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tempest666
03-07-2011, 04:00 PM
Fat ugly bitches are easier for guys to control. They can't handle a real woman so they settle for some little mealy mouthed doughball doormat.

Fat ugly bitches are like saran wrap. Multipurpose uses include cooking, cleaning, putting up with their shit, gangbanging (just find a fold of fat and slide your dick right in)

Why do you think Henry VIII married Jane Seymour after he had Anne Boleyn?

Kellydancer
03-07-2011, 09:40 PM
This is why we need Tempest. Only she can put it in a way where it's funny and true. But yeah, in all seriousness men often want fat ugly bitches because they can control them.

billh
03-08-2011, 11:00 AM
this reminds me of that episode of the tyra banks show where they took those two twins who were hot and put makeup on one to make her look ugly and gave her ugly clothes and sent them to job interviews and stuff like that. the hotter one got the job every time even with a shitty resume

I would honestly rather be pretty. for one, I like being able to strip and make the money that I do.

I've had so many random emergencies pop up in the last year with my car, living situation, illnesses etc. where I've NEEDED money otherwise I'd be fucked.

if I weighed over 200 pounds and couldn't make money, I don't know where I would be right now!!!

it's not JUST the stripping though don't get me wrong. being pretty has lots of perks. there have been times where guys have given me discounts at places and helped me with things just because of the way I look.

one time there was a crack in the lens on my tail light and it kept filling with water and shorting out the light bulb. the guy at midas told me that he was supposed to charge me over 200 dollars for a new lens and then 100 for the labor. instead, he drilled holes in the bottom of the lens to drain out the water, changed the bulb for free, and charged me 5 dollars for the labor because he's "a sucker for a pretty face".

I used to live right down the street from the post office and one time I was picking up a package and a total stranger literally stopped everything he was doing to help me carry it to my house. it wasn't even really that heavy but he INSISTED to help me.

once I went out with a group of my friends (all girls) to lunch and another customer in the restaurant gave our waiter his credit card and he paid our entire check.

there's a barista at the starbucks I go to every now and then who makes my drinks for free whenever I come in.

I was at the gas station the other day and when I was walking to the door there was a guy leaving. I was literally like 30 feet away from the door and he held the door open for a good 30 seconds for me. I smiled and said thank you and he was like "yeah I know you were REALLY far away...have a nice day gorgeous"

all of my guy friends will literally do ANYTHING I ask them to. one of my friends drove for an HOUR to drop me off a pack of cigarettes at work. he lived about 20 mins away from the club but I had no idea he was in another town but he rushed right over to bring me them and even brought a pack of gum too so my breath didn't stink and I could make more money lol.

once I casually mentioned in a conversation with another guy friend that I was thinking about buying a new ipod. I swear to god a week later he gave me his since he "never used it anyway". it was a 160gb ipod classic O_O he had an iphone too, but still....I felt bad accepting it but he insisted.

it's not like I really try to take advantage of people but I find that guys are much quicker to help out or do something nice for a girl who's pretty.

yeah occasionally I get jealous girls giving me death glares because their boyfriends look at me, but for the most part I enjoy the attention I get from being attractive. it's better to embrace it than wallow in the whole "this beauty is a curse" attitude.

Perks like these are the things I am guessing many pretty ladies take for granted or just don't realize because they have never experienced not having the perks. I would guess for every negative of being pretty there are several perks which outweigh that negative.

By no means is this a knock on the pretty ladies on her, just pointing out that when someone is in a situation which is different than the majority, such as being pretty, it is human nature that the negatives come to mind more than the positives.

I think the same is felt by those in high stress/high income jobs. Many will question if the salary is worth the hours and the stress. When in this economy they lose that job and can only find a lower paying job, the perks of that old stressful job and what it afforded them come to their attention quite vividly now that they have lost them. Two people I run around with have experienced this. A few years ago they had the homes, cars, vacations that the rest of us simply could not afford. Now they are in the position of not being able to afford the luxuries we have.

threlayer
03-12-2011, 02:29 PM
Smoking eventually will dry up your skin, especially around your lips, and it will do a real number on your gums. If you want to stay pretty as long as you can, you will start weaning yourself off those cigarettes.

Look around in places like outside of Walmart where the smokers gather to puff away. Look at their faces; what do you see?

threlayer
03-12-2011, 02:31 PM
...

Why do you think Henry VIII married Jane Seymour after he had Anne Boleyn?

The Jane Seymour I've seen is a knockout; I get up with her in a minute.

tempest666
03-12-2011, 11:56 PM
The Jane Seymour I've seen is a knockout; I get up with her in a minute.

From the Tudors or Jane Seymour as in Dr. Quinn?:D

threlayer
04-08-2011, 06:32 PM
The modern one, of course.

Amy Lee
04-13-2011, 04:18 PM
I feel exotic and curvy beauty is so pretty (me)...especially when you don't need a man or someone in the industry to tell you that you are...you just know it.

Looking like a duplicate of everyone with the same color hair, fake tans and looking like a loli-pop with big fake tits isn't beautiful to me...

I love my curves and ethnicity of Cuban and Black...beautiful hair and body. That is beautiful to me and not just pretty. Women hate on me a lot but I don't throw my beauty around because I am so much more than my face and hair.

msincredible01
04-16-2011, 09:56 PM
I, personally, have experienced more advantages than disadvantages for being pretty. But I have noticed that it almost always is the older men who go out of their way to be nice not young guys. Older men, probably because their generational idea of dating and how they were brought up to treat women, are awesome- perverted at times but I'm not complaining. I once had a pilot at an airport Au Bon Pan buy all my food for me, I was pleasantly surprised...but the young guys are the assholes. These are the pricks that have a false sense of entitlement so they assume every girl they ask out will say yes or genuinely thank them for the compliment of "come here sweet ass". Then they get offended and "disrespected" when you turn them down so they call you a skank. Or call you a gold digging whore for saying "no thanks my 40 yr old bf can take me to dinner" (not true) It doesn't occur to them that many young girls are steered towards older men because they simply have better manners and more respect for women.

As far as girls my age who don't dance go, they tend to be afraid of me so they're usually super nice because I'm nice :) Nothing worse to them than a pretty, put together girl who's NICE to them! Its easy to hate a pretty bitch. The only way I can establish neutrality between girls is by giving them compliments on their looks or clothes...thats kind of sad but its the only thing that works. Needless to say I have very superficial relationships with girl "friends" who aren't dancers or gay men. So in reality I don't have many friends at all :( ...2-3 really good friends. Thats all ya need anyway

tempest666
04-18-2011, 12:12 AM
hmmmmmmmmm let's see I still like being pretty!

Jaketom
04-18-2011, 03:07 AM
Its always been my opinion that while exotic, gorgeous, knock out looks drive guys crazy
"omg you're like a drug", its always the slightly pudgy, cute pretty almost plain jane-but not knockout that gets the big diamond rings on their fingers. Just an observation. Any thoughts on this?


SO TRUE. my cousin always dated these blonde bombshell girls through high school and the girl he married fits that exact description you gave. slightly chubby with a normal looking face.


This is why we need Tempest. Only she can put it in a way where it's funny and true. But yeah, in all seriousness men often want fat ugly bitches because they can control them.


From my point of view men do this not because they want to control a women but because they feel more secure with a average plain jane. With a hot attractive women it's like you FEEL the constant need to impress her to avoid her getting swooped up by some mega rich dude or by the younger former stud you once were. And i for one would'nt mind spending a load of money on my wife if i FELT the marriage would last forever. I'm not saying attractive women isn't worth it and surely in your eyes the average plain Jain is surely entitled to these sorts of treats as well. But what i really think is that attractive women have to work a lot harder in order to make a guy feel more secure with commitment.

firemaiden04
04-18-2011, 09:07 AM
^ That actually makes a lot of sense. I never quite thought of it that way.

lemiwinks31
04-18-2011, 09:35 AM
From my point of view men do this not because they want to control a women but because they feel more secure with a average plain jane. With a hot attractive women it's like you FEEL the constant need to impress her to avoid her getting swooped up by some mega rich dude or by the younger former stud you once were. And i for one would'nt mind spending a load of money on my wife if i FELT the marriage would last forever. I'm not saying attractive women isn't worth it and surely in your eyes the average plain Jain is surely entitled to these sorts of treats as well. But what i really think is that attractive women have to work a lot harder in order to make a guy feel more secure with commitment.


I think you are talking about insecure men here........or maybe high school age boys.....
one of the 2.

It doesnt matter how hot she is......if she is with you...she is with you. There is a reason she is with you in the first place(long enough to have an exclusive relationship). If you are constantly thinking someone might "take her away from you." That says more about you. It says A)You dont think you are good enough for her...and/or B)She really is looking for someone better......and you are still willing to date her....

Either way, you are the problem.

It constantly amazes me on here how much people over value looks in terms of looking for a relationship. If you are looking for one night...fine, thats all you need. Physical appearance basically matters from the time you first see them, to the time you have a conversation with them.....once that starts, you both better have more whole lot more to offer.

In my experience, i would approach anyone I was at least a little attracted to.....then once we started talking they would get a whole lot more(or a whole lot less) attractive to me.

lemiwinks31
04-18-2011, 09:39 AM
But what i really think is that attractive women have to work a lot harder in order to make a guy feel more secure with commitment.


No woman should have to 'work' at all to make a guy feel more secure.....A guys insecurity isnt the womans job to fix.

Maybe they should just date secure guys.

firemaiden04
04-18-2011, 03:38 PM
^ In my personal experience, almost ALL men I know have insecurities that affected their relationships. I think it's a common misconception that women are the ones who are always insecure.

tempest666
04-18-2011, 06:26 PM
Fat ugly bitches can't cook better pasta than me or suck better dick :D

Mr Hyde
04-18-2011, 09:37 PM
I'll jump in to this discussion....

There are a lot of generalizations about men in this thread...."men like ugly bitches because they can control them....men like plain janes because they are insecure...etc"

Some of that might be true, but that's not the case with most men. You see a lot of men with less-attractive women for many reasons, but one is, really pretty women are a rarity, and that beauty doesn't last.

I went to my 10 year HS reunion and remembered thinking two things..."wow, some of these girls really blosssomed...and some really faded." The numbers of each were roughly equal.

I went to my 20 year reunion, and remembered thinking "wow...a lot of these women have really gone downhill."

Not looking forward to my 30 year reunion, in that regard.

So, a lot of the women you see with men were probably decent-looking at one point...then got a man, and started going south in the looks department.

You can find men with attractive women, but as you get older, it's fewer and fewer...because women lose their looks, GENERALLY...not all...

Hell, my own friends from college...I look at a lot of them now and think...."man, what happened to him...or her..." They haven't all completely done downhill, but...enough have that it's noticeable, and I'm talking about people that, at one time, were good looking.

I

Kellydancer
04-18-2011, 10:01 PM
Losing looks really depends. My mom is 64 and is still a stunner. When she was 20 she was a Barbie doll look alike (no kidding) and she still gets hit on a lot. I think one reason some women lose their looks is because they lose their interest in maintaining them. I have a few friends who married slobs so they became slobs themselves. I've also seen (this has been my experience and it can vary) that the blonde women I attended school with tended to look older than my darker classmates. I think melatonin has something to do with aging, at least in my experience. Could also be because of sunning. I've also noticed that my childless classmates also look better than the mothers.

I think it's sad that some men think that it's better to date a plain jane because of insecurity. I think part of it is our society where we meet people often and affairs are common. However, I've known ugly women who cheated too.

While we shouldn't judge based on looks, it goes both ways. I've dated attractive and unattractive men and both were jerks and nice. If I am going to meet a jerk, I'd rather it be a hot guy than an ugly man. I will admit I have judged on looks and yes it was wrong, but to me some things are no go for me, like obese men. Incidentally, the one time I dated an obese man he was a jerk.

tempest666
04-18-2011, 10:03 PM
How the hell he managed to knock her up again is beyond my comprehension? Finding her twat through all those fat rolls must have been like looking for a needle in a haystack!

lestat1
04-18-2011, 11:07 PM
Look, i understand being pretty carries a lot of issues associated with it, I'm sure rich people don't like paying a lot of taxes either and guys with huge dicks hate that they can never get a decent blow job. It still beats the alternative though doesn't it? you can't complain about something when you are obviously better off for having it than you would be without it, it's that simple.

Very well said, but I do disagree with the last part. Everyone should feel free to vent about what's troubling them. Rich people should be able to vent about their high taxes, big-penised men should be able to vent about having big penises, and beautiful women should be able to vent about the troubles of being a beautiful woman. I'm smart, and sometimes I vent about that; ignorance truly is bliss.

I do feel that people should put some thought about the context of their venting. For example, a rich person should not vent about being rich while standing in a homeless shelter. A beautiful woman should probably not vent about being beautiful at a Weight Watcher's meeting. Not because they don't have the right, but because of sensitivity to the troubles of our fellow human beings. Venting about being a beautiful woman on a forum dedicated to, and predominantly populated by, beautiful women? Appropriate.

Jaketom
04-19-2011, 04:53 AM
No woman should have to 'work' at all to make a guy feel more secure.....A guys insecurity isnt the womans job to fix.

Maybe they should just date secure guys.


I think you are talking about insecure men here........or maybe high school age boys.....
one of the 2.

It doesnt matter how hot she is......if she is with you...she is with you. There is a reason she is with you in the first place(long enough to have an exclusive relationship). If you are constantly thinking someone might "take her away from you." That says more about you. It says A)You dont think you are good enough for her...and/or B)She really is looking for someone better......and you are still willing to date her....

Either way, you are the problem.

It constantly amazes me on here how much people over value looks in terms of looking for a relationship. If you are looking for one night...fine, thats all you need. Physical appearance basically matters from the time you first see them, to the time you have a conversation with them.....once that starts, you both better have more whole lot more to offer.

In my experience, i would approach anyone I was at least a little attracted to.....then once we started talking they would get a whole lot more(or a whole lot less) attractive to me.

It does'nt matter whos job it is to fix, a relationship is a two way street if i found out my girlfriend was insecure about something i'd try everything to make her feel better. You can't expect a guy to perfect in everyway you'd need some sort of a cyborg man then maybe. I agree with you on SOME LEVEL about a guy's insecurities isn't a woman's job to fix because that's there own personal problem, but from what i've heard from people who have had long successful marriages it's that they both have made themselves better people by continuing to be SUPPORTIVE to one another.

Djoser
04-19-2011, 06:24 PM
^ In my personal experience, almost ALL men I know have insecurities that affected their relationships. I think it's a common misconception that women are the ones who are always insecure.

In my experience, almost all human beings have insecurities of some kind or another that affect their relationships. I have never noticed women in general being any more secure than men. Far from it--it's quite evenly divided. They sometimes display insecurity in different ways, to be sure.

Some people of both sexes are more secure and don't need the constant reassurance/ego stroking to stay that way.


I will never, ever forget my mom trying to find her way driving through downtown Boston--no easy feat for even an aggressive, confident, assertive woman such as she was. Who drove like a bat out of hell most of the time, and never, ever asked a man to do anything whatsoever for her.

She kept getting stuck in one particularly nasty traffic circle and finally just pulled over to the side and sat there. This big burly truck driver from Jersey noticed her sitting there and pulled his truck over to see what was wrong. She then proceeded to get hysterical, something I had never ever seen her do in 13 years (I was 13 at the time). She was also a very good-looking woman, a runway and magazine fashion model for a while.

This guy proceeded to park his truck directly across the traffic circle, blocking all traffic and causing untold mayhem to erupt. Then jumped out of his truck and waved her on in the right direction.

I was totally shocked for a while and stared at her with my jaw hanging. She said 'What? That back there?? Sometimes you play it up a bit to get what you need.'

;D

Slin
04-19-2011, 09:01 PM
In Descarte's Passions of the Soul (I think that's the title) he mentions that the deformed are usually resentful and quite unpleasant to other people because of their conditions. I think it's an interesting spin on the idea that attractive people are assholes that think their shit don't stink and unattractive people must automatically have a heart of gold.

ZePeanut
04-19-2011, 11:09 PM
I would never claim to be prettier than anyone else, because I have the opinion that -every- person on this planet has some attribute that could make them beautiful. Of course, it is all about maintaining that/those attributes. Maintenence isn't something that is affected by age, either--I suppose I could stick with saying it just comes down to taking care of oneself--inside and out.

On that note, I feel like I am heavily critisized for taking care of myself, especially by other women. Aside from my friends at work, women have never liked me, ever. New girls that come into the club always assume that I am some horrible bitch, and men? Well, I've always been that girl who they want to sleep with, but they don't want to *be* with.

dreamer1980
04-21-2011, 01:44 AM
Fat ugly bitches can't cook better pasta than me or suck better dick :D

you may cook the meanest pasta, but i've heard many times that fat girls give the best head ever :shrug:

lemiwinks31
04-21-2011, 09:31 AM
you may cook the meanest pasta, but i've heard many times that fat girls give the best head ever :shrug:

Its because they are hungry.

Djoser
04-21-2011, 02:24 PM
you may cook the meanest pasta, but i've heard many times that fat girls give the best head ever :shrug:

Who cares?

I've heard that women with no teeth give the best BJs (Gum Jobs?), and I've also heard that gay men are better at sucking dick (just like the lesbians want women to think they are better than a man could ever be).

Again, who fucking cares? I have no interest in finding out, not when there are so many attractive women to date who are very good at oral sex.

tempest666
04-21-2011, 02:40 PM
Who cares?

I've heard that women with no teeth give the best BJs (Gum Jobs?), and I've also heard that gay men are better at sucking dick (just like the lesbians want women to think they are better than a man could ever be).

Again, who fucking cares? I have no interest in finding out, not when there are so many attractive women to date who are very good at oral sex.


since I can't thank you for some reason! THANKS:D

Djoser
04-21-2011, 08:54 PM
since I can't thank you for some reason! THANKS:D

Oh that's alright. The 'thanks' button is by far the most overrated and abused feature on this site. But thanks for trying!



Of course, it is all about maintaining that/those attributes. Maintenence isn't something that is affected by age, either--I suppose I could stick with saying it just comes down to taking care of oneself--inside and out.

Absolutely.


On that note, I feel like I am heavily critisized for taking care of myself, especially by other women. Aside from my friends at work, women have never liked me, ever. New girls that come into the club always assume that I am some horrible bitch, and men? Well, I've always been that girl who they want to sleep with, but they don't want to *be* with.

You may not want to claim you are prettier than anyone else, but what you are describing sounds like a classic case of a whole lot of women thinking you are prettier than they are. :D

SupaByoch
04-23-2011, 04:41 PM
From my point of view men do this not because they want to control a women but because they feel more secure with a average plain jane. With a hot attractive women it's like you FEEL the constant need to impress her to avoid her getting swooped up by some mega rich dude or by the younger former stud you once were. And i for one would'nt mind spending a load of money on my wife if i FELT the marriage would last forever. I'm not saying attractive women isn't worth it and surely in your eyes the average plain Jain is surely entitled to these sorts of treats as well. But what i really think is that attractive women have to work a lot harder in order to make a guy feel more secure with commitment.
I definitely find this to be true. It is really difficult to find a man who is secure enough with himself to handle a relationship with a hot chic. I can't tell you how many guys have told me "you're stunning and can have any man you want, why would you want me" ... even when I've told them in no uncertain terms that I want them. Of course they all want to fuck/date me but finding someone willing to get even a little bit serious is damn near impossible.

Yes there are perks and advantages to being attractive. But there are problems too, and it's irritating to have people constantly minimize or discount the problems because they think the grass is greener on that side. I'll never say I'd rather be ugly, because I never have been so I cannot honestly say which I'd prefer. This is a key point I think nearly everyone misses - if you haven't experienced both sides you can't say which is better. Studies and experiments only give a limited view, never a full picture.

I like being attractive and I work at staying that way because I like the benefits, but it is most definitely not without pitfalls. What about aging? Do we not think it's probably harder for pretty people to accept the physical aging process? I have to say it isn't going to be easy for me. I am very secure and confident with myself, but I like being hot and I know at some point things are going to change...

To say we prefer the problems of being hot over those of being ugly just illustrates our own shallowness; it doesn't prove one is truly better than the other.

EVERY life circumstance has its pros and cons - trying to claim your own problems are any bigger or worse than those of other people, no matter the situation, is rather narrow-minded at best. After reading this thread again I have to say a whole lot of people could do with a bit more understanding and compassion for other human beings, period.

Djoser
04-24-2011, 01:39 AM
...if you haven't experienced both sides you can't say which is better.

I have. Being attractive to the opposite sex is six or eight thousand times better. However...


I like being attractive...but it is most definitely not without pitfalls.

This is also true. One thing I learned from being the junior high pariah--true happiness comes from within, not from the approval of a pack of breeding partners.


After reading this thread again I have to say a whole lot of people could do with a bit more understanding and compassion for other human beings, period.

I agree. Myself included. The problem I have is that I tend to be a lot more honest about my opinions here than I would be at a party or whatever. But it's probably better to just change the subject or maybe open another bottle of wine.

kellyallstar
04-24-2011, 04:08 PM
No, but have you ever had someone walk right up to you and attempt to hit you as hard as they fucking could because their s.o. was looking at you? Have you had the car you drive keyed end to end because someone simply didn't like you? Have you and your friends ever had a knockdown drag out fight because you refused to respond to someone's personal taunts and slurs? Have you been called a stuck up bitch, bitch or hoe on a daily basis just because you turned a guy down at a corner store? Have you ever had a bday party and had someone intentionally try to waste drinks/hot wings all over you because you are wearing white? Have you ever had a 50 plus yr old lady send her son and daughter in a store to fight you because she stared at you and when you looked at her, looked and never said a word, she called you a ugly dirty bitch for no reason at all? Well, its all happened to me.

See its not all about the pretty. Its about the ugly that jealousy brings about in others.I started this thread because everyone thinks people who are pretty live the easy life, but I wanted others to share their experiences because I knew I wasn't the only one. A lot of my friends had your same attitude til they were out with me and something happened.

Ive had experiences like that, had a women call me a slut and when i just kept walking away started screaming it, in front of her 2 kids and at the time I was a virgin and was wearing jeans and a t shirt. Then when we at a house gathering she had her kids try to pull my hair while i was playing cards. She wanted to smash me and told people I was hitting on her man. Um I dont think I even talked to him.
I could go on, but UH it makes me feel so old. I dont understand it. And the kick in the arse is Im just regular lookin.

Lesson learned i NEVER wanted to end up like any of those jealous girls, Jealousy is a disease. And now if Im called a slut, coz god forbid I actually smiled at someone, I just laugh.

lestat1
04-24-2011, 04:53 PM
This is also true. One thing I learned from being the junior high pariah--true happiness comes from within, not from the approval of a pack of breeding partners.

What was your process or solution for finding happiness from within?

ArmySGT.
04-24-2011, 05:05 PM
What was your process or solution for finding happiness from within?

I don't know about Djoser ........... Mine is I don't care about opinions other than my Parents and the person that writes my paycheck.

lestat1
04-24-2011, 05:14 PM
you may cook the meanest pasta, but i've heard many times that fat girls give the best head ever :shrug:

In my limited experience, they have provided the worst oral sex.

Djoser
04-25-2011, 03:28 PM
What was your process or solution for finding happiness from within?

I don't think I was ever exactly 'happy', it was such a shitty time and place. But what I did was get into my reading, drawing and painting, and plan for the future. I was into Egyptology, history in general, and art. I put everything I had into these pursuits and just tried to get through the days at school, etc. Probably didn't hurt my getting a great scholarship.

I may not have been 'happy', until I got the hell out of there anyway, but I emerged more confident than ever.

tempest666
04-25-2011, 03:40 PM
What was your process or solution for finding happiness from within?


A big cock and mindblowing orgasm:D

camille27
05-05-2011, 09:14 PM
i think you articulated this wonderfully.
i can understand this problem. i do not understand not being able to make friends because you're "too pretty". that seems like something inside of one's own head. EVERY woman you attempt to befriend is jealous of you? nah, son.


this may or not be related...
but i seem to run across this problem with camming.
while i myself have pretty low self esteem i can acknowledge that my face is highly symmetrically and considered attractive. i am not stick thin nor do i have large breasts but i have a very very small waist compared to large hips
the face seems to cause a problem. while girls who are tiny toned and tanned with average or plain faces bank easily because they are easier to think of as highly sexual i am resigned to going through the same pattern over and over again .guys fall in love with me. they dont want to just fuck me. they want to woo me. meet me. love me. give themselves emotionally to me. this is obviously a problem when all im trying to do is make money and not start a relationship. so being highly facially attractive seems to work against me sometimes or so it would seem. i often wish i had a plain face and a gorgeous body...

Arialandre
05-06-2011, 08:31 AM
Must go back and read this whole thread...

sananeko
05-06-2011, 08:59 AM
Must go back and read this whole thread...
Don't.. You'll lose brain cells..

Arialandre
05-06-2011, 08:54 PM
Yeaaaah I learned that by page 3!