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Jessie_tinydancer
02-09-2011, 07:32 PM
If worked with a bigger girl who did well, but honestly fat scares and grosses me out. I know everyone has different tastes but I really dont want to have to look at fat girls on stage. I dont think I would consider 145lbs fat though either... just more thick.
missplayful
02-09-2011, 11:03 PM
You certainly have a condescending and presumptuous attitude about fat strippers! What makes you think that your experience with them is universal? I sure as hell wasn't only making $100 a night when you would deem me too fat to strip. I made good money period, and not just good money "for a fat stripper"! I had my first $1000 night when I was at my fattest, and my money was consistently as high as it was before my weight gain (although I attribute much of this to the sales skills I was forced to learn).
Being fat is certainly a disadvantage because it limits your customer base, but let's face it, as the population gets fatter it's more and more normal for men--especially the fatties!--to find a bigger girl with a pretty face/nice smile/strong backhand/whatever really hot. I had a lot of customers who paid great money for me to beat them up and those who saw me as a more attainable girl to fantasize about. In my experience, plenty of "hot" girls love to hypothesize that fat dancers must be broke, possibly because they don't want to consider the horrible possibility that such undesirables could be competing with them, or that fat dancers only get dances through "force" or promise/performance of extras.
Haters gonna hate!
hahah lol Why am i gonna hate this is realty babe lol:D i am not jelious.I would be envious if she could make more than i do. U claim u do make 1000$ every nite.But this is different case.
I know my club and my area its NOrth carolina and not a upscale club also guys dont like fat girls here. If they would they could say sometin good about her. Pretty much everyday i have to watch that same drama , customers make fun of her or they say she is so scary or gross. i KNOW she doesnt make money also i never seen her on the couch room while dancin lately. I only see her dancin maybe for paydays for military because club is packed. Possible she makes 100 ish $ i would not take my clothes of for that money honestly.I am doin this because i need money i would not do for less. i work at topless titty bar and 400-500 average is really good for regular days. Payday week we alll bank.She is good person she hustles hard but still she doesnt get dances. I am sorry but bein fat is not an advantage u sound like actually u hate people who thinks fat people look gross. They look gross and this is a job based with look. Of course those people wont make too much money as much as other girls do.
Yeah some guys fantasize fat girls,big stomach, body odor, or pregnant girl, feet....etc.. sOME GUYS dig anythin but it doesnt mean all population dig all those things.Some poeple like fat people thats rare its doesnt mean everyone like fat girls.
"Being fat is certainly a disadvantage because it limits your customer base, but let's face it, as the population gets fatter it's more and more normal for men--especially the fatties!--to find a bigger girl with a pretty face/nice smile/strong backhand/whatever really hot. I had a lot of customers who paid great money for me to beat them up and those who saw me as a more attainable girl to fantasize about. "
or fat girls walk away and customers start about convo beetwen each other how she looks manly or she could beat their ass , how scary she is blah blah...This is the common scenerio . Maybe couple guys would say sometin like u mention it but hell no ! i would not like to be fat because only couple customers would fantasize about me beatin them up/... no no thx i look good and i appeal more customers thats all matters! The exception proves the rule.
By the way weight manangement is not that hard. Especially for a dancer. I drop 21 pounds. i WAS 156 when i started it was 4 months ago right now i am 135 .Still losin weight even i dont do sometin speacial. I just dance. If a girl is dancer and still 200 pounds i am sorry but this is her fault. she should not cry for this. It is not that hard to eat healty. Everything has a price being healty is not easy thing u cant eat every junk food and still be healty and normal size.
BringOnTheMen
02-10-2011, 12:06 AM
The OP was just asking our for opinions...so shouldn't people be able to post their opinions without being attacked? She is obviously nowhere near medically healthy (~28 in waist), so I feel like criticism of her weight is certainly not invalid.
IMO, that black shirt/dress is extremely flattering on her, ie it's covering up a lot...and as a healthy woman with curves I hate for someone that big to also be called curvy. Does anyone else here watch Modern Family? I think Gloria is the pinnacle of the curvy woman (Sofia Vergara- SofiaVergara.com) whereas the woman in the pic the op posted is fat.
OP: Congrats on the weight loss!! I've never gone down that much but I know how great losing 10 lbs is, so I can only imagine how proud you are! Keep at it!
missplayful
02-10-2011, 12:21 AM
i agree! ditto!
lol1337a
02-10-2011, 03:53 AM
Sorry to get so far off topic, but hopefully one more post won't be so obnoxious.
If I were the manager of a high end club, I wouldn't hire overweight girls because the reality of the situation is that that sort of clientele tends to be most interested in the quintessential fantasy girl . And I'm definitely not arguing with the fact that girl in the OP is overweight, or saying that the girl you're describing is any good at her job or makes you jealous. What I'm taking issue with here is that a bunch of people seem to view themselves as ultimate arbiters of who should strip based solely upon narrow mainstream perceptions of attractiveness, when in reality, the true arbiters are customers who are are paying the girl in question. If a girl can bring in revenue to the club, make money, and perform a valuable service to certain customers, I don't see why she shouldn't dance, even if some people say nasty things about her. Do the customers who say bad things actually leave the club because of her presence? If not, who cares. Like I said, haters gonna hate.
And for the record, I didn't say that I made $1000/night, just that I "joined the club" when I was at my heaviest. I wish I did! $300-500 was the norm on weekends when I was fat. I haaaated being the fat stripper though. It's difficult to keep your head high, and honestly, I started drinking a lot at work and felt miserable. I gained weight because of a normal side effect of the medication I was taking at the time, but since I've been off it I've dropped 35 lbs, and my job (and life!) is so much easier.
princessjas
02-10-2011, 09:59 AM
^^Girls like that shouldn't strip because, while they might appeal to one or two custies here and there, the vast majority are going to be disgusted by them. Those guys spread the word that your club hires fatties and BAM, a lot of guys start avoiding that club. Therefore everyone who does stay in shape takes a big hit in income.
So no, I don't think, under any circumstances, a girl even as big as the blonde posted (though she is attractive) should strip. The reality is anyone over about a size 4-6 with today's vanity sizing is going to run off a significant number of customers, and the ones that still come in are going to think of the club as less high-end and therefore won't want to spend as much.
C0RINNE
02-10-2011, 01:06 PM
So no, I don't think, under any circumstances, a girl even as big as the blonde posted (though she is attractive) should strip. The reality is anyone over about a size 4-6 with today's vanity sizing is going to run off a significant number of customers, and the ones that still come in are going to think of the club as less high-end and therefore won't want to spend as much.
I am far above a size 4-6... I'm pushing 6' though and do have a bigger frame and it wouldn't be healthy for me to drop down below a size 9. I agree that obese women shouldn't typically be hired, but part of the beauty of the strip club is that there can be so much variety. I can honestly say, that at my size I've never felt as though I'm scaring away customers.
BuffyLovR
02-10-2011, 01:46 PM
I'm 5'4 and weigh 93 lbs. I'm obviously very slender and small-boned, but it's just my metabolism. I would actually feel more comfortable working with more average weight girls than overweight girls...because when you put me next to one, I'm usually the one who ends up looking unhealthy and gross, not the overweight one. Or at least in my opinion. As sadly as it sounds, I think girls being underweight is more noticeable than overweight now days, since being thicker is more the norm...while "skinny" has turned into a more rare term that is usually pegged on celebrities and models.
Instead of debating whether SCs should hire fat girls or not, I think it's more important to see it as whether they should hire unhealthy girls or not. One person mentioned, (and this is for the most part, not considering illnesses or medication) if you are eating healthy and exercising often, there should be no reason why someone's fat should be extremely disproportionate with their body frame. Even if you have big bones or larger muscles, there's no reason why you can't still have a flat stomach with no rolls.
Kellydancer
02-10-2011, 02:31 PM
I am far above a size 4-6... I'm pushing 6' though and do have a bigger frame and it wouldn't be healthy for me to drop down below a size 9. I agree that obese women shouldn't typically be hired, but part of the beauty of the strip club is that there can be so much variety. I can honestly say, that at my size I've never felt as though I'm scaring away customers.
Years ago I dropped to a size 4 and I looked awful. I look best at a size 8 because I do have a large frame. I don't know how you feel, but I really hate when people say a size 8 is fat. It's not even chubby. Size 4-6 really only works with a small part of the population. If I was petite, say under 5'4 then I could pull off a size 4-6 possibly.
firemaiden04
02-10-2011, 03:24 PM
What your dress size is doesn't really matter all that much. I've seen girls who wear a 0 with very noticeable and extremely unattractive guts, and I've seen girls wearing an 8 who are completely toned...just bigger.
Weight is the same. You can't go by what the scale says...when I was at my prime, I was a 0-2 and weighed about 123, compared to when I started dancing, when I weighed 105 and was a 6. Muscle is more dense than fat, so you'll gain weight even as you slim down.
As I said before, what matters to me is how you carry yourself, your hygiene (which, as far as I'm concerned, includes eating healthy and having physical activities), and whether you follow the rules. I can find you way too heavy for my personal tastes, but as long as you aren't compensating for your weight by giving extras or causing drama or getting a whole Big-Is-Beautiful diva complex, I've got no problem with you. It obviously goes without saying that being OBESE is not acceptable, but we're not really talking about obesity.
Odette
02-10-2011, 05:09 PM
I apologize for the novel-long post in advance.
^^Girls like that shouldn't strip because, while they might appeal to one or two custies here and there, the vast majority are going to be disgusted by them. Those guys spread the word that your club hires fatties and BAM, a lot of guys start avoiding that club. Therefore everyone who does stay in shape takes a big hit in income.
So no, I don't think, under any circumstances, a girl even as big as the blonde posted (though she is attractive) should strip. The reality is anyone over about a size 4-6 with today's vanity sizing is going to run off a significant number of customers, and the ones that still come in are going to think of the club as less high-end and therefore won't want to spend as much.
I think disgusted is a pretty strong word...the thing is that girl, though she is maybe "too big/out of shape" to strip, if you saw her on the street you wouldn't think she was abnormally large. I'm pretty good at size guessing and she looks about a size 14, maybe a size 16, somewhere between 5'6" and 5'8" (without heels), and probably measurements of about 43-35-44. She's plus sized, yes, and overweight, and maybe she shouldn't dance because she’s out of shape, but she's not so large that its "disgusting".
On another note, the deemed "standard" or "ideal" or "average" female figure is said to have measurements of: 36" bust, 27" waist, and 37" hips, with a height of 5'4" and a medium frame, this is the equivalent to a US size 6 or a UK size 10 and the measurements/height guidelines for female fit models. To say that anyone over a size 6 shouldn't dance is kind of extreme considering that factors like height, muscle mass,frame, and body fat distribution aren't taken into account...these things vary with each individual and determine your shape. Everyone also has personal bias, maybe you've never been over a size 6 your whole life, I haven't been a size 6 since I was 11, but hey, that's what puberty does to you sometimes . Should girls that are UNDER a size 4 NOT be allowed to dance? Just like how people say “well, if you’re big you must eat shit/never excersise”, you could say “well if you’re tiny, you must never eat, or have an eating disorder”. We all know that’s wrong, that there are tons of girls that are very small and eat crazy amounts of food, or a lot of junk and never go to the gym, which is fine, they are blessed with society’s ideal of a tiny frame, or a fast metabolism, or both! There are also girls that work very hard to be small, which is fine too. But then there are girls that are born with a body type that lends itself to being overweight.
Let’s do a social experiment: I’ll go on the amphetamine diet for 2 weeks, eat no more than 1500 calories a day, low carb, and do jump rope for forty minutes 5x a week: really, I should lose a lot of weight right? Let’s see if I’m a size 6 by the end of the month…better yet, the end of next month, for more realistic purposes. I’m actually curious, even when I was sent to a nutritionist by my skating coach and put on an insane diet along with skating 20 hours a week I was never smaller than a size 8, 160 pounds…I’m 5’7”. I want to know if I can force myself into this dancer body stereotype of “nothing over a size 6”. I’m a 10 now, and 170, because I obviously don’t still skate 20 hours a week, drink on weekends, etc, my diet is pretty similar though. I’ll hazard a guess that I need to lose 25 pounds to be a size 6, its usually 10-15 pounds a size right? I’d love to be a size 6, I’ve been trying to be a size 6 since FOREVER, it’s not happening, I want to know if I do everything humanly possible if it will happen. Let’s see…
DesuvsDeath
02-10-2011, 05:24 PM
^^^You can have a large frame/wide hips and be a size 8... but LOOK like a four/six...
I think that's more the standard that's being implied.
BringOnTheMen
02-10-2011, 05:38 PM
^^^Exactly. I have a tiny frame and at my largest I was a size 8...but LOOKED super plus size. I'm always in awe when some of my friends with rock hard bodies fit perfectly into my "fat" pants.
Odette- I think a lot of the previous posters would have been more charitable if the girl had carried her weight a bit better. Most of the posters had a problem with her large stomach. I personally doubt that it's 35", as you estimated, it looks to be at least 40", which is pretty significant.
princessjas
02-10-2011, 06:10 PM
She's plus sized, yes, and overweight, and maybe she shouldn't dance because she’s out of shape, but she's not so large that its "disgusting".
You say potato, I say potato. I've been sitting with guys before when women much smaller than her went on stage and I've heard the comments.....and disgusted described their reaction perfectly. I've also seen girls smaller than her hit the stage and the tip rail clears and sometimes even the club. I don't think this means the majority of men like that look.
Also, there is nothing wrong with it if you are built bigger. Some people just are and can't help that. Doesn't mean they belong in a SC fucking up my money though. I wear glasses so guess what? I could never be a fighter pilot. Don't hear me bitching and whining about it though do you?
I guesstimate about 2% of the young, female population today would belong in a SC. Unfortunately about 50% of them are deemed good enough to collect house fees from. I don't blame the decline of the industry on internet porn (because porn can't give a lap dance). I blame it on men not wanting to go due to the sharp decline in dancer appearance.
When planning my ex hubbies besties bachelor party, they decided not to even go to a club for exactly this reason and instead stayed home playing cards. All of them seemed to think why go in when my wife/gf is a lot better looking than most of the dancers? I was shocked, but after all, it's hard to sell a fantasy if you don't look like a fantasy yourself.
OJenni!
02-10-2011, 06:33 PM
^^^Exactly. I have a tiny frame and at my largest I was a size 8...but LOOKED super plus size. I'm always in awe when some of my friends with rock hard bodies fit perfectly into my "fat" pants.
Odette- I think a lot of the previous posters would have been more charitable if the girl had carried her weight a bit better. Most of the posters had a problem with her large stomach. I personally doubt that it's 35", as you estimated, it looks to be at least 40", which is pretty significant.
Exactly. It is how she carries her weight. Unfortunately I carry weight in the same way, when I gain weight it all goes to my tummy. Some women are more fortunate then others in that they gain weight around their hips or breasts.
As for size, I do not believe that there should be a universal size for dancers. That said I do not like to see rolls, or bones sticking out, or track marked arms. Those things gross me out. Yeah sure there is a market for all these things, but it does deter the majority of men coming into the club. It does have an impact on clientele.
However I don't mind working in such clubs as the stakes are usually low and they allow me to iron out whatever imperfections I am dealing with. The house fee is like $15-$20 and there is no tip out in these type of clubs. Thus I am OK with a $200 a night, it makes work easier for me as well.
I am not the type of gal to make fun of other ladies. Infact if I see it happening I will usually say something to the person who is doing it. But there are a lot of things I see on stage that I personally could not care for, so I just don't watch. Yes that includes fat girls with huge rolls, skinny girls with bones sticking out, girls with no teeth, etc. I mind my own.
DesuvsDeath
02-10-2011, 06:49 PM
I don't blame the decline of the industry on internet porn (because porn can't give a lap dance). I blame it on men not wanting to go due to the sharp decline in dancer appearance.
I once had to switch clubs because we got a new GM with "lower standards"... he basically hired anyone who wanted a job (at a club that formerly had weight restrictions, ect) and my money dropped 75% in less than a month.
Customers who used to sit around a good portion of the night and hit the atm a few times would just come in, spend whatever they had in their wallet and get out asap! Customers who previously didn't mind waiting till I had free time to dance for them would either see that I was busy and leave... or pick another girl, spend their cash and leave.
No one wanted to stay because they didn't want ugly, obnoxious, and overweight girls climbing all over them while waiting for the more attractive dancers they normally frequented.
That manager was fired after three months... and so were most of the girls he hired. Within a couple of months... money had returned to normal and I was able to work there again. But it was seriously the WORST slump I'd ever seen in years working at that club.
I can definitely see where lowering standards could have a negative impact overall.
This isn't to say I'm opposed to reasonably larger girls working... there are definitely clubs that seem to do okay that have some pretty big girls... but perhaps it's gotten a bit out of hand...?
Jessie_tinydancer
02-10-2011, 07:52 PM
^I think its gotten out of hand with the social acceptance of fat in general. People have started calling fat girls - "healthy" girls. So what... does that mean fit or thin girls are unhealthy... please. I would prefer to work in a club full of 10s because of what you say. The customers come in flocks and they stay. The club in general has a good reputation.
I just think girls should be healthy and in shape if they are being paid to get naked. I know Jas used the word disgusting which caused some hurt feelings but I can promise you that my husband finds any sort of chubbiness "disgusting" and Im sure he is not alone. Just like some guys will find skinny stick girls disgusting. I know I was called gross and anorexic when I was actually eating very healthy and exercising. Its a tough balance to find but I think girls know if they are "fat" and what ever size you are 0 or 14 if you are "fat" then its time to make some lifestyle changes.
Kellydancer
02-10-2011, 09:27 PM
I get what some of you are saying, but like I said it really varies. While people might say that someone over a size 6 doesn't belong dancing (I disagree because size doesn't always mean much) I could say that butt ugly girls don't belong dancing either, yet I've seen nice clubs bypass someone a little heavy (and I don't even mean chubby) to hire a butt ugly girl. I was never a fat or chubby dancer, but I did get rejected from a few clubs for being too "heavy" while they hired an extremely ugly girl with what they considered the perfect figure. Btw, I am also very athletic so not even heavy. I have very thin hips and toned long legs and arms. I've noticed in general the guys wanting these bone thin dancers tended to be young white guys. These guys aren't even the wealthiest customers. My clientele tended to be older men and professional black men (other black men thought I was too skinny). These guys used to complain about all the anorexic dancers. This is my point, every look will appeal to someone else. I am a brunette and usually didn't appeal to young white guys because of this either. It's not fair to limit standards to a certain size unless you keep it across the board, and that means no uglies either.
As for hiring standards, I once worked at a club with three managers. Two of the managers had very strict hiring standards. The third guy would hire anyone who walked in the door. You could tell which dancers he hired because they were often obese and ugly. One was 300 pounds of blubber on her stomach. Needless to say these girls made most of us quit because the customers stopped coming.
While I don't feel most fat dancers should be dancing, I also know that many guys like curvy women. By curvy I mean what it's supposed to be, women like Marilyn Monroe, NOT Rosie O'Donnell. I also get upset because I dated a guy who used to tell me I was fat because I weighed around 125 pounds at 5'7 (which is actually pretty thin).
Odette
02-10-2011, 10:34 PM
Ok, yes, I was whining, I was cranky because I was trudgin through some annoying homework and wanted to vent, I appologize. Kellydancer essentially said what I was thinking in a better way. If people are going to discriminate based on weight, discriminate on ALL flaws. Having a huge ugly nose or a face full of acne or stringy hair or pinchy eyes or crooked teeth should also be included in the no-dancing allowed zone if we're going to judge (which as a community of dancers, we probably shouldn't, it will just end up making everyone unhappy). Bottom line, beauty is 1)subjective and 2)made up of many traits that together garner total attractiveness, figure being only 1 of them. Yes, figure alone can topple the scale into unfavourable territory given it's a big enough problem, (no pun intended) but it's not the only problem. Tempest (i think?)has lots rants about strippers with c section scars and no teeth, see what I mean :)
We should really develop a points system so as to better judge and compare ourselves:D
princessjas
02-11-2011, 08:38 AM
Ok, yes, I was whining, I was cranky because I was trudgin through some annoying homework and wanted to vent, I appologize. Kellydancer essentially said what I was thinking in a better way. If people are going to discriminate based on weight, discriminate on ALL flaws. Having a huge ugly nose or a face full of acne or stringy hair or pinchy eyes or crooked teeth should also be included in the no-dancing allowed zone if we're going to judge (which as a community of dancers, we probably shouldn't, it will just end up making everyone unhappy). Bottom line, beauty is 1)subjective and 2)made up of many traits that together garner total attractiveness, figure being only 1 of them. Yes, figure alone can topple the scale into unfavourable territory given it's a big enough problem, (no pun intended) but it's not the only problem. Tempest (i think?)has lots rants about strippers with c section scars and no teeth, see what I mean :)
We should really develop a points system so as to better judge and compare ourselves:D
I agree completely, no one with zits or scars should ever be dancing and I've never danced anywhere that allowed a tat over 2x2 or anything gory or otherwise offensive. Once again, those girls would have fucked up my money. I can't even imagine dancing at a place that had girls with missing teeth!!! Ughh!!! Boggles my mind. And if you have a c-section scar that isn't too bad and is covered with a fake tattoo something else that makes it invisible, fine, but if it's all out there and visible, you don't need to be on stage (and btw, I've had 3 c-sections and still feel that way).
You used to have to be stunningly attractive (in all areas, body, face, hair, etc) to even have a chance at getting hired (and if you showed up for work with messed up hair or nails or whatever they'd send your ass home, as they should)...of course back then 1500-3000 nights weren't all that rare and 700 nights in a small town were pretty average. See what I mean about plain janes fucking up other girls money?
tempest666
02-11-2011, 09:58 AM
I agree completely, no one with zits or scars should ever be dancing and I've never danced anywhere that allowed a tat over 2x2 or anything gory or otherwise offensive.
Guess I better find a new profession! :DI've got a Jack the Ripper tat, a Hannibal Lecter tat, and a tat of a skull being pierced with a dagger, plus I'm getting one done of a zombie nun masturbating.
I have seen some pretty bad ink on chicks though.
princessjas
02-11-2011, 10:26 AM
^^See I don't mind cute or pretty ink, but if a stripper comes up to me with gore tatted on her, my lust dies in about .00001 seconds and from what I've heard from custies over 10+ yrs of dancing, it doesn't exactly thrill them either.
One chick would not leave me alone at this club in NC and she had a tatt of a kid with the top of her head ripped off and her brain exposed....well my niece died that way. I stopped going to that club because of that particular dancer's tenacity and I'm sure many men have done the same thing.
ETA - I don't have problems if you want horror/gore on your body, I just don't think you belong in this profession if you do so. Maybe they could make niche clubs for that sort of thing because damn near every reg I had bitched about the pierced and tatted up dancers. Again, not hating, just never wanted them adding to the clubs rep and therefore killing my money. I LIKED making 350-700 on a Tuesday and 2-3k on weekends!! Miss that.
tempest666
02-11-2011, 10:49 AM
hmmmmmm what about cute horror/gore like a demonic hello kitty on a homicidal rampage?
tempest666
02-11-2011, 10:49 AM
or a demonic cupcake chasing a rainbow on zoloft?
princessjas
02-11-2011, 11:00 AM
^^Those would fall into my idea of "cute." Realistic looking decaptiated body, or head with half a brain exposed or person with stomach sliced open and internal organs visible.....not so cute. (and yeah, I've seen all of those IN the club, ick, one girls ink was so realistic it almost made me vomit....it was like trying to be sexy while watching an autopsy.)
tempest666
02-11-2011, 11:12 AM
@PJ don't worry I don't get butt hurt if somebody gives me their opinion on my tats. ;) I'm the one that put it out there.
I do pretty good considering all my ink. I have leaned over the years to balance it out.... ex when I was a teenygoth stripper I thought that I had to have piercings, black lipstick etc. Now I balance it out with a softer look....more retro pinuppy, piercings out, bright cheerful colors etc.
I have met many heavily tatted gals with more gore than me that do 10x better.
I dunno its all subjective to me.
tempest666
02-11-2011, 11:14 AM
^^Those would fall into my idea of "cute." Realistic looking decaptiated body, or head with half a brain exposed or person with stomach sliced open and internal organs visible.....not so cute. (and yeah, I've seen all of those IN the club, ick, one girls ink was so realistic it almost made me vomit....it was like trying to be sexy while watching an autopsy.)
too bad I didn't get that artist for my wrists....in the process of a coverup :'(
princessjas
02-11-2011, 11:16 AM
too bad I didn't get that artist for my wrists....in the process of a coverup :'(
Please tell me it's a coverup for a tattoo?? If not I have some tips on minimizing the appearance of scars if you're interested.
tempest666
02-11-2011, 11:17 AM
I will concede that heavily tatted alt girls do not belong at every club. I can't walk into Rick's, expect to get hired and be shocked or pissed off when I get rejected. It's a part of the industry and I accepted that years ago that if I was gonna be heavily tatted I was going to have to accept the limitations of my appeal and customer base.
As a result I have become more adaptable and more creative. Plus as I have said before I have always liked to work for my prey. Keeps me in top form. :D
tempest666
02-11-2011, 11:18 AM
Please tell me it's a coverup for a tattoo?? If not I have some tips on minimizing the appearance of scars if you're interested.
yeah... its a coverup for a tattoo.. I'm not too fond of that method.
princessjas
02-11-2011, 11:22 AM
@PJ don't worry I don't get butt hurt if somebody gives me their opinion on my tats. ;) I'm the one that put it out there.
I do pretty good considering all my ink. I have leaned over the years to balance it out.... ex when I was a teenygoth stripper I thought that I had to have piercings, black lipstick etc. Now I balance it out with a softer look....more retro pinuppy, piercings out, bright cheerful colors etc.
I have met many heavily tatted gals with more gore than me that do 10x better.
I dunno its all subjective to me.
Seriously?? Cute, non gory tatts + pinup look would outdo most anything I'd think. Pinup look alone would rule, cause as you know, specific "looks" work well in the business (I know cause rocked the uber glam Pam Anderson and pinup looks myself in a club of girls too dumb to get a style and freakin banked, hehe.)
Aslinn
02-11-2011, 12:23 PM
If every stripper had to be a size 6 and under my happy ass would be bouncing all the to a 9 to 5 lol. My butt is a size six or seven easy, my waist is a size three or four... no more booty clapping for the ghetto strip clubs! Lol jk but seriously most people guess my wieght at at 115 or slightly lower, I'm just like wtf?! Cuz I really weigh 130 to 140 because I go up and down so much, but then again I'm the amazon of my club at 5'9.... I'm considered the skinniest or one of them depending on if the crackheads come too work.......jesus I need to look at non dive clubs lol anywho someone posted about no tats and scars ? (I skimmed so don't be angry :)) nobody notices my tattoos. Very often, its so weird! I have stars on my boobs that nobody comments on till like three songs later...its a strip club what else are the looking at, I sometimes wonder if my labia is hanging out and nobody tells me lol jk but seriously I'm starting to wonder.
princessjas
02-11-2011, 12:39 PM
^^That was me, and when I started dancing back in the mid 90's upscale clubs had a no tatoos or piercings other than the bellybutton policy (dives normally had a nothing over 2X2 or you had to use dermablend policy). They also put us on the scale regularly and no one, regarless of height, would be hired at I'm guessing 130-140, it differed for each girl (my personal weight was 90-95lbs), and we only had a handful of dancers each shift.
Money was amazing. I miss those days.
Kellydancer
02-11-2011, 12:41 PM
I agree completely, no one with zits or scars should ever be dancing and I've never danced anywhere that allowed a tat over 2x2 or anything gory or otherwise offensive. Once again, those girls would have fucked up my money. I can't even imagine dancing at a place that had girls with missing teeth!!! Ughh!!! Boggles my mind. And if you have a c-section scar that isn't too bad and is covered with a fake tattoo something else that makes it invisible, fine, but if it's all out there and visible, you don't need to be on stage (and btw, I've had 3 c-sections and still feel that way).
You used to have to be stunningly attractive (in all areas, body, face, hair, etc) to even have a chance at getting hired (and if you showed up for work with messed up hair or nails or whatever they'd send your ass home, as they should)...of course back then 1500-3000 nights weren't all that rare and 700 nights in a small town were pretty average. See what I mean about plain janes fucking up other girls money?
I keep seeing comments like "fatties fuck up my money". I don't get this because unless they are doing extras I don't see them as fucking up anyone's money. In fact the one advantage I've had about working at clubs with fat and ugly girls was that it helped me make more money. However, this changes when a club goes from hiring attractive dancers to uglies. I worked at a club like this that had somewhat strict hiring standards then started hiring anyone who walked in the door. Because of this attractive women quit and they hired uglier girls who did resort to extras. By then I had left this club myself because of it.
Many people brought up tats and here's my opinion. I personally find heavily tatted dancers gross but some guys like it. They often think of these girls as "bad girls" and it helps their fantasy. However, I suspect these guys are a minority. Most of the clubs I worked at either allowed a few tats or required girls to cover them up. Since I don't have any this never applied to me.
princessjas
02-11-2011, 02:41 PM
^^In my experience, any time a club stuck with the traditional stripper/glamazon look, tons of guys came in and therefore I BANKED...When they stray from that, with even a few dancers, word gets around and guys stop coming in. I could still make okay money because I was the best looking thing there at times, but I wasn't making 4 figure weekends any longer, because we went from 500 guys a night to more like 50-60. So yeah, I pretty much despise plain jane strippers, imho they killed the industry.
firemaiden04
02-11-2011, 03:18 PM
It's possible for a club to have a few attractive "overweight" girls and it not hurt everyone's money. I find that when they start hiring a ton of the stick-skinny drugged-up skanky ghetto chicks with busted faces and nasty teeth who can't hold a conversation, it hurts my money a lot more than a few overweight girls.
Jay12
02-11-2011, 04:13 PM
When I tell people I weight 167 pounds, nobody believes me. I look like I'm in the 130's. I have a lot of muscle, however. I can see my ribcage and my arms. I'm a 36C and I'm a size six. I also have very sexy legs and a big firm ass; they make me bank!
princessjas
02-11-2011, 05:33 PM
It's possible for a club to have a few attractive "overweight" girls and it not hurt everyone's money. I find that when they start hiring a ton of the stick-skinny drugged-up skanky ghetto chicks with busted faces and nasty teeth who can't hold a conversation, it hurts my money a lot more than a few overweight girls.
I agree here, the skinny girls with bones poking out all over are actually much worse for a club (and they always seem to be stumbling all over themselves drunk, which makes it even worse).
I'm just spoiled I guess, because I only really worked in upscale clubs, except for maybe a week here or there trying out dives to see if money was better....I figured if I was a standout looks wise that might translate into more $$, but it never did, so I always preferred to be one of a bunch of pretty equally attractive, slim, in shape dancers with the traditional "stripper" look and pretty faces. These days though, I don't think I could find a club like that.
Kellydancer
02-11-2011, 10:48 PM
^^In my experience, any time a club stuck with the traditional stripper/glamazon look, tons of guys came in and therefore I BANKED...When they stray from that, with even a few dancers, word gets around and guys stop coming in. I could still make okay money because I was the best looking thing there at times, but I wasn't making 4 figure weekends any longer, because we went from 500 guys a night to more like 50-60. So yeah, I pretty much despise plain jane strippers, imho they killed the industry.
But what some are confusing (not saying you are, just in general) are putting the heavier than size 6 girls in the plain jane category. I was often as large as a size 8 while dancing (muscular) yet I was always one of the prettiest dancers face wise. Many of the dancers with the stereotypical stripper look also had butt ugly faces.
Like I said I hated when clubs hired the fatties and the uglies with the busted teeth or matted hair but still looks varied on the dancers. That's what I mean. Maybe I see it differently but part of the reason I banked was because I didn't look like the stereotypical dancer. I never had plastic surgery or fake blonde hair or fake boobs. I had guys tell me they were happy to see me because I looked different. They liked that I was toned instead of skinny. I was not an ugly dancer at all. Even now when I go somewhere with a bunch of men they always hit on me.
tempest666
02-11-2011, 11:02 PM
I can think of 600 reasons and counting why I like my tattoos :D just got home from work still counting the }:D
CherryBomb954
02-12-2011, 03:46 AM
For the person who said OMG how can you guys be picking on this girl, she might be making tons of money or be the nicest person ever yadda yadda yadda.....
Yeah ok, she might be banking 1000+ plus nights for all I know, but I'd take less money over a gut any day. Yeah I guess there is someone out there for everyone and a small part of the demographic might be turned on with beer guts but it's a very small part, and not big enough to sway me to let myself go and gain a bunch of weight.
And yes, she might be the nicest person ever, probably is. But still, were discussing aesthetics here.....
ManyRoses
02-12-2011, 01:18 PM
It's really interesting how tattoos came up...I know that a lot of the really "upscale" clubs don't allow them, because that is not the imagecthat they are trying to project, but I always find that curtsy LOVE my tattoos and piercings - other girls always jokingly complain to me that they ask guys for a dance and they say that they are looking for "the one with the tattoo and lip ring".
I personally think that it really depends on how well the art is done, and how it fits with the rest of the look..I know quite a few girls like me who are generally very well put together but have lots of tattoos...I also know a few that only have a few tattoos, but they are badly done, and the girl in general is a bit unkempt...I definitely wouldn't put it in the same category as acne, bad hair or no teeth!! But I think it depends hugely on the area and the club, and how the girl presents herself in general..
sananeko
02-12-2011, 02:19 PM
How about we just say this.. As long she is not doing extras I will not care about the other stripper and work on making my own money.. Us picking over something that really doesn't matter to us is the only reason.. You say men will call it a fatty club if they see one girl not a stick.. Well its their loss and us to work. You can't take it go to a different club..
Corey
02-12-2011, 03:18 PM
So I searched Toronto strip clubs today on google and clicked on the "image" icon...and came up with this as one of my first results:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f40c507952.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)
and while its kinda hard to tell how much this girl weighs, I would guess easily 200 lbs.
I have danced when I was around 230 pounds. It was ok and money was alright. However I bank more often now that I am much thinner.
Right now I weigh about 145 (was not dancing regularly for a while this past year). I feel self conscious about this weight and have been going to the gym 5 days a week to try and work some of it off. I posted a few pics of myself on here a few months ago in the picture post section.
Anyhow when I saw this picture on my google search it prompted me to call the club to see if I could work there. No I am obviously not as fat as the woman in the photo...but I am bald right now! Yup I made some BAD hair mistakes and had to shave my head. I will buy a wig but would be too embarrassed to go work in a nice classy club wearing a wig because of my baldness.
So just wondering ladies, have the presence of "fat strippers" enticed or detered you to work at a certain club?
I am a baldie right now and another friend of mine told me "just get a wig and you will be fine!" but frankly I am too scared to go in to a nice classy club and risk having the wig fall off or get pulled off by a customer. I would be mortified!
This girl would make some $$ at my club. I get insulted by other co-workers (dancers) because I weigh 100 lbs. But my BMI is normal and I'm short. I have learned to see beauty in various shapes and forms. I just wish some of my bigger co-workers would stop assuming I'm unhealthy because I'm small.:(
Corey
02-12-2011, 03:28 PM
I'm 5'4 and weigh 93 lbs. I'm obviously very slender and small-boned, but it's just my metabolism. I would actually feel more comfortable working with more average weight girls than overweight girls...because when you put me next to one, I'm usually the one who ends up looking unhealthy and gross, not the overweight one. Or at least in my opinion. As sadly as it sounds, I think girls being underweight is more noticeable than overweight now days, since being thicker is more the norm...while "skinny" has turned into a more rare term that is usually pegged on celebrities and models.
Instead of debating whether SCs should hire fat girls or not, I think it's more important to see it as whether they should hire unhealthy girls or not. One person mentioned, (and this is for the most part, not considering illnesses or medication) if you are eating healthy and exercising often, there should be no reason why someone's fat should be extremely disproportionate with their body frame. Even if you have big bones or larger muscles, there's no reason why you can't still have a flat stomach with no rolls.
Girl,
I am in the same situation is you and I'm heavier than you are. Most of the girls in my club are so much bigger than I am. And their assumption of me is that I'm the one that is not healthy. Our club serves food and you wouldn't believe the amount of french fries and fried (mozzerlella or whatever) that I see consumed there by the dancers!
Jay12
02-12-2011, 10:04 PM
I agree here, the skinny girls with bones poking out all over are actually much worse for a club (and they always seem to be stumbling all over themselves drunk, which makes it even worse).
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Yet, there is a club in my are (that's a bit upscale) that they ONLY hire women who look like this. I pointed that out in another thread. If a dancer is over 5'4", wears over a size two, and/or weights more than 110, then she's disqualified by the house mom, who's in charge of the hiring.
femmefatale88
02-17-2011, 01:21 AM
You need to be more open minded.. Looking at her, she might be big but shes healthy and I find that sexy seeing a girl loving the way they are by taking care of themselves and not have to be the tv version like many girls see as sexy.
Honestly she does NOT look healthy at all. She looks like she has a typical American diet which is def not healthy. Fat is not healthier than toned muscles, and cellulite is also an indicator of poor circulation, which is also obviously not as healthy as smooth skin and proper circulation.
And to answer the OP's question, a club with a lot of fat girls has deterred me from working there in the past, because first of all it was a regulars club mostly; and my reasoning was that if regulars kept coming back tosee these type of women, why would they be attracted to skinny and toned healthy types? I would not make money there, and I didn't want to be associated with a club that had those kind of hiring standards. Sorry if I may offend anyone, just my honest opinion. .
trishaxxxo
02-17-2011, 09:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by daniella_maria
I agree that hiring standards have tanked. But I also think that what one person sees as overweight, another will see as not. However, I think everyone wil agree that a crack head with no teeth is pretty hideous. Different strokes for different folks, is all.
These Mexicans that got a CR with a recent hire that was dentally challenged looked satisfied. :O
LAUGHING MY ASS OFF thanks for making my day
bollywoodbabe
02-18-2011, 02:53 PM
:D as being a bbw myself I have to agree with most of the girls here even though I think some of you are really harsh but hey I understand. I carry my weight well with a cute face according to my cam guys but I can do better. I really need to double my income no offence to other big girls but my money is hurting and I have to be real with myself. I don't like working 9-5 jobs so I have decide to lose my weight ... I got myself a treadmill and stepper and weights and I am working out.. all I need to do is lose anther 40 pounds and I should be able to double my money on cam and get the pretty clothes etc instead of looking for a 9-5 job.:-*
As for being in a strip club it wont happen because I don't have the guts and most men don't like bbws. I know I am one and I see it all the time now since I been losing weight lots of guys are are checking me out in the streets which I hardly got for years yeap I said it:'( YEARSSSSSS..even with the make up and nice hair and clothes. I have a bf we getting married I still want to feel and look good and it is a struggle. I don't think girls should tear up each other in this business we all here for the same reason but let be honest most men men goes to strip clubs to see their fantasy women who are skinny or curvy NOT FAT let be honest..
I think this thread made me get of my lazy ass to lose my 40 pounds in the next 3 months and eat better and tone up and lose it and so I can get out of that bbw cam section again no offence it money and money talks. I made a promised to my self I want a hot sexy summer and some sexy wear. I see other cam girls non bbw go private one after the other and I am having a hard time most times even though I try everything in the book to make that money and it NOT working the way I want even though it money it not the amount I want NO MORE ..so ladies let try to be nice here and I understand how it goes and I need to do this for me and make my money and give myself a new start. good luck to all.
BringOnTheMen
02-18-2011, 03:04 PM
^^^You'll be surprised how easily the weight will start melting off once you get rid of that first 5 lbs.