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tempest666
05-19-2011, 06:35 AM
^^^^^^ She might be able to squeak by in a 3rd tier club (not that I condone them dancing) but if they can be contained to 3rd tier clubs it might ease the problem of customers being run off.
Elusive21
05-19-2011, 09:35 AM
I'm sorry just becuz south park lowered the average penis size to make guys with small dicks feel bigger doesn't mean strip clubs should lower it's standards to make fat girls feel like stripper material.
Truth is a guy with a lil dick should not be doing porn--unless it's like midget porn or something where having a monster cock is not ideal the same way a woman with a big fat belly does not belong on a pole in a sc.
i agree with you on that. i never said that strip clubs should lower their standards when it comes to overweight dancers. i was watching that episode and just thought of this thread.
also, sometimes *and this might be shocking!* guys like a dancer that's not a size 4. that's ok too.
luxi_kitty
05-19-2011, 09:58 AM
Ive never worked at a club that would hire this girl. 90% of men wouldnt wanna see this naked ime. I was a bigger girl and Im a helluva lot thinner than that.
She may look okay in clothes but is just gonna run off some $$ in a SC. Sure she may sell some dances, but she will run off far more $$ than she brings in. girls with tight assed bodies and big butts/tits bring in $$, flab doesnt.
she would bank at the hip hop clubs!! ha;)
Addison
05-19-2011, 10:08 AM
she would bank at the hip hop clubs!! ha;)
You're right about that. She'd probably bring in 2x the money I could make in a BLACK club. I was in the club with my bro one night, and he was like, "THERE'S the girl I wouldn't even LET dance for me! She came over to me and I gave her the $2 dismissal - Ugh!!" And I looked over and there was this skinny little thing wandering around aimlessly like a homeless puppy. SMH That'd be me lol
MISS.NY
05-19-2011, 10:17 AM
lmaoooooooooooo. at the standards. different strokes for different folks. seriusly. at "hiphop" clubs they want some jiggle. who wants t feel on a hard ass. at the end of the day managers make the choice some choose "fat" lool some choose thin. as long as they don't choose butt ugly i'm happy. matter fact they can do that to. i'll walk around looking the best hehee
princessjas
05-19-2011, 11:19 AM
she would bank at the hip hop clubs!! ha;)
Not the hip hop clubs I worked at! ;)
luxi_kitty
05-19-2011, 12:13 PM
Not the hip hop clubs I worked at! ;)
ooo really? :-\
which club is that?
...must not play REAL hip-hop
tempest666
05-19-2011, 01:00 PM
You're right about that. She'd probably bring in 2x the money I could make in a BLACK club. I was in the club with my bro one night, and he was like, "THERE'S the girl I wouldn't even LET dance for me! She came over to me and I gave her the $2 dismissal - Ugh!!" And I looked over and there was this skinny little thing wandering around aimlessly like a homeless puppy. SMH That'd be me lol
Come to the goth clubs! Black is a little teenygoth's favorite color! }:D Just be leery cuz we will all molest you and wanna kidnap you!!!!!
She would bank at some of the hip hop sc here -- cuz here some places down south fl if a girl has tits & ass at a hip hop club they don't even care if she has a neck my waist size. Seriously the mentality of those big plus size girls in those clubs is not save for lipo or trim down-- it's save for the boobs/ass 2 put on top of the lavers of fat cuz they can't get large enough.
princessjas
05-19-2011, 01:33 PM
ooo really? :-\
which club is that?
...must not play REAL hip-hop
Real, semi-ghetto North Jersey hip hop club about 10 yrs ago. No fatties up there. Of course, there were hiring standards back then. I got asked to lose 10 lbs at one 2nd tier club when I weighed about 98lbs. ;) North Jersey used to like em rail thin. There used to be quite a few threads on here about it, actually.
luxi_kitty
05-19-2011, 02:13 PM
She would bank at some of the hip hop sc here -- cuz here some places down south fl if a girl has tits & ass at a hip hop club they don't even care if she has a neck my waist size. Seriously the mentality of those big plus size girls in those clubs is not save for lipo or trim down-- it's save for the boobs/ass 2 put on top of the lavers of fat cuz they can't get large enough.
hahaha soo funny bc that sounds like something i would do..
i want a BIG FAT ass and nice decent breast lift im already 36DD
Real, semi-ghetto North Jersey hip hop club about 10 yrs ago. No fatties up there. Of course, there were hiring standards back then. I got asked to lose 10 lbs at one 2nd tier club when I weighed about 98lbs. ;) North Jersey used to like em rail thin. There used to be quite a few threads on here about it, actually.
wow! thats preposterous
and i think times have changed soo much when it comes to standards..idk the hip hop clubs i go to, dancers are covered in cellulite, stretch marks, and pudge around the midriff..and those arent ghetto clubs..but then again I AM in atlanta!:P
DesuvsDeath
05-19-2011, 02:35 PM
ooo really? :-\
which club is that?
...must not play REAL hip-hop
"hip hop" clubs in cities/states that like thinner women... still hire SUPER thin girls. A few of my friends work in a hip-hop club back home (in an area where thinner is typically considered better), make BANK, and the two of them are, like, almost Olsen Twin skinny.
luxi_kitty
05-19-2011, 02:43 PM
"hip hop" clubs in cities/states that like thinner women... still hire SUPER thin girls. A few of my friends work in a hip-hop club back home (in an area where thinner is typically considered better), make BANK, and the two of them are, like, almost Olsen Twin skinny.
oo wow! eeek
like i said regions have diff standards in what they look for in their dancers..only going by what i ve seen in Atlanta hip hop clubs.. :detective
princessjas
05-19-2011, 02:48 PM
oo wow! eeek
like i said regions have diff standards in what they look for in their dancers..only going by what i ve seen in Atlanta hip hop clubs.. :detective
To work in upscale hip hop clubs in areas that like em thin, you need visible ribs, front and back and tits and ass, muscular not flabby legs. In mid tier you need visible ribs in the front only and no flab wit tits and ass, ime.
tempest666
05-19-2011, 03:12 PM
She would bank at some of the hip hop sc here -- cuz here some places down south fl if a girl has tits & ass at a hip hop club they don't even care if she has a neck my waist size. Seriously the mentality of those big plus size girls in those clubs is not save for lipo or trim down-- it's save for the boobs/ass 2 put on top of the lavers of fat cuz they can't get large enough.
I'm eating a salad with low cal ranch dressing:O
princessjas
05-19-2011, 03:19 PM
I'm eating a salad with low cal ranch dressing:O
I ate 1/3 of and orange and 2 strawberries for din-din. lol This thread scares me!
DesuvsDeath
05-19-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm eating a salad with low cal ranch dressing:O
Make sure you read the label... some of that low cal shit is just as bad as the regular.
Sounds like alot of us are going to have to start eating a lot more to keep up with the standards of the next generation of strippers. LOL
I however luv me some big macs, junk food, & candy , but I'm very luck my body burns it all off & if it didn't I'd be at the gym 24/7
KS_Stevia
05-19-2011, 04:33 PM
To work in upscale hip hop clubs in areas that like em thin, you need visible ribs, front and back and tits and ass, muscular not flabby legs. In mid tier you need visible ribs in the front only and no flab wit tits and ass, ime.
Visible ribs? You must have some really skewed body perceptions. I've worked in a few of the top tier clubs in the world, clubs that girls die to work in...and I'm pretty sure my ribs have never been visible. I was never fat or chubby working in these places. But for real, I think you are being too hard on yourself.
That girl could get a job stripping in some of our lower end east side clubs. If she worked hard and hustled hard, she could bring home a good living for her family.
I agree that fat dancers are no bueno, but the girl in the pick has a very feminine look and will make some tiny blue collar vato very happy to spend his entire day labor paycheck on her.
princessjas
05-19-2011, 06:45 PM
^^Ya know from years past Ive severe body image issues. Never denied that one. Still dont think 150+ dancers belon in te club.
BringOnTheMen
05-19-2011, 06:54 PM
My ribs are very visible in the front (both below the boobs and the chest plate) and I am not skinny-I am 5'4" 130, which is average for normal people, only 5-10 lbs less than being considered medically overweight. Obviously your body type may not have ribs showing because of whatever fat/muscle proportion you have, but believe me, most girls will have a little bit of rib definition when they are taut.
Kellydancer
05-19-2011, 08:33 PM
I think if a girl is so skinny where you can count her ribs then she's just too skinny for clubs, just like fat girls are too fat. I know a lot of men and rarely do I find guys who like them either very skinny or fat. While there are exceptions, most guys I know tend to like girls with good figures which tends to be toned not skinny or flabby. However this varies by ethniticies. For instance white younger guys tend to prefer skinnier white blonde girls while black guys tend to like heavier (sometimes too heavy) girls.
xoAnnaBanana
05-19-2011, 08:49 PM
IMO I think if fat girls are comfortable dancing, then they're welcome to dance. However, if I were significantly overweight (and didn't carry the extra weight well) then I wouldn't feel confident enough to dance and take my clothes off for a living-- especially in comparison to the hot bodies surrounding me at the club.
The main reason I feel like I'm hot inside the club is because of my toned body. Without it, I would feel quite self conscious. I do feel like if you are a stripper then part of your unwritten job description is to look hot. And personally I equate hot with being thin/toned/healthy looking and upkeeping your appearance to maximize your earnings. :shrug: So there's no real excuse why ladies can't be thin/toned/healthy looking, it's just a matter of discipline.
And this also reminds me of the whole plus size model arguments I hear/see often in the media... As far as models are concerned, I agree that plus size models should be featured more in magazines, commercials, etc. because they represent the majority of real women out there and real women are the ones buying these products being advertised. However, in the strip club-- it's a fantasy world, not the real world. So expectations should be higher in there where standards for women are concerned. Guys don't come to the club for real women. The majority of men come to the club for the unattainable hottie (usually with a tight body to match).
Just my 2 cents.
tempest666
05-19-2011, 10:05 PM
I <3 visible ribs :D
mediocrity
05-19-2011, 10:24 PM
I think if a girl is so skinny where you can count her ribs then she's just too skinny for clubs, just like fat girls are too fat. I know a lot of men and rarely do I find guys who like them either very skinny or fat. While there are exceptions, most guys I know tend to like girls with good figures which tends to be toned not skinny or flabby. However this varies by ethniticies. For instance white younger guys tend to prefer skinnier white blonde girls while black guys tend to like heavier (sometimes too heavy) girls.
I've always been able to see/count my ribs, except when I was fat from drinking almost a year and a half ago. I'm 5'8" and 130. That's a totally reasonable weight. I do prefer to be on the thin side, at 120 or but that's how much I was most of the time i was dancing. Being of medium frame, I looked just fine
I never had any issue making money.
DesuvsDeath
05-19-2011, 10:33 PM
I think if a girl is so skinny where you can count her ribs then she's just too skinny for clubs
My body type is such that I could pork up to the point where I looked pregnant and my ass and thighs were pure jiggle and cellulite and you'd still be able to count my ribs.
That is a poor tool to measure whether or not someone is too thin.
Just saying.
blondhottie
05-19-2011, 10:57 PM
I danced when I had a body like the girl in that pic and I was a top earner. I didn't have to work any harder than the thinner girls either. I couldn't get hired at top notch clubs looking like that, but I didn't work in all shitholes either. Girls with ugly faces, flat chested girls, and girls with bad acne all got way more rude comments than fat girls.
I don't think it's right to say girls with bodies like that don't belong in clubs. You can hide a lot of flaws by wearing flattering costumes. I had a pudgy tummy but great tits and would wear outfits that showed off my tits and hid my fat stomach. The girl in that pic is still hotter than what many custies have at home LOL. I've seen way worse. The girl in that pic is chubby, but not obese. A pretty face goes a long way too, and a lot of guys will choose a dancer with a hot face and a so-so body over a dancer with a banging body and a plain or ugly face.
Kellydancer
05-19-2011, 11:03 PM
I've always been able to see/count my ribs, except when I was fat from drinking almost a year and a half ago. I'm 5'8" and 130. That's a totally reasonable weight. I do prefer to be on the thin side, at 120 or but that's how much I was most of the time i was dancing. Being of medium frame, I looked just fine
I never had any issue making money.
I'm sure for you it looks good but I'm talking those girls who just look sickly being super skinny. I mean I once danced with a girl who was so skinny you could see all her bones and even inner organs. I don't think 5'8 and 120 pounds is that thin, I'm talking the girls who are say 5'8 and 80 pounds (I danced with one).
I'm not defending the fatties either and I know when I was dancing my ribs were noticeable but not where I looked sickly.
This is what I mean: . Girls who look like this don't belong in clubs anymore than fat girls do.
KS_Stevia
05-19-2011, 11:12 PM
^^Ya know from years past Ive severe body image issues. Never denied that one. Still dont think 150+ dancers belon in te club.
agreed. No hard feelings, I think I'm sensitive about it too.
Fuckin industry :-\
Kellydancer
05-19-2011, 11:16 PM
agreed. No hard feelings, I think I'm sensitive about it too.
Fuckin industry :-\
I'm very sensitive too about it. While it did a lot of good things for me, the body issues sometimes could be terrible. I was often the fattest one at a size 6 and it sometimes played with my mind. I would see clubs hire size 0's with butter faces while rejecting me for being size 6. That's why I get so angry at times when I see someone calling someone fat when in real life they wouldn't be. I'm certainly not talking those who are fat or overweight those who in real life are quite thin.
tempest666
05-19-2011, 11:27 PM
Ok, I don't mind a few visible ribs, just not to where you can play the fucking xylophone! :O That is every bit as scary as the damn video! Hell get the one from the last pic and feed her to the one from the above post! That solves that!
Kellydancer
05-19-2011, 11:38 PM
Yes but the very skinny girl has no meat so the fattie wouldn't want her. I actually did dance with a few who were that thin and that is almost as scary as the fatties.
tempest666
05-20-2011, 12:32 AM
No reverse the scenario!
bustybabe312
05-20-2011, 02:36 AM
I haven't bothered to read any posts other than the posters but..
I prefer to work in a club that has diversity. From my experience, and yall can clearly see that I'm strapped 36D 34 47 and the white men in the clubs loooove me! Many of them have complained that they are tired of the stick thin, no ass having, hard as tennis ball titty sitting girls in the clubs they frequent.
Truth be told, men do like ass and hips and thighs...especially when it's well proportioned.
I've worked at clubs where some girls were like the original girl pictured in the post and those girls made damn good money, in fact, more than the skinny minnie's who'd walk around and think that their shit didn't stink.
To the average 98lb chick, I'd be an amazon but I'm proud that my ribcage isn't on display. When a guy touches me, he won't get pricked but he'll enjoy the squeeze of ultra charmin. lololol
bustybabe312
05-20-2011, 02:41 AM
Oh yea....and on my avatar, i weighed 173lbs.......*drops the mic and sashays off the stage*
tempest666
05-20-2011, 02:42 AM
off to the gym :D I want my ribcage showing :D
tempest666
05-20-2011, 02:50 AM
I ate 1/3 of and orange and 2 strawberries for din-din. lol This thread scares me!
agreed..we may not see eye to eye on tats but on this I think we're both in agreement....I went grocery shopping at wegman's yesterday, stocked up on plenty of fresh fruits and veggies....
luxi_kitty
05-20-2011, 05:37 AM
I haven't bothered to read any posts other than the posters but..
I prefer to work in a club that has diversity. From my experience, and yall can clearly see that I'm strapped 36D 34 47 and the white men in the clubs loooove me! Many of them have complained that they are tired of the stick thin, no ass having, hard as tennis ball titty sitting girls in the clubs they frequent.
Truth be told, men do like ass and hips and thighs...especially when it's well proportioned.
I've worked at clubs where some girls were like the original girl pictured in the post and those girls made damn good money, in fact, more than the skinny minnie's who'd walk around and think that their shit didn't stink.
To the average 98lb chick, I'd be an amazon but I'm proud that my ribcage isn't on display. When a guy touches me, he won't get pricked but he'll enjoy the squeeze of ultra charmin. lololol
ahhh! those are MY measurements!! :lovestruc
haha
good to know someone like me doing the damn thing and banking!;)
Why is it that whenever you address the problem of obesity it's turns around to bashing thin people. I don't think unhealthy skeleton thin women need to be strippers either, but let's get real they are probably what 20-30 away from a decent stripping weight verses 50-100 or more over it. Which is worst IDK, but neither should be idealized on the stage as the image of sexual fantasy at it's best.
Kellydancer
05-20-2011, 11:52 AM
Why is it that whenever you address the problem of obesity it's turns around to bashing thin people. I don't think unhealthy skeleton thin women need to be strippers either, but let's get real they are probably what 20-30 away from a decent stripping weight verses 50-100 or more over it. Which is worst IDK, but neither should be idealized on the stage as the image of sexual fantasy at it's best.
I'm not bashing very thin people like I am large women but the reality is neither belongs at clubs, but many think the very thin belongs but not the slightly heavy. Some clubs do glorify the very thin dancers but if *gasp* a girl is a size 6 she's a fattie. I am one of those people though who hates who "curvy" means fat because it's not the same.
For me personally I've always maintained a healthy weight. I am very athletic and while my weight might be bigger than some, my body fat is lower than most.
ETA: I am talking the girls like the one I posted, not thin in general. There were times during dancing where people considered me thin but I wasn't like that girl.
DesuvsDeath
05-20-2011, 12:48 PM
Truth be told, men do like ass and hips and thighs...especially when it's well proportioned.
Truth be told, not all men like hips and thighs.
There's this amazing new concept where different men like different things... and saying "men like this" or "men like that" is basically worthless.
A man at a club full of thick/fat girls OBVIOUSLY is there for that and won't like a thin girl. A thin girl probably shouldn't work there because the typical customer is unlikely to find her appealing.
Just like a fat girl shouldn't work at a high end club that's likely full of stick thin girls... because men probably won't find HER body attractive, as anyone frequenting a club full of size zeros likely isn't INTO big hips and thighs.
BringOnTheMen
05-20-2011, 12:49 PM
Why is it that whenever you address the problem of obesity it's turns around to bashing thin people. I don't think unhealthy skeleton thin women need to be strippers either, but let's get real they are probably what 20-30 away from a decent stripping weight verses 50-100 or more over it. Which is worst IDK, but neither should be idealized on the stage as the image of sexual fantasy at it's best.
Thank you!! It's so annoying when people respond to comments like "strippers should have no flab" to "OMG YA KNOW SOME MEN THINK THE OLSEN TWINS ARE TOO SKINNY!!!!" no shit. No one is advocating for an emaciated look. Thin without flab does not mean you have to be 80 lbs. Sheesh.
DesuvsDeath
05-20-2011, 12:58 PM
^I just hate all the broad statements like "men LIKE big women!" Well, yeah, some men do... and some men also like having mouse traps snapped on their dick... that doesn't mean it's going to make money outside a specialty club.
Kellydancer
05-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Truth be told, not all men like hips and thighs.
There's this amazing new concept where different men like different things... and saying "men like this" or "men like that" is basically worthless.
A man at a club full of thick/fat girls OBVIOUSLY is there for that and won't like a thin girl. A thin girl probably shouldn't work there because the typical customer is unlikely to find her appealing.
Just like a fat girl shouldn't work at a high end club that's likely full of stick thin girls... because men probably won't find HER body attractive, as anyone frequenting a club full of size zeros likely isn't INTO big hips and thighs.
I agree that men like certain things, but the problem I've seen (and had male friends complain to me) is how often certain clubs only had specific looks. For instance one of the clubs for awhile had a rule that you had to fit into a certain outfit or you were fat (I think the size was 2). This club also tended to only hire blondes. Incidentally I was rejected more for being a brunette than being above a size 2. I avoided clubs that wouldn't hire me. I also avoided the plus size club that only hired large women because they wouldn't have hired me either. I don't get why clubs don't often have a more diverse dancers since men like all types but at the same time I understand not hiring fat women. In general I've noticed white men want thinner women than black men.
I think of this whole idea that men only like a certain look and laugh because I've known guys who were attracted to women across the spectrum. I am athletic and guys who like overweight or very thin won't be attracted to me. I have very tiny hips and have never had a guy say "wow your hips are too small. I also have very muscular arms and legs and really haven't had guys say "I wish you had thunder thighs". When I hear a woman say "all men like fat women" I turn it around and say that's like saying all women like fat guys. The reality is most people don't like overweight people. I am not attracted to men who are fat.
Elusive21
05-20-2011, 01:25 PM
Oh yea....and on my avatar, i weighed 173lbs.......*drops the mic and sashays off the stage*
holy shit! :eye-poppi
you look DAMN good in that avatar!
DesuvsDeath
05-20-2011, 01:34 PM
I don't get why clubs don't often have a more diverse dancers since men like all types
You can look at it one of two ways.
You can say "I'm opening a book store, I'm going to have a small selection of each type of book I can think of so that I'm more likely to have what people might want"
OR
You can say "I'm opening a cookbook store. I believe there is enough of a market for cookbooks for me to do well, and anytime someone is looking for a cookbook, they're going to come here because they KNOW I'll have what they want instead of wasting their time at a normal bookstore HOPING it'll have what they want."
It's been my personal experience that when you fit into the largest "category" of looks at you're club, it's much easier to make money because your club is often known for that and that's what men come there for.
For example... when a club hires mostly alternative girls/tattooed girls... it's much easier for me to make money than at a club that hires only very young, vanilla looking girls. Clubs get reputations for having certain types of dances/dancers... and that's often what a customer comes looking for.
Oh yea....and on my avatar, i weighed 173lbs.......*drops the mic and sashays off the stage*
I don't mean to sound like a bitch, but so what?
In your avatar you look 173 pounds. So I'm not sure what the point of your mentioning it was?
Was it supposed to be paired with the above statement that men in the clubs you worked at liked your body... because, yeah, you mentioned you worked with a lot of bigger girls... so of course they would.
tampadancer
05-20-2011, 01:49 PM
^i just hate all the broad statements like "men like big women!" well, yeah, some men do... and some men also like having mouse traps snapped on their dick... That doesn't mean it's going to make money outside a specialty club.
hahhahaaa ;d
BringOnTheMen
05-20-2011, 01:52 PM
Let me sum up this thread:
"fat girls do not belong in certain clubs, primarily upscale clubs in big cities, because most men who frequent those clubs do not like them and will post reviews saying that the girls at a different club are hotter, which will drive traffic over to another club, hurting everyone's money."
"Omg in hip hop clubs I banked and I don't look like Nicole ritchie."
Nobodys saying that there are absolutely no clubs where bigger girls belong. Dive bars and hip hop clubs welcome bigger girls. But even then, there is a line between "bigger" and "obese" and once you cross the line (wherever it may be, depending on the club) you will drive away more custies than you bring in.
tempest666
05-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Worse than obese IMOis what the modeling industry terms "No man's land" for sizes. Kelly and I seem to fit into this purgatory. Anything in the 5-7-9 or 6-8ish range. You're too thick for the barely legal spinner look and too skinny for the euphemistically termed "BBW" crowd. -_-
Kellydancer
05-20-2011, 02:59 PM
You can look at it one of two ways.
You can say "I'm opening a book store, I'm going to have a small selection of each type of book I can think of so that I'm more likely to have what people might want"
OR
You can say "I'm opening a cookbook store. I believe there is enough of a market for cookbooks for me to do well, and anytime someone is looking for a cookbook, they're going to come here because they KNOW I'll have what they want instead of wasting their time at a normal bookstore HOPING it'll have what they want."
It's been my personal experience that when you fit into the largest "category" of looks at you're club, it's much easier to make money because your club is often known for that and that's what men come there for.
For example... when a club hires mostly alternative girls/tattooed girls... it's much easier for me to make money than at a club that hires only very young, vanilla looking girls. Clubs get reputations for having certain types of dances/dancers... and that's often what a customer comes looking for.
I get that (one club I worked at had all girls who looked the same) but I guess I don't get it on a larger (no pun intended scale). For instance I ran an agency and I had a variety, including one fat girl who was drop dead gorgeous outside of her weight. If I had just say tall thin blondes I don't think I would have gotten many customers I did. I did draw the line at certain types (I generally avoided anyone who would bring in ghetto clients of any race). Now when I danced at clubs I often made money because I looked different than the other girls, for instance at one club I was one of the few brunettes (the owner would hire anyone blonde but other hair colors had to be smoking hot). A girl I worked with was the only alternative girl with sleeves of tats and she made a killing with that look.