl in the bar is still better looking than my hand......
Really?
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Some women make my hand look very appealing.
Rookie2010
01-18-2011, 04:52 PM
LOL
:ill:
fast tan77
01-18-2011, 05:58 PM
Any of those girls could work in WV clubs.
livingdeadgirl
01-18-2011, 07:42 PM
Really?
25752 25753 25754 25755
Some women make my hand look very appealing.
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I think you're mixing my post up with teaze's... I didn't mention the guy's age. He was probably early 30's, btw...firemaiden I'm sorry. I sometimes skim over posts and miss details.
FBR
Kellydancer
01-19-2011, 12:46 AM
Really?
25752 25753 25754 25755
Some women make my hand look very appealing.
How did you get photos of me and my friends? ;D. As bad as those look, I've seen uglier at a few clubs I worked at.
jack0177057
01-19-2011, 09:08 AM
^ Uglier?... I don't know how they make money, but God bless them.
Kellydancer
01-19-2011, 02:33 PM
I always wondered that but had a theory they were hookers. I wish I had a photo of some girls I danced with because they were horrific. The reason I danced at this club was that they paid to bring in prettier women and I could bank.
firemaiden04
01-19-2011, 10:26 PM
^ Uglier?... I don't know how they make money, but God bless them.
:rotfl: :rotfl:
I don't know why, but that seriously made me crack up for like a minute.
AudrinaN
01-19-2011, 11:21 PM
HELL yeah I'd do a week away for that amount!
I escort now for $400/hr. If I could make 10k in one night....WTF! I'd be in his lap the moment he asked! (and put the cash on the table)
Ya'll are crazy lol But everybody has their own limits.
And I dont have age reqs.... the old guys gross me out but they are quick and easy, and have the best conversation.
Almost Jaded
01-20-2011, 12:07 AM
My ex, a very attractive 24 years old at the time, escorted as a "clean" escort for about a year, and had me act as her driver/bodyguard. She was, of course, frequently offered money to do the things she didn't do, and sometimes quite a bit of money, but she always said no.
There was one job that really weirded me out. She came out all flustered and kind of wide eyed and giggly. I asked her what was up. Turns out the customer had been a very well mannered and extremely attractive 25 year old guy who had tipped her $300 for the dancing and conversation. He suffered from terrible social anxiety and agoraphobia, and this dude - good looking, intelligent, respectful, and rich - was essentially housebound by his phobias and never got out to meet girls, and paid escorts. When she told him she did not perform sex acts for money, he was very cool about it and as I said, tipped her for time and dances.
Before she left, he said - very shyly according to her - "I realize you don't do those things for money, but I really like you a lot and i don't want you to leave. Would you consider spending the night if I made it worth your time to spend it with me?"
And laid $25,000 on the table.
And she apologized, and said he was really sweet, but she wasn't a prostitute, and left. And came to the car and said to me - "If I'd met this guy at a bar I'd have fucked his brains out for free. But I don't have sex for money, ever, and I won't cross that line." I told her she was retarded and said I'd turn the car around and take her right back there, and I'd better get my usual 10%, LMAO. She said no and of course I didn't, bu DAMN - $25k to fuck someone you'd not only sleep with normally, but would consider dating long term?! Where's the issue?! LMAO!
She was also offered by a regular - and also turned down - a paid condo in Hawaii, car with title in her name (she was to pick it out "within reason", which was later determined to be around $60k new), $10k/mo allowance, paid travel back & forth from Hawaii every 60 to 90 days to visit the mainland and family, and her BF (me at the time) could even live with her provided she was available to this guy exclusively and without BF drama when he was in town. I again told her she was crazy, she again told me to quit questioning her morals. She did think about that one for a while though, lol.
For some people it really isn't about money, period. :shrug:
I've seen MM turn down $6k in cash ITC for a night back at his hotel, and she's open about the fact that she has no issues fucking for money. She says her price varies according to the prospective client, and that it's gone up significantly in the last 2 years of being with me, lol.
As for the other side of the coin - I've never paid for sex directly, but I can see the draw and the "you always pay for it anyway" mindset clearly. Lord knows I've spent enough on strippers that I could have had an aweful lot of sex with some very attractive escorts for the same or less. But I like the atmosphere and the fun of the club, and - count my blessings - sex is not something that is ALL that hard for me to come by, though i realize that will not always been the case, lol.
And not all guys will fuck anything with a pussy and a pulse. At 35 years old and sexually active since 17, I've been with ~60 women, and I'm proud to say that there are only 2 or 3 in there that I regret, and that I regret them for reasons that have nothing to do with their looks or other such factors. I'm not God's gift to women - far from it - but I'm fairly good looking and present myself well. If I lowered my standards my count could EASILY be 10x that; but I am not the guy who's going to leave with that chick at the end of the night, and never will be. My buddy Rod is way hotter than I am, and has been with less than half as many women. What I don't get is that half of THEM didn't meet MY minimum standards, lol. He's just a weird case. :p
But I know plenty of guys - some of them very attractive in all aspects - who will fuck anything that comes by and is willing. I don't get it, but I have to say that about half the guys I know would fall into that category. :shrug:
jack0177057
01-20-2011, 09:08 AM
She said no and of course I didn't, bu DAMN - $25k to fuck someone you'd not only sleep with normally, but would consider dating long term?! Where's the issue?! LMAO!
I get it, it was a "selling your soul" issue for her.
To me, a "selling your soul" issue would be - would I kill for money?
No, I wouldn't kill a person for money, not even for $1 million,... not even if I was guaranteed to get away with it,... not even a despicable person (assuming he hadn't harmed me, personally, or my family and that my only reason for killing him was money).
On the other hand, if that same despicable person hurt me or a loved one, I might kill him for free.
Not a perfect analogy, I know,... but the point is our "soul" is worth more than all the money in the world, and if you identify selling your body as selling your soul (I don't), then no amount of money is worth it.
Redwolf
01-20-2011, 09:21 AM
So, if your ex really would have wanted to screw the guy for nothing, why didn't she just give him the money back and screw him for free?
charlie61
01-20-2011, 10:06 AM
So, if your ex really would have wanted to screw the guy for nothing, why didn't she just give him the money back and screw him for free?
Good question.
Jaded's response also made me think...there is a HUGE difference between someone just saying "Would you take 50K for a fuck?" and someone actually laying 50K down on the table and asking for sex. I don't know if I could resist the latter! Haha. It would really depend on the situation.
threlayer
01-20-2011, 12:21 PM
Any of those girls could work in WV clubs.
I guess that is funny.
This is definitely NOT like the girls I used to see in WV clubs when I traveled down there to work (and had some playtime). Most were stunners in those nude clubs. The worst I ever saw, maybe about 10%, were maybe a notch below the least attractive I see in clubs around here. And many stunners were a LOT of fun in a private dance situation.
I suppose that remark could depend on a specific club that I didn't go to.
threlayer
01-20-2011, 12:33 PM
Regardless of the prostitution laws (meaning if it were not illegal or socially unacceptable almost everywhere) and if it were a private deal, I think many of these negative answers would turn into "I'd consider it" type answers.
I know many people have their limits, but I think a lot of people set their limits there because of attitudes they have heard from other people.
Almost Jaded
01-20-2011, 03:14 PM
RedWolf, Charlie - I asked her that same question over and over. She just replied "I don't fuck for money". I asked her why she didn't return the money and go back the next night or something, and she said "wouldn't have been the same". That's all I got out of her, and we were together ~3-4 years after that happened. She would later - much later - joke that she was stupid for not doing it, but never in a really regretful way. :shrug:
Jack - I get your analogy. Where it breaks down for me is, if you're promiscuous anyway. It'd be like, if you killed a bunch of people anyway, some by accident or in war or something - here's where the analogy really breaks down, lmao - what's one more, who you really wanted dead anyway, but for money?
Dirty Ernie
01-20-2011, 04:02 PM
Jack - I get your analogy. Where it breaks down for me is, if you're promiscuous anyway. It'd be like, if you killed a bunch of people anyway, some by accident or in war or something - here's where the analogy really breaks down, lmao - what's one more, who you really wanted dead anyway, but for money?
Try plugging in Dexter.
yoda57us
01-20-2011, 05:42 PM
^ lmaowrotf...:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
lagirl
01-20-2011, 06:45 PM
If some wealthy guy approached you at your club and offered you some large amount of money (e.g., $50k) to go on a week-long vacation with him to some place fancy (with the expectation of sexual activity), would you consider it? Let's assume he's clean, disease-free, polite, normal looking, and can verify the money.
Does this kind of propositioning ever happen at clubs?
yeah people offer us 50k ALLL the time
NOT. usually they're like 200- and I'm like "is this a joke? am i that ugly? do i look like a streethooker with no teeth and a beer gut?"
Anyway I would be hesitant to go on a plane or outside the country with someone who is not my friend. Up in the air there are no laws and he can rape or kill me in his private jet. Outside the country you can get your passport taken away and be sold into slavery.
Rookie2010
01-21-2011, 04:56 AM
up in the air there are no laws
wtf?? lol
KS_Stevia
01-21-2011, 06:57 AM
I get it, it was a "selling your soul" issue for her.
To me, a "selling your soul" issue would be - would I kill for money?
No, I wouldn't kill a person for money, not even for $1 million,... not even if I was guaranteed to get away with it,... not even a despicable person (assuming he hadn't harmed me, personally, or my family and that my only reason for killing him was money).
On the other hand, if that same despicable person hurt me or a loved one, I might kill him for free.
Not a perfect analogy, I know,... but the point is our "soul" is worth more than all the money in the world, and if you identify selling your body as selling your soul (I don't), then no amount of money is worth it.
I feel the same way. Sex doesn't mean anything to me or my "soul" but murder would haunt me for like. I don't feel guilty for what I've done sexually...but I know society and culture now dictate that I'm somehow a bad human being, so I keep mum about it.
Almost Jaded
01-21-2011, 06:49 PM
There are laws in the air inside US airspace, but they are different. Once you're 3 miles up for instance, they can sell alcohol to minors, though most airlines have policies regarding these things. Once you're out of US airspace though - nothing stopping them, really. They can be held accountable wherever they land or if they return to the US, but only if someone knows the crime was committed, and things get very messy from there.
she sells sanctuary
01-22-2011, 01:59 PM
stuff like that can happen in a lot of places. you don't have to be in a private plane over international waters.
jester214
01-22-2011, 06:39 PM
There are laws in the air inside US airspace, but they are different. Once you're 3 miles up for instance, they can sell alcohol to minors, though most airlines have policies regarding these things. Once you're out of US airspace though - nothing stopping them, really. They can be held accountable wherever they land or if they return to the US, but only if someone knows the crime was committed, and things get very messy from there.
I'm pretty sure planes are bound by the laws of the outbound nation... When I went to Australia the first time they wouldn't sell me liquor on the way, but they did it on the way back.
yoda57us
01-22-2011, 06:48 PM
^ This.
The myth of any sort of jurisdictional immunity is just that. Airliners and ships at sea are bound both by the laws of their country of registry and by local law once they arrive at a destination or a port of call.
By the way, private jets count too...
I would find a dancer I really liked, then establish relationship by seeing her at the club over a few weeks and then offer her $4-6k per month. Regular income without strings is very appealing.