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jack0177057
02-14-2011, 07:34 PM
Getting anal by way of a female with a strap on is not necessarily a homosexual or gender confusing act by either party. It's one of several ways to stimulate a particular erogenous zone.
Cross dressing and various role playing activities during said act would/could define whether or not either partner had homosexual or bisexual tendencies - but even then, it's a confusing line and frankly nobody's business but the person/people involved.
So Jack - if I dress as a woman and role play as a female to arouse a female companion who is bisexual and thinks it's hot to fuck a man dressed as a woman - am I bi or gay? Or am I very open minded straight guy playing out a fantasy for a female partner?
If I like being fucked in the ass with a strap on worn by a woman - but my only thoughts are of women and I would never consider a man fucking me in the ass with ANYTHING let alone his penis, is that gay or bi? Or one again - is it a straight guy enjoying one of many ways his body can be a source of pleasure?
Now - regarding "straight" men being so open minded as to enjoy homosexual acts but still claiming they're straight... I have a harder time swallowing (pun intended) that one, lol.
I'm straight, and I know this because not only am I not aroused by anything to do with the male body in any way, I'm actually kinda repulsed by men, lol. I think we're kinda funny looking and ugly. To the point that I have a difficult time in orgy or group sex situations when other men are involved, 'cuz seeing another dude nude is just a huge turn off for me.
Conversely, I have no issues with either of the scenarios above, or anything like them.
So my definition of straight - is straight. Nothing there.
Being open-minded enough to have a sexual experience with another man means being able to maintain a level of sexuality with that man - and you'd have to have a LITTLE bit of bi-ness in there SOMEWHERE to pull that off - truly straight guys wouldn't be able to keep it up, lol.
^ First of all, I do not consider the gay or bisexual label to be an insult, so if I use it broadly - it is not with the intent to be offensive. It is like seeing a quiet person in the corner who is not talking to anybody, and calling him/her a "shy" person - it is not intended as an insult, just an observation. But, that person may get very offended at being called "shy" - however, I was not trying to pick a fight with him/her by calling him/her shy.
A finger or a sex toy inserted in the anus, while the girl is giving you head - I can understand that.
But, frankly, I have a difficult time thinking that if a strap-on fake penis is pushing hard/ramming into your ass the same way a dick would - that this would not have the effect of making you crave (or at least, not mind) the real thing. If not, why not? Suppose you meet a guy who has a penis that is better in shape/size than your strap-on. If you have a casual NSA sex opportunity with him - why not enjoy the real thing? Chances are, you will enjoy it. If you like fake cock, it would seem to follow that a real cock would be just as pleasureable. (Only fear of the "gay" or "bi" label would deter you from trying the real thing.)
Your hypo about the girl that loves to feminize you, and you graciously play along... What about this - suppose one day she introduces you to Tom, and says she's fantasized about making two guys fuck each other, since she was 15. It's been her fantasy forever and you will make her the happiest (and horniest) girl alive, if you perform this little service for her. If you let Tom fuck you in the ass, while she watches. According to your logic, as long as you just do it for her satisfaction, and not yours - its not gay to let this dude fuck you in the ass.
I don't know -- We each are each entitled to our own opinion and to drawing our own boundaries. I will concede that I am not the final arbiter of what is "straight", "gay" or "bi" -- but, I don't think anyone else here is the final arbiter, either.
charlottenh
02-14-2011, 07:46 PM
But, frankly, I have a difficult time thinking that if a strap-on fake penis is pushing hard/ramming into your ass the same way a dick would - that this would not have the effect of making you crave (or at least, not mind) the real thing. If not, why not? Suppose you meet a guy who has a penis that is better in shape/size than your strap-on. If you have a casual NSA sex opportunity with him - why not enjoy the real thing? Chances are, you will enjoy it. If you like fake cock, it would seem to follow that a real cock would be just as pleasureable. (Only fear of the "gay" or "bi" label would deter you from trying the real thing.)
...because men and women and an attraction or willingness to sleep with one or the other is based on much more than genitals?
nicole84
02-14-2011, 08:29 PM
I have done it, multiple times! I love it :)
yoda57us
02-14-2011, 09:18 PM
But, frankly, I have a difficult time thinking that if a strap-on fake penis is pushing hard/ramming into your ass the same way a dick would - that this would not have the effect of making you crave (or at least, not mind) the real thing. If not, why not? Suppose you meet a guy who has a penis that is better in shape/size than your strap-on. If you have a casual NSA sex opportunity with him - why not enjoy the real thing? Chances are, you will enjoy it. If you like fake cock, it would seem to follow that a real cock would be just as pleasureable. (Only fear of the "gay" or "bi" label would deter you from trying the real thing.)
What you keep forgetting, or rather, refusing to recognize, is that it's not about a rubber penis vs. a real one. It's about people jack, not genitals. If we follow your logic then you are asking us to also believe that two women using a strap-on with each other couldn't actually be lesbians, they are heterosexuals in denial.
If, as you said earlier, all we are talking about are opinions here, it would appear that the only validation for your theory is in your head. I guess it stands to reason that maybe you might be just as happy having a guys cock up your ass as you would a rubber dildo but that doesn't mean that other men would...
jack0177057
02-15-2011, 09:32 AM
What you keep forgetting, or rather, refusing to recognize, is that it's not about a rubber penis vs. a real one. It's about people jack, not genitals. If we follow your logic then you are asking us to also believe that two women using a strap-on with each other couldn't actually be lesbians, they are heterosexuals in denial.
If a lesbian can get off on a strap-on, she can probably get off on a real dick, so she's probably bisexual. But, on the other hand, women usually need more emotional connection than men for sex, so maybe she can only get off with women for that reason. Men on the other hand need no emotional connection for orgasm. A guy can fuck a sock if it feels good.
If, as you said earlier, all we are talking about are opinions here, it would appear that the only validation for your theory is in your head. I guess it stands to reason that maybe you might be just as happy having a guys cock up your ass as you would a rubber dildo but that doesn't mean that other men would...
Absolutely,... if I loved a rubber dick up my ass (not just a finger or a toy, but a strap-on that meticulously resembles a real penis and sticks out of a female, converting her into a male impersonator), I would stop sliding by on technicalities (and bullshiting myself) and just enjoy the real thing. There is no shame in that (unless you're a homophobe), and it would be easier to find willing male partners than willing female partners (e.g., picking up a girl at a bar and asking her to butt-fuck you with a strap-on; most girls would say WTF? - then direct you to the nearest gay bar).
nicole84
02-15-2011, 09:46 AM
If a lesbian can get off on a strap-on, she can probably get off on a real dick, so she's probably bisexual..
:banghead:
charlottenh
02-15-2011, 10:06 AM
If a lesbian can get off on a strap-on, she can probably get off on a real dick, so she's probably bisexual.
...wut.
princessjas
02-15-2011, 10:12 AM
Jack, following your reasoning, the ability to climax from jacking off would mean you are gay, because you enjoy a male hand stroking your cock. ::)
sananeko
02-15-2011, 10:13 AM
Ladies and gents.. Let it go.. Everyone has their personal logic and trying to prove your the only one right is only mute and a waste of time.. Look at it this way are you guys going to mate with jack? No? Then it shouldn't matter what he says cause its his logic and not yours. Now if he becomes king and tries to make that logic one and only I have a logical bullet to fix that. But for now let it go.. Its why everyone will not breed with every person in front of you, this is a normal deal breaker for sexual contact.. Not a waste of data on the internet.
charlottenh
02-15-2011, 10:20 AM
Ladies and gents.. Let it go.. Everyone has their personal logic and trying to prove your the only one right is only mute and a waste of time.. Look at it this way are you guys going to mate with jack? No? Then it shouldn't matter what he says cause its his logic and not yours. Now if he becomes king and tries to make that logic one and only I have a logical bullet to fix that. But for now let it go.. Its why everyone will not breed with every person in front of you, this is a normal deal breaker for sexual contact.. Not a waste of data on the internet.
It isn't logical, and this sort of misinformation is damaging to folks in the LGBT community, so it isn't harmless. It's this sort of thing to a more extreme extent that is used to invalidate people's sexualities, and gets people sexually assaulted because "they just need a good fuck". It's happened to a few lesbian friends of mine and it's disgusting. Now I would never state that Jack is that type of person, and he certainly seems very harmless with his intent, but it's still an issue to a much lesser degree.
sananeko
02-15-2011, 10:23 AM
It isn't logical, and this sort of misinformation is damaging to folks in the LGBT community, so it isn't harmless.
So you wish to force others to make yourself safer but others in harm?
charlottenh
02-15-2011, 10:29 AM
So you wish to force others to make yourself safer but others in harm?
Huh? Who am I harming by correcting misinformation? Sometimes people are flat out wrong, and are applying terms incorrectly or misunderstanding the very definition of what they are saying. That isn't logic. Some things are fact based.
Logic (from ancient Greek λόγος (logos), meaning reason) is the study of arguments. Its primary task is to set up criteria for distinguishing good from bad arguments. Arguments express inferences—the processes whereby new assertions are produced from already established ones.
The definitions of bisexual, homosexual, and heterosexual are clearly defined. The problem lies not in Jack's point of view, but that he misunderstands what bisexual actually means.
sananeko
02-15-2011, 10:46 AM
Huh? Who am I harming by correcting misinformation? Sometimes people are flat out wrong, and are using terms or misunderstanding the very definition of what they are saying. That isn't logic. Some things are fact based.
You forget your in a world that is 30% facts and 70% words. And for harm, you trying to correct those who choose their "logic" they are not the ones that get harm, its the one believe you are right in the first place.. And this is from experience.. But for another point in my other post was your trying to correct on the internet. With time it will be corrected but like with all nature you push and everything takes five steps back causing more time to correct.. If a rumor is incorrect will show up incorrect if not flared, people will think there is something behind it if you make a large fuss over it.
charlottenh
02-15-2011, 11:01 AM
You forget your in a world that is 30% facts and 70% words. And for harm, you trying to correct those who choose their "logic" they are not the ones that get harm, its the one believe you are right in the first place.. And this is from experience.. But for another point in my other post was your trying to correct on the internet. With time it will be corrected but like with all nature you push and everything takes five steps back causing more time to correct.. If a rumor is incorrect will show up incorrect if not flared, people will think there is something behind it if you make a large fuss over it.
I don't think I've made a large fuss over anything in relation to the statements being made. Readily dictating another person's sexuality, whether it be hypothetical or not, is harmful. I've been a part of the LGBT community for a very long time. I'm very active in providing information to LGB and especially trans youth. I've also been producing videos on my transition and transition and sexuality in general for a number of years (I have about 200 on the web at the moment.) I've also been a key speaker at a few large events tailored specifically to provide awareness about LGBT people.
Never have I come across a situation where allowing misinformation to be perpetuated resulted in something positive. Also even words have factual meanings :)
charlie61
02-15-2011, 11:02 AM
This is ridiculous.
Tell ya' what. All 3 girls are at work right now, I'm alone and bored in the house reading this thread.
So just for Jack and anyone else still participating in this thread, I'm going to go upstairs, grab a nice big cock shaped dildo, and sit in the tub masturbating furiously to thoughts of what I'm going to do with 3 young and very gorgeous and very female strippers when they get home tonight - all with 8 or 9 thick inches of homophobic insecurity planted firmly up my ass. ;)
This post gave me girlie wood.
Next step: create a world that is so secure in itself that guys who do this don't have to be fucking three hot strippers to put a post like this out there.
But I understand the importance of baby steps.
jack0177057
02-15-2011, 01:30 PM
^ Seriously, I don't get it - even when I try to be the most liberal and open-minded person I can possible be,... I end of offending liberals... My point is simple, if a guy enjoys a female human-being with a fake 8 inch penis sticking out of her crotch and fucking him up the ass, -- there is a VERY LIKELY PROBABILITY that he will likewise enjoy a male human-being with a real 8 inch penis fucking him up the ass - that just seems so damn logical to me. Men do not need emotional attachment or romantic interest to enjoy casual NSA sex, its all about getting off.
Like I said before, if I loved taking an 8-in strap-on up my ass, I would have no qualms taking the next step and practicing bi-sexuality. There are many practical benefits to this: (1) you can have sex any time you want with as many partners as you want, because if you cannot find a willing horny woman, you can always find a willing horny man, (2) you don't have to spend money on a girl you just met (food and alcohol, etc.), hoping to get laid, (3) you can get a guy to buy you drinks, and (4) you don't have to deal with awkward female drama (i.e., Do I have to call her the next day? Will she hate me if I never call her? Do I have to stay for an hour after sex or can I just leave ASAP? Etc.)
Now, this is the most liberal, open-minded and GLBT-friendly thing I can say, but for some reason, it really disturbs some of the "liberal", "open-minded" and/or GLBT people on here.
Almost Jaded
02-15-2011, 03:33 PM
Your logic Jack, implies that if a guy fucks a woman in the ass, he's gay or bi. If a guy likes anal penetration, he's gay or bi. You logic leaves out the fact that these acts can be enjoyed by heteros too, without any implications about a closet. QED, this has implications for people who ARE gay and bi.
Because you are associating a physical act as an indicator of someones sexuality, and basing a position on the fact of that act alone. To grossly oversimplify, this will offend people in the GLBT community because it invalidates their position that their relationships and attractions are as real as heteros.
I get what you're saying, I really, really do. The problem is, you're FLAT OUT WRONG. I posted what I posted (and followed through Charlie, justsoya'know ;) ) along with some more TMI about my own sexuality to make that point. I am not the slightest bit homo or bi curious. Believe me, if I was, I'd look into it! I'm not shy about testing waters in the bedroom, and I'm not homophobic. I'm just really, truly, and completely straight. And I'm comfortable and secure enough in my sexuality as a straight man to enjoy the many ways I can please and be pleased, including getting fucked in the ass by a woman with a strap on, lol. I would NOT enjoy it if it were a man with a real dick; I wouldn't be aroused! Ever tried anal when not aroused? NOT PLEASANT. Ask any woman who's ever tried to let a guy do it but she wasn't into it.
Charlie - teeheehee - I would've posted it long before I was ever in a Poly relationship. Emphasizing the fact that I have 3 hot young female sexual partners was merely a wonderfully convenient way to drive home the point, lol. And - it gave you girlie wood? Is this a small step for you too? :P
yoda57us
02-15-2011, 04:17 PM
if I loved a rubber dick up my ass (not just a finger or a toy, but a strap-on that meticulously resembles a real penis and sticks out of a female, converting her into a male impersonator), I would stop sliding by on technicalities (and bullshiting myself) and just enjoy the real thing. There is no shame in that (unless you're a homophobe), and it would be easier to find willing male partners than willing female partners (e.g., picking up a girl at a bar and asking her to butt-fuck you with a strap-on; most girls would say WTF? - then direct you to the nearest gay bar).
Don't ever change jack...I haven't laughed this hard in weeks!
KS_Stevia
02-15-2011, 08:32 PM
Jack, I thought we discussed women and orgasm. Having a dildo in a woman, by a lesbian partner, doesn't make her in any way straight or bi if she doesn't feel that way.
Jack, my friend, they are just holes and objects, its everything else that matters when we are defining our sexuality.
jack0177057
02-15-2011, 08:59 PM
I get what you're saying, I really, really do. The problem is, you're FLAT OUT WRONG.
Maybe I am... Who decides what these labels mean anyway?... Is it by a vote/show of hands?... Clearly, at least in this forum, I am in the minority position. -- So, I'll be a good sport about it.
Don't ever change jack...I haven't laughed this hard in weeks!
I'm here to entertain and be entertained.
Jack, I thought we discussed women and orgasm. Having a dildo in a woman, by a lesbian partner, makes her in any way straight or bi if she doesn't feel that way.
Jack, my friend, they are just holes and objects, its everything else that matters when we are defining our sexuality.
I'll concede... BTW, when are you going to teach me how to make a girl squirt? I've been saving up for lessons.
charlie61
02-15-2011, 11:51 PM
I'll concede... BTW, when are you going to teach me how to make a girl squirt? I've been saving up for lessons.
The word 'squirt' should be outlawed. :ill:
Dirty Ernie
02-16-2011, 12:20 AM
Careful where you tread Jack.
In our generation, ejaculation is an attribute associated with men.
Your strong desire to sexually manipulate another person until they release a bodily fluid makes me question your orientation.
:P
KS_Stevia
02-16-2011, 07:21 AM
I'll concede... BTW, when are you going to teach me how to make a girl squirt? I've been saving up for lessons.
Its one of those things that is just so different w every woman. and many woman can't do it. I personally dislike the initial stimulation against my bladder, so I avoid it. But the idea is so properly access and stimulate the bit of erectile tissue that run anterior along the bladder. Depending on female's build, this might be really hard to get to, as you really must get under that pubic bone. Strong fingers are a must. Every man but one has gotten finger cramps trying to do it. No way can a penis do the job...unless both people are just perfectly curved for each other...anatomically it just doesn't tend to work.
also, most women who can, don't "squirt" anything out. That's just porn, and porn squirt is mostly pee shot out fast .
But I do know one man who was the master at it. I always told him he should write a book, he's make loads of money. But he didn't want to share his secrets, since there were "very few like us"...his words.
princessjas
02-16-2011, 08:14 AM
Its one of those things that is just so different w every woman. and many woman can't do it. I personally dislike the initial stimulation against my bladder, so I avoid it. But the idea is so properly access and stimulate the bit of erectile tissue that run anterior along the bladder. Depending on female's build, this might be really hard to get to, as you really must get under that pubic bone. Strong fingers are a must. Every man but one has gotten finger cramps trying to do it. No way can a penis do the job...unless both people are just perfectly curved for each other...anatomically it just doesn't tend to work.
also, most women who can, don't "squirt" anything out. That's just porn, and porn squirt is mostly pee shot out fast .
But I do know one man who was the master at it. I always told him he should write a book, he's make loads of money. But he didn't want to share his secrets, since there were "very few like us"...his words.
This is all true. I thought squirting was a myth until it happened to me. Still, it's not exactly a common thing. Happens pretty rarely and when it does, it's nothing like in porn. They piss out like a gallon really quickly, while this is maybe a bit thicker, more viscous and there is much, much less. The first few times it happened, I thought I'd pee'd myself at first (the feel isn't entirely unlike peeing, but different too), then while doing the sheets realized that it wasn't pee.
jack0177057
02-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Careful where you tread Jack.
In our generation, ejaculation is an attribute associated with men.
Your strong desire to sexually manipulate another person until they release a bodily fluid makes me question your orientation.
:P
LOL... Feel free to question my orientation... If wanting a girl to squirt makes me not "straight" - so be it!
Its one of those things that is just so different w every woman. and many woman can't do it. I personally dislike the initial stimulation against my bladder, so I avoid it. But the idea is so properly access and stimulate the bit of erectile tissue that run anterior along the bladder. Depending on female's build, this might be really hard to get to, as you really must get under that pubic bone. Strong fingers are a must. Every man but one has gotten finger cramps trying to do it. No way can a penis do the job...unless both people are just perfectly curved for each other...anatomically it just doesn't tend to work.
also, most women who can, don't "squirt" anything out. That's just porn, and porn squirt is mostly pee shot out fast .
But I do know one man who was the master at it. I always told him he should write a book, he's make loads of money. But he didn't want to share his secrets, since there were "very few like us"...his words.
I did buy a book. There are many books with 200+ pages on this subject. I haven't read through all of mine yet,... maybe I'll just buy the video. I'm able to give my GF a lot of pleasure by probing around for her g-spot, but no "squirting" or orgasm yet, though I can easily get her to orgasm with clit stimulation. Its supposed to be around 2 inches from the vaginal opening (11, 12, or 1 o'clock position if she's lying on her back) - how hard should I press or apply pressure? - Is it soft or rough poking in there?
unbeleavable
02-16-2011, 10:30 AM
Sometimes perception is greater than fact in some peoples mind & that is the argument. The act isn't technically gay but the perception is.
princessjas
02-16-2011, 10:48 AM
LOL... Feel free to question my orientation... If wanting a girl to squirt makes me not "straight" - so be it!
I did buy a book. There are many books with 200+ pages on this subject. I haven't read through all of mine yet,... maybe I'll just buy the video. I'm able to give my GF a lot of pleasure by probing around for her g-spot, but no "squirting" or orgasm yet, though I can easily get her to orgasm with clit stimulation.
End Threadjack.
Do you keep her on the edge for a while? The only way it happens for me is if I'm teased forever or occasionally if I've had multiples. Also, my experience was different from KS_Stevia's. I squirted easiest from straight missionary sex with my ex fiance, so maybe try an extra large toy? (It literally has to be a bit painful ime.) It always took about 30 min-1 hr or so too, so stamina is necessary!
lemiwinks31
02-16-2011, 10:57 AM
.. The act isn't technically gay but the perception is.
the perception? by who? certainly not by the majority of people on here.
Say someone is on tripping on LSD and they go to the zebra cage at the zoo......he is looking at the zebras but what he actually perceives is that they are unicorns and they are coming after him to anally penetrate him with their horns.
I guess you could also say "the perception is that there are ass-raping unicorns at the zoo"
yes......one guy has that perception, but the reality is ......they are just zebras
unbeleavable
02-16-2011, 11:37 AM
the perception? by who? certainly not by the majority of people on here.
Say someone is on tripping on LSD and they go to the zebra cage at the zoo......he is looking at the zebras but what he actually perceives is that they are unicorns and they are coming after him to anally penetrate him with their horns.
I guess you could also say "the perception is that there are ass-raping unicorns at the zoo"
yes......one guy has that perception, but the reality is ......they are just zebras
& your right about the perception here but the mainstream may perceive different & that's all I'm saying. Your analogy of someone on drugs has nothing to do with the perception of the majority.
KS_Stevia
02-16-2011, 11:53 AM
I did buy a book. There are many books with 200+ pages on this subject. I haven't read through all of mine yet,... maybe I'll just buy the video. I'm able to give my GF a lot of pleasure by probing around for her g-spot, but no "squirting" or orgasm yet, though I can easily get her to orgasm with clit stimulation. Its supposed to be around 2 inches from the vaginal opening (11, 12, or 1 o'clock position if she's lying on her back) - how hard should I press or apply pressure? - Is it soft or rough poking in there?
Why is it so important to you to make her squirt? are you chasing the elusive beast that is vaginal orgasm? Do you think making her sqwuirt will somehow invoke her to have an orgasm like yours during vaginal sex? In my experience, whenever most men want to bring certain kinds of things to women, its to serve as a reflection of his own stamina and virility.
Whether its 11 12 or 6 o'clock, that has to do w her body formation and how you are positioned, angle-wise. For me, its straight and very angled, you have to bend your finger in half, using fast, repeated pressure. also, push down on her pubic mound w your other hand while you do it, to get even closer to that ridge. You may have to push so hard you feel your finger on the other side. Its really hard work for the giver, and few toys work well enough. That's what worked for me, and the feeling is really unpleasant for the first minute or so. I just don't care for it and it makes a mess.
Women's clitoral orgasms are the exact evolutionary and biological equiv of the male's penis orgsm. If she isn't trying to make you come by stimulating all sorts of odd spots, then why put that pressure on her?
lemiwinks31
02-16-2011, 01:31 PM
& your right about the perception here but the mainstream may perceive different & that's all I'm saying. Your analogy of someone on drugs has nothing to do with the perception of the majority.
that was my point.......that the majority of thinking people would perceive sexual activities between a man and a woman as heterosexual(i dont think that is just here)...because that is the exact definition of it. And that Jack's point of view that it is the OPPOSITE of the definition, would be in the minority...ie the people who think zebras are ass-raping unicorns:)
unbeleavable
02-16-2011, 02:15 PM
^^REALLY....you think that the majority of people think that a woman fucking a man in the ass is perceived as hetero sex? If that was the case we wouldn't be having this discussion & the OP would have MANY women waiting in line to fuck him in the ass & not need to go to a fetish club to find it. I am not saying that this is a gay act....just saying most women I know would.
lemiwinks31
02-16-2011, 02:56 PM
^^REALLY....you think that the majority of people think that a woman fucking a man in the ass is perceived as hetero sex?
sure. after all, sexual acts between a man and a woman are by definition hetero.......so i would say that anyone who can understand the definition, would think so.... Now, granted, I would guess that the vast majority of women(and men) wouldnt want to have anything to do with it.....me, you, jack and a lot of women on here included, but that wasnt Jacks point.
If that was the case we wouldn't be having this discussion & the OP would have MANY women waiting in line to fuck him in the ass & not need to go to a fetish club to find it. I am not saying that this is a gay act....just saying most women I know would.
so.....how many women have you talked to about this?:)
jack0177057
02-16-2011, 03:24 PM
Do you keep her on the edge for a while? The only way it happens for me is if I'm teased forever or occasionally if I've had multiples. Also, my experience was different from KS_Stevia's. I squirted easiest from straight missionary sex with my ex fiance, so maybe try an extra large toy? (It literally has to be a bit painful ime.) It always took about 30 min-1 hr or so too, so stamina is necessary!
Thanks for the advice. No, she doesn't like teasing - she gets impatient. I'll have to tie her up to tease her for that long.
Why is it so important to you to make her squirt?
I've read its supposed to be a better orgasm than clitoral orgasm, so I want this for her. Anything that makes her happy in bed and wanting sex more often (like every day) is good for both of us.
Whether its 11 12 or 6 o'clock, that has to do w her body formation and how you are positioned, angle-wise. For me, its straight and very angled, you have to bend your finger in half, using fast, repeated pressure. also, push down on her pubic mound w your other hand while you do it, to get even closer to that ridge. You may have to push so hard you feel your finger on the other side.
Thanks for the advice. I'll try that.
Women's clitoral orgasms are the exact evolutionary and biological equiv of the male's penis orgsm. If she isn't trying to make you come by stimulating all sorts of odd spots, then why put that pressure on her?
No pressure on her,... the book mentions this, too - I don't tell her what I'm doing, so she doesn't feel any pressure at all. Obviously, she knows I'm playing with her kitty and she's enjoying it, but she thinks its only foreplay. If she told me it was unpleasant for her, I wouldn't pursue it.
unbeleavable
02-16-2011, 03:27 PM
I think we all agree about the "Definition" of gay sex & there is a "Perception" of a gay act.
Lemi.. I stated in this thread earlier that I'm not attracted to a woman that would even want to fuck me in the ass. If I ever had a partner that was so bored with our sex life that she wanted to do that I would find another playmate.
Dirty Ernie
02-16-2011, 03:36 PM
Anything that makes her happy in bed and wanting sex more often (like every day) is good for both of us.
Assuming you are sincere about the above, here's the $64 question Jackie Boy:
If you are successful at you present endeavor and then she tells you the only thing that could possibly bring her more pleasure than you tickling her bladder would be for her to peg you like a pair of new levis, whatcha gonna do?
jack0177057
02-16-2011, 04:03 PM
^ She would never ask for that. We're both very traditional and old-fashioned, though we accept and respect other people's choice to lead alternative lifestyles. Also, while I consider myself above-average-looking, I have a hairy ass, so I don't think that would ever be appealing for her.
But, suppose she did ask,... then, I'd say - first I want to see you with another woman, because lesbian sex really turns me on... and that would be the end of that conversation.
But, suppose she was game for that, and let me bring home any girl I want for casual NSA threesomes and girl-on-girl sex (but, not to live, because I can't handle more drama),,... I guess I'd have to live with a sore ass for a while. (But, I'd find the smallest tiniest strap-on, like 2 inches long and thin like a pencil.)
Almost Jaded
02-16-2011, 06:42 PM
You should know that tiny doesn't mean more comfortable, there's a threshold you HAVE to pass where is REALLY uncomfortable for a second. Once you get past that (literally), it's a pretty pleasant sensation once you get the angle right. 2 is just gonna lock you into the uncomfy spot, you need at least 4 or 5 to get to where it feels good. You'll also have a hard time maintaining a firm erection the first time, as you're not used to resistance when "squeezing" those muscles. Just so you know, lol.
I used to think like Jack and Unbeleavable. In fact, I would balk at the idea of anal with a woman, 'cuzthere's no difference between a woman and a man there and there's a perfectly goo hole designed for a penis an inch away, lol. Then the ex wife and I started playing around and she asked if I'd do anal to her cuz she was curious why some girls liked it so much, and we both enjoyed it, and it became an occasional addition to our repertoire. A while later she asked if she could put a small toy in there on me while giving me head. It was awkward at first, but then next time we got kinky, I asked her to try it again 'cuz it seemed to be going somewhere. After that, I learned how to enjoy it. It's by no means an everyday thing, but every once in a while it's a fun and pleasurable enhancement to oral sex or masturbation, occasionally other play as well (i.e., strap on fucking).
If yo flat refuse to go there, that's your choice - but don't go questioning other people's orientation or security or whatever because they lack your hangups and/or insecurities. In short - don't knock it until you've tried it. ;)
The only time MM ever squirted involved vaginal intercourse with a highly textured sleeve & it took us both off guard. Attempts to do this with fingers has resulted in different results from different partners, no "squirting" yet. I know what I'm looking for, but few women enjoy the first bit as KS has said, and get impatient and just want me to give them head 'cuz that ALWAYS works, lol - and without the weird initial sensations. :shrug:
xohellenxo
02-16-2011, 06:53 PM
i'm very sub in the bedroom so no probaly no
when & if i ever dance if somebody asked me to do it nope not in the club -_-
princessjas
02-16-2011, 08:02 PM
The only time MM ever squirted involved vaginal intercourse with a highly textured sleeve & it took us both off guard. Attempts to do this with fingers has resulted in different results from different partners, no "squirting" yet. I know what I'm looking for, but few women enjoy the first bit as KS has said, and get impatient and just want me to give them head 'cuz that ALWAYS works, lol - and without the weird initial sensations. :shrug:
The sleeve makes sense, one of my ex'es that made me squirt was about 11-13 inches and very thick, the other used his fingers or just pure stamina, he was a Dom with a frightening knowledge of the female body for a 21 yr old. I can also do it myself, but then I'm 35.....might as well be an 18 yr old boy with this libido. ;D
Also, I had to have it happen 10-20 times or so before I got to the point where I associated that initial, about to pee feeling with pleasure. After that happened, I enjoyed that feeling because I knew what was coming (a la Pavlov). It gets much easier imo once you hit about 28-30 and your sex drive starts ramping up in prep for those mid-late 30's. ;)
jack0177057
02-16-2011, 08:04 PM
If yo flat refuse to go there, that's your choice - but don't go questioning other people's orientation or security or whatever because they lack your hangups and/or insecurities. In short - don't knock it until you've tried it. ;)
I didn't "knock it"... I never expressed one word of condemnation or disapproval. All I said was.... nevermind...
I'll tell you what I would question - any woman who found my hairy ass appealing. Why a woman would want to do this, I can't comprehend,... because a hairy guy's ass is not something a nice little girl should be lusting after... (Jack unwittingly provokes an angry mob of women with a fetish for ugly hairy male asses and sparks a brand new controversy.:-[)
The only time MM ever squirted involved vaginal intercourse with a highly textured sleeve & it took us both off guard.
What is a textured sleeve? Where do you get that? Are g-spot orgasms worth all the effort? Based on the reports I'm reading here, it sounds like its not.
princessjas
02-16-2011, 08:26 PM
I didn't "knock it"... I never expressed one word of condemnation or disapproval. All I said was.... nevermind...
I'll tell you what I would question - any woman who found my hairy ass appealing. Why a woman would want to do this, I can't comprehend,... because a hairy guy's ass is not something a nice little girl should be lusting after... (Jack unwittingly provokes an angry mob of women with a fetish for ugly hairy male asses and sparks a brand new controversy.:-[)
What is a textured sleeve? Where do you get that? Are g-spot orgasms worth all the effort? Based on the reports I'm reading here, it sounds like its not.
I'm going to repeat this one last time jack....People, both male and female, like this because it is a very dominant act that puts the female in charge while stimulating the prostate. Now this fact will blow your mind, but even a lot of Doms, ocassionally like to "top from the bottom," so to speak. If you can't see why it is different with different sex partners, I can't help you there. This is not something I'd ever want to do, but love to rim a guy (and MOST guys seem to love this).
Can I ask you this? Do you enjoy kissing your girlfriend or another hot girl? What if you kissed a guy that kissed exactly like your gf/other hot girl? Would this be as enjoyable or turn you on to the same extent? Of course not. Personally, I love anal with a guy I care about, but don't care for it with my gf.....does that make me weird? No it makes me unique...... like every other person on the planet. :P
charlie61
02-16-2011, 08:33 PM
I like threads like these, because we all learn more about these subjects by analyzing them. Even shallow questions lead to new answers that we may have never really thought of before. I know saying that makes me sound like a preschool teacher, but it's true.
Yay for all of the smart responses people are giving.
Almost Jaded
02-16-2011, 08:56 PM
Go to any adult toy store. There are literally dozens upon dozens of things you can put on or over your cock to change things up. Sleeves are one of these, and are just what they sound like - a condom-like silicon or other material sleeve. Some are quite thick and long to increase size while mimicking a natural penis in shape and texture; others have textures to enhance female sensation that range from mild to why the fuck would anyone want THAT inside them, lol. Using one is almost entirely for "her" benefit, as they drastically reduce - almost eliminate - most sensation for the male wearing them. Think condom, but several millimeters to a 1/4 inch or more thick.
princessjas
02-16-2011, 09:13 PM
Go to any adult toy store. There are literally dozens upon dozens of things you can put on or over your cock to change things up. Sleeves are one of these, and are just what they sound like - a condom-like silicon or other material sleeve. Some are quite thick and long to increase size while mimicking a natural penis in shape and texture; others have textures to enhance female sensation that range from mild to why the fuck would anyone want THAT inside them, lol. Using one is almost entirely for "her" benefit, as they drastically reduce - almost eliminate - most sensation for the male wearing them. Think condom, but several millimeters to a 1/4 inch or more thick.
Bet it doesn't take much cock sucking or fucking to get you off after seeing your gf cum like that though. ;)
Almost Jaded
02-16-2011, 09:32 PM
Meh - that's a completely different issue, lol.
jack0177057
02-17-2011, 01:10 PM
I'm going to repeat this one last time jack....People, both male and female, like this because it is a very dominant act that puts the female in charge while stimulating the prostate. Now this fact will blow your mind, but even a lot of Doms, ocassionally like to "top from the bottom," so to speak.
Okay, I get the dominant thing,... but, the visual component..... not pretty.
Can I ask you this? Do you enjoy kissing your girlfriend or another hot girl? What if you kissed a guy that kissed exactly like your gf/other hot girl? Would this be as enjoyable or turn you on to the same extent? Of course not.
A kiss, all by itself, does very little for me, in terms of pleasure. It only serves to: (a) express my emotions for my GF, or (b) intensify some other activity that I'm engaged in, like romantic embrace, groping, having sex, etc. So, even if a guy was a better kisser than my GF (whatever that means), it would not appeal to me because neither (a) nor (b) apply.
Next question - What if a guy gave a BJ exactly like your GF? Would this be as enjoyable or turn you on to the same extent?
I love BJs, but BJs are just foreplay for me. I usually don't orgasm from BJ. I need penis-vagina sex to orgasm. Also, I am a very visual person, so I need the visual stimulation of a beautiful and sexy woman to enjoy any kind of sexual experience.
However, in the case of a guy taking it in the ass doggie-style, his visual is going to be the wall, so, the person behind him could be anybody.
... See now, you're getting me started on this debate again, I already raised the white flag. I hold the minority viewpoint on this forum and I accept that... I know when to stop debating an issue.
canIstrip
02-18-2011, 08:37 AM
ok so i would prob let a girl do it to me but i am far from gay just saying haha